No, Romney didn’t just lose the election

posted at 8:41 am on September 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I got home late last night and missed most of the hysteria over Mitt Romney’s remarks at a fundraiser in May, but I’m glad to see I didn’t miss all of it.  Here’s Josh Barro at Bloomberg, telling us we can take a 50-day nap, because the election is all over now that Romney has described 47% of voters as victims:

You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney’s campaign for president.

On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans “believe that they are victims.” He laments: “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

So what’s the upshot? “My job is not to worry about those people,” he says. He also notes, describing President Obama’s base, “These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.”

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

I’m not going to argue that it’s good for Romney.  This is what comes from candidates attempting to become political analysts on the campaign trail.  Newt Gingrich made this same mistake during the primaries, and it caused him headaches as well.  Candidates need to stick to their message, and shrug off questions about strategy; that’s for staffers to leak to the media.  When candidates forget that, they end up producing sound bites that sound like this, or like Howard Dean’s reality-defying 2004 “Yeargh!” moment in Iowa.

But if quips won elections, I have dozens more damaging in the Obamateurism series than this. This one is hardly fatal, at least in part because Romney is actually on solid ground in terms of the math, as the Daily Beast pointed out last night:

Jim Messina, Obama campaign manager, called the statement “shocking” and “disdainful.” Gail Gitcho, Romney communication director, said that it showed that the former governor really is “concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government.” But ham-handed, principled, offensive, or otherwise, Romney’s words were clearly one thing: true. Here are the facts.

According to the Tax Policy Center, a partnership of the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, 46.4 percent of American filers pay “zero or negative” income tax. …

Paying no income tax is one thing. Being “dependent on government” is another. But under a broad definition of government dependence—that is, receiving federal entitlements—more than 47 percent of us are in Romney’s category. According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of Americans live in a household that receives a government entitlement for “health care” through Medicaid or Medicare, “food” through stamps, disability, Social Security, or a “housing” assistance program. Most of these benefits are not paid for by their recipients, but by federal deficits. The gap between promises and anticipated funds for Social Security is $8.6 trillion for the next 75 years, according to the government’s own estimates (PDF). For Medicare, it’s $27 trillion.

Of course, sometimes perception outruns facts, and the perception of Romney as out of touch with the working class has already been advanced by Team Obama.  The problem with the whole “the election is over” analysis is that it defies history — and recent history at that.  Almost exactly four years earlier, in another fundraiser secretly taped by an attendee, a major-party nominee made the same mistake as Romney and offered some political analysis of why large numbers of voters were probably unreachable in an election.  The nominee — some also-ran named Barack Obama — told his urbane San Francisco crowd of supporters that people in the hinterlands were xenophobic and clung bitterly to their religion and guns in hard times, and would be difficult to win over.  In fact, Obama made oblique references to that argument prior to that tape, occasionally talking about the handicap of having a “funny name” would be with some voters.

That is almost exactly the same kind of argument Romney made, only in the context of government assistance.  How’d that work out for Obama?  Not too bad, as I recall.

This instant-toast analysis is the product of a media with too much pressure to be profound and not enough perspective to resist it.  We like to think that one utterance can decide elections, but it’s really not the case.  For instance, pundits will talk about how Jimmy Carter’s decision to cite his teenage daughter as an expert in a response to a debate question on the biggest issue facing the world lost him the election, but it was the Iran hostage crisis and massive stagflation that made Carter a one-term President.  His predecessor was supposedly set to win until he asserted in a debate that Poland wasn’t under Soviet domination, but Gerald Ford lost that election when he pardoned Richard Nixon two years earlier; after Watergate and the pardon, Republicans weren’t going to keep the White House.  Similarly, we like to think that John McCain lost the election in 2008 when he announced that he would suspend his campaign to return to Washington in the wake of the economic collapse, but after eight years of George Bush, war fatigue, and the economic collapse itself, the likelihood of any Republican winning that election looks close to nil in retrospect.  And perhaps the election of the least-experienced executive in modern American presidential history that year bears that analysis out, too.

In the end, the American people will decide this election not on quips but on records and policy, as they always have.


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ROFL Seriously, do you even read conservative blogs? We have been pleading for just this approach for months, we WANTED this.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Exactly what did he say that you wanted to hear?

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

This won’t be as damaging as they claim, because there’s a lot of truth in what Romney said.

But let’s not pretend it’s not going to hurt a nominee to make disparaging remarks about the American public.

Major fail. But hardly fatal.

tom on September 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Liberals are nothing without their victim status hanging around their necks 24/7 like a badge of honor. Sometimes they even compete for who is the bigger victim.

Their entire lives are framed around who hurt them, who kept them down, who is holding them back. It absolves them of personal responsibility, see.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM

aka petulant adolescents with half formed minds and faulty worldviews protected and supported by others.

Thus,

Conservatives = Parents

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

This from a guy whose own income is subsidized to the tune of millions of dollars a year through the carried interest loophole. And whose wife rides a tax-subsided horse.

could you identify on his tax return where his carried interest income is, how much, and how much tax he did or did not pay on that income? just wondering.

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM

We may be thanking David Corn and Mother Jones for this moment; nothing to galvanize conservatives and conservative leaning independants like a little honesty. Was it me or was the leftist media not completely up in arms as you would have thought today? There was only one segment on this on Morning Joe

Tater Salad on September 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM

This is their strategy, just keep pounding at Romney, hell it would be front page news if one of these lefty hacks heard him f**t.
But it just might backfire on them, if this 47% are so convinced that their “Messiah” is going to win by a landslide then they won’t have get their lazy azzes of the couch to vote.
I think Rommney should not be timid, screw what all these news hacks are doing, he was right he will never get these parasites votes anyway.
Damm the torpedos full speed ahead.
He needs to send in the heavies, Christie, West, Cain, Trump, all the people that aren’t afraid to take on the Chicago Machine.

concernedsenior on September 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

So in this reality world that Romney lives in and it seems that some of you do as well ONLY people who vote Democratic receieve some type of Government benefit.

Wether thats SSI,Medicad,Disability,Section-8,Welfare,Wic,Etc. No one who votes Republican recieves ANY of those benefits. Well, too most of us that just DEFIES LOGIC. But I guess that sounds totally normal to Mitt Romney.

Secondly, as President it IS Romneys job to care about EVERYONE. Sure 47% might not pay income tax but you can damn bet that they are paying sales/state taxes.

I know I personally dont receive anything from the Government and I work 50-60 hours a week. So by Romneys description I should be voting Republican, but I’m not. As humans we make generalizations and sterotype people because most of us are too mentally lazy to judge people and attempt to figure them out on their own merits.

Life isnt as Black and White as some of you would like to believe, theres plenty of gray. Reading thru the comments section here you would think that if we just elected a Republican then everyone in America would have jobs, terrorist across the world would love us and the price of gas and groceries would go back to what they were in the 1960′s. I guess you can imagine that, but to do so you would have to ignore 2000-2008.

I agree with the author these videos dont neccessarily lost Romney the election but they CERTAINLY dont help him win it. All these videos do is help push the meme that’s already out there. What these videos accomplish IS making Obamas job easier.

At the end of the day, I dont listen to the polls. I follow INTRADE. Atleast there people are willing to put their $ where there mouth is and over these last couple months Obama has went from a 51% chance of winning to 67%

That’s all folks.

:)

Politricks on September 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Ultimately, the leaking of this video is designed to motivate the Dem base to vote, hoping their fear of having their benefits cut off will get them to the voting booth.

Mitsouko on September 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. – Benjamin Franklin

We’re just 4% away.

GarandFan on September 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

It is impossible to introduce into society a greater Change and a greater Evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.

Frédéric Bastia

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. Benjamin Franklin

What happens when we get to the tipping point of a majority living on the backs of a minority of producers and achievers?

How long does anyone think that will last?

Chip on September 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

I hope all the bitter clingers and old people considering voting for this true urban elitist understand the contempt in which he holds them.

In the mean time, I can’t help but wonder what ill-concieved and utterly revealing statement will spill from his lips at the debates.

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

funny…

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

This from a guy whose own income is subsidized to the tune of millions of dollars a year through the carried interest loophole. And whose wife rides a tax-subsided horse.

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

You don’t seriously believe that Obama isn’t taking advantage of every single tax loophole in existence on his millions, do you? LOL!

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Regrettably, it IS going to hurt Romney with at least some voters. I had a person in my circle of acquaintances opine that she was changing her vote because her family is on government assistance because they have to be and they bust their butts VERY HARD to get out of that situation. Having that opinion expressed by a very rich person was like a finger in her eye.

I pointed out that I’m still voting for Romney because we still have 13 trillion dollars in debt because we’re spending money we don’t have, that entitlements are the largest factor in that debt, and if Romney’s going to do a better job than reversing that tide it’s worth swallowing a little personal insult. I’m not sticking the next generation with a bigger bill just because the man has foot-in-mouth disease. He’s not the only politician in either party who does.

Be that as it may, it’s going to take something on the order of a miracle for Romney to win at this point. But that’s one thing I learned from baseball — good teams come from behind even from the most impossible situations , while bad teams find ways to lose the most formidable leads. Plenty of time for handwringing and despair AFTER the game, and hopefully it won’t be necessary. Right now we’re too busy trying to win.

Respectfully,

Birna P.

pendell2 on September 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM

GarandFan on September 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Great minds and all that..

Chip on September 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Hey folks, long-time, first-time there. Taking the 10 a.m.-2 p.m. shift on the Axelturf express?

How ’bout a comment on Obama’s indefensible handling of the Middle East last week. Do you find his comments about being “bored with the suburbs” to be defensible? I find them to be verification of his contempt for the white middle-class in this country.

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

“At the end of the day, I dont listen to the polls. I follow INTRADE. Atleast there people are willing to put their $ where there mouth is and over these last couple months Obama has went from a 51% chance of winning to 67%
Politricks on September 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM”

Just a reminder that INTRADE also bet heavily on Obamacare being struck down.

Mitsouko on September 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

ROFL Seriously, do you even read conservative blogs? We have been pleading for just this approach for months, we WANTED this.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

amazing ain’t he…

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM

The WSJ headline screams “Romney Video Derails Bid to Sharpen Message”. I thought- gee, is there another video they are referring to?

Most of us, at least the honest portion, know Mr. Romney is correct. People that can vote themselves more or continued benefits will almost always vote in their self-interest. That’s axiomatic and not enlightening or revealing about anything- except the truth.

Mr. Romney hit on the essence of what this race is about. It is also a key reason for Mr. Obama’s posture vis a vis’ rich vs. poor, have vs. have not and ad nauseum talk of giving gratuitous benefits taken from the pockets of bad, rich people.

Mr. Obama pretends there are massive hidden pockets of wealth- if only we could tap into them. He uses that fairy tale to divide our nation and force people into an impulsive, self preservation mode to take “their” share, even at the expense of others. To do this he fosters hate, envy and ultimately greed as motivational tools. How despicable is that tactic?

Folks this is way beyond the purpose of our constitutional republic’s government. It is also not economically feasible and therefore slowly killing the golden goose that is our capitalistic society.

Marcus Traianus on September 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Wow. Trollapalooza.

kingsjester on September 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM

The only upside, given the field day the disgustingly vile biased press will have, is that this opens the door to revisiting ‘bitter clingers’ which never got the attention it should have in 08.

kit9 on September 18, 2012 at 10:38 AM

There is a third poll in 3 days showing Sitting Bullshat ahead of Brown in MA. It is 600 LV. The poll did not give MOE , The Cherokee is ahead by 24 votes (4%) with 46 (almost 8%)undecided.”

daveyandgoliath on September 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

That is the Suffolk/Channel 7 “Poll”; Channel 7 is the NBC station in Boston, so they have a Democrat Agenda. That “poll” oversampled women, and in fact has a Margin of Error of 4%. So according to that “poll”, it’s a Tie.

The other one, PPP, is a Democrat “Poll”, and only has Warren ahead by 2. MOE for that “poll” is 3.3%

The third “Poll”, from Western New England University, has a MOE of 4.6% among LV and a MOE of 4.2% among RV.

What’s damning is that the two most recent “polls” were both done on exactly the same days (Sept. 13-16), almost as if they were coordinated. And of course, they were both done over the weekend, which pollsters know helps swing the “poll” results to the Democrats.

By the way, “The Simpsons” had a great bit the other night with Homer as Davey from “Davey and Goliath”. It was almost as funny as you are.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Sure 47% might not pay income tax but you can damn bet that they are paying sales/state taxes.

i could be wrong here, but i think what he said was his mesasage of lowering fed income tax rates wouldnt resonate with someone who does not pay taxes, personally. that would be correct right? if someone was voting with a “whats in it for me” state of mind. obama rasied cigarette taxes, if someone didnt smoke they may think “who cares, doesnt effect me”. smokers would be irritated. and some non-smokers may say “this doesnt effect me personally, but i think this is a bad policy even if it doesnt cost ME anything so i am against it”. there are 3 possible answers. candidatesdo ask the question “are you better off” right? that appeals to the “whats in it for me” frame of mind. wouldnt a better question perhaps be then “are we all better off, is the country better off, regardless of your personal situation”.

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 10:39 AM

This would be funny if it wasn’t such a sad commentary on the chattering class.

ConservativeLA on September 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

The base that has been none too excited about a Romney candidacy, the one that grabbed hold of Ryan because Rombo wasn’t the red meat candidate they were hoping for?

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

No one is galvanizing the base (and critical-thinking Indies) like the legacy media.

RepubChica on September 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

This whole kerfuffle just underscores how magnificently tone deaf Romney is. First, he picks a statistic that is suspect at best (people who don’t pay income taxes often pay thousands of dollars in other federal taxes). Second, he’s lumping a for GOP constituency, seniors, in with welfare frauds and medicaid cheats. And, finally, he calls the working poor — people he really should be reaching out to — shiftless leeches.

Instead of saying: there are millions of Americans on food stamps who want to be independent and I am committed to an economy that will give them that opportunity,” he calls them whiners and inked that their poverty is he result of their own moral failing.

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I don’t buy the whole payroll tax argument because it is quite easy to get back all of and more than that with EIC. Or maybe you’re talking about gas or phone taxes or something?

I think your second point is more on point, however. Why say that the people not paying federal income tax are lost to us? Do we think that they always want to be poor and living at the whim of the government? Can’t he make a case that he will implement free market policies that will lift these people up and give them a chance to move into the middle and upper-middle class? Give them and their children a promise of a better future? I really wonder if this guy believes in the free market at all.

besser tot als rot on September 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

If speaking the truth is damaging to a campaign, it says more about the electorate than the candidate.

I am more anti-entitlement than any person on this planet. I swear none of these democrats have the slightest idea about what is going down in Greece. Heads in the sand.

They’d rather watch a cartoon about Julia and how daddy government takes care of all her needs.

Sick.

hanzblinx on September 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM

I know I personally dont receive anything from the Government and I work 50-60 hours a week. So by Romneys description I should be voting Republican, but I’m not.

i dont think he said anything about you. i think he was talking about those that do not pay taxes. presumably if you work 50-60 hours a week you pay some fed income taxes, so he wasnt addressing you. do you agree?

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 10:42 AM

dang ,that mainstream media ripping Romney over stupid remarks he got caught making … that damn liberal Bill Kristol

U2denver on September 18, 2012 at 10:25 AM

You do realize that Kristol is a concern-trolling squish who is frequently reviled by conservatives? Oh, you don’t realize that? Bet you think David Brooks and David Frum are conservatives, too, right?

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Exactly what did he say that you wanted to hear?

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

At least he did mention that 47% aren’t really paying for the maintenance of the federal government. Payroll taxes certainly don’t count for that. But the rest of it was pretty tone deaf and defeatist.

besser tot als rot on September 18, 2012 at 10:42 AM

In the mean time, I can’t help but wonder what ill-concieved and utterly revealing statement will spill from his lips at the debates.

urbane effetist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Romney has already participated in 20 debates this year alone. Your Dear Leader has not participated in any debates in over 4 years.

What you need to worry about is what ill-conceived and utterly revealing statement spills from your guy’s lips at the debates.

Can you say “You didn’t build that”?

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

How ’bout a comment on Obama’s indefensible handling of the Middle East last week. Do you find his comments about being “bored with the suburbs” to be defensible? I find them to be verification of his contempt for the white middle-class in this country.

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Deflect! Deflect! If a liberal would deflect like that, they’d call it a “thread-jack”.

Who are you quoting anyways?

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

If he states on TV during the debates that he’ll forgo the presidential salary like he did as Governor in MA so that he can simply be of service to his country, it would be epic to see Obama’s face in response to that.

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I’ve been hoping he will… and I’m betting during the debates.. He will make that pledge.. it would be the game changer for many working blue collar types.. Hey, he really means it…

Bet on it.

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Yeah…it would induce massive head explosions on the left…

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country & throws it right in their hypocritical liberal faces.

Romney built his wealth through smarts and hard work & offers to forgo the salary & many of the usual benefits because he’s self sufficient & the country’s in trouble…EPIC!

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Yeah, I would love it. Call that one a gaffe, ijits.

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

At the end of the day, I dont listen to the polls. I follow INTRADE. Atleast there people are willing to put their $ where there mouth is and over these last couple months Obama has went from a 51% chance of winning to 67%

That’s all folks.

:)

Politricks on September 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Seriously, you use Intrade as a barometer on the race? Those predictions are based on the wildly skewed polling we’ve seen, the ones with the ridiculous Dem samples. The people making investments have no special insight into the race. For example, according to Intrade Santorum had a 60% + chance of winning the OH primary the night of that election. He lost. For the MS primary, Intrade had Romney taking it based on polling…he lost it to Santorum.

changer1701 on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

I am a conservative, so that explains how I feel about Romney, however, my reaction after I read his leaked statement was first, he was telling the truth, and second, that is exactly what you would expect to hear during a campaign strategy meeting. I was listening to a local Denver conservative radio station this morning, and they were talking about the statistics of people on food stamps, subsidized housing, disability, etc., and taking calls from people who are on these programs. It was eye opening in that many of the callers have been on these programs for a very long time. One lady had worked for the State and has been receiving welfare since she was 50 years old and is now 65 years old. Yet, she was complaining about younger people who were “living in luxury” and their day consisted of “doing nothing”. I could go on, but my point is that Romney really didn’t say anything that wasn’t true, and this is a great subject to open up. If the liberal media wants to talk about this issue, they can’t deny the statistics that back up Romney’s statement. Romney’s statement about who the taxpayers are is also valid because it’s the taxpayers that pay for these programs.

It’s time for Romney to lay out the specifics of his plan, if he has one.

lea on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

I agree with the author these videos dont neccessarily lost Romney the election but they CERTAINLY dont help him win it.

i am not sure i follow that. can you elaborate on how this hurts? what specifically would this do to influence a voter who is undecided?

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

what he should do is show it for what it is.. a failure of government especially under Obama to create jobs

theblacksheepwasright on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Regrettably, it IS going to hurt Romney with at least some voters. I had a person in my circle of acquaintances opine that she was changing her vote because her family is on government assistance because they have to be and they bust their butts VERY HARD to get out of that situation. Having that opinion expressed by a very rich person was like a finger in her eye.

pendell2 on September 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM

So she’s not a single issue voter, she’s a single sentence voter? Well alrighty then.

If she’s willing to change her vote based on something like that, she’s a liberal at heart who is incapable of critical thinking (redundant, I know) and should embrace it once and for all.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

I’m not going to argue that it’s good for Romney.
– Ed

Thank you!

And I agree that he didn’t just lose the election. Lots of factors contributing to that.

verbaluce on September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

At the end of the day, I dont listen to the polls. I follow INTRADE.

Politricks on September 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

And you wonder why we laugh at you…

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

“I can see why Democrats are so offended. How dare Mitt Romney say they’re dependent on the government? Only Democrats get to say they’re dependent on the government!

Has everybody already forgotten “Julia”?

If you haven’t seen the whole “Life of Julia” slideshow on Obama’s campaign site, or if you need a refresher, check it out. The entire premise is that you’re dependent on the government from cradle to grave, and The Evil Mitt Romney is going to take it all away from you and make you fend for yourself…”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/democrats-think-romney-just-self-destructed-by-pointing-out-um-their-entire-strategy/#ixzz26pfgLpEQ

Brilliant!

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Hey folks, long-time, first-time there. Taking the 10 a.m.-2 p.m. shift on the Axelturf express?

How ’bout a comment on Obama’s indefensible handling of the Middle East last week. Do you find his comments about being “bored with the suburbs” to be defensible? I find them to be verification of his contempt for the white middle-class in this country.

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Don’t forget President Downgrade disastrous economic policies, and his disastrous energy policies and his..

Chip on September 18, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Actually he could have made a better point.

He would have better said that he was writing off those of the 47% who want to stay that way, and hopes to win the votes of those who don’t by offering better opportunities.

Problem is that people believe the Lefty narrative that once bought people stay bought. Some groups certainly have, but others really don’t like such dependence and the attendant loss of self-respect, something the Left does not understand.

Denver Bob on September 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

verbaluce on September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

So WHY do you want even more of Downgrade?

Chip on September 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Exactly what did he say that you wanted to hear?

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

The truth.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM

I know I personally dont receive anything from the Government and I work 50-60 hours a week. So by Romneys description I should be voting Republican, but I’m not.

And some people still wander through life in a dream-like state of emotional confusion, too.

We can’t wake every one up at once. It would overload the mess hall and then there would be complaints about service and selection.

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Wow. Trollapalooza.

kingsjester on September 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Yup. They all know Romney scored a Direct Hit. That’s why they have all been running around here like headless chickens since last night.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM

I think Romney was addressing the fact that the 47% who pay no federal tax not only like it that way but would like more benefits at the expense of those who do. I don’t think there is anything controversial about this. I hear it every single day, and I mean that.

Nobody, even the evil GOP, want to take support away from the elderly and the truly disabled.

“I should get a decent apartment” is a frequent refrain from people who do no taxable work. “You need to find me a place to live”. “You need to find me transportation”. “You need too keep me in the hospital until the check comes on the 3rd”. “I am not going to the Board of Social services”.

clnurnberg on September 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Here’s a clue, since you obviously don’t have one: Someone who proudly names herself “urban elitist” loses the right to call anybody “tone deaf.”

You, like your unempathic racist punk of a President, have contempt for everyone in middle-class suburbia and believe the world ends at the borders of your precious city.

“Tone deaf”? Once again, what liberals excel best at is projection.

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM

From the slimestream media perspective, this is the campaign from here on out. They’re gonna drop grenades like this every day trying to “instant-toast” Romney and I’m betting it backfires big-time on them. This 47% thing could bring a lotta things to the surface and into the discussion that the lefturds will find they probably didn’t want uncovered. And this strategy will start making them look pretty foolish very soon.

stukinIL4now on September 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Life isnt as Black and White as some of you would like to believe, theres plenty of gray. Reading thru the comments section here you would think that if we just elected a Republican then everyone in America would have jobs, terrorist across the world would love us and the price of gas and groceries would go back to what they were in the 1960′s. I guess you can imagine that, but to do so you would have to ignore 2000-2008.

i am sorry that what you are getting here. but please understand thats your perception and not reality. the reality of what i think most of us believe is with GOP policies MORE people would be working. rather than liberal policies that have proven to increase poverty and unemployment. for a 100 years. thats all. not utopia. thats generally a liberl mindset. our side doesnt believe in utopia, we beleive in humans being imperfect. as our founders did. and that with conservative policies in an imperfect world, it would be a little better. thats all.
and i think we also believe in supply and demand. so increasing supply reduces prices. ya know, not complicated. do what works. dont do whats never worked. and cant work. so voting GOP doesnt increase supply of a traded commodity with a worldwide market no. but actively reducing supply does increase prices. can we agree on that?

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM

SHOCKING: obama attends fundraiser while romney burns

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Look we all know this is the elephant in the room. What Mitt was saying (and I agree with him) is that this 47% is in the tank for Obama because they are living off the government teat and don’t want to lose their Obama stash money. He was talking strategy and he’s correct. It’s like Rush says, you can’t reason with these people you can only defeat them. I believe that is a winning argument for many independants as well as the base and that will be enough to win.

My hope is that once Romney is elected (please G-d!) then his government will start correcting this tax inequity. The only way to make people care about the GDP and taxes is to make them have to pay some in.

This WILL be brought up in the debates and Mitt’s response needs to be that many are in the 47% due to Obama’s policies and for those people he wants to help them get a job and get off the dole.

neyney on September 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM

The Tea Party and republicans’ new slogan: We are the 47%!

LMAO.

It’s hilarious reading this article after reading the comments claiming “People don’t see themselves as not paying taxes so this is a great topic for Romney to pounce on :

Republicans dwell on the heroic entrepreneur held back by taxes and regulation, which must be part of the story that a free-market party tells. But most people don’t see themselves in that storyline, any more than they see themselves as dependents of the federal government. They don’t see Americans as divided between makers and takers.

YOU ARE THE LAZY BUMBS!!!!

com’on…you have to see the irony here…no? Or is this article propaganda too?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I hope all the bitter clingers and old people considering voting for this true urban elitist understand the contempt in which he holds them.

In the mean time, I can’t help but wonder what ill-concieved and utterly revealing statement will spill from his lips at the debates.

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

You are an idiot..

I’m very much in the 47%.. and there was no contempt there, except for the left wing hacks like you who do everything possible to trap people in dependency..

The man gives away 16% of his personal wealth to the poor and to charity.. He sponsors and helps families he does not even know.. just because he’s a caring guy.. He helped a man and wife who had just lost their jobs… to buy their own home from him..

and you think he holds poor Americans in contempt?

unlike your as*hole in chief.. the poser who’d rather hang with the hip hop crowd at a fund raiser, than get his as* back to his JOB, and work to secure our Embassy personel…..

That care giver you dolts worship?

GFYS.. this family is voting for the guy who doesn’t need a camera to help someone.. and doesn’t need the approval of douche bags who exploit the poor as cannon fodder in their war on intelligence.

Mitt is ten times the man your scumbag president is, and always will be.

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Deflect! Deflect! If a liberal would deflect like that, they’d call it a “thread-jack”.

Who are you quoting anyways?

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Rectal soreness?

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:50 AM

verbaluce on September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

So WHY do you want even more of Downgrade?

Chip on September 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

You do know I don’t share your view on that…right?
Why do you want to try trickle down again?
Maybe you are a trickle downer…so in that case I can see how it’d be nice for you.

verbaluce on September 18, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/democrats-think-romney-just-self-destructed-by-pointing-out-um-their-entire-strategy/#ixzz26pfgLpEQ

Brilliant!

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Treach knows how to knock it out of the park.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM

At what point will people realize that Romney is being honest. He certainly didn’t sound like a politician.

In fact not being a ‘good politician’ is the rap the media and squishy r’s are laying on him.

Contrast that with Obama and Clinton–politicians every waking moment.

The media loves dishonesty as long as their guy wins.

MaggiePoo on September 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM

WLS radio in Chicago keeps playing a clip from either the day of or right before the 2008 election – it goes something like this:

Reporter: Who did you vote for?
Voter: Obama
Reporter: Why?
Voter:He gonna pay for my gas, my house, my car.
Reporter: With what money?
Voter: I don’t know. Obama money.
Reporter: Obama money?
Voter: Yeah, he got a stash. Obama money.
Reporter: Where does he get it?
Voter: I don’t know. He got it and I’m gonna get it.

In the background you can hear others chanting “Obama, Obama, Obama” and the person being questioned joins in.

This is a member of the 47%. This is the mindset they have – the government safety net is their hammock, and they don’t want anyone to change that, and will vote for anyone that promises to expand it, with no expectation that they will need to do anything to get these “free” handouts.

This is what I am pissed about. I do our taxes every year, and I know what I send to the government, and it ends up supporting people like this. It really frosts me, and I know it really frosts others as well.

italianguy626 on September 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM

SHOCKING: obama attends fundraiser while romney Middle East foreign policy burns

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

And the people who pay federal income tax are also paying sales tax and state tax and every other imaginable tax. A flat tax would be helpful. Nobody should pay nothing and demand, demand, demand. Wouldn’t Barky call this “skin in the game”? The tax they pay on booze, cigarettes and dining out shouldn’t be considered such a big “contribution”.

clnurnberg on September 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

ROFL Seriously, do you even read conservative blogs?

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

it’s a guilty pleasure!

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Treacher is the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MaggiePoo on September 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

The Tea Party and republicans’ new slogan: We are the 47%!

Not me, I am part of the 53% who pay taxes and, therefore, support the 47% who don’t.

lea on September 18, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Ed, I would like to get your thoughts on 2 nuances on the

How’d that work out for Obama? Not too bad, as I recall

1) Would you agree that this comment caused him to lose PA by 10 points?

2) Do you think Romney has the same luxury given how he’s polling in OH and MI?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 18, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Mitt is ten times the man your scumbag president is, and always will be.

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Mitt Romney was not my first or second choice in this election, but that is a 100% true statement and I will be crawling through barbed wire, broken glass and toxic waste to vote for him.

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM

SHOCKING: obama attends fundraiser while romney burns

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Don’t you have a dusty garage to clean out for a yard sale?

RepubChica on September 18, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Trolls are out in force today!

I notice they’ve vacated the Middle East disaster threads.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 10:57 AM

The Tea Party and republicans’ new slogan: We are the 47%!

Actually the Tea Party and Republican new slogan should be “We are the 53% because we actually pay for the other 47%.

neyney on September 18, 2012 at 10:57 AM

My mind just went to an image of all of the debate moderators scribbling, scratching-out, eventually trashing page after page of planned questions … ROFLMAO !!
No more “how awesome are you, Mr. Prez??”
Now we have the ME, entitlement reforms, etc etc. YAY !!

That Mitt spoke this way without anticipating his words will be broadcast, AND THEN fully backing them up, encourages me as to how he’ll respond in the debates.
He has facts and truths, and there’s nothing more rock-solid to depend on when “attacked” for them at the debates.

I don’t see this as lifting the lid off the kimchi pot, like the hand-wringers.
Instead, it’s LIGHT and the roaches can’t stand that !!

pambi on September 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM

At the debates, Mr. Doledelmonte, I’ll be looking for another 10 grand bet, or maybe an admission that the only reason he doesn’t want illegals working on his yard is because he has an election coming up. My he could talk about firing people.

“urban elitist” is self-parody, too subtle for the likes of yo, apparently. At any rate, I’m not screwing up a six-year, billion dollar White House run by going to parties and doing Thurston Howell imitations.

And some of my best friends are middle class suburbanites.

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM

This is a member of the 47%. This is the mindset they have – the government safety net is their hammock, and they don’t want anyone to change that, and will vote for anyone that promises to expand it, with no expectation that they will need to do anything to get these “free” handouts.

This is what I am pissed about. I do our taxes every year, and I know what I send to the government, and it ends up supporting people like this. It really frosts me, and I know it really frosts others as well.

italianguy626 on September 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM

You and a million others that are fighting everyday to prevent from becoming Government slaves. Finally, someone on the national stage has the testicular fortitude to tell the truth.

jjnco73 on September 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Deflect! Deflect! If a liberal would deflect like that, they’d call it a “thread-jack”.

Who are you quoting anyways?

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Project, project! That’s what you lefties do best. It is actually you who deflected by not answering my questions about Obama saying that “I’m not interested in the suburbs. The suburbs bore me.”

For every imagined and over-exaggerated “gaffe” you leftists convince yourself that Romney committed (and I’m fine with what he said; it’s the truth, and those offended by it weren’t going to vote for him anyway), your hallowed sociopath of a President commits 50 genuine gaffes.

His “you didn’t build that” will offend scores more than anything Mitt said.

And his “advantage” on national security issues has been exposed as a myth in the wake of his campaign junket to Vegas after his handling (and Hillary’s) of embassy security on 9/11 helped get four Americans killed.

Barack Obama is a lying, America-hating racist.

And Mitt Romney told the truth.

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 10:59 AM

I’m loving the NY Times threads where Democrats are trumpeting, “the election is OVER!”

By all means, let the Democratic base think it’s no longer necessary to show up at the polls in November.

DarthBrooks on September 18, 2012 at 10:59 AM

BTW, this tape was supposedly made by Jimmy Carter IV. Talk about being being a victim from birth.

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Why on Earth would he keep that name? Does Jimmy have a big inheritance?

slickwillie2001 on September 18, 2012 at 11:00 AM

and you think he holds poor Americans in contempt?

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I don’t think he does…but I don’t think really thinks much about them at all…outside of a charitable donation or a lending hand. And those are good things.
But he wants to be president. And one needs to be a little less pedestrian in their thinking and outlook. He thinks so little about the reality and greater implications of policy and what it would truly mean to represent 100% of the people, that he’s able to regurgitate lame distorted talking points about who does and doesn’t pay taxes. (Give him credit for at least making the income tax distinction on that stat that is usually left out.) He truly believes that people will only vote for him because he will cut THEIR taxes – and that they’ll vote against him if he can’t do that. Maybe he should just hand out $50 bills.
Many who would see tax deductions under his plan still wouldn’t vote for him. And many in the ’47%’ would indeed vote for the guy.
But he really – REALLY – doesn’t understand that.
You guys are spinning for him here, Fox News is spinning…
but most folks will only need to hear him share how he really feels – to know how he really feels.
They’re not electing a Rotary Club president.
The American electorate is smart.

verbaluce on September 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM

I think Romney was addressing the fact that the 47% who pay no federal tax not only like it that way but would like more benefits at the expense of those who do. I don’t think there is anything controversial about this. I hear it every single day, and I mean that.

Nobody, even the evil GOP, want to take support away from the elderly and the truly disabled.

“I should get a decent apartment” is a frequent refrain from people who do no taxable work. “You need to find me a place to live”. “You need to find me transportation”. “You need too keep me in the hospital until the check comes on the 3rd”. “I am not going to the Board of Social services”.

clnurnberg on September 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM

It’s no secret Liberals want to turn the USA into a European Model….and that eutopian boat is sinking.

I have a liberal friend and I asked her “Texas or France?”
she was addled by this simple question…I repeated it “Do you want to be Texas or France?”

Then as she tried to splain it to me I told her “Your father and all your independent Texan ancestors are rollin’ in their graves right about now…”

That in a nutshell is the ideology we are up against…and when confronted with it Liberals sputter in the morass of cognitive dissonance.

She couldn’t stand the exposition of her entire philosophy in such a simple way…Her desire to be like Europe & the rejoinder that Europe is not America & is failing on every level.

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Romney earned quite a bit more respect from me with this video. But as many pointed out in the 1400 long thread last night. It does not include Social Security or Medicare. Too many on our own side believe the lies the government spoke to them. In 2010, counting pubulic employee retirees who are paid for by tax payers, there were 1.425 private sector producing workers for every retiree collecting. Social security never had a lock box. The money from the tax always went to the general fund. IOUs are just that, they have no intrinsic value unless you replace them with taxed dollars, created from nothing dollars or borrowed dollars, all of which takes more money from producers and hands it to non producers.

So I am going to go back to my bitter self and proclaim that without Cut, Cap and Balance or something very close as a front and center aspect of his campaign, I will not be voting for Romney.

I will look at his past in a slightly better light due to this, but it will not be extrordinary. At this point, my vote is sidelined until further self imposed demands are met. Pretty much, I’ll sell my vote for a blanced budget amendment with a cap certain on federal spending.

Then the producers and the looters can fight over that limited pie all they want, just so long as new debt is not piled onto my daughter’s shoulders to pay for welfare.

astonerii on September 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM

At the debates, Mr. Doledelmonte, I’ll be looking for another 10 grand bet

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM

You’ll be donating all that to charity, yes? Or to the feds to help pay down the national debt? Because you won’t have really earned that and therefore have no right to it and should share that wealth.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 11:02 AM

The Tea Party and republicans’ new slogan: We are the 47%!
Not me, I am part of the 53% who pay taxes and, therefore, support the 47% who don’t.

lea on September 18, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Sorry to repeat what you said lea, we must have posted at the same time. Great minds think alike eh?

neyney on September 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I will be crawling through barbed wire, broken glass and toxic waste to vote for him.

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM

life in detroit hasnt changed much sounds like.

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM

italianguy626 on September 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM

This person has not fallen into the trap of dependency, he dove in head first and wants more. The fact that other people’s work provides “the stash”, doesn’t concern him. Even a bigger problem is the part of the electorate who believed that people make this choice “through no fault of their own” and that they are “trapped”. People choose to door poorly at school, to do poorly at work with bad attitudes, high absenteeism, and low quality effort. They choose to drink, to commit crimes, to do drugs and to demand compensation for these things.

The part of the 47% who receives social security and medicare after a lifetime of work or disability understands this.

clnurnberg on September 18, 2012 at 11:04 AM

I will be crawling through barbed wire, broken glass and toxic waste to vote for him.

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM

After watching the 2016 movie last night, I can say the same. Add some fire and a pack of rabid dogs to the mix, even.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM

verbaluce on September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM
So WHY do you want even more of Downgrade?

Chip on September 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Don’t bother. The left is becomes collectively illiterate when it comes to actually articulating a defensible case for their candidate. They cannot make the case for Obama. When challenged to, they ignore the question or come back with, “but Romney …”

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Deflect! Deflect! If a liberal would deflect like that, they’d call it a “thread-jack”.

Who are you quoting anyways?

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Rectal soreness?

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I’m sure there’s an iphone app for that…

*snicker*

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Didn’t Romney lose the election last week? Why even bother voting anymore? So a presidential candidate reveals himself?

Mr. Joe on September 18, 2012 at 11:06 AM

The American electorate is smart.

verbaluce on September 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM

2008 is calling, it wants to have a word with you.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM

SHOCKING: obama attends fundraiser while romney burns Americans oversees are murdered and U.S. embassies are routed.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM

FIFY

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 11:08 AM

It’s time for Romney to lay out the specifics of his plan, if he has one.

lea on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

It’s time for the lazy to go to his website where you will find detailed plans on all topics from Soup to Nuts.

Basilsbest on September 18, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Didn’t Romney lose the election last week? Why even bother voting anymore? So a presidential candidate reveals himself?

Mr. Joe on September 18, 2012 at 11:06 AM

skyfalling repeatedly or something like that…

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 11:09 AM

“urban elitist” is self-parody, too subtle for the likes of yo

urbane effetist on September 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Your entire output here on Hot Gas is self-parody.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 11:09 AM

It’s shocking when one candidate actually tells the truth.

WannabeAnglican on September 18, 2012 at 11:10 AM

it’s a guilty pleasure!

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Weren’t you complaining earlier that you don’t follow unspecified links? Why would you then use them yourself?

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 11:10 AM

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

You know what’s sad? They allow you to teach our young adults.

kingsjester on September 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Anyone taking a class in Post-Dada Lesbian Haiku is probably beyond help anyway. It’s the K-12 we have to fix.

slickwillie2001 on September 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM

DDm: I will be waiting for Mitt to announce another $10 thousand bet: trying to slap Obama with his wallet.

I just want you to know that I’m typing this on the iPhone I got by trading food stamps to a drug dealer who stole it from a job creator. And i have time to kill because the line to re-up my benefits is so long. But worth it: tonight I’ll be drinking gin and juice, thanks to your tax dollars.

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM

It’s time for Romney to lay out the specifics of his plan, if he has one.

lea on September 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Rombo is going through the phonebook and personally contacting every single American directly.

Or you could get off your fat ass and go looking yourself. Fat, dumb and Twinkie-addicted is no way to go through life, son.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Wow. Trollapalooza.

kingsjester on September 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM

After the football game last night I looked at last night’s article on this, 1100+ articles; I read the last page and threw it in.

slickwillie2001 on September 18, 2012 at 11:13 AM

The American electorate is smart censored.

verbaluce on September 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Ask any Obama supporter what the name Frank Marshall Davis means to them.

Ask any Obama supporter if they know what the New Party is.

Ask any Obama supporter if they ever heard of the movie “2016″

The media controls EVERY aspect of what the “electorate” knows and understands. As with the 2008 election the media censored the Leftist side and worked overtime on condemning the Republican side.

2012 is no different. Change the R candidate, and the strategy would be the same. Destroy at all costs. Other than FOX no one in the media WOULD DARE to cross the BIG MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT.

Except Clint Eastwood.

FlaMurph on September 18, 2012 at 11:13 AM

The American electorate is smart.

verbaloon on September 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM

No they’re not.

Before 2008, a Presidential candidate had never won 70% of the high school dropout vote.

O’bamna did.

By the way, before 2008, the record for winning the high school dropout vote was 61%. Also won by the Democrat “candidate”.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 11:13 AM

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