Paul Ryan: The point is, under Obama, govt dependency is up

posted at 3:21 pm on September 19, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Love him or hate him, there can be no denying that during President Obama’s tenure, Americans’ level of dependence on government has increased — the news that President Obama’s work requirement waiver helped to explode the number of able-bodied people on food stamps is only the latest confirmation. Mitt Romney weighed in on that point with a short op-ed today, reaffirming why his policies would lead to more opportunity while President Obama’s would lead to more economic decay, and his running mate followed up on the 47-percent flap with a similarly straightforward message, via NBC:

“He was obviously inarticulate in making this point,” Ryan said in an interview with KRNV. “The point we’re trying to make here is under the Obama economy, government dependency is up and economic stagnation is up, and what we’re trying to achieve is getting people off of government dependency and back to a job that pays well and gets them onto a path of prosperity.” …

Asked if Romney regrets what he said, Ryan responded: “Oh, I think he would have said it differently, that’s for sure, but the point still stands. We have too many people becoming too dependent upon government because of the poor economic policies of the Obama administration.”

Ryan also highlighted the dependence/stagnation vs. prosperity point with his own ad released today — vice presidential candidate he may be, and that obviously does a lot to help him with exposure, but he’s still got his own race to run in his home Wisconsin district to defend his Congressional seat. Ergo, maybe a little more low-budget than what we’re used to by now, but lowering taxes, cutting down regulations, balancing the budget — it’s all gold.


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The point is – the Republicans have been in bed with the Communists. Which is why this freight train to disaster is rollin’ right along.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 19, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Paul Ryan: The point is, under Obama, govt dependency is up

Of course it is, that was the plan. Cloward-Pivens Strategy. It has always been Obama’s strategy.

Kind of like his lying, he lied to get elected, then lied about everything he has done since getting elected, is lying to get reelected and if he fails to win reelection, will lie about why he lost.

SWalker on September 19, 2012 at 3:24 PM

We cannot fully address and solve the economic problems without addressing and solving the problem of the parasite class which in polite words we call it the dependency class… In order for our economy to prosper we must get rid of the parasite class and only have a safety net for those who truly need it.

mnjg on September 19, 2012 at 3:25 PM

MSM Headline: Ryan says Romney is “inarticulate.”

C’mon guys, you need to be really, really careful choosing your words. There are debates coming up. I sincerely hope you’re bringing your “A” game.

Bat Chain Puller on September 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM

o/t, but…

Pic of the Day: From “Killer Rabbit” To “Killer Squirrel!!!”

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/pic-of-day-from-killer-rabbit-to-killer.html

M2RB: The Mold Monkies – Jimmy Carter Saved The Day

Snippet from song…

We were lost
Together apart
Couldn’t find
The lust in our heart

“I can help,”
He said with a grin
“Soon you’ll have
inflation again”

We never know all the right things to say
We made our own bolt of lightning
When Jimmy Carter saved the day

Who knew??? Love it!

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Bush took a few hits from the Stimulus pipe and got addicted too. The lead the way to Obama. Republicans have to admit this, learn from their mistakes, and rediscover their roots in Constitutional Liberty, Natural Law, and Spontaneous Order.

Control of US tax revenue is about as powerful as it gets in Human History.

THIS IS WHY CHARACTER MATTERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

Howzah on September 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

We cannot fully address and solve the economic problems without addressing and solving the problem of the parasite class which in polite words we call it the dependency class… In order for our economy to prosper we must get rid of the parasite class and only have a safety net for those who truly need it.

How do we “get rid of the parasite class”?

lostmotherland on September 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Before the trolls jump in asking why Paul Ryan is running ads in his district if he thinks they’ll win, Joe Biden did the same thing in ’08. No reason to give a seat to the opposing party if you can help it.

changer1701 on September 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Everybody needs to watch this documentary about Obama…Dreams From My *Real* Father

http://youtu.be/PrmEjw-g96o

dom89031 on September 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Saying articulate when we are going off of incomplet information is pretty bad.

Never say things like that.

You just say this is what he meant. Don’t help them…geez.

tomas on September 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

How do we “get rid of the parasite class”?

lostmotherland on September 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

We quit giving them free shit, make them work for what little we do give them.

SWalker on September 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I think we can never really understand the level of deceit we are dealing with so we speak like we do everyday. It is a hard thing to conquer. Only Reagan has been really succesful at it.

tomas on September 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Obama WANTS more people dependent on the Government. Once he gets the percentage over 50%, it’ll be Democrat Party for life.

Obama & the libs need welfare dependent voters to stay in office.

portlandon on September 19, 2012 at 3:31 PM

The Point is: Mother Jones Admitted to editing out 2 min of video so the could deflect & redirect away from the Epic Failures of Obama on the Economy, the $16 trillion debt, real unemployment around 19%, oh and the Muslim Brotherhood spending more time at intelligence briefings than the Dhimmi-in-chief. I guess he was too busy bowing to the Islamofascists in the Middle East while they allowed our people to be Raped & Murdered!

God Bless America!

paratisi on September 19, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Says the guy who voted for Medicare Part D and the bailouts.

Dante on September 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

How do we “get rid of the parasite class”?

lostmotherland on September 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Stop feeding them for free

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Paul Ryan: The point is, under Obama, govt dependency is up

…trolls hardest hit!…in dementia denial!

KOOLAID2 on September 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Dante on September 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Did you see this yet?…It’s pretty amazing

http://youtu.be/PrmEjw-g96o

dom89031 on September 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Jeez, just apologize for calling most of them victims and move on with the point. Do that and you’re friggin golden.

Zaggs on September 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Remember Jan3, 2007…that’s when the dems took over the house and senate…in Oct 2007

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

The budgets come from congress…

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

right2bright on September 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Paul Ryan,

Hey girl, yeah I’m confident enough to wear goggles… all the time.

swamp_yankee on September 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Everyone will be shocked — SHOCKED! — to know that when Yahoo reported on this they presented it completely out of context with the only words actually quoted from Ryan being “obviously inarticulate” and “that’s for sure.”

Dark Star on September 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM

The point is, Obama is winning.

bifidis on September 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Oct 2007, still 14,000 Dow and 4.6% unemployment…and every month since than disaster…it took just 9 months for dems to turn the economy around.

right2bright on September 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Paul Ryan: The point is, under Obama, govt dependency is up

The point is Government dependency has steadily been going up through out both Republican and Democractic terms in office since 1962. It actually went up the most between 2000 and 2006.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/19/the-index-of-dependence-on-government-keeps-rising/

Now will Romney cause it to go down? Well we know it wont be his job to worry about 47% of Americans so I doubt it.

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Everyone will be shocked — SHOCKED! — to know that when Yahoo reported on this they presented it completely out of context with the only words actually quoted from Ryan being “obviously inarticulate” and “that’s for sure.”

Dark Star on September 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Yahoo’s so in the tank, it’s not funny anymore. And this is AFTER they fire the dude who was caught saying Romney wanted to see black people drown during the RNC.

changer1701 on September 19, 2012 at 3:44 PM

How do we “get rid of the parasite class”?

lostmotherland on September 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Raise taxes so that they have skin in the game.

sauldalinsky on September 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Great, but be careful not to make it sound like a competency issue.
The point should be that big govt is out of control. This is ideological. And that should be what the election is about: do you want a huge govt that’s totally out of control, a govt gone stark raving wild, or do you want to rein govt in? Well, do you, … ?

anotherJoe on September 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM

The point is, Obama is winning.

bifidis on September 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM

and Americans are losing

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM

right2bright on September 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM

The Unemployment rate jumped from 5.8 to 9.3 between 2008 and 2009. Now Obama wasnt sworn in until 11/2008.

How can you with a straight face say that was “Obamas” doing???

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Someone give Paul media lessons, please. Ignore the bait to say something negative and stay on message. Don’t give them any soundbites they can use to hit you over the head with. It’s not rocket science.

parteagirl on September 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM

The point is, Obama is winning.

bifidis on September 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM
and Americans are losing

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM

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Which is why the iPhone 5 has sold something like 2 million units in 4 days.

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Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM

The point is, Obama is winning.

bifidis on September 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Duh, moochers love more freebies and will vote for King Hussein. But we are at the tipping point for the nation, and even if it’s one last valiant stand that ends up losing, it’s worth the effort.

sauldalinsky on September 19, 2012 at 3:50 PM

On November 7, when you wake up with a hangover and the realization that the joyous crowd chanting “four more years” you vaguely remember wasn’t a nightmare, but the scene at Obama headquarter after Fox called Colorado and the election for Obama, think back to this week.

The week when, finally, after almost 48 hours, the Veep nominee — not Romney or the campaign A-Team — finally came up with a reasonable response to what should have been a quickly-dispatched minor crisis. Not brilliant response, mind you, but a politically competent one that begins to turn the subject back to the economy in a direct, non-defensive, releatively effective way.

And then you’ll realize why, like the 1962 Mets, no team as bad as romney’s was going win anything anyway.

urban elitist on September 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

The Unemployment rate jumped from 5.8 to 9.3 between 2008 and 2009. Now Obama wasnt sworn in until 11/2008.

How can you with a straight face say that was “Obamas” doing???

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Since when do we “swear in” Presidents in November?

For your next “stupid, people, politrick,” you will be doing what?

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Paul Ryan: The point is, under Obama, govt dependency is up

The point is Government dependency has steadily been going up through out both Republican and Democractic terms in office since 1962. It actually went up the most between 2000 and 2006.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/19/the-index-of-dependence-on-government-keeps-rising/

Now will Romney cause it to go down? Well we know it wont be his job to worry about 47% of Americans so I doubt it.

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Exactly. Over in the green room they put up the charts… Yeah, looks pretty condemning on Obama… Until you move over to the 2002 to 2008 numbers… If they would have continued at the slope they were through all of Bushes years, there would actually be more dependents than there are today.

Progressive (R) Bush and Progressive (R) Romney will have the same results as Progressive (D) Obama in this respect.

So long as there is a safety netwelfare state, more and more Americans will have lower and lower values and work harder and harder to avoid work and get on the welfare states rolls.

Romney likes Regulations, Obama does too, 488B worth. Romney likes the safety net, Obamadoes too. Romney likes mandates, Just like Obama.

The only difference between them is Romney supposedly would grow the economy fast enough to pay for the leeches. In other words, he knows how to make the freaking slaves do more!

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM


The week when, finally, after almost 48 hours, the Veep nominee — not Romney or the campaign A-Team — finally came up with a reasonable response to what should have been a quickly-dispatched minor crisis. Not brilliant response, mind you, but a politically competent one that begins to turn the subject back to the economy in a direct, non-defensive, releatively effective way.

And then you’ll realize why, like the 1962 Mets, no team as bad as romney’s was going win anything anyway.

Yea, verily, and amen.

casuist on September 19, 2012 at 3:56 PM

urban elitist on September 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

And, when you wake up and realise that Obama is still the f*ck up that he is and will continue to be, enjoy…

Hopenchange Baby, Obama Baby, Foot Soldier For The Man

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/dancing-bear-hopenchange-baby-obama.html

M2RB: Elton John, Madison Square Garden

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM


Romney likes Regulations, Obama does too, 488B worth. Romney likes the safety net, Obamadoes too. Romney likes mandates, Just like Obama.

The only difference between them is Romney supposedly would grow the economy fast enough to pay for the leeches. In other words, he knows how to make the freaking slaves do more!

Le Roi est mort, vive le Roi!

casuist on September 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Since when do we “swear in” Presidents in November?

For your next “stupid, people, politrick,” you will be doing what?

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM
—–

Come on. You know what I meant.

Okay, the election wasnt until 11/2008. Obama wasnt swore in until 01/2009 which even more makes my point.

Thanks.

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Since when do we “swear in” Presidents in November?

For your next “stupid, people, politrick,” you will be doing what?

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Wow, attacked a pointless mistake in dates written. It gets even worse when you move it to the real date that Obama took office. But hey, way to destroy that guy! The numbers were significantly worse on 1/20/2009!

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Which is why the iPhone 5 has sold something like 2 million units in 4 days.

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Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM

So sales of iPhones have brought down the deficits and unemployment numbers to what exactly ?
What about the skyrocketing prices of food and gas ? How have they been brought down by iPhone sales ?.

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM

How do we “get rid of the parasite class”?

lostmotherland on September 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

By forcing those who can work to work rather than wait for their welfare check… If there are no welfare checks then for their survival they need to work…

mnjg on September 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM

On November 7, when you wake up with a hangover and the realization that the joyous crowd chanting “four more years” you vaguely remember wasn’t a nightmare, but the scene at Obama headquarter after Fox called Colorado and the election for Obama, think back to this week.

The week when, finally, after almost 48 hours, the Veep nominee — not Romney or the campaign A-Team — finally came up with a reasonable response to what should have been a quickly-dispatched minor crisis. Not brilliant response, mind you, but a politically competent one that begins to turn the subject back to the economy in a direct, non-defensive, releatively effective way.

And then you’ll realize why, like the 1962 Mets, no team as bad as romney’s was going win anything anyway.

urban elitist on September 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

On the night of November 6 2012 you will go to bed weeping because the welfare queens agitator has lost. At the end when voters went to vote on that day a majority of them asked themselves “Do we want four more years of this misery and failure?”… Their answer was a resounding “No, hell No”….

mnjg on September 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM

The point is, Obama is winning.

bifidis on September 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM
and Americans are losing

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM

No Obama is not winning anything.

Burrata, why do you let these left wing lunatics go unchallenged with their lies? Seriously, never show mercy to these fools…

mnjg on September 19, 2012 at 4:21 PM

By forcing those who can work to work rather than wait for their welfare check… If there are no welfare checks then for their survival they need to work…

mnjg on September 19, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Where does Romney make that point?

So long as the Federal government, as far away as you can get from the user, is paying for those things, how do you make them work?

As I already stated on another thread, when someone is cheating the system and I see it and I go to the office where they are getting the benefits and say, hey, that lady has a husband earning 46,000 a year and not 12k like she said and 18 months later they are still collecting the same benefit…

The place where they get help needs to be local charities where the local population that is paying for the benefits can observe and hold them to account.

Not some federal beheomoth. But Romney thinks the safety netwelfare state is working. It allows him to sleep at night not worrying about the poor.

I’ll be happy with a simple Cap and Balance amendment presented to the states. Then we can work on the moochers later as we face the fact that there is a cap on spending, and they are lower priority than other things.

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Which is why the iPhone 5 has sold something like 2 million units in 4 days.

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Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Seriously, THAT is your metric for how the country is doing. Hey, nevermind the high unemployment and out of control debt…people are buying iPhones, so it’s all good!

changer1701 on September 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Okay, the election wasnt until 11/2008. Obama wasnt swore in until 01/2009 which even more makes my point.

Thanks.

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM

What was your point ?
Bush ?????

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Paul Ryan says it as if govt dependency is a bad thing. –47% of the population

Archivarix on September 19, 2012 at 4:27 PM

What was your point ?
Bush ?????
burrata on September 19, 2012 at 4:26 PM

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/09/19/romney-is-right-about-the-47/

Go look at the graphs and look at Bush through 2006, then pull out a straight edge and compare and contrast obama v bush increases.

It is not Obama driving the numbers up. They go up anyways. Why? Because the longer the welfare state lasts, the more people it corrupts. The more people it corrupts, the more people that join the ranks, needy or not.

Then come back and explain how the expanding Bush economy numbers will not be repeated in the expanding (if it does) Romney economy.

Increased employment under Bush did nothing to stop this rise.

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Actually mentioning and even EMPHASIZING the 47% is not a mistake. It’s the fumbling WAY that Romney did it. Perhaps a better way: “Never have so many been dependent on so few-the taxpayers left who can still sustain themselves. Voting for Obama will INCREASE this dependency where even more will be dependent on even fewer and I’m the doctor who can get us all-dependent and independent out of this sorry mess. I promise all Americans to cut unemployment from 8+5 to 5% in the first year simply by dumping job-costing regulations, ending Obamacare and drilling for oil which will reduce not only the cost of gasoline but of all costs dependent upon transportation-driving, air travel, food, clothing, big ticket items and the comforts of life.You have to realize that we are dealing with a president who believes the failed concept of socialism with its government control and even government interfering in your lives-abridging your privacy and even freedom of speech–and believes in apologizing to our enemies for the violence and outrage THEY’VE COMMITTED. Just look at the results-high unemployment, high gas prices, skyrocketing grocery bills, foreigners ransacking our embassies and murdering our ambassadors. Do you want four more years of this??!!”

In short you have to make the people believe (and quite correctly too)that four more years of Obama is like poring kerosine on a fire-THE EQUIVALENT OF A MOLESTED CHILD SEEKING HELP FROM JERRY SANDUSKY.

BTW I don’t believe the 47% is that big a deal. Romney was well on his way to losing BEFORE this and this statement can easily be turned to his advantage. He’s got to shake up his staff-maybe even enlist Dick Morris-who was so successful with Clinton. Right now it’s a timid, losing strategy and time is running out.

MaiDee on September 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM

The Unemployment rate jumped from 5.8 to 9.3 between 2008 and 2009. Now Obama wasnt sworn in until 11/2008.

How can you with a straight face say that was “Obamas” doing???

The unemployment rate was 8.1% in February, 2009.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_03062009.htm

March, 2009: 8.5%

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_04032009.htm

April, 2009: 8.9%

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_05082009.htm

By this point, President Obama had already signed the $800+ billion the Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Stimulus Act of 2009, 9 of the 12 FY 2009 appropriations bills (there was no Bush FY 2009 budget. He had only signed a CR on 30 September 2008, which expired on the 6 March 2009, and 3 of the 12 FY 2009 appropriations bills because the Democrats wanted to wait until they could spend what they wanted), and a $410 billion omnibus spending bill into law. All of this, we were told, was going to “jump start the economy.”

It didn’t and unemployment continued to rise until it hit 10.3%. Why shouldn’t we say that Obama had played some role in it? I make no excuses for Bush, for whom I never voted, but this “Blame Bush for everything is BS.” I could just as easily make the argument, if I were a Republican, that the unemployment rate was 4.5%, the DJIA was at 12,463.15, housing prices were soaring, the national debt was $8,677,214,255,313.07, the debt held by the public was $4,906,387,642,060.28, and then the Democrats took over Congress, but I don’t because both parties are responsible for the mess that the country is in, along with the Americans, who refuse to recognise that the days of living on phunny money are over.

If I fragged you, I apologise. I’m just tired of the “Blame Bush” meme.

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

urban elitist on September 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

And then you’ll realize why, like the 1962 Mets, no team as bad as romney’s was going win anything anyway.

urban elitist on September 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Peggy? Is that you?

Jvette on September 19, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Sweet :)

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Ryan also needs to hammer home that the unemployment numbers contribute greatly to the debt, not just because more dollars are going out to support the unemployed, but because less is coming in.

I get crazy when such simple little truths are ignored or forgotten in all the rhetoric.

Jvette on September 19, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Wait, are the two workers listening to Ryan wearing ear plugs?

How can they hear him?

portlandon on September 19, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

I like this argument much more than your previous dress down.

As for the blame Bush. It has to a nominally simlar standard we extend to the other saide as well.

If Bush is not to blame for most of the initial damage of the crisis, then we sure as hell cannot go back and complain about Obama and his lawsuits against banks in the 90′s as being the drivers of the housing bubble which really did not even begin until 2000. We cannot blame Clinton or Jimmy Carter and the CRA they created and beefed up. It has to be one or the other.

Obama is bad for the economy, and his policies certainly prevent a recovery. But the damage that took us to 10.3% (fake) unemployment, every last bit of that was built into the mix the day they signed off on the TARP bill. That was Bush. Bush deserves every bit of derision he gets and much more.

He is one of the big drivers of my no longer supporting people with an (R) as a default.

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM

I am not voting FOR Romney. I am voting AGAINST Obama.

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

This study illustrates that because of the way charity-based government programs can stack up and overlap, there are some brackets of income where it does not pay to work more, or get a better job, because the benefits you lose make work not worthwhile. This HAS TO BE FIXED!

Fear the Welfare Cliffs

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

“He was obviously inarticulate in making this point,” Ryan said in an interview with KRNV. “The point we’re trying to make here…

LOL…that’s reminiscent of Obama cleaning up after Biden in 2008. Good grief.

ddrintn on September 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I am not voting FOR Romney. I am voting AGAINST Obama.

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

That is fine. Everyone has their reasons. I liked your post.

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I pay a higher percentage of my income in federal taxes than Mitt. Mitt is a dirty tax cheat and leech in my book. Very unpatriotic for a man as wealthy as himself to hide money overseas for the sole purpose of tax evasion.

ZippyZ on September 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I am not voting FOR Romney. I am voting AGAINST Obama.

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

So you’re voting for Romney?

Dante on September 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I pay a higher percentage of my income in federal taxes than Mitt. Mitt is a dirty tax cheat and leech in my book. Very unpatriotic for a man as wealthy as himself to hide money overseas for the sole purpose of tax evasion.

ZippyZ on September 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM

If it is legal, then he would be doing his family a disservice. How many tax deductions to you personally use? I use every one I can qualify for? Do you pay your use tax to your state when you buy something offline? Chances are you are legally obligated to do so.

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Increased employment under Bush did nothing to stop this rise.

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I totally blame the current Republican House for the economic mess , under Hussein.
Which is totally different from the Democratic Congress NOT being responsible for ANYTHING , under Bush .
/sarc

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Hot Air – Why are there so few stories on Hot Air with Ryan in them?

albill on September 19, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I totally blame the current Republican House for the economic mess , under Hussein.
Which is totally different from the Democratic Congress NOT being responsible for ANYTHING , under Bush .
/sarc

burrata on September 19, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I would gather that someone would argue something like that. That is why it is important to note that when Democrats took over the house under Bush the numbers went down… So, again, there does not seem to be a political driving force behind the numbers. Before Bush rising about the same as under Bush rising about the as after Bush rising.

The one thing staying constant here is the welfare state just simply existing. The perpetual degradation in the character of the people of this nation is what drives the numbers up. It gets easier and easier to justify being on the dole as more and more people live off it for longer and longer periods.

It is not Bush, it is not Obama, it is not going to be Romney, it is not the congress, it is not the weather. It is the welfare state and the effect it has on people and their values.

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 5:31 PM

I pay a higher percentage of my income in federal taxes than Mitt. Mitt is a dirty tax cheat and leech in my book. Very unpatriotic for a man as wealthy as himself to hide money overseas for the sole purpose of tax evasion.

ZippyZ on September 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Based on the most recent IRS data for 2009, the average tax rate (after deductions) paid by all Americans is 11%. It is also clear that millionaires pay an average of 25%, while virtually every taxpayer earning under $100,000 pays an average rate of no more than 8% of their income in taxes.

There are roughly 123 million taxpayers who earn under $100,000, or about 88% of the 140 million Americans who filed a tax return in 2009. In other words, 88% of all taxpayers pay 8% or less of their income in income taxes.

Which gets us back to Mitt Romney’s effective tax rate of 14%, after deductions. This rate is still higher than the average rate paid by taxpayers earning up to $200,000. There are about 136 million taxpayers who have adjusted gross incomes less than $200,000, or 97% of all taxpayers. So even with an average tax rate of 14%, Romney paid a higher average rate than 97% of his fellow Americans.

Sources: IRS 2009 Data, Table 1.2 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in12ms.xls

Even at 14%, Romney Pays a Higher Rate than 97% of His Fellow Americans

Romney is all 65 years old. Technically, he is retired. Should we raise the tax rate on all retirees?

As for patriotism & taxes:

“Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. THERE IS NOT EVEN A PATRIOTIC DUTY TO INCREASE ONE’S TAXES. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any
public duty to pay more than the law demands.”

- Judge Learned Hand, the most quoted Federal judge by the Supreme Court of the United States and US Courts of Appeals in the history of the United States

Also, and this is very important since you are obviously uneducated in legal, tax, banking, financial, and international business matters, an American must pay tax on income, capital gains, dividends, etc., regardless of where they are earned…unlike most other citizens of the world. Thus, if Mitt Romney earns interest on his money in an account in the Cayman Islands, he must pay tax on it.

Finally, ZippyZ, I’m going to let you in on a secret that only us gazillionaire-tax-evading-bloodsucking-unpatriotic-big-mean-old-meanies evidently know:

YOU DON’T DISCLOSE FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNTS ON YOUR FEDERAL TAX RETURNS AND DISCLOSURE FORMS IF YOU ARE TRYING TO HIDE ASSETS FROM THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICES.

AND, IF YOU WANT TO EVADE TAXES AND RUN FOR OFFICE, YOU MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE LIKE ZIPPY-Z DON’T KNOW OF THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR FOREIGN ACCOUNTS.

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 5:45 PM

So you’re voting for Romney?

Dante on September 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

No, I’m going to be like you, I assume, and vote for Gary Johnson, thereby insuring Obama’s reelection.

If you can create an eyeroll font for me that makes my words appear on the screen like the expression on this woman’s face, I’ll actually consider throwing my vote away in this critical election year by voting for Johnson. I soooooooooooooooooo want an “eyeroll font.”

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 5:49 PM

What was your point ?
Bush ?????
burrata on September 19, 2012 at 4:26 PM
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/09/19/romney-is-right-about-the-47/

Go look at the graphs and look at Bush through 2006, then pull out a straight edge and compare and contrast obama v bush increases.

It is not Obama driving the numbers up. They go up anyways. Why? Because the longer the welfare state lasts, the more people it corrupts. The more people it corrupts, the more people that join the ranks, needy or not.

Then come back and explain how the expanding Bush economy numbers will not be repeated in the expanding (if it does) Romney economy.

Increased employment under Bush did nothing to stop this rise.

astonerii on September 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM

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Couldnt have said it better myself.

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Hot Air – Why are there so few stories on Hot Air with Ryan in them?

albill on September 19, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Ryan is not Eeyorish enough for HA.

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2012 at 5:52 PM

The Unemployment rate jumped from 5.8 to 9.3 between 2008 and 2009. Now Obama wasnt sworn in until 11/2008.

How can you with a straight face say that was “Obamas” doing???
The unemployment rate was 8.1% in February, 2009.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_03062009.htm

March, 2009: 8.5%

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_04032009.htm

April, 2009: 8.9%

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_05082009.htm

By this point, President Obama had already signed the $800+ billion the Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Stimulus Act of 2009, 9 of the 12 FY 2009 appropriations bills (there was no Bush FY 2009 budget. He had only signed a CR on 30 September 2008, which expired on the 6 March 2009, and 3 of the 12 FY 2009 appropriations bills because the Democrats wanted to wait until they could spend what they wanted), and a $410 billion omnibus spending bill into law. All of this, we were told, was going to “jump start the economy.”

It didn’t and unemployment continued to rise until it hit 10.3%. Why shouldn’t we say that Obama had played some role in it? I make no excuses for Bush, for whom I never voted, but this “Blame Bush for everything is BS.” I could just as easily make the argument, if I were a Republican, that the unemployment rate was 4.5%, the DJIA was at 12,463.15, housing prices were soaring, the national debt was $8,677,214,255,313.07, the debt held by the public was $4,906,387,642,060.28, and then the Democrats took over Congress, but I don’t because both parties are responsible for the mess that the country is in, along with the Americans, who refuse to recognise that the days of living on phunny money are over.

If I fragged you, I apologise. I’m just tired of the “Blame Bush” meme.

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

—No, you make a perfect point. I get just as tired of the “Blame Obama” for everything meme as you get over the “blame Bush” for everything meme. The larger point is that at the end of the day gas prices, unemployment, actions in the middle east, amount of those dependent on the Government are outside of the realm of the power of the President for the most part, or atleast outside the want of any political party to do much about those things.

Now do I think Romney will be the once in a generation politician who comes along and completly changes the way Washington works? No I dont. So that means I’m going to go with the devil I know and not the devil I don’t.

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Which is why the iPhone 5 has sold something like 2 million units in 4 days.

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Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Seriously, THAT is your metric for how the country is doing. Hey, nevermind the high unemployment and out of control debt…people are buying iPhones, so it’s all good!

changer1701 on September 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM

It goes to my larger point, same reason why those dependent on the Government will continue to go up no matter whose President just like they have since 1962. People these days want the world but dont want to work for it. We have high unemployment because people wont take paying jobs that are beneath them. Go to monster.com and look at how many job listings are available in your area, then compare that to the number of out of work in your area and help me understand why those who are out of work arent taking the available jobs. As far as out control debt, yes why are people who cant barely pay their cell phone bills on time worried about buying brand new iPhone 5′s? Why when a new pair of Jordans come out these same Black youths with record high unemployment are lining up around the block outside of malls to buy these shoes?

These numbers arent going to be changed by a President, I almost agree with Romney on one point. Theres a certain percentage of us here who are satsified with being in debt, coasting along, getting free money, etc. Simply electing a Republican President doesnt make these things magically go away.

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Ecard floating arount Facebook.

“Romney said only those with out jobs and who dont pay taxes are voting for Obama, Guess that means Romney is voting for Obama”

I admit. I chuckled.

Lol.

Politricks on September 19, 2012 at 6:06 PM

We have too many people becoming too dependent upon government because of the poor economic policies of the Obama administration.

That’s the way you do it.

If Romney had made that point in his own quote, this whole kerfluffle would have been over before it started. It only sounded so bad because his statement left the impression he was blaming the 47% for being dependent on the government.

And if Romney and Ryan make the point at every turn that it’s the Obama administration that wants people to be dependent on the government, this statement could actually turn into a strength.

tom on September 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Ryan looks incredibly dorky in the safety glasses… Just saying.

Illinidiva on September 19, 2012 at 7:14 PM

No, I’m going to be like you, I assume, and vote for Gary Johnson, thereby insuring Obama’s reelection.

If you can create an eyeroll font for me that makes my words appear on the screen like the expression on this woman’s face, I’ll actually consider throwing my vote away in this critical election year by voting for Johnson. I soooooooooooooooooo want an “eyeroll font.”

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 5:49 PM

I’d rather find a font that somehow transformed your words into an intellgent thought.

Dante on September 19, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Dante on September 19, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Is that the best that you can do?

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 7:41 PM

He was obviously inarticulate in making this point,” Ryan said in an interview with KRNV. “The point we’re trying to make here…
LOL…that’s reminiscent of Obama cleaning up after Biden in 2008. Good grief.

ddrintn on September 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Romney wasn’t giving a public statement at the time. He was talking to a closed meeting of supporters. His statement was perfectly reasonable and true. Can you imagine what Obama says at his closed meetings? You know, the ones where all recording devices are prohibited and cell phones a confiscated.

talkingpoints on September 19, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I am not voting FOR Romney. I am voting AGAINST Obama.

Resist We Much on September 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

So you’re voting for Romney?

Dante on September 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

…the lowlife’s braincells are really warmed up I see!

KOOLAID2 on September 19, 2012 at 9:23 PM

If Bush is not to blame for most of the initial damage of the crisis, then we sure as hell cannot go back and complain about Obama and his lawsuits against banks in the 90′s as being the drivers of the housing bubble which really did not even begin until 2000. We cannot blame Clinton or Jimmy Carter and the CRA they created and beefed up. It has to be one or the other.

astonerii

So, basically what you’re saying is we can’t blame people who ARE responsible unless we can blame those who aren’t responsible too. Who can argue with such brilliance?

xblade on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 PM

The parasite class includes Wall Street. The entire system needs to be fumigated.

rickyricardo on September 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM