UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs

posted at 9:03 pm on September 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

Alarming, not because you or I take this stooge seriously but because lots of dopey liberals do, and not just here in the U.S. At a moment when the left’s dimmer lights are taking a second look at blasphemy laws, it’s repulsive that a guy charged with defending human rights would equivocate on speech. But not surprising: The Organization of the Islamic Conference has used the UN for years as a platform to push anti-blasphemy resolutions. That’s textbook Islamism, exploiting an ostensibly liberal institution to advance illiberal goals. Say what you want about Ban, but he’s speaking for an awful lot of his constituents here.

“Freedoms of expression should be and must be guaranteed and protected, when they are used for common justice, common purpose,” Ban told a news conference.

“When some people use this freedom of expression to provoke or humiliate some others’ values and beliefs, then this cannot be protected in such a way.”

“My position is that freedom of expression, while it is a fundamental right and privilege, should not be abused by such people, by such a disgraceful and shameful act,” he said.

Just once, I’d like someone taking this position to say clearly, “I don’t believe in free speech.” Notice how they never do that? Even when they’re carving out huge chunks of their principles to protect the tender sensibilities of rioting barbarians, they’re always careful to say that they believe in a baseline right of free expression. Either that’s cognitive dissonance at work or, somehow, they honestly can’t see the contradiction. A little reality check from liberal atheist Sam Harris:

The contagion of moral cowardice [after the Mohammed movie broke into the news] followed its usual course, wherein liberal journalists and pundits began to reconsider our most basic freedoms in light of the sadomasochistic fury known as “religious sensitivity” among Muslims. Contributors to The New York Times and NPR spoke of the need to find a balance between free speech and freedom of religion—as though the latter could possibly be infringed by a YouTube video. As predictable as Muslim bullying has become, the moral confusion of secular liberals appears to be part of the same clockwork…

What exactly was in the film? Who made it? What were their motives? Was Muhammad really depicted? Was that a Qur’an burning, or some other book? Questions of this kind are obscene. Here is where the line must be drawn and defended without apology: We are free to burn the Qur’an or any other book, and to criticize Muhammad or any other human being. Let no one forget it…

The freedom to think out loud on certain topics, without fear of being hounded into hiding or killed, has already been lost. And the only forces on earth that can recover it are strong, secular governments that will face down charges of blasphemy with scorn. No apologies necessary. Muslims must learn that if they make belligerent and fanatical claims upon the tolerance of free societies, they will meet the limits of that tolerance.

Emphasis mine. In other news today, our friends in Pakistan declared Friday to be a national day of protest and the Organization of the Islamic Conference is mobilizing to agree on an “action plan” against blasphemy. Meanwhile, in France, the satirical paper Charlie Hebdo is being protected by riot police tonight because it dared to publish new Mohammed cartoons today. And in spite of it all, the head of the UN is busy appeasing rioters by reassuring them that there’s no right to insult their faith. Perfect.


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Pound sand.

chewmeister on September 19, 2012 at 9:05 PM

These people are incredibly dangerous and should be run out of power everywhere they are found.

tom daschle concerned on September 19, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Ban Ki Moon would shrug as he ordered you and your family to death.

tom daschle concerned on September 19, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Bishop!

chewmeister on September 19, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Whose religion did you have in mind…?

d1carter on September 19, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Ban Ban.

Dusty on September 19, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Ban the UN.

chewmeister on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM

“When some people use this freedom of expression to provoke or humiliate some others’ values and beliefs, then this cannot be protected in such a way.”

Alternate headline:

United Nations condemns Westboro Baptist Church and the US Constitution.

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Either that’s cognitive dissonance at work or, somehow, they honestly can’t see the contradiction.

Same thing.

Axe on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Human sacrifice 21st Century American style.

It would seem the Aztec High Priests of the 15th century have been reincarnated and are now in full reign at the building some still call the Pentagon.

America’s Generals are now very much like the Aztec High Priests of many centuries ago. The main difference, and it’s a relatively small one, is that instead of continually sacrificing what they regarded as their excess and disposable human property to the Sun God to try to gain benevolence and avoid wrath, America’s Generals keep trying to sacrifice America’s Constitution, and do sacrifice more and more of the lives and limbs of America’s troops, whom they regard as their excess and disposable human property, as well as hundreds of billions of dollars of America’s rapidly shrinking treasure, which although itself is of much lesser importance is still no small matter, to the gods they reverently call “The Prophet Mohammad”, “The Holy Qur’an” and “The Noble People Of Afghanistan and their Noble Muslim Culture” to try to gain benevolence and avoid wrath, and maybe even get an extra star and another few assorted colorful baubles for which to adorn themselves.

Is our military fighting for anything most Americans would regard as at all decent in Afghanistan? Certainly not our Army, nor our Marines. America’s Generals have repeatedly ordered them to respect the gods they call “The Prophet Mohammad”, “The Holy Qur’an” and “The Noble People Of Afghanistan and their Noble Muslim Culture” and if American troops get shot to death by what their Generals call their Partners in Peace, then the Generals conclude that America’s derelict and sacrilegious troops must not have respected the gods they call “The Prophet Mohammad”, “The Holy Qur’an” and “The Noble People Of Afghanistan and their Noble Muslim Culture” nearly enough and order them to take still more religious and cultural “sensitivity” training so they can better respect the Noble Muslim Culture of the Noble People of Afghanistan, maybe even enough where they can start joining in the practicing of that Noble Muslim Culture themselves, which would no doubt delight the Generals to no end.

There of course is never any “sensitivity” training ever even recommended for what America’s Generals call “The Noble People Of Afghanistan” so they might better understand and appreciate Western and American culture. But then as America’s Generals clearly must regard the Noble Muslim Culture of the Noble People of Afghanistan as being far superior to Western and American culture, they would surely regard any such thing as, well, absolutely unthinkable, and blasphemous, and upon hearing any such suggestion would no doubt order even more “sensitivity” training.
* Mainstream Noble People of Afghanistan Muslim Culture includes child rape of both young girls and young boys, torturing dogs including puppies, total enslavement of women, stoning women to death for being raped, and death to apostates, which itself covers a whole lot, just to very briefly mention a few of the highlights.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM

The problem is they are found everywhere.

wolly4321 on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs

The UN chief hurt my feelings. Shut him up!

Fallon on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM

So the same people who want to ban ChickFilA are OK with muslims sodomizing a gay Ambassador before killing him ?

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM

UN: “We are all for that free speech stuff… you know… unless its out loud.”

Warner Todd Huston on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Ban Monkey Moon just aint all that bright. This isn’t about the movie, it’s about the DATE 9/11, ring any damned bells??? Claiming the movie had anything to do with it is 100 pure bullshit.

SWalker on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM

You can burn the American flag, but not the Quran.

pedestrian on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I thought they already had a Riot Friday…?

d1carter on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Just once, I’d like someone taking this position to say clearly, “I don’t believe in free speech.” Notice how they never do that? Even when they’re carving out huge chunks of their principles to protect the tender sensibilities of rioting barbarians, they’re always careful to say that they believe in a baseline right of free expression.

As low as they are, they have America’s generals beat.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I wonder if they will wrap Bill Maher’s entire head in duct tape.

CW on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

So the same people who want to ban ChickFilA are OK with muslims sodomizing a gay Ambassador before killing him ?

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Well Duh…

SWalker on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

One World Order. How ironic, we the most powerful country in the world, eventually being ruled by tird world despots

RdLake on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Whatever happened to “Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me” ? Huh?

Now it is “Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will GET YOU KILLED INFIDEL! HASSAN CHOP!”.

Seriously. Grow up, world.

FlatFoot on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Here’s some free speech for ya…

America out of the UN…and the UN get the Hell outta my country…

BigWyo on September 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Appeasement, the meme of the left..!!!

ehlerts on September 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs

Ohh, brother. And who will be the arbiter of whose beliefs were ‘humiliated’ or ‘provoked’ and how? Why, the UN, that’s who!

I can see where all this is going and it’s not a good thing.

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

You can burn the American flag, but not the Quran.

pedestrian on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Not if we show a propensity for violence when it is done. They are teaching us how to receive respect. So noted.

CW on September 19, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Our Constitution is being watered down with caveats, ignored by a socialist president and crushed under the boots of a partisan justice department. I think one could reasonably conclude this country is in the throes of decay and decline.

rplat on September 19, 2012 at 9:12 PM

HASSAN CHOP!”.

Seriously. Grow up, world.

FlatFoot on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Wow, Bugs Bunny reference…

Well done…

I LOL’d

BigWyo on September 19, 2012 at 9:12 PM

You can burn the American flag or a Bible, in fact lots of them, but not the Quran.

pedestrian on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

This was and still must be the Petraeus Policy

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:12 PM

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs

Has this dude ever watched Network or Cable TV in the US of A?

CW on September 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Our Constitution is being watered down with caveats, ignored by a socialist president and crushed under the boots of a partisan justice department. I think one could reasonably conclude this country is in the throes of decay and decline.

rplat on September 19, 2012 at 9:12 PM

With America’s generals leading the way.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

In other news today, our friends in Pakistan declared Friday to be a national day of protest

So….like every other day over there.

Bishop on September 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Nothing like having people from repressed regimes explaining what free speech should entail…

katy on September 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Ban the UN.

chewmeister on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM

A few years ago I ended up attending a wedding in NYC (my brother, I didn’t have a choice). I got in early and was staying close to the United Nation’s building so I decided to take the tour because I was interested in the architecture. The whole organization is in such a quagmire of bureaucracy that it is still a perfect example of mid-century design.

As the tour started we were told that we would only be visiting the public spaces because the United Nations is a working organization. I’m pretty sure I didn’t sufficiently supress my snorting laughter at that comment.

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Appeasement, the meme of the left..!!!

ehlerts on September 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

And even more so the name of the Pentagon.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:14 PM

…right dumb dumb!…look at this country!…one person gets offended out of a million…and traditions that have been around for decades or centuries…are shut down

KOOLAID2 on September 19, 2012 at 9:14 PM

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs

Let’s see…going over the history of whose “beliefs” were ‘provoked or humiliated’ who showed up at the UN to complain about it: Hugo Chavez (‘whaaa, Bush stinks,’ to paraphrase his speech), Kruschev (‘we will bury you ’cause you offend communist Russia’)…

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

The Religion of Peace and it’s misunderstanders are once again blowing things up cuz that pedophile prophet was seen in a cartoon as ‘nekked’ buahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Here, take this; Islamists and Muslims everywhere…

Your Prophet was a sick phuck! So is your religion and your Koran!!

Take that!!

Scrumpy on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

So, where are the Hebdo cartoons of Mohamed?

Blake on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Ann Althouse posted a Hitchens free speech talk. Great as usual. I’m surprised it hadn’t been mentioned up top and am sorry I hadn’t remembered it.

Dusty on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Our generals, likely the highest paid generals in the entire world, want Americans, not just their troops but all Americans, to speak, which would soon enough be followed by to live, only at the pleasure of the lowest common denominator of Muslim Rage Boys.

Having these anti-American vermin in charge of our $800 billion dollar per year military is a crime against America and humanity. They are disgracing our entire military and nation. They are more an enemy to America than Osama bin Laden himself ever was.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 PM

said Maher. “Tim Tebow is so cuckoo for Christianity that he used to write Bible verses in the charcoal under his eyes. Creepy to some, but for redneck America, they couldn’t love this guy more if he was sculpted out of bacon.”

Maher:We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion. I do believe that. I think that religion stops people from thinking. I think it justifies crazies. I think flying planes into a building was a faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder

Time to silence Maher.
/

CW on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 PM

it’s repulsive that a guy charged with defending human rights would equivocate on speech.

Human rights = shut up, you didn’t build that!

MeatHeadinCA on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 PM

I was a believer in free speech until I listened to this guy. STFU. Thank You!!!

EA_MAN on September 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Mr. “UN Chief” clearly does not understand the concept of “free speech.”

Like most Leftwingers.

FREE SPEECH is the Right to criticize our government without penalty of reprimand for doing so.

All the rest as to what people apply in defining the concept is individual imposition of cultural standards.

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM

So, where are the Hebdo cartoons of Mohamed?

Blake on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Well they certainly aren’t being passed out to America’s troops by theor generals, I know that much. In fact if they caught any American troops with them they would probably send them to Leavenworth.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:18 PM

These people are incredibly dangerous and should be run out of power everywhere they are found.

tom daschle concerned on September 19, 2012 at 9:05 PM

This is a cancer that, if not excised now, will only grow larger. If fight we must over this, better now than later. Bring it.

petefrt on September 19, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Mr. “UN Chief” clearly does not understand the concept of “free speech.”

Like most Leftwingers of American’s current generals .

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Geez they can’t get their white flags out fast enough. It’s like they’ve all been nominated for the Neville Chamberlain Appease Prize.

curved space on September 19, 2012 at 9:20 PM

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs

Now, what he’s REALLY saying:

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates a Muslim’s beliefs

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Never mind the UN. We knew about the UN ages ago.

The building formally known as the Pentagon has become a G-d damned mega mosque whore house of servicing Muslims. The Perfumed Pimps there masquerading as Generals have no regard for America and it’s Constitution or their own troops and they are all out sons of #itches, traitors, and chronic dhimmis!

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Eric Holder is looking into the Hebdo cartoons to see if there is anything DOJ to stop this…

d1carter on September 19, 2012 at 9:22 PM

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates a Muslim’s beliefs

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:21 PM

This UN chief is fully qualified to be head of the joint chiefs of staff.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I believe Purple Polka Dotted flying Jaberwockis are prophets of God and anyone that makes fun of my beliefs should be penalyzed!!

/illustrating absurdity

Varchild on September 19, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Can we burn the blue UN flag, Mr. Moon?

hoosiermama on September 19, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Message to Christians, Jews, Sihks and any other religious persuasion: “Violence Works!”
If you don’t want your view of the universe insulted or demeaned or even subject to normal skepticism, start rioting and burning stuff and assaulting people. It’s amazing how fast the so-called “Leaders” will come around to seeing things your way. Just amazing!

Lew on September 19, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I am very offended by Ban’s suggestion that speech which offends should be banned. Ban should be banned.

When are Muslims going to stop blaspheming Christ by claiming that he was a mere prophet – and inferior in status to theirs, who obviously wasn’t even a good man, let alone a prophet.

Basilsbest on September 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Geez they can’t get their white flags out fast enough. It’s like they’ve all been nominated for the Neville Chamberlain Pentagon Appease Prize.

curved space on September 19, 2012 at 9:20 PM

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM

So what they are saying is those who strap bombs to their children are offended because I tell the truth about the founder of their “religion” I can be punished yet when they call Jews dogs and belittle Christian we don’t get to nuke them?

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on September 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Wait!!! Just thought of something!

Does this mean any criticisms of Global Warming, Evolution, Big Bang Theory, etc. qualify as “offending someone’s beliefs?”

I mean how far does this go?

I make fun of you for saying the glass is half empty and I go to prison?

Varchild on September 19, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Can we burn the blue UN flag, Mr. Moon?

hoosiermama on September 19, 2012 at 9:24 PM

How about burning our generals oaths to the United States Constitution? Oh wait, they’ve already done that.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Sounds like it’s time for an “everybody make a movie about Muhammad” day & post them all up on youtube the same day.

batterup on September 19, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Do not cast your eyes upon me ban, I am the sun./

wolly4321 on September 19, 2012 at 9:28 PM

So, where are the Hebdo cartoons of Mohamed?

Blake on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Mo-Toons

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

General Allen here all you disrespecters of the Great Religion of Peace. These fine well meaning upstanding Muslims were just stressed out from not being able to eat during the day during Ramadan.

Attention!!! General Petraeus here. I condemn the action of the individual in the United States who made a film disrespecting the Great Prophet Mohammad. That action was hateful. It was intolerant, and it was extremely disrespectful. I condemn the actions of a small number of individuals who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Qur’an. Together with our Muslim Partners in Peace, we must secure and serve the people of the Muslim world.

General Casey here! Stand at attention! No mater how tragic the untimely death of a few Americans might be to some, abroad or at home, we must not let this affect the diversity of those who watch our embassies and our schools, as if we did, that would be a much greater tragedy.

RasThavas on September 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM

And the only forces on earth that can recover it are strong, secular governments that will face down charges of blasphemy with scorn.

But Harris, of course, means an atheistic government. Because that’s Harris, and that’s the only force on earth serious about protecting people’s rights to speak.

Do I really need a sarc tag?

Axe on September 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Tower of Babel, the 2012 version.

Same old crap, different singers.

These people wanting global control will never give up. This is all part of the PROJECT 21 crapola to make speech against Islam and whatever the preferred religion of the elitists illegal.

….and the DOTUS and his minions in Congress are shuffling us right into this where we will have no choice but to accept global control over our sovereignty.

psssssst, American voter……..you’re a slave of the one that holds your debt.

S-L-A-V-E

PappyD61 on September 19, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Free speech isn’t “free” when governments place wholesale restraints on it or if angry mobs can easily provoke a people to surrender their freedoms in the name of sensitivity.

Think about this…when the entire concept of freedom of speech was in front of the Founders there was valid reason for it to be paramount. Under King George, a colonist saying something derogatory about a colonial governor, or worse, an officer of The Crown, that colonist could easily find themselves sent, without benefit of trial, to the King’s Navy for a lifetime term as a conscripted seaman…few lower positions were to be found in The Empire. One could lose all their belongings, property, and everything else because somehow they “slandered” an official of The Crown.

In 1735, in the colonies, Peter Zenger was put on trial for alleged libel concerning William Cosby, governor of New York. In one of the first hallmark cases of American jurisprudence, the Zenger trial (Zenger was acquitted) established that truth was a defense against charges of libel. This simple trial laid the foundations for our seemingly once revered freedom of the press.

It is speech and the printed word we sometimes find most offensive that our freedom of speech allows. This is by design.

Sometimes, the truth, when uttered, angers people, or makes them uncomfortable, some might take offense, but what is the alternative?

Allow government to decide what can and cannot be said? Printed? Filmed?

Every time Obama (or any other official) demands that cellphones and cameras are not allowed (or in the case of a former vice president demanding that nobody be allowed, ever, to use cameras, or recording devices in his climate change classes) we allow a little more of our essential freedoms to be chipped away.

Allowing a United Nations official (with no jurisdiction over these United States) to demand that we surrender our freedoms in the name of not being offensive is highly offensive.

Either we have freedom of speech, or we do not.

That choice is ours, us, US citizens, to make…and nobody else.

As for Ban Ki-moon, perhaps he should direct his attention to the lawless mobs and the countries that allow such who are, have been and will most assuredly in the future, murder on a ravenous scale anyone they deem “offensive.”

Yes, those Islamic “republics” and other locales where mobs of members of the “religion of peace” hold sway.

But that’ll never happen, for the corruption that is the United Nations has already cast its lot with those who would oppress all of us, and any person across the globe who would stand up and demand those simple freedoms so many here in the United States apparently hold so cheap.

Maybe Ban Ki-moon could demand that Islamofascists stop murdering Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and others who refuse to submit to Islam, and demand that nations harboring these murdering mobs either stop it or allow someone else to stop it for them.

But, that’ll never happen either.

So, Mr. Ban Ki-moon, stuff it.

coldwarrior on September 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Cut off the UN’s allowance. No more US cash for them, we can’t afford it anyway.

So then this pinhead’s definition of free speech is you can say anything you want as long as it doesn’t offend anybody. I guess we’re gonna become a planet of mutes. Since we’re going mute, then when we develop telepathic capabilities to communicate will we then have to stop thinking bcuz we might offend someone? UN’s got a head start on that stopping thinking thing.

stukinIL4now on September 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Our generals, likely the highest paid generals in the entire world……

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Oh! I disagree. Our generals don’t get all the kickbacks and bribes as other nations. Kim Jung Il’s son became the highest general in North Korea. You really think he was living on the equivilent of the $150K which is where our pay scale tops out at?

America may or may not be the highest paid generals by legal means but they are far down the scale when you look across the world.

Better question- How many generals/admirals do we have and how many do we really need?

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs…

…and it is my belief that suppressing free speech provokes and humiliates me and my beliefs.

ericdijon on September 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM

PAPPY PLAN for Dealing with the U.N.

1. Get yer arses outta our country, and take all your global institutions (IMF/World Bank/Fed) crap with ya.

PappyD61 on September 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM

“When some people use this freedom of expression to provoke or humiliate some others’ values and beliefs, then this cannot be protected in such a way.”

Then STFU. Your speech is provoking me and pissing me off.

I might have to burn your house down or stalk you into a miserable existence. //

See how this works?

BacaDog on September 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM

As good a time as any to withdraw from the UN and give them a time certain to vacant the valuable NYC real estate they currently occupy.

Let Brussels host the collection of despots, miscreants, scofflaws, perverts, thieves, and plutocrats who comprise the UN. Maybe it will help them get over the fall of the EU.

Adjoran on September 19, 2012 at 9:35 PM

“When some people use this freedom of expression to provoke or humiliate some others’ values and beliefs, then this cannot be protected in such a way.”

Fine.

No flag burning. No “rethuglican”. No criticizing Christianity, or Judaism, or Mormonism, or TEA Partiers, or conservative beliefs.

malclave on September 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Where are the trolls?

JPeterman on September 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Americans in high office take an oath to defend the Constitution, which contains a Bill of Rights guaranteeing free speech. Moon took no such oath. Most of the lefties cowering at the prospect of facing the knives of the Jihadists didn’t take an oath either. Their cringing dhimmitude is covered, but not for example Obama’s–he cringes in violation of his sworn duty.

Where is the U.N. when Christianity is being mocked, as it is on a continuous basis in this country, or when Christians are being murdered, as they routinely are in some Muslim countries? Their strongly worded communiques never seem to make the headlines.

spiritof61 on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 PM

The radical Imams who incite the violence would not be satisfied until they could decide what could be seen and heard.

They want to become the ultimate judges, juries and executioners when it comes to anything that relates to Islam or its prophet.

But religious fanatics who are easily offended by those outside of their religion who violate the rules of their religion cannot serve as censors in democratic societies.

The threat or fear of violence should not become an excuse or justification for restricting freedom of speech.

Alan Dershowitz

Scrumpy on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Boot the U.N. off of American soil.

Stop paying over $7 billion/year to provide a world stage for those with no idea what freedom is, what it costs, or what it means, and their dictator friends, to strut and denigrate this nation and freedom.

The U.N. has become a cadre of would be extortionists.

thatsafactjack on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Just as one is either pregnant or not pregnant, one is either a friend of Free Speech or an enemy of Free Speech. There is no in between. There never has been and there never can be. Anyone who does not understand this, knows nothing about free speech.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Suppose we start drilling for our own oil in USA,
suppose we don’t have to buy oil from jihadistan,
suppose we don’t have to be friends with 7th century barbarians because we don’t need their oil anymore,
then,
can we then have our free speech rights back in USA ?
Can we ?

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM

OT: MM needs to hold off on the coffee.

faraway on September 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Ban Ki Moon

Blow it out your a ss, your mother had to.

Rio Linda Refugee on September 19, 2012 at 9:40 PM

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs

So…when will their takeover be complete?

No need to fear…either President Obama or President Romney will protect our freedoms./s

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Mr. Ban, a frosty cold mug of melena to you, Sir. Cheers!

Mason on September 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

The UN is a fundamentally anti-American institution. There is absolutely no reason we should fund it or respect it.

WisCon on September 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Wondering where the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is after this news. No spaghetti for Muslims! And DEFINITELY no flying.

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

faraway on September 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM

You need a hearing aid, there is nothing wrong with MM speaking out, she is being very passionate!!

You need to get away far away faraway…

Scrumpy on September 19, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Mason on September 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Nicely put. Disgusting as it is. :-)

coldwarrior on September 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM

“When some people use this freedom of expression to provoke or humiliate some others’ values and beliefs, then this cannot be protected in such a way.”

Then STFU. Your speech is provoking me and pissing me off.

I might have to burn your house down or stalk you into a miserable existence. //

See how this works?

BacaDog on September 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM

@ BacaDog: thread winner!

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM

How about let’s stop paying $800 billion a year for a military run by generals who bow and scrape to Islam, and order America’s troops to do the same, and make war on the United States Constitution?

This UN stuff is just small potatoes.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Why is this sandbox for tyrants and despots still in our country? They have overseas offices. Evict them and sell that real estate on the open market.

Philly on September 19, 2012 at 9:44 PM

How about let’s stop paying $800 billion a year for a military run by generals who bow and scrape to Islam, and order America’s troops to do the same, and make war on the United States Constitution?

This UN stuff is just small potatoes.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM

I admit it, I’ve wondered, too, if the Pentagon-Goes-Weak-Kneed-for-Muslims posturing is Obama’s order or that those Generals you mention have lost their minds.

Not joking.

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:45 PM

UN chief: Free speech must be protected, unless it provokes or humiliates someone’s beliefs

What part of “FREE” don’t you understand?

Hey, maybe, Libs should start arguing that abortion should be banned because it has been known to provoke some killers of abortion doctors???

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I admit it, I’ve wondered, too, if the Pentagon-Goes-Weak-Kneed-for-Muslims posturing is Obama’s order or that those Generals you mention have lost their minds.

Not joking.

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:45 PM

The generals have been leading the way. They make Obama look like a piker.

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:47 PM

You can burn the American flag, but not the Quran.

pedestrian on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Yep, and I like it that way.

I have little tolerance for those who want to invoke some sort of a law against burning the American flag. The flag is a symbol of the nation but only that. The minute you make it a crime to burn the flag you make any protest that does it unlawful. It is meaningless.

Likewise, the Bible is the source of faith for Christians. But any copy of the book is only that. We do not kill people when Bibles are destroyed.

We don’t need to go along with the thought processes of our terrorist-supporting neighbors offened with Quran burning with the American flag. Holy books being burned might have been a thing back when they were written by hand but in 2012, I can read the Bible on my Iphone.

And BTW- I don’t think an American president has been fully vetted until he has been burned in effigy.

Happy Nomad on September 19, 2012 at 9:47 PM

1,000 years of rioting, mayhem, destruction, awfulness, threats and violence-times-infinity from Muslims against everyone else and somehow today we’re supposed to assume a weak-and-unicorn-friendly stance about Muslims? WHY? I haven’t seen them change in any degree, thus, our stance about them shouldn’t. But it has, so I wonder why. Appeasement doesn’t work for the appeaser and history has abundantly proven that the “nation of islam” doesn’t want to co-exist with any or anyone else but instead continues to want (and seek) the elimination of the rest of us.

So what’s with this “embrace Islam” hallucination occuring?

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM

“Hey, I know, to prove my respect for the shark, I’ll jump in his mouth and I just know he won’t bite me!”

So were the last words by CluelessAboutIslam.

Lourdes on September 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Robert Spencer: “Finally: NATO scales back joint operations with Afghan forces. How many had to be murdered by their “trainees” and “partners” before this happened? General Allen and the rest of the high command should be put on trial for the deaths of every one of those troops. What war strategy? There is no plan for victory, no definition of victory, no clear goal, no clear means to get to any goal — nothing. Just more and more of our troops killed for a Sharia government that its people hates, battling Sharia forces that enjoy broad support.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/09/finally-nato-scales-back-joint-operations-with-afghan-forces.html

VorDaj on September 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM

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