France’s turn?
posted at 8:41 am on September 19, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
The US may no longer command the full attention of angry Muslims marching in the streets, thanks to a satirical newspaper in France and its decision to publish cartoons featuring Mohammed. Charlie Hebdo offered its latest issue earlier today, and France has reacted by clamping down on protest and closing some of its embassies, consulates, and schools (via JWF):
France has temporarily closed its embassies and schools in 20 countries after a satirical magazine in Paris published insulting cartoons of the Muslim prophet Muhammad, a move it fears will add “fuel to the fire” of global tensions over an anti-Islam film.
“We have indeed decided as a precautionary measure to close our premises, embassies, consulates, cultural centers and schools,” a Foreign Ministry spokesman told Reuters.
It’s not as if the magazine doesn’t know what it’s doing; their offices got firebombed almost a year ago after publishing cartoons ridiculing Islam. CH’s cartoons are fully intended to provoke this time as well. NBC describes the front-page cartoon, which mocks the violence from Muslim radicals by portraying Mohammed as a sick old man in a wheelchair:
The front page cartoon had the figure in a wheelchair saying “You mustn’t mock” under the headline “Untouchable 2”, a reference to a hugely popular French movie about a paralyzed rich white man and his black assistant.
Will France stand up for free speech and the right to criticize groups that engage in violence? So far, the hints aren’t terribly encouraging:
The prime minister said freedom of expression is guaranteed in France, but cautioned that it “should be exercised with responsibility and respect.”
Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius defended freedom of expression, but warned thatCharlie Hebdo could be throwing “oil on the fire” and said it’s up to courts to decide whether the magazine went too far.
“Freedom of expression can be limited by court decisions. If there is a case of overstepping, it’s up to individuals or groups to bring it to the courts, which will say whether the law … was respected,” he said after a Cabinet meeting.
Abdallah Zekri, President of the Paris-Based Anti-Islamophobia Observatory, said his group is considering filing a lawsuit but no decision has been made. “People want to create trouble in France,” he told AP. “Charlie Hebdo wants to make money on the backs of Muslims.”
As Allahpundit wrote last night, this basically means that any group that responds violently to speech wins the right to dictate to everyone else what the limit of that speech will be. That isn’t freedom, nor is it free speech; it’s living within the dictates of a violent mob. France has different laws governing freedom of expression than we do, of course, but suggesting that courts will censor people in order to prevent violence by theiropponents is a very large leap toward living under siege.
Interestingly, federal courts in the US have a different view — at least for now (via Pamela Geller):
As violent and sometimes deadly protests consume much of the Muslim world in response to an American-made video mocking the Prophet Muhammad, New Yorkers will soon encounter another potentially inflammatory rendering of Islam: an advertisement in the transit system that reads, “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.”
It concludes with the words, “Support Israel. Defeat Jihad,” wedged between two Stars of David.
After rejecting the ads initially, then losing a federal court ruling on First Amendment grounds, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said on Tuesday that the ads were expected to appear next week at 10 subway stations.
“Our hands are tied,” Aaron Donovan, a spokesman for the authority, said when asked about the timing of the ad.
In July, Judge Paul A. Engelmayer of Federal District Court in Manhattan ruled that the authority had violated the First Amendment rights of the group that sought to place the ad, the American Freedom Defense Initiative. The authority had cited the ad’s “demeaning” language in barring its placement.
Inflammatory? Perhaps, but after watching the repeated paroxysms of rage resulting from any critical speech about Islam over the last several years, it’s difficult to dispute the central thesis that at some level this is a conflict between civilization and its opposite. Freedom of speech is intended to solidify civilization, allowing for discourse to replace gunfire as the means to which one’s values prevail. If we allow gunfire to determine the limits of speech as imposed by those who consider us their enemy, then civilization a chimera, an illusion that covers up a totalitarian reality.
That’s easy to forget in the heat of the moment. It’s our duty to remember what’s at stake, however, before it’s lost entirely.
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Duh..
Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:04 PM
If those two go at it, I can only hope The Chosen One will keep us OUT of it!
GarandFan on April 30, 2013 at 8:04 PM
Uh-Oh!!
Take note HA liberal zipperheads..this is how REAL, dyed in the wool socialist retards think…
Y’all are pikers.
BigWyo on April 30, 2013 at 8:07 PM
Obama needs to phone in another speech..
Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:07 PM
Just launch some multi colored balloons their way. Total surrender.
msupertas on April 30, 2013 at 8:20 PM
There’s no vichy left? There should be.
wolly4321 on April 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM
With so many problem children in Europe, how does she choose among them?
Philly on April 30, 2013 at 8:28 PM
Maybe they’ll engage in a slap fight like real ladies.
Charlemagne on April 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM
But, they knew best. I mean, when even a humongous tax and spender like Barack Obama pleaded with Hollande not to go batshit crazy implementing his insane tax increases, you KNOW they were positively certifiable considering the fact that Obama has never met a tax increase that he didn’t like.
Now, I wish that German voters would just give Club Med the finger. The euro is doomed and all they have been doing over the last few years is putting off the inevitable and insuring that the break-up will be far more painful when it does come.
Resist We Much on April 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM
I smell another European (World) War coming down the pike. Yuck.
Remember what happened LAST time Europe (as a whole) blamed Germany for everything wrong in the Eurozone?
SgtSVJones on April 30, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Did “Conservative” Sarko cut spending and taxes after the recession? No. In fact, in 2012, he proposed even more tax increases and pledged to “sock it to the rich” even more than Hollande would, if reelected. And, Hollande has just pumped Sarko’s economic policies/proposals with steroids.
France‘s government spending as a percentage of GDP: 52.6% in 2007; 55.8% in 2012.
Berlusconi increased taxes and Italy has increased spending. 47.6% as a percentage of GDP in 2007 and 50.1% in 2012.
Even though Merkel did cut some spending in areas, she, too, increased taxes and government spending has continued to grow in others. German government spending as a percentage of GDP was 45.1% in 2012 and 43.5% in 2007.
Even Spain‘s spending increased. 2007: 39.2%. 2012: 42.0%.
Labour bankrupted the UK during its 13 year reign. Did the coalition led by “Conservative” [True, "conservative" in Europe does not mean the same thing as "conservative" in the US save for a few like Daniel Hannan, Nigel Farage (UKIP, but more conservative than Cameron), etc)] cut taxes and spending? No, it has actually increased spending to a level higher than Blair-Brown, raised taxes, and postponed meaningful spending cuts…indefinitely. Government spending as a percentage of GDP in 2007 was 40.3%. It was 45.3% in 2012.
[In some fairness, Osborne has reduced the top marginal rate from 50pc to 45pc after the "sock it to the rich" tax resulted in a loss of revenues to the Treasury of £509 million in January 2012 compared to the same month in 2011.]
Over the last decade, EU member states have collectively increased government spending by 62%. In 2012, average government spending by EU nations stood at approximately 49.2% of GDP — v. 44.8% in 2000.
On its own website, the EU itself ridicules the notion of government austerity as a “myth.”
‘National budgets are NOT decreasing their spending, they are increasing it,’ the EU’s site says, noting that in 2011, 23 of the 27 nations in the EU increased spending and in 2012, 24 of 27 will did so.’
Despite the “Austerity = Tea Party/Austrian Economics! E113veNty!!!111!!!” hysteria by idiots and propagandists like Paul Krugman, Ezra Klein, et al, European Austerity has NOTHING in common with that espoused by limited government/low taxation/spending cuts Americans. European leaders – of all stripes – knew that it was/is far easier to raise taxes than reform unsustainable entitlement programmes and cut spending…AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE DONE…ON EVERYONE…DRAMATICALLY.
Resist We Much on April 30, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Now how are the measuring that unemployment rate over there? We have more than one measure of unemployment here, which does their measure correspond to best?
BornLib on April 30, 2013 at 8:43 PM
lol
Axe on April 30, 2013 at 8:46 PM
I always saw the EU as banding together to stave off economic collapse instead of trying to build a new superpower. It was only a matter of time before the accumulated stupidity overwhelmed any individual economic advantages.
The thing that has me worried now is that conditions favor starting a war.
mad scientist on April 30, 2013 at 8:47 PM
http://www.germaniainternational.com/images2/Art/NS_Baby_Cradle/MVC-001S_LG.jpg
Seth Halpern on April 30, 2013 at 8:50 PM
The socialists want the US to be dragged into this nightmare also so we are all ‘equal’.
…equally stepping around in a pile of crap that is.
TX-96 on April 30, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Franco-Prussian War
World War I
World War II
France does not have a good battlefield record against the Germans in the past 150 years….
Germans, their throat is either under your boot, or they’re at your throat…
glcinpdx on April 30, 2013 at 8:59 PM
Socialism 2.0
–bayam
tom daschle concerned on April 30, 2013 at 9:05 PM
But, they were the best-dressed corpses on those battlefields…
Resist We Much on April 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
What sort of war, and why?
YiZhangZhe on April 30, 2013 at 9:08 PM
I do remember being in Germany in the 90′s and Germans telling me how great it was going to be. Meanwhile I couldn’t find beef. Not a steak, hamburger, nothing. They told me how nice not having to change currency in my travels would be. Then I headed to Russia. 40,000 rubles for $25 bucks. 1,000 rubles/ fifth of vodka. Dried fish.
Don’t remember the rest. Cost me a stripe.
Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Sweden. Sweden was the best. July 4th. Love Americans day.Didn’t need money.
I just remember the Euro craze. They were all for it.
wolly4321 on April 30, 2013 at 9:20 PM
I think Germany has thought that since about 1870. They just haven’t talked about it much since 1945. Until now.
More broadly speaking, the Europeans are not now, nor have they ever been, one big happy family. Contrary to what the socialists would have us believe, Europe is not a democratic socialist paradise.
I expect Europe will begin reverting back to many of its old ways in the coming decades.
farsighted on April 30, 2013 at 9:36 PM
My grandfathers Garand kills deer, now.
wolly4321 on April 30, 2013 at 9:41 PM
I’m thinking, Germany, have you got another ass kicking left in ya? Minus that Holocaust thing. Just a quick spanking for all these lefty countries will do.
arnold ziffel on April 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM
Lady, I love you. Firecracker, day after day. Keep it up.
arnold ziffel on April 30, 2013 at 9:45 PM
Actually, Germany and France are co-dependents. Brussels calls the shots.
Germany has an export based economy. They make precision instruments, etc. and have almost nothing by way of natural resources. They are dependent on trade and a stable currency.
It is in Germany’s interest to keep the EURO alive.
The Euro is artificially high in value. This is the reason that its implementation has driven other member nations to ruin. They can’t devalue it and make their trade more attractive to others because Brussels sets the Euro’s value.
If the other nation members could revert to their own currencies and devalue them, they could make their products and resources more attractive to others, and trade their way back to prosperity.
Such a sudden shock to Germany’s economy would be disastrous should each nation be able to revert to their own currency at the same time, both in terms of lost trade and in the devaluing of those ‘loans’ Germany has ponied up for the other EMU nations.
France has driven itself to penury though its lavish social services programs, pensions, and eye bleeding tax rates. The tax rates have not only made it nearly impossible for the average citizen to save, they have been driving business out of France for decades. The recent major tax jump on the wealthy was just the last straw.
Holland’s suggested solution for this budget shortfall and resultant debt of France has been that all the other member nations should share responsibility for France’s debts. Of course he couches it in the language of the true socialist in including ALL nations debts to be mutually shared, but the end result is the same. He is a major supporter of the notion that all members of the EU should surrender their economic sovereignty to Brussels.
Recently, Angela Merkel has joined that chorus demanding that the member nations surrender their economic sovereignty.
thatsafactjack on April 30, 2013 at 10:04 PM
What sort of war, and why?
YiZhangZhe on April 30, 2013 at 9:08 PM
Tom Clancy once remarked that “War is robbery writ large.” I think you can figure out the rest.
mad scientist on April 30, 2013 at 10:07 PM
. . . trying to remember where I saw that piece on a United Europe being the project’s ultimate aim anyway, the EURO existing as a stop-gap measure to create a common market to that end. It was pretty succinct, the one I’m thinking of.
Not well enough organized. :)
Axe on April 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM
Arnold Z- yep. RWM is on it. Always. I love her more!
wolly4321 on April 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Germany, welcome to the 20th century, allow me to show you around….
PXCharon on April 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Touche! And to think just a few years ago -well actually longer – Gerhard Schroeder the progressive liberal darling was leading the way neck and neck with France in the unemployment race, hovering around 11%. And he showed Oboobi how to bail out too big to fail corporations which promptly failed after receiving said huge bailout. Like most failed politicians, he went on to head Gazprom’s German subsidiary. Nice going Gerhard! Of course no one expected Angela to hang on as long as she did. Nicht schlect for Helmut ‘s protege from the extinct DDR.
AH_C on April 30, 2013 at 10:39 PM
while Austria, at 4.7%, and Germany, at 5.4%, had the lowest rates.
Electrongod on April 30, 2013 at 8:07 PM
Just like most of the Bush 43 years!
RJL on April 30, 2013 at 11:02 PM
Actually, Germany and France are co-dependents. Brussels calls the shots.
thatsafactjack on April 30, 2013 at 10:04 PM
That was the whole idea behind the EU, France would rule Europe through their mini-me puppet – Brussels, Belgium.
RJL on April 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM
Not a nation vs nation war, but more of a civil war within the classes, more of a class revolution. Likely to end up a massive c/f.
slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 11:27 PM
As here in the US, the French deserve to suffer for their voting in an overt socialist.
Yep! It fails everywhere, every time it’s tried.
BTW, petty diplomatic sniping is normal, it doesn’t mean Merkel is reaching for the keys to her Panzer.
virgo on May 1, 2013 at 12:42 AM
Between the socialists and hoards of Muslims, France is on the road to a giant collapse…
albill on May 1, 2013 at 7:30 AM
Hey Germany, know the best way to subdue a serious problem child? Spank them until your arms are limp rubber, put them in a restraint chair, and empty their piggy bank in front of their noses. Then when they’re finally too physically weak to scream or thrash, look them straight in their red-rimmed eyes and promise them a repeat of the same.
Absolutely not. The entire EU was like a puppet show with a bunch of small children trying to run the puppets, each trying to pick the other’s pocket for candy and lunch money all the while.
Doesn’t work that way folks. That show won’t run unless you have an adult running things and the children are meekly sitting down taking orders from the adult without a lot of argument.
As for Europe reverting, that’s partly why I wish Germany would say “Screw this” and gear up for another arsewhomping. Because MILLIONS fewer lives would be lost than if Europe reverted to what it used to be; a patchwork of socialist mini-nations run by inbred fops who used everyone else as political pawns or cannon fodder.
MelonCollie on May 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM
Which would be amusing until you realize that they would slap themselves like Mr. Burns would.
Myron Falwell on May 1, 2013 at 10:01 AM
In other words, what happened in 1848 when the intellectuals in France shouted aux barricades! because they didn’t want Papa Metternich and his friends telling them how to avoid another Napoleon any more.
The result, of course, was yet another round in the “Who Wants To Be The 800-Pound Gorilla Of Europe” competition that dates back to at least the time of Richelieu’. (Austrian-Prussian War 1866, Franco-Prussian War 1870-71, Russo-Turkish War 1871-77, etc., and of course the fall of Napoleon III and the Paris Commune.)
Europe’s problem has always been that they pay too much attention to their self-styled intellectuals. Who are usually determined to prove they’re smarter than everybody else by trying to create Utopia. Half of them by “unifying” the place, and the other half by trying to run everyone else out of it. Or kill them all. Or just blow everything the f**k up so they can build on the ruins.
See Europe After The Rain by Max Ernst for what the results look like no matter who does what.
No matter the method or motivation, it never ends well.
clear ether
eon
eon on May 1, 2013 at 5:37 PM