Thompson trailing in WI Senate race by three

posted at 12:41 pm on September 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Remember that big GOTV infrastructure left over from Scott Walker’s resounding victory in the recall election, just three months ago?  The infrastructure that was supposed to grease the skids for a Republican victory in Wisconsin for both Mitt Romney and Tommy Thompson, the latter in the Senate race that replaces retiring Democrat Herb Kohl?  Today’s Rasmussen poll suggests that it might be more difficult for Republicans to win the Badger State than previously thought:

Democratic Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin now has a slight lead over former Republican Governor Tommy Thompson in Wisconsin’s volatile U.S. Senate race.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Wisconsin Voters finds Baldwin with 49% support to Thompson’s 46%. Two percent (2%) like some other candidate in the race, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

The Wisconsin race now shifts from Safe Republican to a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Senate Balance of Power rankings.

Thompson enjoyed a bounce after winning his primary last month. Now the race has returned to where it was in July when Baldwin posted leads over all her potential Republican opponents including Thompson. This marks Baldwin’s highest level of support to date.

President Obama also has regained the lead in Wisconsin after Mitt Romney had edged ahead in the state last month. Wisconsin remains a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Electoral College Projections.

How is Baldwin managing to pull out in front?  She has a seven-point lead among independents, 46/39, and a +5 in the overall gender gap.  In the age demos, most of her lead comes from a ten-point gap in the under-40 vote, 50/40, while Thompson only leads among seniors by six, 51/45.

Of course, this is still a margin-of-error race, and the two candidates are evenly matched in favorability as well.  Thomspon gets a 49/46 personal rating, while Baldwin has a slightly wider 49/44 favorability.  Baldwin’s numbers show a greater polarization, though, with 32/31 on very favorable/very unfavorable, while Thompson has a 22/28 rating — indicating his support is significantly less passionate, while his opposition is somewhat more so.

In even more bad news, the polling sample slightly overstates Republican turnout.  The recall election had a D/R/I in the exit polls of 34/35/31, with Walker’s big GOTV apparatus in place.  Rasmussen’s sample is 36/39/25, which is slightly more Republican and less independent.  That seems rather optimistic in a regularly-scheduled general election; the 2010 midterm exit polls in Wisconsin had a D/R/I of 37/36/28.  The difference is small, and it’s not indefensible — we may see a big surge in Republican voters — but it still should favor Thompson, and he’s still trailing.


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I smell troll…

spiritof61 on September 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Trolls have an affinity for polls!

thatsafactjack on September 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Thompson thought he wouldnt have to work for his gig.

rickyricardo on September 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM

The Obama for America kidz are back trolling for another day on HotAir.

Welcome trust funders.

rickyricardo on September 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Just another faux poll.

stukinIL4now on September 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Mitt’s coattails stink. Why would I volunteer or donate if he sits on his monstrous pile of PAC money and refuses to put it to productive use? He could as well be preserving it for his retirement fund.

Archivarix on September 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Rasmussen’s sample is 36/39/25, which is slightly more Republican and less independent.

I’m pretty sure this means you should stop with the embarrassing scape-goating of methodology and party break down, but I am very sure you won’t.

No science for the stupid party.

TGIF am I right?!?!?!?!

tommyhawk on September 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Get rid of the other guy is not an appealing way to keep motivation.

You really should be offering voters something of subtance.

I say a cap and balance amendment.

Right now all they are offering is feelings and policy free ideas.

We should not be spending our children’s money. Vote for Romney.

What? I agree we should not spending our children’s money, but where is the policy that accomplishes this? Its not there? Who are we, Deomcrats who fall for hope and change?

Put some meat in the pot Romney.

astonerii on September 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Thompson is an old, boring, unenthusiastic, big government Republican. He has been in public office since the 1950s. Literally. No one is fired up about him here in Wisconsin like we were for Walker. No one. Strong conservatives here wanted Hovde or Neumann or Fitzgerald, but, of course, we couldn’t all agree on one. No surprises here.

LevinFan90 on September 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

the success of Walker’s reforms is probably hurting both Thompson and Romney. The economy in Wisconsin is looking better, freeing its denizens to return to their liberal predilections, unmindful of the GOP policies that made that possible.

Curmudgeon on September 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Maybe Wisconsin Republicans should nominate someone who doesn’t turn off so many voters. I remember this guy from the ’90s, there’s not a younger Republican that they could have nominated?

rndmusrnm on September 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM


In even more bad news, the polling sample slightly overstates Republican turnout.

Stupid lying pollsters always over-sampling Democrats! … oh, wait, you wrote “Republican turnout.”

How can this be with the electoral juggernaut of Willard Mitt Romney at the top of the GOP ticket!? Wasn’t he supposed to put MI and PA in play and be the darling of independents everywhere because his personal story is so consistent with the personal experience of most Americans?–well, no, it isn’t, but he did save the Olympics and a pizza delivery service. That has to count for something. It just has to! The RomneyCare thing is a problem, but only for those of us for whom a candidate’s actual-concrete record of governance means something, which is why we oppose Obama–right?–only if we oppose Obama for his record of governance … Damn these contradictions! Just as Ann Romney said when she scolded her own base of voters in her most shrewish voice, if you think you can do better, you step into the ring! We’re lucky lucky lucky to have Mitt drag us down into the ignominy of a complete electoral blow-out, she said as she clucked and tutted at us. Lucky. Lucky. Lucky. Are you feeling all that luck in Wisconsin? Well, are you?

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Margin of error polls. didn’t you learn anything from the primaries.

when all the polls are outside margin of error(including Rassmussen)

they are generally correct.

when most of them are within margin of error the leader many times does not win.

we saw this over and over in the primaries.

gerrym51 on September 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Tommy will win WI.

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Don’t be so fast to assume Rasmussen is providing a fair sample.

There is recent clear and compelling evidence that Rasmussen is assuming a 2008 electorate like everyone else.

Rasmussen was recently on FoxNews saying, “Mitt Romney is a terrible candidate…” Does that sound unbiased to you?

mitchellvii on September 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Wouldn’t it be funny if Gov. Thompson and Gov. Romney weren’t conservative enough?

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Where’s Gumby?

milcus on September 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Holy carp… time to get wee-we’d up Tommy Thomson is in a statistical tie…

Gallup Poll: U.S. distrust in media hits new high, quick, someone call Captain Renualt.

SWalker on September 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Wait, they’re changing this to tossup on the results of one poll? Or am I missing something here?

Red Cloud on September 21, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Just another faux poll.

stukinIL4now on September 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

.
Right on.

We didn’t have any hand in conducting the poll. I don’t know how the questions were worded and presented.

Rasmussen commands no more respect from me than any other.
.
Conclusion: IRRELEVANT.

listens2glenn on September 21, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Thompson is blaming Romney.

Thompson hopes Romney’s sagging numbers don’t bring him down as well.

“The Presidential thing is bound to have an impact on every election. Whether you’re a Democrat or Republican. If you’re a standard-bearer for the Presidency is not doing well, its gonna reflect on the down ballot,” said Thompson.

http://www.wkow.com/story/19585691/baldwin-leads-in-latest-marquette-poll#.UFpx4XGWFo8.facebook

He needs to do better than blame Romney, he is obviously running a boring campaign. All politics is local, forget about the national election and talk about the issues that affect Wisconsinites.

celticdefender on September 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Oh Geez, Tommy. It’s not that hard. Win WI the way Brown won MA. Tell the voters you will vote to repeal ObamaCare.

parteagirl on September 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Thompson has not run a good campaign. He can win…but he better get his act together.

neoavatara on September 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Wonderful. The topper to a crappy week altogether.

At least Romney has a 21 point lead in GA, so there’s that.

changer1701 on September 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Wait, they’re changing this to tossup on the results of one poll? Or am I missing something here?

rassmussen does his map based on HIS polls.

gerrym51 on September 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Good or bad polls, I’m amazed that he thought he could win in this left wing, liberal state.

rplat on September 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

The senators in the 12 key races need to band together. They need to tell the voters in their states that they need to win for the Senate Majority TEAM. Without a majority, ObamaCare gets enacted and entrenched. Make the voters see that their vote is bigger than their own state.

parteagirl on September 21, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Wouldn’t it be funny if Gov. Thompson and Gov. Romney weren’t conservative enough?

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Funny haha or funny irony? Funny is not how I would describe that. : (

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:10 PM

These jokers are so damned lazy that if challenged even slightly, they just give up.

rplat on September 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

At least Romney has a 21 point lead in GA, so there’s that.

changer1701 on September 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

I will guarantee you 0 won’t take Ga. Lol!

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Tammy’s ads are non-stop, and every one of them is a negative hammer to Thompson’s head. In turn, he’s running about one to each of her six or seven. And his too are all negatives attacks. It’s awful. And he he’s attacking the wrong issues; he hasn’t touched her unwavering support for cap and trade, and anti-coal stance… as we head into a Wisconsin winter.

Hovde, a Romney clone, would’ve been so much better. He had the Tea Party message down pat, and knew he had to stay on target. Thompson can’t separate himself from the Bush-era anti-conservative Republicanism, and therefore can’t paint enough of a contrast with Baldwin-even though she is a hard-left nanny-stater.

It’s a pity; Baldwin needs to be kept put of the Senate at all costs.

M240H on September 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Wouldn’t it be funny if Gov. Thompson and Gov. Romney weren’t conservative enough?

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Funny like a Root canal.

=)

portlandon on September 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

The trouble is that it isn’t just the “47%” but a burgeoning number of government leeches who have a vested interest in perpetuating socialism.Another way of saying that the more Obama screws up the larger his voting base becomes. A lose-lose scenario for us-both nationally and in states with huge public unions such as Wisconsin.

MaiDee on September 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

There is no enthusiasm for Thompson up here. In the endorsement voting at the state convention he just missed getting voted out in the first round and got slaughtered in the second round well behind both Neumann and Fitzgerald. He is a big spending big government relic who should be in retirement. I suspect that he won the primary largely on Democrat votes.

DMartin on September 21, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Thompson is a RINO that compromised with every liberal idea he ever met.

He is obviously too old to win any votes based on his 1990s strategy that he cannot see is a delusion.

The GOP in Wisconsin has thrown this seat away because of a familiar face.

jimw on September 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Mitt’s coattails stink. Why would I volunteer or donate if he sits on his monstrous pile of PAC money and refuses to put it to productive use? He could as well be preserving it for his retirement fund.

Archivarix on September 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I’m assuming you misspoke considering the Romney campaign can’t control PAC money.

Donald Draper on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

TrueCons are out in force today..

wargamer6 on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

And you have the turd Reince at the GOP tweeting how much cash on hand he has. LOL!

Meanwhile Dems have spent like, well, Dems. But guess what? They are leading in most every Senate race.

What good does it do to hold all your cash while you get carpet bombed? Romney is running same strategy. He is bragging about how much money he has, while he is losing in every poll.

#HeadShake

kevinkristy on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Thompson is an old, boring, unenthusiastic, big government Republican. He has been in public office since the 1950s. Literally. No one is fired up about him here in Wisconsin like we were for Walker. No one. Strong conservatives here wanted Hovde or Neumann or Fitzgerald, but, of course, we couldn’t all agree on one. No surprises here.

LevinFan90 on September 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Exactly. And to top it off he’s a whiner…he blamed Romney for his slipping poll numbers. But ya gotta love Sununu…

Sununu, the former governor of New Hampshire and Romney campaign surrogate, said Thompson “sounds like Barack Obama trying to blame it on somebody else.”

“Campaigns go up, campaigns go down. I’m sure Tommy will be fine in the long run,” said Sununu, appearing on CNN’s “Erin Burnett OutFront.”

Smack.

Deanna on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM


Thompson is blaming Romney.

And you would blame what, the weather? Solar flares? Crop circles? Gray aliens? The secret science of the Golden Pharaoh-oh-oh-ohs? I blame Romney too for dragging down the fortunes of the GOP against the weakest incumbent U.S. president of our generation. And you will too come November.

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

wargamer6 on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Don’t you just hate that?

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I was going for ironic. It’s hard for me to imagine people voting against the progressive they have made and the party that is the author of it.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Someday Conservatives may get tired of losing to Establishment Republicans and learn to get behind one candidate instead of falling for divide and conquer time after time. Someday.

SurferDoc on September 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM


Exactly. And to top it off he’s a whiner…he blamed Romney for his slipping poll numbers. But ya gotta love Sununu…

What you gotta love is that Team Romney is now attacking other Republican candidates in close races, and that Team Romney has turned the GOP against itself, because that’s what we need right now, a lot of Romney-induced disunity as panicked Republicans break ranks to dash in all directions while their opponents stand firm. Just look at the confidence that Team Romney inspires in every party precinct and at every level of electoral operation. What leadership from Team Romney! What poise! What equanimity! What fearless devotion to a cause instead of a person–oh, wait, it’s opposite day.

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM

I love the arrogance of the trolls. Such true disciples of their god “the won”.

jazzmo on September 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM

And you would blame what,
casuist on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Thompson himself, he’s a fool. Any other questions…nevermind…I’ve got work to get done. Have a nice day.

Deanna on September 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM

And you will too come November.

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

No, I will be to busy blaming imbeciles like you who couldn’t put their big boy pants on and vote to evict Obama from the Whitehouse.

SWalker on September 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM

And you have the turd Reince at the GOP tweeting how much cash on hand he has. LOL!

he had to. MSM was making it out that Mitt was running short of money.

in june when Mitt wrapped up nomination he was behind Obama in money game.

he devied a strategy of victory committee withRNC so people could give 75000 instead of just 2500.

thats why RNC has more money..

he also funneled money to the victory commitees in 4 states that his people control. only one NH is a swing state. the other 3 are deep red states. by putting this money in these 4 states which his people control he can direct it anywere.

gerrym51 on September 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM

TrueCons are out in force today..

wargamer6 on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Who are these TrueCons you continuously speak of? Do the have names or are they just imaginary friends of yours?

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Told you this a while ago. I will not vote for him. He f**ked up Wisconsin with his increased spending. He touts his welfare reform but completely neutralized it with his bigger and bigger shortfalls, which McCallum carried on, leading to Doyle coming in and setting the spending dial to 11.

Worthless fat old drunk.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I see the ABR siren has sounded…

changer1701 on September 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

What leadership from Team Romney! What poise! What equanimity! What fearless devotion to a cause instead of a person–oh, wait, it’s opposite day.

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM

And exactly what cause would that be, RINO-idiotism? Because that’s what Thompson is. Have a nice day.

Deanna on September 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

I smell troll…

spiritof61 on September 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Trolls have an affinity for polls!

thatsafactjack on September 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM

…you smell gummeandpokeme…so now you prolly frightened that pollsucker away!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM


Someday Conservatives may get tired of losing to Establishment Republicans and learn to get behind one candidate instead of falling for divide and conquer time after time. Someday.

But that day is not today. Today we’re lashed to the ice-cold cadaver of Team Romney as it drags down the entire GOP slate–kicking and screaming–with it. But it’s hard to destroy an entire party said Ann Romney as she scolded us for our ingratitude. If you think you can destroy the fortunes of the GOP any faster, YOU step into the ring!

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

TrueCons are out in force today..

wargamer6 on September 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Really sick of this label. It’s no better than RINO. Fact of the matter is that Thompson, like McCain, is a prime example of the establishment scum that continue to inflate government while claiming to be conservative.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Thompson is a RINO squish from what I recall.

SouthernGent on September 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I was going for ironic. It’s hard for me to imagine people voting against the progressive they have made and the party that is the author of it.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM


Really sick of this label. It’s no better than RINO. Fact of the matter is that Thompson, like McCain, is a prime example of the establishment scum that continue to inflate government while claiming to be conservative.

Which is the perfect description of Romney, who gave us that mega-expansion of the state called RomneyCare, a botch of policy functionally identical to ObamaCare, yet he claims to be conservative for reasons known only to himself. What irony, wouldn’t you say?

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM

the success of Walker’s reforms is probably hurting both Thompson and Romney. The economy in Wisconsin is looking better, freeing its denizens to return to their liberal predilections, unmindful of the GOP policies that made that possible.

Curmudgeon on September 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

YUP. Same applies to the bigger pix, imagine what UE would be if not so many states hadnt captured Rep govs and legislatures who helped turn their states around, but consequentially made Blightbringer’s “economy” look a little better.

hillsoftx on September 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Worthless fat old drunk.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You would have a better handle on WI politics than I of course. Is he worse than his opponent? Didn’t folks like him for welfare reform?

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Thompson is a RINO squish from what I recall.

SouthernGent on September 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

He was.

State government spending increased every year under Gov. Tommy Thompson – From 1992, the first year in which this data was available, state government spending increased every year under Thompson’s leadership. [US Census Bureau, State and Local Government Finance Historical Data]

Year — State Government Expenditures
1992 — 13,595,620
1993 — 14,620,876
1994 — 15,281,465
1995 — 16,301,863
1996 — 16,989,913
1997 — 18,199,533
1998 — 19,001,608
1999 — 20,465,757
2000 — 22,833,463
[Source: US Census Bureau, State and Local Government Finance Historical Data]

If we’re going to blame Obama for adding to the debt(and rightly so), we need to have no double standards.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

There is a saying: “I refuse to tiptoe through life only to safely arrive at death.” Republicans would do well to heed this advice.Thompson, alas, is a RINO (but, as with Brown in Mass.) he is FAR BETTER than the opposition and he is CORRECT that Romney’s lackluster campaign has harmed him as well as other Republicans. The trouble is not only Romney’s lack of “pizzazz” but his overly caution, tiptoeing advisers (including his own-very influential wife who was instrumental in cold-shouldering Eastwood at the convention.)

If the Republicans don’t stop pussyfooting and go for Obama’s exposed jugular-not only will Romney lose but many candidates such as Thompson as well.

MaiDee on September 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

You would have a better handle on WI politics than I of course. Is he worse than his opponent? Didn’t folks like him for welfare reform?

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM

No, he’s slightly better than Baldwin, who is an out-and-out communist.

And yes, his entire facade is based on welfare reform. In and of itself, it was a good measure. The problem is that he was tax-happy, just like Mike Huckabee was when he was governor. He wanted gas taxes, alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes…even internet taxes in the late 90s. Meanwhile, he wanted increased state spending on all other kinds of new programs, which even with his tax fetish, STILL ate away at our coffers at an increased rate every year(see the link I posted above).

We had four candidates. Any of the other three, I would have supported. Instead, Thompson won with a whopping…34% of the vote.

Barely a third.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

If you stay home you aren’t a republican

tomas on September 21, 2012 at 1:36 PM

If you stay home you aren’t a republican

tomas on September 21, 2012 at 1:36 PM

They’re PureCons, not republicans.

changer1701 on September 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM

If we’re going to blame Obama for adding to the debt(and rightly so), we need to have no double standards.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Oh like you did with Palin when it was pointed out that she massively increased the size and cost of government in Alaska. That kind of double standard?

lowandslow on September 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Barely a third.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Got it. Still we are going to need him. I think WI should support him since he is the only choice. Very similar to the National scene this time round. We will just have to wait to have the next inter party fight. Its coming though. First lose the stain we call 0 and as many of his failed policies as possible. Yes?

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

No, he’s slightly better than Baldwin, who is an out-and-out communist.

And he’s the Republican nominee..so vote for the out-and-out communist or vote for the squish…and BTW, why complain about the squish, you know had any of those other three, you could have supported, decided to drop out, you wouldn’t have this problem. So I’d look at the other three more than Thompson.

JFKY on September 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

I guess that means they are imaginary. *crickets*

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM

If the GOP loses the Senate and Prez races, in what were two layups, the entire thing needs to be blown up.

2010 was the Tea Party. The so-called grown ups took over in 2012. And look what we have?

We have Romney losing to the biggest disaster in history.

And we have the GOP unable to gain one net seat – when the Dems are defending 23 of them.

All with a background of 8% unemployment, $4 gas, and $16 trillion debt.

It would go down as the biggest political choke in history.

kevinkristy on September 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

They’re PureConsconservatives, not republicans.

changer1701 on September 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM

FTFY, and I think it’s clear your “true” colors are out, partisan shill.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM

We have Romney losing to the biggest disaster in history.

Yeah he’s losing…stick a fork in him…do you guyz/galz ever get tired of dancing the Defeat Dance and Spiking the Ball in the OPPONENT’S End Zone…I’m with Limbaugh, I don’t grasp how we “advance” with defeat? OR grasp the seeming glee that people bring to a defeat, for someone “not our guy.”

JFKY on September 21, 2012 at 1:48 PM

And we have the GOP unable to gain one net seat – when the Dems are defending 23 of them.

kevinkristy on September 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Nonsense, the GOP did everything 100% perfectly! It’s all the “TrueCons” or “PureCons” (or whatever we’re calling those dirty right wing wackjobs today) fault! /

Doomberg on September 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

you know had any of those other three, you could have supported, decided to drop out, you wouldn’t have this problem.

JFKY on September 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Wow. Still you blame Thompson’s record on other free citizens running to represent their state. It would be mind-melting if not for the person posting it.

And while you’re using that twisted logic, let me twist it a bit more: if Thompson had decided to drop out, any of those other three would be polling far better. Walker’s win in June demonstrated that Wisconsin wants conservatism. Unlike you, and a few others here.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

I don’t even know anymore. Nearly half of Republicans and over half of independents don’t think the state of the economy is “poor”. Is there anything left to save, or are we already Greece Part Deux?

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Yeah because MadisonCon it’s much more important to vote Virgil Goode or not vote at all and allow the Democrats the seat, than vote for a squish, who’s arrogant opponents couldn’t agree on a withdrawal. Sure I see it clearly, we advance by losing, NEXT time the “real” conservative will win…of course next time is in 6 years, but that’s OK…because it’s better to “be right” than “be in office.”

JFKY on September 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Wisconsin just elected a Republican Tea Party candidate so if Thompson loses it is all on him baby.

Conan on September 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Still you blame Thompson’s record on other free citizens running to represent their state. It would be mind-melting if not for the person posting it.

No I’m pointing out the TRUTH, to you…you’re so-called conservatives couldn’t agree on which one to quit, because they all wanted the job, so Thompson got the nomination…Your problem isn’t with Thompson, your problem ought to be with the guys/galz who decided, like Akin, that their career advancement was more important than Conservatism…

And because, in your arrogance, YOUR candidate(s) didn’t get the nod, you’ve decided to talk the ball and go home.

JFKY on September 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

No I’m pointing out the TRUTH, to you…

JFKY on September 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I gave you the truth. Hard facts about Thompson’s record, apart from the fact that I lived through it and you didn’t. You couldn’t give less of a rat’s ass. You’re a party loyalist, no matter what they do. If you gave a crap about conservatism you wouldn’t spend your time defending the records of non-conservatives or trying to deflect the topic away from them. What exactly does “accountability” mean to you? Very little, it seems. You continue to vote for people who drive us further off the fiscal cliff, and then you chastise those who don’t. You’re exactly the type that unprincipled power brokers rely on to stay on top.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:58 PM

And because, in your arrogance, YOUR candidate(s) didn’t get the nod, you’ve decided to talk the ball and go home.

JFKY on September 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

And I’m sick to death of you making this personal. It was never about supporting any one candidate, which I indicated by saying I would have supported any of the other three. It’s about not supporting every Mike Castle out there, a practice to which you gleefully adhere.

Republicans do not shrink and limit the size and scope of government. Conservatives do. Remember that in 2-4-6 years when our debt is greater, our states are further in the hole, and you’re still spitting on anyone who doesn’t accept whatever ObamaCare engineer or other “most electable” the GOP throws to us.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 2:03 PM

casuist on September 21, 2012

…thank you for your concerns and insight!
…hold on to those ears!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Is there anything left to save, or are we already Greece Part Deux?

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I had a similar conversation with my friend sharrukin the other evening. I think as do many of us that we are if not already there desperately close. I think we have to try to turn it around. It really is a last ditch effort though. It will collapse maybe either way, but definitely one way. I’m willing to try one last time before it comes tumbling down. After that we may not have another opportunity of this sort.

Bmore on September 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM

MadCon

Zomcon JEM on September 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM


Nonsense, the GOP did everything 100% perfectly! It’s all the “TrueCons” or “PureCons” (or whatever we’re calling those dirty right wing wackjobs today) fault! /

Yea, verily, and amen, my precious brother in the good work of electing Romney for his personal goodness or something. Those evil conservatives and their good-for-nothing principles can all go straight to hell. They in their poisonous envy have oh-so-conveniently forgotten that this election is not about anything so small as the fate of a nation, no!–this election is about Romney! and only Romney. In Romney we trust.

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM


Republicans do not shrink and limit the size and scope of government. Conservatives do.

Very elegantly stated. Yes. Amen.

casuist on September 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

MadCOn – no, you aren’t. You are taking stats from over a decade ago to say you don’t like Thompson. I don’t like Thompson. But you want to know truth? You are voting for Baldwin – the commie.

The “conservatives in name only” obvioulsy forgot about the notion that we need conservatives to actually win elections – not field a handful of them to split the conservative vote so that the centrist wins. Your conservative (faux conservatives based upon their behavior) candidates screwed up. That is the truth. You want Reid in charge, go ahead, make my day. But don’t deflect from your decision – you aren’t the victim here,and you may end up the enabler.

I like much of what you post and if I were in your shoes – in WI – I probably would feel the same way. But get over it; have your rant and pull for Thompson. He isn’t conservative enough I agree, and it sounds as if he is running a terrible race. But he isn’t a commie sympathizer, and he gives a better chance of starting over on health care.

Buck up – hold your nose. In 2018, get one conservative to take Thompson on if he falters. The conservatives in WI got schooled this time – learn and improve.

Zomcon JEM on September 21, 2012 at 2:14 PM

But you want to know truth? You are voting for Baldwin – the commie.

Zomcon JEM on September 21, 2012 at 2:14 PM

No, I’m not. Quit lying.

A vote for the Republican is a vote for the Republican.
A vote for the Democrat is a vote for the Democrat.

Anyone on either side who says they don’t want to vote for their candidate will be told they’re voting for the other one.

The truth?

A vote for neither is a vote for neither.

If you continue to push your intimidation reasoning, you are no better than any union thug.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Because in Indiana Mourdock – a young gun is also running a terrible campaign and is in real trouble. He is conservative and blowing it. So we may get Donnelly who passed Obamacare and sacrificed the pro-lifers. Mourdock is no RINO. So now what?

So once again the conservatives are tactically blowing it. We need to learn how to play politics – not to be co-opted by them, but so we don’t get blindsided by the pros.

Zomcon JEM on September 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

It’s what happens when Baldwin has a 4-week free run to define both herself to everybody outside Madison and Thompson to everybody under the age of 35 (even those who paid attention in the primary as the primary commercials were almost all negative). Indeed, Baldwin was so flush with cash, her ads appeared on this website.

Steve Eggleston on September 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

No – I’m not lying – you are lying to yourself. I’m not intimidating anyone – I’m at a keyboard.

You are taking a vote away from Thompson – the net effect of which is a vote for Baldwin. That’s just math.

I’m asking you to get off the cliff, hold your nose, and try to continue to move the GOP to the conservative side while trying to stop the end of the country as we know it. We cannot afford purity in the general. Our chance in Wisconsin was to get at least one proclaimed conservative off the friggin primary ballot and none of them had the guts to do it – none of them!

We fight in the primary. We get rid of dem commie libs in the general with whatever we have. Otherwise, as*whipes like Baldwin keep going there and vote for awful things.

That’s not intimidation – I’m no union thug – but it is the truth. Do with it what you will.

Zomcon JEM on September 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Don’t be so fast to assume Rasmussen is providing a fair sample.

There is recent clear and compelling evidence that Rasmussen is assuming a 2008 electorate like everyone else.

Rasmussen was recently on FoxNews saying, “Mitt Romney is a terrible candidate…” Does that sound unbiased to you?

mitchellvii on September 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I agree on Rasmussen. If it’s soooo random, how is it that you never see a poll that’s totally dominant in one of the D/R/I criteria? You’d think that once in awhile the “randomness” would find mostly Romney supporters and come out with a lead of more than a point. To me the only polls that matter will be the ones we overrun on Nov 6 to vote in a new president.

stukinIL4now on September 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Holy carp… time to get wee-we’d up Tommy Thomson is in a statistical tie…

Gallup Poll: U.S. distrust in media hits new high, quick, someone call Captain Renualt.

SWalker on September 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

When, as late as last month, even the D-heavy polls had Thompson up by high-single digits? Yes, it is time to get “wee-wee’d up” (or at least time to get off our arses and start defining Baldwin as the ultra-liberal Madistanian she is).

Steve Eggleston on September 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

try to continue to move the GOP to the conservative side

Zomcon JEM on September 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM

So I move the GOP to the conservative side by voting for the non-conservative. Got it.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Why all the fingerpointing at conservatives? It’s the Noonan, Frum, and Brookses who are bailing on Romney and getting ready to vote for O just like they did in 2008. Try keeping them in line. Conservatives voted for McCain in overwhelming numbers and will vote for a ham sandwich against Obozo.

sauldalinsky on September 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM

I saw this bumper sticker the other day.

“VOTE RIGHT TO SAVE WHAT IS LEFT”

I tried to find this on line and all the search engines pulled up Obama CRAP.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM

I saw this bumper sticker the other day.

“VOTE RIGHT TO SAVE WHAT IS LEFT”

I tried to find this on line and all the search engines pulled up Obama CRAP.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Don’t use Google.

Steve Eggleston on September 21, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Thompson has been running a lackluster campaign.

It is depressing to see Harry Reid as Majority Leader for at least 2 more years. And GOP probably has a lot more senate seat they have to defend in 2014.

bayview on September 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Because in Indiana Mourdock – a young gun is also running a terrible campaign and is in real trouble. He is conservative and blowing it. So we may get Donnelly who passed Obamacare and sacrificed the pro-lifers. Mourdock is no RINO. So now what?

So once again the conservatives are tactically blowing it. We need to learn how to play politics – not to be co-opted by them, but so we don’t get blindsided by the pros.

Zomcon JEM on September 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

We’re not using the best criteria to evaluate these candidates, that much is clear. It seems like the one that gets all the conservative street cred first is the bandwagon everyone piles on to, regardless of whether they’d be decent in the general. Or, two similar candidates split the vote and let someone like an Akin slip through the cracks.

At least Ted Cruz is proving to be a good candidate, as Marco Rubio and a few others were.

changer1701 on September 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Steve Eggleston on September 21, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Bing did the same thing. I’m going to try a few others. You would think a search of bumper stickers would be innocuous enough for fairness but you would be wrong.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM

So once again the conservatives are tactically blowing it.

Zomcon JEM on September 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

You’re right. Conservatives are blowing it. You’ve got establishment candidates running for president, and establishment candidates running for the Senate…and conservatives are the ones screwing everything up. Nothing is ever the fault of establishment GOP dime store indians.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

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