Paul Ryan at AARP: Obama has “put his own job security over your retirement security”

posted at 5:01 pm on September 21, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Paul Ryan spoke at the AARP‘s annual convention in New Orleans on Friday to speak to seniors about his plan to reboot Medicare, taking the stage after a via-satellite appearance from President Obama. Some members of the audience were a little on the openly unfriendly side (most of the headlines I’m seeing are variations of ‘Paul Ryan booed at AARP’) with some people shouting things like “Lie!” and “No vouchers!” at a few points and especially when he mentioned repealing ObamaCare, but he plowed right on through to the important stuff:

You don’t have to take my word for it. Ask the chief actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. He works for the Obama administration, and his job is to look after your Medicare. Last year, we invited him to Congress to answer a simple question: If President Obama’s Medicare cuts were used to pay for new spending in Obamacare, how can they also improve Medicare’s solvency?

His answer? They can’t. It’s simple: You can’t spend the same dollar twice. His exact words were, “It takes two sets of money to make it happen.” President Obama spent one set on a government takeover of health care, and he never provided the other to strengthen Medicare.

But that’s not all the new health-care law did. You see, Medicare is going bankrupt. Everyone understands this. Even President Obama said last year, “If you look at the numbers, Medicare in particular will run out of money, and we will not be able to sustain that program no matter how much taxes go up.” …

The President’s health-care law set up something called the Independent Payment Advisory Board. It will be made up of 15 unelected bureaucrats. The President has said he will appoint “experts,” but none of the fifteen are required by law to have any medical training.

And here’s the thing: As Medicare spending grows, this board is required to cut it. Unless Congress overrides these cuts with a supermajority vote, they automatically become law. …

Medicare is a promise, and we will honor it. A Romney-Ryan administration will protect and strengthen Medicare, for my Mom’s generation, for my generation, and for my kids and yours.

Our plan keeps the protections that have made Medicare a guaranteed promise for seniors throughout the years. It makes no changes for those in or near retirement.

I’m not sure how much more simple this can get — which, come to think of it, is probably exactly why the Democrats feel compelled to resort to relentless, cheap demagoguery like visuals of Paul Ryan pitching Granny over the edge of a cliff. Medicare is not solvent as-is; the most significant action-item on President Obama’s part has been to raid the program on behalf of his legislative crowning jewel; and a Romney/Ryan plan would not effect anyone who’s already in or near retirement.


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No surprise here – AARP endorsed Obamacare.

tdpwells on September 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I heard some of this speech today and it was masterful. Don’t know what the optics were but I only heard one or two voices heckling Ryan.

Does anyone recall either Obama or Biden appearing before a hostile audience like this? Ever? Yet the MSM lede is “Ryan booed at AARP.”

rockmom on September 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I’m glad that I only had to tear up some AARP crap – in the mail – once.

For some reason, I never received anything else.

Maybe it was my vibes.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM

FYI: The black CEO of AARP, Barry (aka “barack”) Rand has been a frequent guest in the OBOZO White House. He has donated thousands to the OBOZO campaign. He ignored the best interests of seniors to back OBOZOCARE / OBOZOTAX for AARP’s (and his own) PROFIT.
AARP = an organization to be shunned and ignored by all responsible Americans until it – like America – gets responsible leadership.

TeaPartyNation on September 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

No surprise here – AARP endorsed Obamacare.

tdpwells on September 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Yep. They sold their souls(and credibility) for a buck.

Doughboy on September 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

The clip cut off too soon. Ryan jumped into the crowd and started randomly punching old women, it was quite the scene.

Bishop on September 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Oh, and I’ll bet there weren’t 20 people in that room who had ever heard of IPAB. If they weren’t terrified by Ryan’s entirely accurate description of it, I don’t know what to say.

rockmom on September 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

honestly, why talk to a left-wing front group? barry and the barrry.press can use the footage against you

r keller on September 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM

They endorsed it because they are set to make a killing off of it. When Medicare advantage gets wiped out because of obamacare AARP will be right there to take over.

Ta111 on September 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM

All I heard was, “Lie, boy!”

Abby Adams on September 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Does anyone recall either Obama or Biden appearing before a hostile audience like this? Ever? Yet the MSM lede is “Ryan booed at AARP.”

rockmom on September 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM

That’s why they never campaign in ruby red states.

TxAnn56 on September 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Paul made a great case after that initial booing. Once seniors realize they have been played for fools, the tides may change.

General rule of thumb: When democrats accuse republicans of something, it’s almost always projection.

Golden rule #1: Never underestimate the dishonesty of a democrat.

BruthaMan on September 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Gotta admire Paul for going into the lions den with this bunch? They are knee deep with bho and give billions(of the money you send them to join) to fund bho and bhocare! We do not deal with aarp, in fact, if we get anything from them with a prepaid envelpoe, they get nothing back on their dime.
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letget on September 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

AARP sucks; anyone remember that incredibly tone deaf Town Hall meeting with that obnoxious fat broad and the other AARP flunkies talking down to its members.

She got pissed because her customers dared to talk back to her and waddled — waddled — out ?

The War Planner on September 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Even if Obamacare were generally a good program the very outline looks bad for Medicare.

Since they were older folks, did he ask them if they wanted to leave the same reasonable level of national debt they had for their kids and grand kids?

Or can they remember a program like Obamacare that came in on budget?

IlikedAUH2O on September 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

AALRP.

American Association of Liberal Retired Persons.

DaydreamBeliever on September 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

The AARP ‘leadership’ is an Obama-machine.

Always shun the entire organization and if you know anyone who’s in it, get them out, or never let them join.

They exist only like the SEIU, to vote for leftist anything.

To hell with them.

Here’s just one competitor.

No, they don’t pay me.

Schadenfreude on September 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

People love their entitlements.

IlikedAUH2O on September 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM

More than anything, AARP is and always has been a lobbying group. My parents belonged to it, and in the ’80s they got constant letters asking for money to stop any law that might help prevent the crises we are seeing today.

Trouble with Social Security and Medicare were foreseen back then, but AARP and the Democrats resisted the warnings, the math that proved it all, and any possible idea to stop it.

Well, except for tax hikes, that is.

Liam on September 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

AARP

*spit*

petefrt on September 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Actually Obama’s traded senior’s health care for his liberal base votes.

Speakup on September 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

AARP has all kinds of sleazy tentacles. They recommend an awful lot of junk products for big kickbacks. Never buy any long term care insurance that they recommend!

BettyRuth on September 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM

some people shouting things like “Lie!” and “No vouchers!” at a few points and especially when he mentioned repealing ObamaCare, but he plowed right on through to the important stuff

A politician who is not afraid to tell people what they don’t want to hear.

aunursa on September 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Oh, and I’ll bet there weren’t 20 people in that room who had ever heard of IPAB. If they weren’t terrified by Ryan’s entirely accurate description of it, I don’t know what to say.

rockmom on September 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

You mean the group of pigs whose decisions are subject to neither administrative, nor judicial, review?

For the life of me, I don’t understand why the Constitutionality of that provision isn’t attacked.

I can only shake my head, at what’s happening to America.

I’m sickened.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 21, 2012 at 5:13 PM

AMAC, ASA, and 60 Plus are conservative alternatives to AARP.

22044 on September 21, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Paul Ryan at AARP: Obama has “put his own job security over your retirement security”

Not only has Obama put his own job security ahead of our retirement security, but the Fifth Column Treasonous Media has doubled down on doubling down on the lies and deceptions.

SWalker on September 21, 2012 at 5:14 PM

I heard lots of clapping too. Seems like the crowd was mixed. He did a great job.

magicbeans on September 21, 2012 at 5:15 PM

A politician who is not afraid to tell people what they don’t want to hear.

aunursa on September 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM

I do wish he had used the line Chris Christie used when he was booed by the NJ state firefighter’s association:

“Why are you booing the first person who has come before you and told you the truth??”

rockmom on September 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Well, that’s a relief! Those folks who screwed Medicare up will not have their coverage change at all – those of who are PAYING for their screwed up non-changing plan however………..

KMC1 on September 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Can’t wait to see the MSM present this without proper context.

“Paul Ryan booed by seniors! Booed by seniors! OK, moving on to Mitt Romney’s taxes…”

forest on September 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

No surprise here – AARP endorsed Obamacare.

Hellzbellz .. it’d be no surprise to learn that OBarkyCair was written just for -or by- AARP’s insurance arm.
/.

CaveatEmpty on September 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

The AARP stands to make hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars off Obama care..
They only care that you buy their insurance , they don’t give a rats ass about you other than your money.
They are another wing of the democrat party..

RockyJ. on September 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

I get crap from AARP which of course I rip up. I was tempted to call them and tell them that I’d never join them. Then I thought it better to have them waste their money. So AARP..send away..it’s going straight into the can anyway.

galtg on September 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

My folks dropped out of the AARP when they realized it’s just a front for various left-leaning interests, overlaid with all sorts of dubious product offerings. Joining up is basically an invitation to vendor spam and left wing pontificating.

JeremiahJohnson on September 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Shocka, a bunch of moochers boo Paul Ryan!

sauldalinsky on September 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Obama lies for their vote.

Paul Ryan tells them the truth, even when it hurts the most.

Obama will never experience the honor of doing the right thing.

BruthaMan on September 21, 2012 at 5:19 PM

You mean the group of pigs whose decisions are subject to neither administrative, nor judicial, review?

For the life of me, I don’t understand why the Constitutionality of that provision isn’t attacked.

I can only shake my head, at what’s happening to America.

I’m sickened.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 21, 2012 at 5:13 PM

You need to watch the whole speech and hear Ryan lay this out. It was brilliant. He told them that what Obama has done is take deicsions about Medicare spending away from their elected representatives who are accountable to them, and given them to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats who are not accountable to anyone.

I believe that if Obama is reelected this provision will be challenged in court and will be struck down. If Romney is elected he can simply not appoint the Board and Congress can refuse to fund its operation, until it can be repealed. Part of that provision also unconstitutionally binds future Congresses from amending it.

rockmom on September 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

AARP

*spit*

petefrt on September 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

AARP

BruthaMan on September 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

The AARP is a left wing organization that is imploding.

Generation America is a better organization.

AARP…………you suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

PappyD61 on September 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Congressman Ryan is brilliant!

If we do lose, I hope this doesn’t hurt his chances in the future…

Rubio/Ryan 2012 would have been unbeatable.

Redford on September 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

People love their entitlements.

IlikedAUH2O on September 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM

They sure do. Entitlements are very addictive. And utterly destructive to nations.

I know no politician will ever come out and say this (at least none from either of the two “major” parties), but entitlement programs are more consistent with Euro-socialist states than they are with American society as envisioned by the founding fathers.

For the sake of our nation’s long term survival, we should ultimately be completely weaned off all of these “safety nets.”

UltimateBob on September 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM

No surprise here – AARP endorsed Obamacare Death panels.

tdpwells on September 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

FIFY.

AARP chose profits over serving the best interests of it’s members, SHOCK.

PappyD61 on September 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM

FLUKE
AARP!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2012 at 5:26 PM

He ignored the best interests of seniors to back OBOZOCARE / OBOZOTAX for AARP’s (and his own) PROFIT.
AARP = an organization to be shunned and ignored by all responsible Americans until it – like America – gets responsible leadership.

TeaPartyNation on September 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Don’t organizations like that have a fiduciary responsibility to their members? How does supporting a plan that is going to result in medical treatment being denied to your members because they are “past the age of utility” serve the benefit of that membership?

Problem is, too many people just think AARP is some kind of social club that you join after you turn 50 in order to get discounts. Way too few people understand that it is a left wing lobbying group.

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

People love their entitlements.

IlikedAUH2O on September 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM


NOTHING
tastes as free and sweet as the milk from the teat of the Federal Sow.

You just latch on whenever you need it and it’s there for you.

PappyD61 on September 21, 2012 at 5:29 PM

AARP sucks. I get their crap in the mail occasionally, and it goes right in the trash. My MiL canceled her membership when AARP endorsed OCare.

Ward Cleaver on September 21, 2012 at 5:29 PM

We do not deal with aarp, in fact, if we get anything from them with a prepaid envelpoe, they get nothing back on their dime.

letget on September 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I make sure that they get back plenty on their dime. I find other junk mail and stuff the envelope until it exceeds the one ounce price point.

Haven’t gotten anything from them for a while. Mrs. Federalist got an insurance solicitation the other day and that was the first thing in months.

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

If legislators and the President had a fiduciary responsibility enforceable by law to safeguard the funds with which they are entrusted, supposedly “earmarked” (in the good sense of the word) for Medicare (and Social Security), as anyone does who is handed the reins of a trust fund, they would all be in jail today.

Knowing some of them, even that wouldn’t stop them.

But, it would be a good place to start.

IndieDogg on September 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

From another posting:

The DNC initiated an $8 million loan with the Amalgamated Bank of New York on Aug. 10, the report shows, accounting for the majority of the committee’s overall debt of $11 million.

Amalgamated Bank, often described as “America’s Labor Bank,” is a national entity, the majority of which is owned by the Service Employees International Union (SEIU),

Obama runs his campaign like the country–on a credit card.

socalcon on September 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Obama lies for their vote.

Paul Ryan tells them the truth, even when it hurts the most.

Obama will never experience the honor of doing the right thing.

Nice comment and too true.

Hard to take the high road all the time.

LetsBfrank on September 21, 2012 at 5:31 PM

The AARP stands to make hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars off Obama care..
They only care that you buy their insurance , they don’t give a rats ass about you other than your money.
They are another wing of the democrat party..

RockyJ. on September 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

That’s exactly right. AARP used to stand for American Association of Retired Persons. Guess what? It no longer stands for that. I read an article earlier this year that reported that they had legally (and very quietly) dropped the fiction that they are an advocacy group for retired persons. They are an insurance syndicate that makes money (a lot of money) selling their endorsement to various insurance companies.

AARP does not represent the interests of senior citizens. AARP represents the interests of AARP — and those interests are primarily making as much money as possible so that AARP executives can continue to enjoy their large salaries and lavish perks.

AARP supported Obamacare, even though AARP knew full well that it would strip nearly 3/4 trillion dollars from Medicare funding. AARP supported and promoted Obamacare because AARP is going to make billions of dollars endorsing Medigap policies — policies that a lot more senior citizens are going to need to buy now that their Medicare benefits will be significantly reduced once Obamacare goes into full effect in 2014.

The people in the crowd heckling Paul Ryan are either woefully ignorant, or they are Obama plants, or (most likely) they are both.

AZCoyote on September 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM

The AARP? Good on Ryan for speaking honestly to them.

I will continue to mail their invites back to them in their AARP postage-paid envelopes with “Sell outs to Obamacare” written in red marker on the literature.

Fallon on September 21, 2012 at 5:34 PM

The AARP is a left wing organization that is imploding.

But . . . but . . . the Washington Post report on Ryan’s appearance swears that “The AARP is a non-partisan organization” and boy, if there ever was anybody who could spot a non-partisan organization, it’s the WP.

/sarc

ugottabekiddingme on September 21, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Just in case there is somebody here who isn’t fully aware of what AARP is: The AARP is in reality nothing more than a super insurance agent for the Hartford group. PERIOD. no matter whatever else they try to camouflage themselves to be.

oldernwiser on September 21, 2012 at 5:35 PM

If someone in the audience made a crack about vouchers then he/she hasn’t been paying attention. No one in that audience would be impacted!

Charlemagne on September 21, 2012 at 5:36 PM

AARP had all the makings of a public sector union. All the people running the show are making out like bandits and they don’t really give a squirt of pi$$ about their members….

BigWyo on September 21, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Have your friends and relatives join AMAC and get out of the AARP.

Charlemagne on September 21, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Did I need another reason to loathe AARP? Not really.

ConservativeLA on September 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM

If someone in the audience made a crack about vouchers then he/she hasn’t been paying attention. No one in that audience would be impacted!

Charlemagne on September 21, 2012 at 5:36 PM

The opposite of starve the beast. When your a moocher, an shrinking of the govt pie looks like an attack on your goodies.

sauldalinsky on September 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM

AARP = SEIU of retired folks.

antipc on September 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Fine…

… let it go broke.

Then since the young have been educated in our government schools…

… it will be everyone for themselves.

The elderly will become entertainment for the masses as we return to Gladiator games and people will have to fight for health care or be fed to the lions…

… It should be a hoot!

Seven Percent Solution on September 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

The elderly will become entertainment for the masses as we return to Gladiator games and people will have to fight for health care or be fed to the lions…

… It should be a hoot!

Seven Percent Solution on September 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Chariot Walker Races!!!

Ben Hernia!!!!

BigWyo on September 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Okay, but where n Hades will Ryan miraculously find enough money to fund medicare? Answer; Raise the very taxes he’s promising to cut. Don’t tell me it will come from new growth. That’s a fairy tale beyond reason. Tax cuts will help the economy some, but not enough to save medicare, fight the coming war with radical Islam, and take care of millions of new immigrants which have to be dealt with. The GOP won’t toss them out, so….

So where will Ryan get the money? What about the debt? What about shoring up the dollar after the boy wonder and the fed printed it into oblivion?

Don L on September 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Ryan wasn’t talking to the leadership, but for the subscribers…AARP took their members for a ride, they were the ones in the wheelchair…

right2bright on September 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM

BigWyo on September 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Ouch!
Hail Seizure?

Don L on September 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM

So where will Ryan get the money? What about the debt? What about shoring up the dollar after the boy wonder and the fed printed it into oblivion?

Don L on September 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM

The reason you can’t figure it out, is the reason why you are in some bedroom, with internet connection, out of work and asking a question that when answered, you won’t accept or understand…now go have some cookies and milk.

right2bright on September 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM

It’s fun to read those reader comments to the WSJ article about how AARP lobbied for and coordinated the Obama messaging for Obamacare to seniors — even though they knew the vast majority of their members strongly opposed it.

Some genius writes that the $716 billion that Obamacare strips from Medicare funding won’t affect seniors’ Medicare benefits, because those massive cuts are only to Medicare providers. LOL. How can you reason with that kind of stupid?

Where does this moron think Medicare providers are going to get the money they need to keep providing the same level of services to Medicare patients, once their payments are cut by 3/4 Trillion Dollars? Are they going to pull that money out of their azzes? Pluck it off the magic money tree? Wait for the Obama unicorn to deliver it? No, genius, they’re going to slash (or eliminate) services to Medicare patients.

AZCoyote on September 21, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Ryan has got to stop chomping on his lower lip after he speaks. He looks like a muppet.

portlandon on September 21, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Ouch!
Hail Seizure?

Don L on September 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM

good one…

BigWyo on September 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Okay, but where n Hades will Ryan miraculously find enough money to fund medicare? Answer; Raise the very taxes he’s promising to cut. Don’t tell me it will come from new growth. That’s a fairy tale beyond reason.

There aren’t enough workers to fund the currently promised entitlements. Raising taxes won’t change that.

So where will Ryan get the money?

He won’t. The money isn’t there and printing it through Quantitative Easing (QE) is the only way to square that circle.

What about the debt? What about shoring up the dollar after the boy wonder and the fed printed it into oblivion?

Don L on September 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Put it off for another day. The year 2040 to be exact. With Congress and seven presidencies between then and now, that translates to ‘never‘.

sharrukin on September 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM

You know what a great touch would have been? If, right at the beginning of his speech, Ryan said to the crowd: “You might have recognized me from the commercials”, and then played the Democrat’s ad of him pushing Granny off the cliff on the screen behind him.

Socratease on September 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Listen to the whole speech, particularly pay attention at around 24:50 on. They are applauding him ripping Obamacare.

http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Events/Paul-Ryan-Speech-to-AARP-Members/10737434297/

MarkT on September 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Bunch of Selfish Old People if you ask me.

AYNBLAND on September 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

I too am a Senior…and would never consider the AARPeee a friend of mine. I think membership requires that you’re suffering from dementia or a silly loser old loon.

There’s alternatives out there for those Seniors who aren’t still swallowing the kool aide of FDR and the rest of the robber baron demcraps.

Time they get a grip…..and these are the “Greatest Generation” of mostly gullible fools.

Twana on September 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM

I’m glad that I only had to tear up some AARP crap – in the mail – once.

For some reason, I never received anything else.

Maybe it was my vibes.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I sent all their material back in their pre-paid envelope… glued to the outside of a HEAVY brick wrapped in shopping bag paper… since it was over the 13 ounce Post Office rule, I took it inside, handed it to the Postal Worker, and said “postage guaranteed!”

Now, if I could just get them to stop sending me things via e-mail…

Khun Joe on September 21, 2012 at 6:25 PM

The clip cut off too soon. Ryan jumped into the crowd and started randomly punching old women, it was quite the scene.

Bishop on September 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Shush you. You’re giving Mr. Carter Jr Jr ideas.

kim roy on September 21, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Gotta give the guy credit for going. I like Ryan.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Kudos to Ryan for coming out and telling the truth in a concise and easy-to-understand way. Maybe that’s why Romney picked him for VP.

It would be really sweet (for Ryan) if next year’s Senate was 50-50, and Vice President Ryan cast the deciding vote on the Medicare overhaul.

Steve Z on September 21, 2012 at 6:31 PM

you have met the 47% – what do you thin??? medicare/social security is dead

RonK on September 21, 2012 at 6:31 PM

From A Washington Post Article: At other points in his speech, scattered attendees yelled out, “No vouchers!” and “Tax the one percent!”

These would be the hardcore Democrats, or AARP “plants”. AARP has a Major Vested Interest in Obamacare.

RADIOONE on September 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM

No surprise here – AARP endorsed Obamacare.

tdpwells on September 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Yes they did, and every time I received mail from them I wrote in a big black sharpie on the application that they signed on before knowing what’s in it and they wouldn’t ever get my business. Then I would return all their material in the return postage paid envelope, with other material I could squeeze into it to add weight, and returned it to them. It’s been over two years since I’ve received anything from AARP.

TulsAmerican on September 21, 2012 at 6:50 PM

So AARP..send away..it’s going straight into the can anyway.

galtg on September 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Hey, don’t waste an opportunity! Just send their flyer back to them in their own pre-paid envelope. 45¢ here, 45¢ there — it all adds up.

(Khun Joe’s brick is optional.)

:-)

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I’m not sure how much more simple this can get — which, come to think of it, is probably exactly why the Democrats feel compelled to resort to relentless, cheap demagoguery like visuals of Paul Ryan pitching Granny over the edge of a cliff. Medicare is not solvent as-is; the most significant action-item on President Obama’s part has been to raid the program on behalf of his legislative crowning jewel; and a Romney/Ryan plan would not effect anyone who’s already in or near retirement.

It is extremely simple. They were promised if they paid in, that they would be given more than they paid in. They are entitled to the wealth others created, because they voted for it. Everyone else owes them, because they sacrificed a little so they would be given much in return. They voted themselves that money and gosh darn it, that means they earned it, and how dare you imagine to take it away from them. When you change the program, that takes their numbers down, and makes their protection racket weaker and more risky. When you tell the truth, it exposes their evil and their poor planning.

astonerii on September 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM

astonerii on September 21, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Reuse , recycle. You’re good.

CW on September 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Too may old people would sell out their kids and grand kids for a government hand out. Maybe they used to be the “greatest generation”. Now, they’re a bunch of weak minded fools who only care about themselves and go to the doctor for recreation. If we want to fix Medicare, put a $50 co-pay in place. I’m in my sixties btw.

cajunpatriot on September 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM

She got pissed because her customers dared to talk back to her

The War Planner on September 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Not just AARP…when companies get too big, they tend to be like that. They figure they can lose you as a customer and it’s no big deal to them,.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 21, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Too may old people would sell out their kids and grand kids for a government hand out. Maybe they used to be the “greatest generation”. Now, they’re a bunch of weak minded fools who only care about themselves and go to the doctor for recreation. If we want to fix Medicare, put a $50 co-pay in place. I’m in my sixties btw.

cajunpatriot on September 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM

I guess some figure they’ve paid into it way back when and it’s owed to them? I can also imagine that many (no idea what percentage) are just getting by and afraid?

Either way, this boondoggle is being played by both sides.

The Dems want to get the retirees to vote for them, while the Repubs promise to cut back on these programs-won’t make a dent.

The debt is too high to pay off and higher taxes or a sudden rush of fiscal responsibility won’t matter. They know it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM

They endorsed it because they are set to make a killing off of it. When Medicare advantage gets wiped out because of obamacare AARP will be right there to take over.

Ta111 on September 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM

That was exactly the plan. They negotiated selling out their souls to the Dems if the Dems would wipe out Medicare Advantage. Bingo, AARP endorses Obamacare, because now their gap-filling plan is there to take the place of Medicare Advantage.

Once again, paying off bribes, and picking winners. SOP for this bunch.

Tenwheeler on September 21, 2012 at 7:34 PM

I watched the whole speech. It was very good. When they started booing, he just said I expected to get some. Keep his cool and really explained things in a way even the dumbest ones there could get.

He then took 3 questions from the audience (which was all they allowed) with great ease.

I really admire him for doing this.

Barred on September 21, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Too may old people would sell out their kids and grand kids for a government hand out. Maybe they used to be the “greatest generation”. Now, they’re a bunch of weak minded fools who only care about themselves and go to the doctor for recreation. If we want to fix Medicare, put a $50 co-pay in place. I’m in my sixties btw.

cajunpatriot on September 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM

You do know there is a co-pay already, right?

And many people on Medicare pay up to $110 a month for it and then more for their drug coverage. And since Medicare only pays some of the expenses, most people have to buy a Medigap policy from a private insurance company to cover the difference, so there’s another monthly payment.

The seniors I know aren’t going to the doctor for recreation, but then you probably know many of these seniors and their finances personally.

Medicare is a bad deal but it isn’t going away any time soon, too many people, including insurance companies, have too much invested in it. Now Medicaid and SSI are the real culprits int this mess. Don’t forget those seniors who are very low income get Medicaid instead of Medicare.

Deanna on September 21, 2012 at 7:48 PM

The truth hurts..AARP sold out their members.

Terrye on September 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Medicare is a bad deal but it isn’t going away any time soon, too many people, including insurance companies, have too much invested in it. Now Medicaid and SSI are the real culprits int this mess. Don’t forget those seniors who are very low income get Medicaid instead of Medicare.

Deanna on September 21, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I read somewhere that Medicare pays for about 60% of the costs…beneficiaries pay a great deal of the rest themselves…

Terrye on September 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I read somewhere that Medicare pays for about 60% of the costs…beneficiaries pay a great deal of the rest themselves…

Terrye on September 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

It can be as much as 80% but there is a cap after that too. And there are lots of things it doesn’t cover at all. A lengthy hospital stay and after care can bankrupt a person on Medicare. I know of people getting $700 a month on SSA and still paying the $110 for Medicare. Doesn’t leave them much to live on.

I think some people who post here think Medicare is free to the recipient. It’s not. They may be confusing it with Medicaid.

Deanna on September 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Did we just have a thread where Obama put a bunch of people on vouchers just after his convention? I wish Rep. Ryan had mentioned that.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Reuse , recycle. You’re good.

CW on September 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Says the one whose only real attack line is, OMG you said that before!

Irony!

Do ever say anything worth reading? Just wondering…

astonerii on September 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Yep. They sold their souls(and credibility) for billions.

Doughboy on September 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

They stand to make a fortune off of ‘supplemental plans.’
AARLP has been a left organization forever.

chewmeister on September 21, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Deanna on September 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

If their income is only $700 a month, most likely they could qualify for medicaid and not have to pay their medicare fee for part B. I know a few people in this exact situation.

Barred on September 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

I read somewhere that Medicare pays for about 60% of the costs…beneficiaries pay a great deal of the rest themselves…

Terrye on September 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

The problem being that the first 60% is taken from someone else who is not eligible for the benefit.

They passed social security such that at the time the age of eligibility most people had died by that age. Of course, it was not locked in that the age should increase as the average lifespan increased. So every generation gets a worse deal than the last.

It gets even worse when you look what those generations do… Since they will not have to rely on their own children to help them in their old age, they stopped getting married and having children. Relying on other people’s children to pay the bills they create which are their own responsibility.

But they were not and are not satisfied with that… No no no, they need to spend more money than they are willing to tax, thereby increasing on those few children the added burden of paying the interest of the debt they did not create or benefit from.

But hey, that is OK, because Romney and Ryan are going to arrange it so that future generations can keep on getting screwed by the policies the past generations put up to enrich themselves with.

Explain to my why I should feel sorry for an older person who refused to fix the system with their votes and continue to do so now? Obviously MOST people did not want it changed, or the politicians would have cashed in on those votes…

astonerii on September 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

AARP has their lips firmly planted on the Barker’s butt-cheeks…why would Ryan go there?…it would be like Joe Biteme sitting on Rush’s lap during an EIB broadcast!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

No surprise here – AARP endorsed Obamacare.

tdpwells on September 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Because insurance peddled by that wicked organization profits from ObamaCare.

itsnotaboutme on September 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM

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