Chick-fil-A: No, we didn’t promise the Chicago alderman we’d stop giving to anti-SSM groups

posted at 7:35 pm on September 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Help me figure this out. Two days ago, the local ward boss in Chicago declared victory in getting Chick-fil-A to agree not to donate to groups opposed to legalizing gay marriage as a condition of granting them a permit to open a new franchise in his district. Quote:

As a result of the negotiations, Mr. Moreno received a letter signed by John E. Featherston Jr., a senior director of real estate for Chick-fil-A, stating, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”

Mr. Moreno said in an interview Wednesday that he believes the company will stop “using money to fund groups that have antigay causes. They have committed in writing they will not do that.”

Yesterday, Chick-fil-A released the following statement:

“For many months now, Chick-fil-A’s corporate giving has been mischaracterized,” executives said in today’s statement. “And while our sincere intent has been to remain out of this political and social debate, events from Chicago this week have once again resulted in questions around our giving. For that reason, we want to provide some context and clarity around who we are, what we believe and our priorities in relation to corporate giving.

“A part of our corporate commitment is to be responsible stewards of all that God has entrusted to us. Because of this commitment, Chick-fil-A’s giving heritage is focused on programs that educate youth, strengthen families and enrich marriages, and support communities. We will continue to focus our giving in those areas. Our intent is not to support political or social agendas.

“As we have stated, the Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender. We will continue this tradition in the over 1,600 restaurants run by independent Owner/Operators.”

Hmmm. Not clear where they stand? Then maybe today’s statement, posted on Mike Huckabee’s site, will set you straight:

“There continues to be erroneous implications in the media that Chick-fil-A changed our practices and priorities in order to obtain permission for a new restaurant in Chicago. That is incorrect. Chick-fil-A made no such concessions, and we remain true to who we are and who we have been.”

What wrinkle here am I missing? Note that in the letter to Moreno, the Chicago alderman, they never explicitly said they’d stop funding anti-SSM groups; they merely said that they’d “take a much closer look” at the groups they were donating to. Yesterday’s statement seems to draw a subtle distinction between groups with “political agendas” and programs that “strengthen families and enrich marriages,” as if there’s no overlap potentially between those concepts. Essentially, as I read it, they’re suggesting that their donations to groups opposed to legalizing gay marriage aren’t really “political” donations but merely funding for “stronger families.” Is that the loophole they had in mind when they wrote to Moreno, or is there some other nuance here that’s escaping me? And if they planned to thwart Moreno all along, why reveal the plan so soon when he can still block their new franchise? Better to either string him along for awhile until the new business is up and running or just sue him outright and demand that the city protect their First Amendment rights to support the causes they favor.

Or is there an entirely different loophole at work here, with Chick-fil-A now determined to continue steering money to anti-SSM groups but not through their own charity? Slate notes that CFA’s latest charity event includes registration forms that ask donors to send the money directly to the organization being sponsored rather than to Chick-fil-A’s charitable foundation. They’re still raising money for their cause, in other words, they’re just not acting as a direct financial conduit. Problem is, that contradicts today’s statement insisting that the company hasn’t changed its practices at all. What am I missing here?


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MM filet them too.

Schadenfreude on September 21, 2012 at 7:37 PM

I’m tired of this mess. Eat mor chikin and get on with it.

Philly on September 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Isn’t the real story here a politician demanding free speech concessions in order for citizens to enjoy their natural rights? This is liberal fascism straight up.

gwelf on September 21, 2012 at 7:41 PM

If you read closely, there is a loophole here:

Chick-fil-A’s giving heritage is focused on programs that educate youth, strengthen families and enrich marriages, and support communities.

“As we have stated, the Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender.

So corporate gives the way they always have, and customers are treated the way they always have been.

Moreno is spinning like a top to justify having to allow Chick fil A in his ward as it brings much needed jobs.

Mitsouko on September 21, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Only a moral relativist would have trouble understanding this, AP… supporting families is not a political issue, or shouldn’t be. It only becomes a political issue when someone decides to *make* a political issue of it (you know, the LEFT). That’s not Chick-fil-A’s fault, nor their problem. Giving credence to the left’s hysteria only lessens your own credibility.

fabrexe on September 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Or is there an entirely different loophole at work here, with Chick-fil-A now determined to continue steering money to anti-SSM groups but not through their own charity?

Why does Allahpundit repeatedly use terminology (e.g., “anti-gay marriage”) preferred by liberals? Using this kind of language is often meant to cast the pro-traditional marriage activists in a negative light, suggesting they are ought to deny the rights of others. Why not describe Chick-fil-A as pro-traditional marriage?

In itself, the choice of words doesn’t seem like a big deal, and maybe it’s not. But it just makes me wonder.

Does Allahpundit also describe pro-life people as anti-choice?

bluegill on September 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM

a senior director of real estate for Chick-fil-A

Has exactly how much importance in a franchised retail organization?

Maybe Chick-Fil-HATE(!) has some truly artistic franchising arrangement, or this guy has an interesting title, but otherwise…ahem?

CorporatePiggy on September 21, 2012 at 7:51 PM

*ought=out

bluegill on September 21, 2012 at 7:51 PM

I see a couple of things here.

I see a power-hungry alderman and a sycophantic media that’s too happy to kiss his @$$. When that’s going on, of course CFA looks like the bad guy.

And I see a struggle between CFA and the alderman to control the conversation. CFA believes that donating to groups that support marriage is are apolitical actions, and the alderman & his acolytes want to change the conversation to say that CFA donates to anti-gay groups, and drag dirty politics into this issue.

22044 on September 21, 2012 at 7:52 PM

o/t

For the “There he goes again” file…

“The stuff they do on hard wood, it blows my mind.”

- Joe Biden on college cheerleaders

lol

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/21/biden-on-cheerleaders-the-stuff-they-do-on-hard-wood-it-blows-my-mind/

Resist We Much on September 21, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Isn’t the real story here a politician demanding free speech concessions in order for citizens to enjoy their natural rights? This is liberal fascism straight up.

gwelf on September 21, 2012 at 7:41 PM

This^

chewmeister on September 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Good for C-F-A… keep building new restaurants… keep expanding…

Khun Joe on September 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM

It seems like the Chicago thug Morono was successful in extorting a nice chunk of cash from CFA for himself , muslims and some LGBTQRSTLMNOP groups .

burrata on September 21, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Well, when politicians make social and moral issues political, it then forces the moral issues into the political realm. Gay marriage is not a political issue, it’s a moral issue and as such, certainly remains within the religious realm. The fact that politicians are trying to force religious institutions to recognize it or to refrain from expressing their conscience is politics forcing its will on religion, not the other way around. If the charitable trust Chick-Fil-A runs was supporting organizations that promoted moral standards, it is not the fault of CFA that politicians have decided to interfere with moral positions.

I think what this does is put the Chicago City Council into a very bad position. If they now deny the permit after the alderman made the statement he did, CFA has a very strong legal position to argue that the city is attempting to force a company to adopt a specific set of moral guidelines as defined by the city council before being issued a permit and is thus interfering with free association and religious rights.

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Chick-fil-A: 1,000,000
Chicago: 0

SouthernGent on September 21, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I thought the Chicago clown (the alderman in this case, not Obama) claimed the other day he had it all in writing?

I say the alderman put up or shut up. Let’s see the papers he claims to have if, like Bam-bam’s Harvard grades, those too aren’t a pipe dream.

viking01 on September 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Resist We Much on September 21, 2012 at 7:53 PM

lol oh man..Joe does say the darndest things..too freaking funny

sadsushi on September 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Of course they didn’t…think we all knew that.

“As we have stated, the Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender.

Not good enough for the Marxists and their Dem allies. They want them to be open on Sunday and to give millions to the DNC.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM

…tastes like chicken!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Why does Allahpundit repeatedly use terminology (e.g., “anti-gay marriage”) preferred by liberals?

bluegill on September 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Allahpundit is all about the radical progressive homosexual agenda.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I thought it was one franchise that bowed to the left’s demands, while the company as a whole didn’t make any promises.

Mr. Prodigy on September 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Typical Dem problem. Their ears don’t work when their mouth is open so wide.

seven on September 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Eat more chikin!

PS: Alah, we’re not, “anti SSM.”

They’re anti-marriage, and anti-Christian.

We’re pro-marriage.

Why surrender the language to these haters?

TitularHead on September 21, 2012 at 8:04 PM

AP: You’re missing the obvious. CFA is re-stating the basis for their fund-raising and providing clarity in response to the Alderman’s statement, which in turn is an open and blatant attempt to claim victory and establish his virtue and diligence. From the moment I heard this, and especially when I heard about Mr. Moreno’s claim that ‘extensive negotiations’ were involved, it smelled of self-interest (the Alderman’s.)

Corporate Piggy: Franchise operations rely extensively on corporate real estate specialists to run interference for their franchisees when a site is selected/targeted for development. Zoning and other local ordinances can be a minefield and add tremendously to construction costs if they aren’t understood and/or monitored. Your bias is clearly warping your perspective on this and it has hung you up over a news story detail that is generally irrelavent.

ronco on September 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I had surmised wrongly the other day and I am self correcting myself.

I surmised that CFA was saying what it said as a way to protect its bottom line, I was out of line.

I too take umbrige at the language AP is using…

And I agree with 22044…and Bluegill…

The Alderman is making this a political issue, whereas CFA is not.

Should it matter to anyone to whom a Business donates?

The fact that in the beginning someone felt slighted by CFA is their own problem and it should not have become a national nor political issue…

Meanwhile, I Love me some Chikken!!

Scrumpy on September 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Why does Allahpundit repeatedly use terminology (e.g., “anti-gay marriage”) preferred by liberals?

bluegill on September 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Allahpundit is all about the radical progressive homosexual agenda.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

He gives all indications that this is true. However, I happen to know that it can’t be true, because Allahpundit is madly in love with Sarah Palin.

Old Country Boy on September 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

bluegill on September 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM

If you don’t like AllahP’s phraseology, here are some other links you might like:

http://www.howtostartablog.org
http://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Blog
http://www.problogger.net/archives/2006/02/14/blogging-for-beginners-2/

Allahpundit is all about the radical progressive homosexual agenda.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Did you by chance drop a /sarc tag?

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Well, when politicians make social and moral issues political, it then forces the moral issues into the political realm. Gay marriage is not a political issue, it’s a moral issue and as such, certainly remains within the religious realm. The fact that politicians are trying to force religious institutions to recognize it or to refrain from expressing their conscience is politics forcing its will on religion, not the other way around. If the charitable trust Chick-Fil-A runs was supporting organizations that promoted moral standards, it is not the fault of CFA that politicians have decided to interfere with moral positions.

I think what this does is put the Chicago City Council into a very bad position. If they now deny the permit after the alderman made the statement he did, CFA has a very strong legal position to argue that the city is attempting to force a company to adopt a specific set of moral guidelines as defined by the city council before being issued a permit and is thus interfering with free association and religious rights.

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 7:56 PM

agreed….. Allah is way too cynical.. it’s not a political issue, it’s a family oriented one.. which the left has forced into the political arena… and not just forced.. but made into a life or death struggle.

It’s a moral family issue to me.. and even if the left won, and forced every church to renounce parts of the Bible at gun point, I would still not agree to SSM. Right is right, even if wrong has an armored division.

mark81150 on September 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

because Allahpundit is madly in love with Sarah Palin.

Old Country Boy on September 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

@_@

burrata on September 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

a senior director of real estate for Chick-fil-A

Has exactly how much importance in a franchised retail organization?

Maybe Chick-Fil-HATE(!) has some truly artistic franchising arrangement, or this guy has an interesting title, but otherwise…ahem?

CorporatePiggy on September 21, 2012 at 7:51 PM

A senior director of real estate probably has not only the business degree specializing in real estate but has the specialty law degree as well. Franchisees may pitch a location to the licensing corporation, but they do not have the final say. No corporation such as this would allow development of an outlet statistically doomed to failure. Expertise in site location, development, and governmental agency navigation is a large part of what the franchisee is buying. The return to the parent corporation is in profit sharing, if only by purchase of to-be-resold product, and a sustaining of reputation.

This director would report directly to the CFO. A very important role indeed.

Maroon.

M240H on September 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Should it matter to anyone to whom a Business donates?

Scrumpy on September 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

More importantly, if the alderman can dictate where a company cannot donate; what is to prevent a future alderman from dictating where a company must donate? This would have all the appearances of bribery and extortion. Really, that alderman should be investigated on corruption charges. What a company does with its profits should not have any bearing upon whether that company is fit to open a business in an area.

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Did you by chance drop a /sarc tag?

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Absolutely not.

He is a homosexual “marriage” activist, period.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Old Country Boy on September 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Yep. Anyone who constantly disses a pretty lady like that is bound to be warm for her form.

viking01 on September 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Cripes almighty! The whole Chik-Fil-A saga is over and done with already. Their execs should be able to donate money to anyone they choose. If an individual or group decides to boycott the chain because of the CEO’s marriage views, go right ahead. You don’t have to dine there.

These liberal politicians are simply riling-up another special interest minority group and trying to make it seem they have your back. They do this to all minorities, and they fall for it every time.

I swear, the militant lefty gay orgs are doing far, far more damage to the gay marriage “equality” cause. They’re the ones in the news and reported on blogs, while gay dudes like me…and there are far more in this group than in the stereotypical flamboyant gay libs. Chances are, you’d never know by seeing us or talking with us. And the media ignores us.

It’s really no wonder why some of my righty comrades have that mental image of the stereotype…it’s all the nation sees of gays.

JetBoy on September 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Corporate Piggy: Franchise operations rely extensively on corporate real estate specialists to run interference for their franchisees when a site is selected/targeted for development. Zoning and other local ordinances can be a minefield and add tremendously to construction costs if they aren’t understood and/or monitored. Your bias is clearly warping your perspective on this and it has hung you up over a news story detail that is generally irrelavent.

ronco on September 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I didn’t mean to piss in your cornflakes pal and that may be true for some operations but it certainly is not for all. I believe it is McDonalds in the UK, for example, will sell you a franchise and you are basically on your own pal. Zoning, politics, hiring, marketing (oh yeah sure there’s ‘support’ but it is minimal. There’s no running of interference by a ‘senior director of real estate’ – whatever the hell that is.

Hey, maybe Chick-Fil-A really does baby their franchisees?

Or maybe they take the money and run until it looks like there might be a corporate PR problem in the making and then they wade in like they are here.

And yes, I’m throwing a tangent. Isn’t it fun though?

CorporatePiggy on September 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Allahpundit is all about the radical progressive homosexual agenda.
Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I really believe he would characterize himself as a social libertarian whatever that agenda entails.
.
I do believe that he , along with way too many on the ostensibly conservative side , reflexively accept and conform to the intimidating drumbeat of the parameters and conventions of the left as to what political and social positions are acceptable .

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on September 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

because Allahpundit is madly in love with Sarah Palin Meggie Mac.

Old Country Boy on September 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

FIFY :-)

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Well, when politicians make social and moral issues political, it then forces the moral issues into the political realm. Gay marriage is not a political issue, it’s a moral issue and as such, certainly remains within the religious realm. The fact that politicians are trying to force religious institutions to recognize it or to refrain from expressing their conscience is politics forcing its will on religion, not the other way around. If the charitable trust Chick-Fil-A runs was supporting organizations that promoted moral standards, it is not the fault of CFA that politicians have decided to interfere with moral positions.

I think what this does is put the Chicago City Council into a very bad position. If they now deny the permit after the alderman made the statement he did, CFA has a very strong legal position to argue that the city is attempting to force a company to adopt a specific set of moral guidelines as defined by the city council before being issued a permit and is thus interfering with free association and religious rights.

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Thanks, AZ. That is (IMHO) one of the best and most succinct arguments I’ve heard.

Hope you won’t mind my using it in the future with my lib acquaintances.

Regards.

GrannyDee on September 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Absolutely not.

He is a homosexual “marriage” activist, period.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

That is as may be, but inquiring minds want to know – does Allah eat Chick-Fil-Hate?

CorporatePiggy on September 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I really believe he would characterize himself as a social libertarian whatever that agenda entails.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on September 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Perhaps.

My characterization stands, in any case.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Allahpundit is all about the radical progressive homosexual agenda.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Did you by chance drop a /sarc tag?

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I won’t even try and figure AP out.. just say he’s an iconoclast.. and follows his own path even when it goes against the consensus.. and leave it there..

He’s clearly on the right, even when he has differences..

something that can be said of most of us.

mark81150 on September 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I was confused yesterday but waited for clarification. This is just the typical Chicago spin with an extra helping of deviance from the lefturd slimestream media. Rahmbo probably threatened to beat the crap out of Moreno if he didn’t pretend like he got the upper hand. Moreno is just another Chi-town flunky who doesn’t get it that extortion is illegal and he blinked when Chik-fil-A threatened to sue.

stukinIL4now on September 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

It’s a moral family issue to me.. and even if the left won, and forced every church to renounce parts of the Bible at gun point, I would still not agree to SSM. Right is right, even if wrong has an armored division.

mark81150 on September 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Mark, and would willingly stand side-by-side with you against that armored division.

GrannyDee on September 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

And yes, I’m throwing a tangent. Isn’t it fun though?

CorporatePiggy on September 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Not really. One shouldn’t derive pleasure from another’s beclowning of himself.

M240H on September 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Help me figure this out. Two days ago, the local ward boss in Chicago declared victory in getting Chick-fil-A to agree not to donate to groups opposed to legalizing gay marriage as a condition of granting them a permit to open a new franchise in his district

Chicago.

Right there’s your clue.

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Not really. One shouldn’t derive pleasure from another’s beclowning of himself.

M240H on September 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

You can’t refute a thing I’ve said and throw out insults.

Stay classy.

CorporatePiggy on September 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

stukinIL4now on September 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I always appreciate views from those that are local to the story.

:)

22044 on September 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Allahpundit is all about the radical progressive homosexual agenda.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Oh, is he gay?

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Not really. One shouldn’t derive pleasure from another’s beclowning of himself.

M240H on September 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

I disagree. I think it’s entirely appropriate to have a good laugh at someone making a complete idiot of themselves; the only exceptions being mental illness or retardation.

MelonCollie on September 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Oh, is he gay?

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Why should that matter?

A heterosexual can be a relentless propagandist for the homosexual agenda, someone who happens to be gay can oppose same sex marriage.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Allahpundit is all about the radical progressive homosexual agenda.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Oh, is he gay?

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Worse. He likes the Honey Boo Boo of politics…Meghan McCain.

sharrukin on September 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

A heterosexual can be a relentless propagandist for the homosexual agenda, someone who happens to be gay can oppose same sex marriage.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Maybe. I have yet to meet one who is.

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

…(see: 7:59 PM)

bluegill on September 21, 2012

…smells like fish!

KOOLAID2 on September 21, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Chick-fil-A’s giving heritage is focused on programs that educate youth, strengthen families and enrich marriages, and support communities.

Maybe Chick-Fil-HATE(!) has some truly artistic franchising arrangement, or this guy has an interesting title, but otherwise…ahem?

CorporatePiggy on September 21, 2012 at 7:51 PM

So why do you…

HATE educating youth
HATE strengthening families
HATE enriching marriages
…and…
HATE supporting communities

????

Seems they aren’t the ones with the HATE problem.

dominigan on September 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

He is a homosexual “marriage” activist, period.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Supporter, yes. Activist — not that I’ve seen.

I won’t even try and figure AP out.. just say he’s an iconoclast.. and follows his own path even when it goes against the consensus.. and leave it there..

He’s clearly on the right, even when he has differences..

something that can be said of most of us.

mark81150 on September 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I think that’s well said.

Sometimes I think we forget that, to us readers, blogs are “free ice cream”, and it’s churlish to complain about the flavor or quantity of ice cream if you’re getting it free.

It seems to me that most bloggers don’t want their readers to be “yes-men” (with the possible exception of he-who-shall-not-be-named), but I don’t think it’s asking too much for readers who want to argue with the bloghost to be polite about it, and not call names or be insulting.

Blogging every day, day in and day out, must be very hard work. I tried blogging for a while and couldn’t make a go of it. Just as I really appreciate how hard waiters and waitresses work from having been a waitress myself, I appreciate the hard work of bloggers who do what I can’t do, and who aren’t asking anything of me except to be respectful and not stir up $#!+ just to get my jollies.

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Help me figure this out. Two days ago, the local ward boss in Chicago declared victory in getting Chick-fil-A to agree not to donate to groups opposed to legalizing gay marriage as a condition of granting them a permit to open a new franchise in his district.

And, of course, Chicago ward bosses never lie.
CFA is a privately-held national company. They have a long history of supporting traditional marriage as the family value. It is part of the reason they are not open on Sundays. To think that a thug from ward in Chicago is going to change that value is absurd. They don’t need to open a franchise in a particular ward of Chicago and no posturing ward boss is going to change that dynamic. The only losers here are those who would have been able to buy “hate chicken” in that particular location.

Happy Nomad on September 21, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Maybe. I have yet to meet one who is.

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I’ve only met one gay person in my life who was actually against same-sex marriage, and as we were both teenagers at the time, his mind may have changed since then. :-) That said, I have met several who were basically indifferent to it.

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

What am I missing here?

How about Moreno lied?

I mean, seriously, you think a Chicago politician is going to tell the truth about something–anything–if it’s not to his advantage?

INC on September 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Supporter, yes. Activist — not that I’ve seen.

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

He’s never found a pro-homosexual marriage push-poll that he didn’t inflict on us conservative “h8ers”.

It’s a matter of opinion of course, in mine he has well exceed the threshold of activism.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

The Huckster repeated his findings just now on BOR. No fold.

slickwillie2001 on September 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

He’s never found a pro-homosexual marriage push-poll that he didn’t inflict on us conservative “h8ers”.

It’s a matter of opinion of course, in mine he has well exceed the threshold of activism.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I dunno. It seems to me that writing about a pro-same-sex-marriage poll is about as persuasive to this crowd as writing about an “Obama up by a bazillion” poll is — which is to say, not very much at all.

Besides, I think it’s generally unwise to read only polls whose results make me feel happy and safe. Who wants to live in a bubble?

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Told ya.. ;)

wolly4321 on September 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

A heterosexual can be a relentless propagandist for the homosexual agenda, someone who happens to be gay can oppose same sex marriage.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Interesting word choice.

A heterosexual can be a relentless propagandist. But a homosexual happens to be gay?

Think about it. A heterosexual who is a relentless propagandist for gays is generally assumed to be a closeted gay. And at the same time, someone who is gay but opposes SSM is also called closeted gay.

We are at least a decade away from the demands of the queer caucus. And before anybody gets offended, if a show like queer eye gets on television, there should be no harm in using the term describe homosexuals. It’s also part of the reason why homosexuals are not as mainstream as they would like. The image of gays come from “pride parades” and not the gays one might find in their everyday life. Hard to find much in common with a thong clad idiot on a float.

Happy Nomad on September 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Who cares, why can’t we leave these people alone to succeed or fail on their product and service. Just how divided do we want this country to be?

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Who wants to live in a bubble?

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Interesting word choice.

Happy Nomad on September 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Putting aside the word parsing and psychobabble, I’m hardly the only one who has noticed the distinct tilt in favor of homosexual “marriage” on this blog.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Let’s put it this way, if a CHICAGO “alderman” told me it was raining……….I’d go outside and check.

GarandFan on September 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Worse. He likes the Honey Boo Boo of politics…Meghan McCain.

sharrukin on September 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

The Rich Man’s Snooki

Resist We Much on September 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Maybe. I have yet to meet one who is.

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I’ve only met one gay person in my life who was actually against same-sex marriage, and as we were both teenagers at the time, his mind may have changed since then. :-) That said, I have met several who were basically indifferent to it.

Mary in LA on September 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I should have been more clear. I have yet to meet a straight guy who is an activist for gay issues. Most of the straight guys I know are either against gay marriage or indifferent to it. And even the ones who support it don’t support it so strongly that they’d actually do anything about it. I just don’t think many straight men would be activists for gay marriage.

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Worse. He likes the Honey Boo Boo of politics…Meghan McCain.

sharrukin on September 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

No way! Seriously? You’re joking, right? LOL!

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

He is a homosexual “marriage” activist, period.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Off your meds again I see…

For someone who doesn’t give a rat’s *ss about gays and some dark “agenda” we’re all apparently a part of…including tearing down Christianity and working towards the destruction of Western Civilization as we know it…you sure do post quite a lot on the HotAir gay-themed threads.

A lot.

I’m not totally convinced you’re not suppressing a little something-something yourself o_O

You know what they say about those who doth protest to much…

JetBoy on September 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

’m not totally convinced you’re not suppressing a little something-something yourself o_O

You know what they say about those who doth protest to much…

JetBoy on September 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

You’re back on the “Rebar is a closet homo” kick again?

Pathetic.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Hope you won’t mind my using it in the future with my lib acquaintances.

GrannyDee on September 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Not at all, I’m flattered.

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

You’re back on the “Rebar is a closet homo” kick again?

Pathetic.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 9:09 PM

What’s “pathetic” is your fascination of gay-themed posts around here, and all the while you do nothing but b*tch and moan about gays and anything gay-related.

Yet you come into these threads, take off your coat, and sit down…repeating time after time after time your inane and illogical anti-gay tripe. You criticize AP for posting gay threads, but lo…you don’t seem to ever miss the chance to hang out on one every time.

Makes no sense…unless…

JetBoy on September 21, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Makes no sense…unless…

JetBoy on September 21, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Typical progressive projection – I post in a wide variety of topics and subjects, I only ever see you in the gay topics.

And so what if I was a homosexual? How would that invalidate my posts in any way? It wouldn’t. In fact in your liberal worldview, that would give them even more credibility.

Your attempts to somehow scare me by insinuating that I’m a homosexual are laughable and, once again, pathetic. Why anyone thinks you’re anything but a Moby is beyond my understanding.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Me: I love Chick-fil-A’s Chargrilled Chicken Club Sandwich.

Pee Wee Herman: If you love it so much, why don’t you marry it?

Cue “fruit salad” wedding.

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on September 21, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Moreno set a trap. Now CFA has fallen into it. Moreno knows they have to respond. As soon as they do, they are back in the cross-hairs.

faraway on September 21, 2012 at 9:28 PM

The AP is saying they caved…I’ve seen atleast 3 articles.

tomas on September 21, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Right is right, even if wrong has an armored division.

mark81150 on September 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I love that! It’s so true!

kakypat on September 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM

This is suspicious. Up until Chick fil A clarifies its mind, I am not patronizing any of its restaurants. If they caved in, there are worse than the pro gay zealots themselves.

p_incorrect on September 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Note that in the letter to Moreno, the Chicago alderman, they never explicitly said they’d stop funding anti-SSM groups; they merely said that they’d “take a much closer look” at the groups they were donating to.

I thought it was pretty obvious from the language that Chick-fil-A had made no such concession. Too funny.

Moreno set a trap. Now CFA has fallen into it. Moreno knows they have to respond. As soon as they do, they are back in the cross-hairs.

faraway on September 21, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Proco “set a trap”? That half-wit couldn’t catch his finger in a mousetrap on purpose. Dan Cathy takes craps bigger than Proco Joe.

Jaibones on September 21, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Proco “set a trap”? That half-wit couldn’t catch his finger in a mousetrap on purpose. Dan Cathy takes craps bigger than Proco Joe.

Jaibones on September 21, 2012 at 9:39 PM

The trap is on the other foot, I would think. Now, if he tried to retroactively stop the store from opening, it’d be a clear violation.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM

This is suspicious. Up until Chick fil A clarifies its mind, I am not patronizing any of its restaurants. If they caved in, there are worse than the pro gay zealots themselves.

p_incorrect on September 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Listen to yourself, you knucklehead. You think Cathy has more to lose than this two-bit buttsniffer Moreno? Child, please…

Jaibones on September 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Proco “set a trap”? That half-wit couldn’t catch his finger in a mousetrap on purpose. Dan Cathy takes craps bigger than Proco Joe.

Jaibones on September 21, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Here is the proof…

Up until Chick fil A clarifies its mind, I am not patronizing any of its restaurants. If they caved in, there are worse than the pro gay zealots themselves.

p_incorrect on September 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM

There are many many more of these.

CFA has to clarify. Then, when they do, they will be in the cross-hairs of the gay mafia again. Moreno may not have thought it up, but it’s a beautiful political trap.

faraway on September 21, 2012 at 9:46 PM

A heterosexual can be a relentless propagandist for the homosexual agenda, someone who happens to be gay can oppose same sex marriage.

Rebar on September 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Maybe. I have yet to meet one who is.

dukecitygirl on September 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

During the marriage debate in Oregon, there were plenty of ads starring heteros who espoused SSM, and plenty of ads starring gays who opposed it.

It was a strange election year. ;o)

kakypat on September 21, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Actually the Chicago Way has fallen into its own trap.

Chick-fil-A has the advantage of being the strong reputable outsider being obviously harassed for protection by the Rahm and his Tinkerbell Mafia.

viking01 on September 21, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Listen to yourself, you knucklehead. You think Cathy has more to lose than this two-bit buttsniffer Moreno? Child, please…

Jaibones on September 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

I just listened to Huckabee and he didn’t go as far as to say that, after speaking to Cathy, CFA will continue to fund organizations that defend traditional marriage. So, I am confused and up until Cathy/CFA clarify this in no ambiguous terms, my fast food dollars will go somewhere else.

p_incorrect on September 21, 2012 at 10:13 PM

sharrukin on September 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Oh man, is that every funny. Classic.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Has anyone seen this letter that Moron-o says that he got?
I don’t believe anything that a lib/Dem/leftist claims without hard evidence.

Off to Chick-fil-A for me tomorrow. Delicious, juicy, crispy nuggets dipped alternately in Honey Mustard and Polynesian sowse. With waffle fries. Mercy.

justltl on September 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Politics is to morality, as matter is to anti-matter.

OldEnglish on September 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Chicago like California and NYC, Philadelphia, Detroit and probably Boston are just lost.

They will eventually have to file for bankruptcy and lets hope the gop won’t bail them out and they are in charge in DC, when it happens or we’ll have a Bailout that will DWARF the GM and TARP crapola.

Inner cities are Progressives’ petri dish.

PappyD61 on September 21, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I’m not totally convinced you’re not suppressing a little something-something yourself o_O

You know what they say about those who doth protest to much…

JetBoy

I guess that means most everyone here is really a closet liberal then, seeing as how we all dislike Obama and the left so much.

xblade on September 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Note that in the letter to Moreno, the Chicago alderman, they never explicitly said they’d stop funding anti-SSM groups; they merely said that they’d “take a much closer look” at the groups they were donating to.

Paging the grammar police; does that sentence end correctly?

whatcat on September 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

You know what they say about those who doth protest to much…
JetBoy

I guess that means most everyone here is really a closet liberal then, seeing as how we all dislike Obama and the left so much.
xblade on September 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

And vice versa for those who are ardent Obama supporters. This will wreak havoc with the pollsters.

whatcat on September 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

because Allahpundit is madly in love with Sarah Palin Meggie Mac.

Old Country Boy on September 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

FIFY :-)

AZfederalist on September 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Oh, that’s right. Think she broke his heart with her inane meanderings tho.

What’s with the AP h8 lately?

kim roy on September 21, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Generally, I just skip over anything with AP’s byline. I find that it works just fine for me.

Tried this one just to get the sense of the comments. Like most forums, it was generally a waste of time. Not to say that there are not excellent ones to be found.

I like Chick Fil A. I think their restaurants are well run and the food is pretty good for that type of venue. I really like that the Corporation stands for something and doesn’t cave to pressure when it comes to their beliefs. So rare these days.

Oldflyer on September 21, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Kari was right.

balkanmom on September 22, 2012 at 12:26 AM

What’s with the AP h8 lately?

kim roy on September 21, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Hate?

I don’t think anyone who’s been here any length of time, would deny that AP is a advocate for homosexual marriage, DADT repeal, or any other item of their agenda. He’s been a tireless advocate for a long time, he pretty much admitted same when he was despondent over the defeat of same sex marriage in North Carolina.

That’s not hate, it’s the simple truth.

Rebar on September 22, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Paging the grammar police; does that sentence end correctly?

whatcat on September 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Yes. It could be rewritten as “groups to whom they were donating,” but it is correct either way. (Source: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/ending-prepositions.aspx) (If you don’t accept Grammar Girl as an authority, there are plenty of other grammar sites that say the same thing: Prepositions at the end of a sentence are fine. Rewriting sentences to avoid ending them with a preposition can result in unnecessary wordiness or obnoxiously formal sentences. The real issue is whether a preposition is necessary. In the case of the most common example of a preposition error– “Where is it at?” –the “at” is wrong because it is unnecessary.)

Oh…and I don’t consider myself a member of the grammar police–far from it. I only dispense grammar grace–jumping in to defend, not to condemn. :)

butterflies and puppies on September 22, 2012 at 1:29 AM

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