France’s turn?

posted at 8:41 am on September 19, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The US may no longer command the full attention of angry Muslims marching in the streets, thanks to a satirical newspaper in France and its decision to publish cartoons featuring Mohammed.  Charlie Hebdo offered its latest issue earlier today, and France has reacted by clamping down on protest and closing some of its embassies, consulates, and schools (via JWF):

France has temporarily closed its embassies and schools in 20 countries after a satirical magazine in Paris published insulting cartoons of the Muslim prophet Muhammad, a move it fears will add “fuel to the fire” of global tensions over an anti-Islam film.

“We have indeed decided as a precautionary measure to close our premises, embassies, consulates, cultural centers and schools,” a Foreign Ministry spokesman told Reuters.

It’s not as if the magazine doesn’t know what it’s doing; their offices got firebombed almost a year ago after publishing cartoons ridiculing Islam. CH’s cartoons are fully intended to provoke this time as well.  NBC describes the front-page cartoon, which mocks the violence from Muslim radicals by portraying Mohammed as a sick old man in a wheelchair:

The front page cartoon had the figure in a wheelchair saying “You mustn’t mock” under the headline “Untouchable 2”, a reference to a hugely popular French movie about a paralyzed rich white man and his black assistant.

Will France stand up for free speech and the right to criticize groups that engage in violence?  So far, the hints aren’t terribly encouraging:

The prime minister said freedom of expression is guaranteed in France, but cautioned that it “should be exercised with responsibility and respect.”

Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius defended freedom of expression, but warned thatCharlie Hebdo could be throwing “oil on the fire” and said it’s up to courts to decide whether the magazine went too far.

“Freedom of expression can be limited by court decisions. If there is a case of overstepping, it’s up to individuals or groups to bring it to the courts, which will say whether the law … was respected,” he said after a Cabinet meeting.

Abdallah Zekri, President of the Paris-Based Anti-Islamophobia Observatory, said his group is considering filing a lawsuit but no decision has been made. “People want to create trouble in France,” he told AP. “Charlie Hebdo wants to make money on the backs of Muslims.”

As Allahpundit wrote last night, this basically means that any group that responds violently to speech wins the right to dictate to everyone else what the limit of that speech will be.  That isn’t freedom, nor is it free speech; it’s living within the dictates of a violent mob.  France has different laws governing freedom of expression than we do, of course, but suggesting that courts will censor people in order to prevent violence by theiropponents is a very large leap toward living under siege.

Interestingly, federal courts in the US have a different view — at least for now (via Pamela Geller):

As violent and sometimes deadly protests consume much of the Muslim world in response to an American-made video mocking the Prophet Muhammad, New Yorkers will soon encounter another potentially inflammatory rendering of Islam: an advertisement in the transit system that reads, “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.”

It concludes with the words, “Support Israel. Defeat Jihad,” wedged between two Stars of David.

After rejecting the ads initially, then losing a federal court ruling on First Amendment grounds, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said on Tuesday that the ads were expected to appear next week at 10 subway stations.

“Our hands are tied,” Aaron Donovan, a spokesman for the authority, said when asked about the timing of the ad.

In July, Judge Paul A. Engelmayer of Federal District Court in Manhattan ruled that the authority had violated the First Amendment rights of the group that sought to place the ad, the American Freedom Defense Initiative. The authority had cited the ad’s “demeaning” language in barring its placement.

Inflammatory?  Perhaps, but after watching the repeated paroxysms of rage resulting from any critical speech about Islam over the last several years, it’s difficult to dispute the central thesis that at some level this is a conflict between civilization and its opposite.  Freedom of speech is intended to solidify civilization, allowing for discourse to replace gunfire as the means to which one’s values prevail.  If we allow gunfire to determine the limits of speech as imposed by those who consider us their enemy, then civilization a chimera, an illusion that covers up a totalitarian reality.

That’s easy to forget in the heat of the moment.  It’s our duty to remember what’s at stake, however, before it’s lost entirely.


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Gird your loins for this Friday.
Islam gets a redo.

Jabberwock on September 19, 2012 at 8:47 AM

This is going to get interesting.

MobileVideoEngineer on September 19, 2012 at 8:47 AM

The cowardly west, including the U.S. has put its tail between its legs and is kowtowing to the radical Muslim world. Those that love freedom and liberty should be ashamed of this behavior. This once great Republic is in demise.

rplat on September 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Abdallah Zekri, President of the Paris-Based

Anti-Islamophobia Observatory

, said his group is considering filing a lawsuit but no decision has been made. “People want to create trouble in France,” he told AP. ”

They don’t see the irony in this, do they?

AZfederalist on September 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Islam has been at war with everything and everyone NOT named Islam for 14 centuries.

Our leaders may not believe that we are at war with Islam, but Islam is most certainly at war with us.

TKindred on September 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Abdallah Zekri, President of the Paris-Based Anti-Islamophobia Observatory, said his group is considering filing a lawsuit but no decision has been made. “People want to create trouble in France,” he told AP. “Charlie Hebdo wants to make money on the backs of Muslims.”

What I meant to highlight

AZfederalist on September 19, 2012 at 8:49 AM

The prime minister said freedom of expression is guaranteed in France, but cautioned that it “should be exercised with responsibility and respect.”

And what is that supposed to mean, exactly?

Closing schools and embassies is just what these animals want. Many of their threats of violence and retribution don’t amount to anything. Of course, all it takes is a small handful of instances where their threats become reality, and innocent people are hurt or killed…which makes this whole mess very delicate to deal with.

JetBoy on September 19, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng

Update: France steps up security at embassies over cartoons as hackers block magazine website http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/
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France steps up security at embassies over cartoons as hackers block magazine website
Wednesday, 19 September 2012
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http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/19/238898.html

canopfor on September 19, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Comedy is not allowed in Islam, that should attract more adherents.

Bishop on September 19, 2012 at 8:52 AM

“Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”

I guess since the message isn’t “sugar-coated”, Bloomy can’t just decree executive order and ban those ads.

pain train on September 19, 2012 at 8:54 AM

People who riot over this stuff must not have much confidence in their beliefs.

forest on September 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM

It should be interesting to see the security video around those ads after they are posted.

ProfShadow on September 19, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Well the French are right to be worried.

They have imported a HUGE number of young, angry, unemployed, ill educated Muslim men. They have an enormous domestic terrorism problem easily as bad as the UK and Germany.

So I expect them to come down hard against freedom of expression, bow and scrape to the mozlems, and yes Friday will be absolute chaos there as the brothers now have another excuse to behave like psychotics.

Isn’t multiculturalism awesome?

CorporatePiggy on September 19, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Why is the focus always on the moviemaker, author, or cartoonist and not the childish, barbaric, and animalistic reactions of the muslims?

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Let’s send Obama to France as a good will gift.

BettyRuth on September 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM

The best thing for free speech is more free speech. I think it is always the best course to use this liberty with purpose and for good and as positively as possible (IMHO), but we cannot simply restrict something because someone may not like it. There are boundaries (e.g. you cannot call for violence or exploit the defenseless), but within those boundaries we have to support the right to express an opinion.

mankai on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

People who riot over this stuff must not have much confidence in their beliefs.

forest on September 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM

This is a good point. Christians believe that Jesus is the final judge and He will judge and enact judgement in the end. Muslims believe that Allah is the ultimate judge, but that they must be the ones to enact that judgement.

MobileVideoEngineer on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Good for them, and I hope they publish more. Enough with this walking on eggshells nonsense…the problem lies with the mindset that reacts violently to speech, NOT the speech itself. Muslim rage, indeed.

changer1701 on September 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM

If every Western government, every Western press outlet, every Western television corporation suddenly filled the airwaves, cable channels, newsprint and government publication with sarcastic, funny, bawdy, ribald sketches of Mohammed and those who riot in the name of Islam (let’s go ahead and mock that “religion of peace” meme) coupled with our closing down all of our embassies, legations, consulates, trade missions and such across the Moslem world for a while, until the animals on the streets figure out how incredibly stupid they really are…in short order this faux, jihadi-generated, “outrage” would die off.

So long as they know they can get mileage from this faux outrage, and can burn, maim, kill, and pillage to their delight while the West cowers in the corner, they will do so.

Might even get them to figure out that having an actual economy, and actual jobs, behaving like civilized peoples, respecting property rights, establishing real laws, not this shariah BS, and maybe producing something of value other than sucking oil out of the ground, they’d be a lot better off in the long run.

BTW, more Moslems have been killed over the centuries, especially in the past century, by fellow Moslems than by all other powers combined. Religion of peace, indeed.

coldwarrior on September 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Building one AT Ground Zero isn’t insensitive? Come on.

changer1701 on September 19, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Well the French are right to be worried.

They have imported a HUGE number of young, angry, unemployed, ill educated Muslim men. They have an enormous domestic terrorism problem easily as bad as the UK and Germany.

So I expect them to come down hard against freedom of expression, bow and scrape to the mozlems, and yes Friday will be absolute chaos there as the brothers now have another excuse to behave like psychotics.

Isn’t multiculturalism awesome?

CorporatePiggy on September 19, 2012 at 8:57 AM

You are correct.

IIRC, France gave up any and all control of Muslim neighborhoods. They essentially have a country within a country.

WisRich on September 19, 2012 at 9:04 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

You’re an idiot. There are more mosques in the U.S. now than there were in 2001. In fact a mosque just opened a couple of miles from my house in Hazelwood Missouri (St. Louis suburb).

MobileVideoEngineer on September 19, 2012 at 9:05 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

I don’t think islam merits first amendment protection, not as it exists as BOTH a political system as well as a religious one.

Catholics don’t advocate the overthrow of the US Constitution and the subornation of law to our Church, for example. In islam, the prime directive is conversion by force and the replacement of all secular law with sharia.

By it’s very nature islam is both seditious and treasonous.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Why is the focus always on the moviemaker, author, or cartoonist and not the childish, barbaric, and animalistic reactions of the muslims?

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 8:58 AM

You just described two groups of people.

One of them is likely to try to kill you in you offend them, the other is most certainly not going to even want to kill you if you offend them.

If you’re a craven coward, the last thing you want to do is ‘focus’ on the one that may cause you harm – so you ‘focus’ on the one that you know will not hurt you.

Midas on September 19, 2012 at 9:06 AM

If you’re a craven coward, the last thing you want to do is ‘focus’ on the one that may cause you harm – so you ‘focus’ on the one that you know will not hurt you.

Midas on September 19, 2012 at 9:06 AM

That’s why God invented .30-06 Springfield. Never saw a rag yet that could stop it.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 AM

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Lame.

No other word to use.

And…how many Catholic churches, or any other churches have been built in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, all the other ‘stans, since 2001?

How many existing churches have been burnt to the ground by tolerant Moslems all across the Moslem world?

coldwarrior on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Let’s send Obama to France as a good will gift.

BettyRuth on September 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM

I’ll pay the freight charges.

stukinIL4now on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 AM

cartoons featuring Mohammed
and little girls he fomented
hate through rape and tormented
toothpick d*ck affirmative

Mohammed was a child rapist
Chester the molesterist
drove a nondescript white van
lured them in with candied yams

Slade73 on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

O_o

You’re doing it wrong.

Bishop on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 AM

the more we provoke these 7th century savages the better…i for one am ready to get the “muslims vs everyone else” war started from the infidel side…after all, the muslims have been at war with us for 14oo years…it’s about time we infidels: hindus, jews, christians, atheists, et al, joined together to finally crush the bastards

thedevilinside on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

To my knowledge ONE instance of a desired mosque – AT the site of the WTC – was of concern. Beyond that, mosques are springing up all over the country without dissent or concern.

Idiot.

Midas on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 AM

I feel a little better.Gun and ammo sales are setting new records everyday.

docflash on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Read up about The Great Mosque of Cordoba. The NY mosque was supposed to be called “Cordoba House.” It’s amazing that you can’t even tell when you are being mocked, conquered and subjugated.

LOL… not.

Fallon on September 19, 2012 at 9:12 AM

That’s why God invented .30-06 Springfield. Never saw a rag yet that could stop it.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Haven’t added one of those to my collection yet; been staying ammo-focused on 9mm, .223 and 12ga for the most part.

Midas on September 19, 2012 at 9:12 AM

there’s a guy in Texas with a pig farm. Muslims bought land next to his to build a mosque and insisted HE move.

This guy offered them 1.8 million for their land – to just go away. They refused and called him a liar at the town meeting.

So now he holds pig races at night when they’re in prayer at night services. Texas is awesome.

Slade73 on September 19, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Let’s send Obama to France as a good will gift.

BettyRuth on September 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Can’t do that. Cruel & unusual punishment and all that. After all, he doesn’t speak Austrian.

honsy on September 19, 2012 at 9:14 AM

If we allow gunfire to determine the limits of speech as imposed by those who consider us their enemy, then civilization a chimera, an illusion that covers up a totalitarian reality.

…there’s a reason why there is an incremental push over time…to take guns from law abiding citizens…

KOOLAID2 on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

As usual… important details missing.

No one said they couldn’t build a mosque. It was the location that was being discussed. And we’re not talking about moving it a million miles away. We’re talking a couple of blocks.

Let’s say a group of adults who were molested by the priests of Jupiter (trying to be generic here) as children take some of the money they were awarded in a settlement and build a “safe park” in a city for kids. Let’s then say that the Church of Jupiter wants to build a school for priests right next to that park. Would it not be reasonable for someone to object to that specific location for such a building?

I agree we need to be careful when dealing with assured rights, but we can also make reasonable accommodation.

mankai on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 AM

it’s about time we infidels: hindus, jews, christians, atheists, et al, joined together to finally crush the bastards

thedevilinside on September 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM

And the good news is, we outnumber them 3:1.

AZCoyote on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 AM

This isn’t about insults. There will not be a repeat of what happened to the US because France isn’t holding officers in the muslim army under arrest. This has always been about putting pressure on our ball-less federal govt to release prisoners.

pc on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 AM

And the good news is, we outnumber them 3:1.

AZCoyote on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 AM

the good news is we’re militarily superior by about 80 generations

Slade73 on September 19, 2012 at 9:17 AM

I feel a little better.Gun and ammo sales are setting new records everyday.

docflash on September 19, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Except Cabelas pissed me off. They used to offer coupons that gave you a percentage off, the more you spent the bigger the discount. Now they have excluded guns and they never used to and that is just wrong.

Bishop on September 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims CHRISTIANS want to build a mosque DO ANYTHING (in NYC, in Tennessee ANYWHERE, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” MAKING SURE CHRISTIANS ARE HASSLED AND SHUT UP BY THE LEFT WITH THE FORCE OF GOVERNMENT BEHIND THEM. LOL VITRIOL!

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Fixed.

mankai on September 19, 2012 at 9:20 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL
1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

You’re an idiot.
MobileVideoEngineer on September 19, 2012 at 9:05 AM

The troll also doesn’t know that a building permit is not “free speech”. They get denied all the time by law.

whatcat on September 19, 2012 at 9:21 AM

we are hurtling toward a world war under the pretext of insensitivity, among other things.

ted c on September 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM

And the good news is, we outnumber them 3:1.

AZCoyote on September 19, 2012 at 9:16 AM

the good news is we’re militarily superior by about 80 generations

Slade73 on September 19, 2012 at 9:17 AM

The problem is the muslims breed faster then cockroaches.

They have to, given their tendency to murder their women who display any intelligence as well as use their kids as suicide/homicide bombers.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM

They don’t see the irony in this, do they?

AZfederalist on September 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Irony to a Muslim is like a mountain to an microbe. The mountain is simply too big to be comprehended or even perceived by something so small and limited as a microbe. The microbe has no sense of perspective that would allow it to tell the difference between a mountain, a boulder, a pebble or a grain of sand.

Muslim moves to a non-Muslim society and then complains that the society they choose to live in is far worse than the one he cannot bear to return to. That isn’t ironic.

Islam, the most purest and most perfect religion, and Muslims the people favoured by God, somehow produce societies that makes Muslims want to leave, and go to, say, France, a country founded by “monkeys and pigs”. No irony there either.

“There is no compulsion in religion”, reads the Koran, but then explains that anybody who tries to convert a Muslim or who tries to stop being a Muslim should recant or be killed . Nothing ironic in that.

Islam, supposedly the most peaceful religion ever, just happens to have the most violent prescriptive texts of any religion, the most violent founder of any religion, and has a long history of being propagated and sustained by violence. No irony there either.

Muslims give meaning to those expressions about veiled minds or darkened minds. Looking but never seeing, Listening but never hearing. Thinking but never understanding.

YiZhangZhe on September 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Except Cabelas pissed me off. They used to offer coupons that gave you a percentage off, the more you spent the bigger the discount. Now they have excluded guns and they never used to and that is just wrong.

Bishop on September 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Wow, I didn’t even know they had coupons that used to include guns. If I would have known that, may I would have bought the gun that the wife wants sooner.

MobileVideoEngineer on September 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Paris Mosque: “We are not like animals of Pavlov to react at each insult.” = Projection

Pest on September 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM

The troll also doesn’t know that a building permit is not “free speech”. They get denied all the time by law.
whatcat on September 19, 2012 at 9:21 AM

e.g.
Church denied permit

whatcat on September 19, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The problem is the muslims breed faster then cockroaches.

They have to, given their tendency to murder their women who display any intelligence as well as use their kids as suicide/homicide bombers.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM

and how is that possible considering their filthy appearance and pubic hair beards?

I’ll tell you how. Rape.

Slade73 on September 19, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The US is an easy target, but my money is on Islamic terrorists going after the western Europeans in a big way. They have numbers in those countries, and the US can’t be counted on as a stanch ally. Let’s see how the western Europeans fight back.

BuckeyeSam on September 19, 2012 at 9:26 AM

When there are clouds of smoke rising in Dearborn, north of Michigan Avenue, we will know that the tipping point has been reached.

I have always wondered about that little slice of Dearbornstan, on the eastern side, that butts right up against Detroit. Hm-m-m-m-…

Yoop on September 19, 2012 at 9:28 AM

“Our hands are tied,” Aaron Donovan, a spokesman for the authority, said when asked about the timing of the ad.

Yes, that First Amendment is a hand-tying bi*ch, isn’t it?

rrpjr on September 19, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Do you notice that the radicals never attack Russian embassies? Aside from the fact that the Russians are often in bed with the radicals, the radicals know that there will be a price to pay, in blood. The Russians don’t play around.

RBMN on September 19, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Catholics don’t advocate the overthrow of the US Constitution and the subornation of law to our Church, for example. In islam, the prime directive is conversion by force and the replacement of all secular law with sharia.

By it’s very nature islam is both seditious and treasonous.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:06 AM

And yet, we keep importing more Muslims. There was a commenter on a site (can’t remember if it was here, or somewhere else) the other day, who said he lived in the Portland area. Claimed that on 9/11, the Somali community in his area had celebrated the deaths of the Americans killed in NY and D.C.

At what point (if ever) are we going to look at these issues? We have a federal government that is determined to ignore our national borders and our national sovereignty, and which continues to hand out visas to millions of Muslim foreigners from cultures that despise us and want to see us and our way of life completely destroyed.

Some legal scholar once wrote that the U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. You’d never know it from the way the current administration is behaving.

AZCoyote on September 19, 2012 at 9:29 AM

and how is that possible considering their filthy appearance and pubic hair beards?

I’ll tell you how. Rape.

Slade73 on September 19, 2012 at 9:25 AM

And incest, coming soon to being legalized near you, thanks to islam. In islam it is not uncommon to marry closely related relatives, even brothers and sisters…

This is one of the reason they are so mentally retarded, the same recessive genes passed down from generation after generation.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Some legal scholar once wrote that the U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. You’d never know it from the way the current administration is behaving.

AZCoyote on September 19, 2012 at 9:29 AM

The American left sees floods of illegal amigos and muslims demanding sharia into this country as a means to an end: specifically the end of the Constitution.

They are too shortsighted to see the consequences of using those tools for that purpose…

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Wow, I didn’t even know they had coupons that used to include guns. If I would have known that, may I would have bought the gun that the wife wants sooner.

MobileVideoEngineer on September 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Oh yes, if you spent over $500 you got a 20% discount. Buy yourself an inexpensive 1911 clone for about that much and knock a quick C-note off the top just like that. It was awesome.

I use my Cabelas card for everything I buy and get the points. I once bought a nice shotgun completely on those points and the coupon and spent exactly $10 out of pocket; the thing was basically free.

But no longer, they know people are scooping up guns on account of Barky, so why give a discount?

Bishop on September 19, 2012 at 9:31 AM

It’s not a reason. It’s an excuse.

TimBuk3 on September 19, 2012 at 9:34 AM

No one said they couldn’t build a mosque. It was the location that was being discussed. And we’re not talking about moving it a million miles away. We’re talking a couple of blocks.

I agree we need to be careful when dealing with assured rights, but we can also make reasonable accommodation.

mankai on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Your analogy is a good one.

As I recall, no one was saying they did not have the right to do what they were proposing. However, given the history of islam, that it erects mosques over conquered land, the idea of erecting a mosque on a 91/11 ground zero site gives lie to the idea that “moderate” muslims condemn the religion inspired attack on the US that occurred on 9/11. The naming of the mosque and the location were designed to broadcast to the muslim world that this was conquered land. The so-called “moderate” muslims should have been vocal in getting the very idea of this mosque shut down.

AZfederalist on September 19, 2012 at 9:36 AM

…there’s a reason why there is an incremental push over time…to take guns from law abiding citizens…

KOOLAID2 on September 19, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Yep, mines being taken. In a trade within the family, that is. The Kimber .40 with the short barrel is leaving, it’s place to be taken by a full-size ’11 in .45. Arriving with bags and bags of reloads. Size matters… ;-)

Yoop on September 19, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Have the French authorities perp walked the magazine’s editor in front of international news cameras yet, on the pretext of “questioning” him about something or other?

farsighted on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I use my Cabelas card for everything I buy and get the points. I once bought a nice shotgun completely on those points and the coupon and spent exactly $10 out of pocket; the thing was basically free.

But no longer, they know people are scooping up guns on account of Barky, so why give a discount?

Bishop on September 19, 2012 at 9:31 AM

I’ve been to the one in Wheeling whenever I got sent up there. We just got a new one in Charleston which is only an hour’s drive for me. Haven’t been to that one yet.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Construction projects are not expressions of speech, idiot.

Trafalgar on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM

The funny thing is that when American Muslims want to build a mosque (in NYC, in Tennessee, etc.) the freedom of speech argument suddenly takes a backseat and it’s all about “protecting the sensibility of the 9/11 victims” LOL

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Construction projects are not expressions of speech, idiot.

Trafalgar on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM

The Clash got it right: “Drop your bombs BETWEEN the minarets…”

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Have the French authorities perp walked the magazine’s editor in front of international news cameras yet, on the pretext of “questioning” him about something or other?
farsighted on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM

“Round Up The Usual Suspects!”

whatcat on September 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM

“Freedom of expression can be limited by court decisions. If there is a case of overstepping, it’s up to individuals or groups to bring it to the courts, which will say whether the law … was respected,”

France does not have a Bill of Rights recognizing its citizens right of free speech.

And in some ways France operates as democratic socialist police state, sort of like Boss Daley’s Chicago of the 1950s and 60s.

farsighted on September 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM

1215 on September 19, 2012

…CAUTION…septic failure…troll turd sufaces

KOOLAID2 on September 19, 2012 at 9:43 AM

1215 on September 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Construction projects are not expressions of speech, idiot.
Trafalgar on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM

As I said, the troll needs help with Googling.

whatcat on September 19, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Obama’s trippin’
slippin’ due to anal rippin’
gay conversion evolution
total freakin’ press collusion

Obama’s grippin’
but his likability is flippin’
dead babies are not a winnin’
proposition, f*ckin’ press’s fizzin’

out, with they stupid selling out
suckin’ the Obama nipple
eatin’ up the lies that cripple
middle class and workin’ people

Slade73 on September 19, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Construction projects are not expressions of speech, idiot.

Trafalgar on September 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM

And zoning boards exercise broad powers often imposing local restrictions for seemingly arbitrary reasons. The courts almost always uphold their right to do it.

Also, few challenged the right to build the Ground Zero Mosque. The motivations for and the wisdom of doing it in that place at that time are what most questioned. And questioning those things is an exercise of free speech.

farsighted on September 19, 2012 at 9:46 AM

But no longer, they know people are scooping up guns on account of Barky, so why give a discount?

Bishop on September 19, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Somebody else knows, also.

When they built the new Walmart that I shop at when I make the trek into a town, there were no guns. Then six months ago there appeared a glass case with a dozen rifles and shotguns.

THEN, to my shock, when I wandered by that case to peruse the stock two weeks ago, there were SIX big black AR Colts and clones with extended magazines hanging above the shotguns. Somebody up here is suspecting something?!?

Yoop on September 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM

The cowardly west, including the U.S. has put its tail between its legs and is kowtowing to the radical Muslim world. Those that love freedom and liberty should be ashamed of this behavior. This once great Republic is in demise.

rplat on September 19, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Where’s Thomas Jefferson and the original Marines when you need them?

Nutstuyu on September 19, 2012 at 9:49 AM

…CAUTION…septic failure…troll turd sufaces

KOOLAID2 on September 19, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Another new one. That brings the total active count to 29.

AZfederalist on September 19, 2012 at 9:52 AM

And questioning those things is an exercise of free speech.

farsighted on September 19, 2012 at 9:46 AM

The troll 1215 also doesn’t understand that the 1st Amendment only applies to the government and does not prevent individuals from voicing their disapproval of others exercise of free speech.

Trafalgar on September 19, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I still think every non-Muslim in the world should put up a sign, print an article, post something on Facebook mocking Mohammad, in line with the whole idea of Everybody Draw Mohammad day. Then we can watch all the fanatics’ heads explode. Problem solved. But seriously, the more people give in to the fanatics’ ridiculous demands to grant them some sort of special treatment, the more ridiculous those demands will become.

mbs on September 19, 2012 at 9:54 AM

CH’s cartoons are fully intended to provoke this time as well.

Provoke? That seems like you’re suggesting a reaction similar to what we’ve been seeing would be justified. “They were provoked, after all.”

BKeyser on September 19, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Mohammed was a child rapist

come and get me Muslims. I’ve got guns…lots of ‘em

Slade73 on September 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Um, it used to.

mankai on September 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM

It’s a disgrace that US papers have not had a mo-cartoon day yet. We think of ourselves as the home of free speech, yet the mainstream press has bowed to big mo and given in to thuggery.

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM

“This is a disgraceful and hateful, useless and stupid provocation,” Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Paris Mosque, told The Associated Press. “We are not Pavlov’s animals to react at each insult.”

So… don’t. It’s that frackin’ simple.

Of course, the contradiction between “we’re being provoked” and “we aren’t simply animals reacting to insult” is completely lost on this dude. Then again, when the “religion of peace” is one of the most bloody, violence-prone ideologies around, I guess we should have seen that one coming.

psrch on September 19, 2012 at 10:12 AM

And in some ways France operates as democratic socialist police state, sort of like Boss Daley’s Barak Obama, Rahm Emmanuel, and Bill Ayers’ Chicago of the 1950s and 60s 1960′s through till today.

farsighted on September 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM

FIFY

psrch on September 19, 2012 at 10:15 AM

make them riot every day….

equanimous on September 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM

brave charlie hebdo! heroes!

nathor on September 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I’ve always been a strong believer in allowing a child to cry himself out of his temper tantrum, not to give in. At some point he’ll get tired and stop.

I’m tempted to say we (civilized people) use that strategy here, but then I remind myself that this isn’t a temper tantrum in the toy aisle with no fear of harm. There are innocent people dying over this.

I think the root cause must be taken care of now. The Muslim leaders that encourage this type of murderous behavior should be held accountable. In one way or another.

ButterflyDragon on September 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de honte est arrive

spiritof61 on September 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM

We’re down the rabbit hole with the Mad Hatter pouring tea at the end of the table. Welcome to the new normal.

Bad – free speech…if it “offends” fanatics.

Acceptable – violence and murder if lawbreakers and murderers were “offended.”

Acceptable – abandoning the constitution & apologizing for free speech when thugs are “offended.”

Toto, I don’t think we’re in the home universe any more.

limmo on September 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM

The Muslim leaders that encourage this type of murderous behavior should be held accountable. In one way or another.

ButterflyDragon on September 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Or the savages who carry out the murderous behavior should be gunned down in the streets. Pretty soon people will stop listening to the laeaders.

Trafalgar on September 19, 2012 at 10:26 AM

leaders too!

Trafalgar on September 19, 2012 at 10:27 AM

So people in it own country cannot enjoy their free speech because of the violence of people outside their country?

The world is at war with lots of Muslims.

albill on September 19, 2012 at 10:29 AM

we going to have another riot friday!

nathor on September 19, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Let’s send Obama to France as a good will gift.

BettyRuth on September 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM

thanks, but no thanks, :)

jimver on September 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Or the savages who carry out the murderous behavior should be gunned down in the streets. Pretty soon people will stop listening to the laeaders.

Trafalgar on September 19, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Yep. muslim rioters should be KOS.

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Why aren’t the cartoons posted here? Is HotAir afraid?

SirGawain on September 19, 2012 at 10:46 AM

The Clash got it right: “Drop your bombs BETWEEN the minarets…”

wildcat72 on September 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I live in a small-ish town in the Bible belt. We have a couple of Mosques. They are very discreetly located and the only real zoning stipulation was NO MINARETS AT ALL.

I kind of snorted at that as we have a lot of churches in town and quite a few have spires.
.
But zoning regulations are NOT a constitutional issue.

CorporatePiggy on September 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM

What good are our embassies in countries that hate us? Why should we have an embassy in Egypt? Close all of the damn things, and get out.

slickwillie2001 on September 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM

I’ll pay the freight charges.

stukinIL4now on September 19, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Try Media Mail. Only words.

trigon on September 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM

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