No, Romney didn’t just lose the election

posted at 8:41 am on September 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I got home late last night and missed most of the hysteria over Mitt Romney’s remarks at a fundraiser in May, but I’m glad to see I didn’t miss all of it.  Here’s Josh Barro at Bloomberg, telling us we can take a 50-day nap, because the election is all over now that Romney has described 47% of voters as victims:

You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney’s campaign for president.

On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans “believe that they are victims.” He laments: “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

So what’s the upshot? “My job is not to worry about those people,” he says. He also notes, describing President Obama’s base, “These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.”

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

I’m not going to argue that it’s good for Romney.  This is what comes from candidates attempting to become political analysts on the campaign trail.  Newt Gingrich made this same mistake during the primaries, and it caused him headaches as well.  Candidates need to stick to their message, and shrug off questions about strategy; that’s for staffers to leak to the media.  When candidates forget that, they end up producing sound bites that sound like this, or like Howard Dean’s reality-defying 2004 “Yeargh!” moment in Iowa.

But if quips won elections, I have dozens more damaging in the Obamateurism series than this. This one is hardly fatal, at least in part because Romney is actually on solid ground in terms of the math, as the Daily Beast pointed out last night:

Jim Messina, Obama campaign manager, called the statement “shocking” and “disdainful.” Gail Gitcho, Romney communication director, said that it showed that the former governor really is “concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government.” But ham-handed, principled, offensive, or otherwise, Romney’s words were clearly one thing: true. Here are the facts.

According to the Tax Policy Center, a partnership of the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, 46.4 percent of American filers pay “zero or negative” income tax. …

Paying no income tax is one thing. Being “dependent on government” is another. But under a broad definition of government dependence—that is, receiving federal entitlements—more than 47 percent of us are in Romney’s category. According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of Americans live in a household that receives a government entitlement for “health care” through Medicaid or Medicare, “food” through stamps, disability, Social Security, or a “housing” assistance program. Most of these benefits are not paid for by their recipients, but by federal deficits. The gap between promises and anticipated funds for Social Security is $8.6 trillion for the next 75 years, according to the government’s own estimates (PDF). For Medicare, it’s $27 trillion.

Of course, sometimes perception outruns facts, and the perception of Romney as out of touch with the working class has already been advanced by Team Obama.  The problem with the whole “the election is over” analysis is that it defies history — and recent history at that.  Almost exactly four years earlier, in another fundraiser secretly taped by an attendee, a major-party nominee made the same mistake as Romney and offered some political analysis of why large numbers of voters were probably unreachable in an election.  The nominee — some also-ran named Barack Obama — told his urbane San Francisco crowd of supporters that people in the hinterlands were xenophobic and clung bitterly to their religion and guns in hard times, and would be difficult to win over.  In fact, Obama made oblique references to that argument prior to that tape, occasionally talking about the handicap of having a “funny name” would be with some voters.

That is almost exactly the same kind of argument Romney made, only in the context of government assistance.  How’d that work out for Obama?  Not too bad, as I recall.

This instant-toast analysis is the product of a media with too much pressure to be profound and not enough perspective to resist it.  We like to think that one utterance can decide elections, but it’s really not the case.  For instance, pundits will talk about how Jimmy Carter’s decision to cite his teenage daughter as an expert in a response to a debate question on the biggest issue facing the world lost him the election, but it was the Iran hostage crisis and massive stagflation that made Carter a one-term President.  His predecessor was supposedly set to win until he asserted in a debate that Poland wasn’t under Soviet domination, but Gerald Ford lost that election when he pardoned Richard Nixon two years earlier; after Watergate and the pardon, Republicans weren’t going to keep the White House.  Similarly, we like to think that John McCain lost the election in 2008 when he announced that he would suspend his campaign to return to Washington in the wake of the economic collapse, but after eight years of George Bush, war fatigue, and the economic collapse itself, the likelihood of any Republican winning that election looks close to nil in retrospect.  And perhaps the election of the least-experienced executive in modern American presidential history that year bears that analysis out, too.

In the end, the American people will decide this election not on quips but on records and policy, as they always have.


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The truth shall set ye free.

Knott Buyinit on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

So we’re just going to ignore the fact that many of the 47% are GOP voters

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Can you prove that with credible cites?

(Starts Stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

“A large proportion of these unemployed and their dependents have been forced on the relief rolls. The burden on the Federal Government has grown with great rapidity. We have here a human as well as an economic problem. When humane considerations are concerned, Americans give them precedence. The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of a sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America. Work must be found for able-bodied, but destitute workers.

The Federal Government must and shall quit this business of relief.

I am not willing that the vitality of our people be further sapped by the giving of cash, of market baskets, of a few hours of weekly work cutting grass, raking leaves, or picking up papers in the public parks. We must preserve not only the bodies of the unemployed from destitution, but also their self-respect, their self-reliance, and courage and determination.”

- President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, State of the Union speech, 1935

Resist We Much on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Flora Duh on September 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Just like they left us in 1980.

kingsjester on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Well sure because the commenter dms is white, says so right in their post. They also noted their gender.

Seriously, do you keep race on the forefront of everything you do in life, because that was a stupid sad comment of yours.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

If libfree didn’t keep race in the forefront of everything he’d be unable to sustain his superior level of moral outrage. And be out of a job and had wasted years in an institution of “higher learning”.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

The “moochers” pay Social Security, sales, Medicare, city and state taxes. The EIC (might I remind you) is a GOP idea, meant to reduce the burden of taxes on low income workers who already pay a big chunk of their income to those other forms of taxation. You guys aren’t even making mathematical sense here.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Except… that is NOT how it works..

People don’t merely claim deductions and get their withheld money back.. they get a giant check as well…. My wife had almost 2000 with held.. my SSD is non taxable.. the return check?

8000 dollars…

and don’t try and NOT claim it.. we did.. and the IRS returned our taxes and said.. you missed a important deduction.. redo and resubmit.. here’s an extension..

all unasked for..

You have no clue how it works, or how much people are getting in a massive unasked for welfare payout.. I know this, having been caught in it..

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

dms on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Someone born into Democrat Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Is the fact that 47% of Americans not paying income tax, more disturbing than the buffoon in the White House adding nearly $6 trillion to the deficit, and all we have to show for it, is this lame Obama for America tee shirt?

TheStatistQuo on September 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

We can’t afford to provide all these goodies for half the country anymore.

Doughboy on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Oh yes we can, by taxing people like me, a never-ending fount of money who will never change his status in any way in response to what is being taken.

If we as producers decide to respond by withdrawing in any substantive way from the economy, the balloon will go up.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM

i’m not actually human but a devilishly clever bot designed drive good conservatives into confusion and despair.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Grand Wizard, make no mistake. Those voices you hear in your head coming from us are not confusion. They are not despair. They’re laughter. Lots and lots of laughter.

MNHawk on September 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM

President Obama wanted class warfare. Well now he has it.

The only idiots who will throw a hissy fit over Romney’s remarks are the people who weren’t going to vote for him anyway.

Romney is right. If he can convince that 5-10% that WANT to be free of Govt to vote for him, he can win.

This is Romney’s Reagan Moment. If he plays this right, he will win.

#war

@gadsdenrattlers on Twitter

GadsdenRattlers on September 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Playing the race card already? Pathetic.

Doughboy on September 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

It’s all they have left.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

“In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
George Orwell

TarheelBen on September 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Perfect quote

WiRichey on September 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

No, Romney didn’t just lose the election

Of course not, he lost it several months ago.

newtopia on September 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

If libfree didn’t keep race in the forefront of everything he’d be unable to sustain his superior level of moral outrage. And be out of a job and had wasted years in an institution of “higher learning”.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Sometimes he can be lucid, but then he loses it and tosses out trash comments like that without knowing anything about the person he is responding to.

I can’t imagine going through life feeling as if everything exists merely to victimize me.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

A quote from a May fundraiser gets released on a Mon. when it has been determined there is more blood on Barry’s and Hillary’s hands over the ME debacle…color me surprised.

hillsoftx on September 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

This is a plus for Romney because it focuses on the economy and Obama’s failures. The Obama campaign and the media will run from this because it is the lastdebate they want right now. Frankly, I don’t even see the big deal, Romney is right that people who don’t pay taxes don’t care about a promise to lower taxes.

Ellis on September 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I like this honesty, and it’s not the first time he has said something like this. A couple months ago (or more), he pretty much said to a heckler that if you like depending on government, then vote for the “other guy”.

And it’s true. If you want to collect government benefits and don’t want a job, then Obama is your guy. If Obama wins because of that, then the USA has already gone to shit, and the only way back is if the people change, not the president.

The Rogue Tomato on September 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

technopeasant on September 18, 2012 at 8:50 AM

And Obama is a racist who hates the suburbs, hates the middle-class, hates Catholics, hates white people, is an anti-Semite and hates the United States.

Deny any of that at risk of looking like a fool. It’s all true.

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

The fatal mistake in all this is Mitt holding a press conference as if he did something wrong.

newtopia on September 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

If libfree didn’t keep race in the forefront of everything he’d be unable to sustain his superior level of moral outrage. And be out of a job and had wasted years in an institution of “higher learning”.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Liberals are nothing without their victim status hanging around their necks 24/7 like a badge of honor. Sometimes they even compete for who is the bigger victim.

Their entire lives are framed around who hurt them, who kept them down, who is holding them back. It absolves them of personal responsibility, see.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Is it because the truth hurts? Romney’s comments were spot on.

jediwebdude on September 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM

President Obama wanted class warfare. Well now he has it.

The only idiots who will throw a hissy fit over Romney’s remarks are the people who weren’t going to vote for him anyway.

Romney is right. If he can convince that 5-10% that WANT to be free of Govt to vote for him, he can win.

This is Romney’s Reagan Moment. If he plays this right, he will win.

#war

@gadsdenrattlers on Twitter

GadsdenRattlers on September 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Bingo! We have a winner. Especially the middle class that are fighting everyday to prevent from becoming slaves. You know, the Obama targets form the last four years.

jjnco73 on September 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM

This instant-toast analysis is the product of a media with too much pressure to be profound and not enough perspective to resist it.

I am not sure the reason for the instant toast analysis is the word has gone out it appears to declare the election over. This is an Axelrod strategy to kill momentum by an opponent down the stretch. Do you remember the Obama people and the press declaring Hillary toast way early? Axelrod and crew love this tactic. It is why they pressure people like Gallup to help them declare the race over before it goes down the home stretch.

Conan on September 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM

The EIC (might I remind you) is a GOP idea

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

You’re conveniently leaving out the Inconvenient Truth about how a Democrat President (the same one who left his successor the 9/11 attacks) massively expanded EIC in 1993.

You’re also leaving out the massive EIC enforcement problems that have arisen since said Democrat President did that.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

the untold story in the LSM, Obowmao’s attempts to grow that 47% to 51%. I am quickly becoming one of the disillusioned GOP voters. Every channel from local news to Fox this morning leads off with the rage created by the muslim video trailer. The only people in the country who hear anything other than the movie causing these attacks are us.

screwauger on September 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

The fatal mistake in all this is Mitt holding a press conference as if he did something wrong.

I actually think this is a plan. say something controversial(but that he believes)

then come out with a press conference where he gets 20 -30 minutes of prime coverage and bashes Obama.

the BASE is eating it up.

gerrym51 on September 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Look how independent voters answer the question of whether the government is too involved in our lives and explain to me how Romney’s statement isn’t going to be a winner:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157481/majority-say-government-doing.aspx

eyedoc on September 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

So we’re just going to ignore the fact that many of the 47% are GOP voters

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Can you prove that with credible cites?

(Starts Stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I have no idea what the numbers are, but I’m a GOP voter as is my wife.. and we’re in the 47%..

I’m ashamed of it.. but.. they don’t let you not claim the eraned income credit.. Tried to skip it, and the IRS sent it back, with a nasty letter telling us to do it over and claim it.. or would we like the IRS to calculate it for us..

The year I stopped paying federal taxes.. I felt sick over it.. true it was never a great amount,.. but it was my part in paying my share, my wife’s too..

and now, I’m no longer a income tax payer..

every OTHER tax, yeah..

I believe much as the money helps.. they should rescale.. or completely end the earned income tax credit.. When you stop paying federal taxes.. what reason do you have to care how much they screw everyone else.. we .. all of us.. should pay SOMETHING.. or we’re no longer part of the shared sacrifices that everyone is asked to make.. we’re now in the government training program for the victim dependency class..

and I hate every second of it..

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

GadsdenRattlers on September 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Agreed.

The Bringer on September 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I actually think this is a plan. say something controversial(but that he believes)

then come out with a press conference where he gets 20 -30 minutes of prime coverage and bashes Obama.

the BASE is eating it up.

gerrym51 on September 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I can’t say if I believe it was necessarily planned, but Rombo definitely cut the media aszhats off at the knees by telling them to release the full video footage.

They were all set to leak little bits out and keep the story simmering and now that plan is as dead as Elvis.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

TarheelBen on September 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

You win the internets today with that one.

MNHawk on September 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Resist We Much on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Brilliant.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Excuse me? I am part of the 47% and I am voting for Romney.

Don’t write off the ALL of the 47%, buddy.

Before anyone gives me any carp about being on the government dole, I WORKED in the computer industry for 25 years before ………….. I guess that’s the difference between me and a lot of the other 47% – I HATE being dependent on the government and would love to be completely on my own……..

Timothy S. Carlson on September 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM

This is not about you. This is about the “lifers” and the takers who are happy to be on the government dole.

hoosierma on September 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Similarly, we like to think that John McCain lost the election in 2008 when he announced that he would suspend his campaign to return to Washington in the wake of the economic collapse, but after eight years of George Bush, war fatigue, and the economic collapse itself, the likelihood of any Republican winning that election looks close to nil in retrospect.

With all due respect, Ed, McCain was leading in all the Bush 2004 states, and had put many of the Kerry 2004 states into play (remember Palin wanting to campaign in Michigan and being blown off?) at that point, and within a week of his suspending his campaign stunt and providing no alternatives, seeing TARP come out just as bad as conservatives thought, he trended downward. McCain had a chance beforehand: he was toast afterwards.

William Teach on September 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

You’re a real piece of work.

claudius on September 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Can you prove that with credible cites?

(Starts Stopwatch Sundial)

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

The ReWrite™ was necessary. You should’ve packed a lunch or ten.

Steve Eggleston on September 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

There are host of issues I vehemently disagree with most republicans about, to include gay marriage but what he says he is 100% spot on.

Why have we as Americans become afraid of the truth

I’ll go one further. Democrats are no different than heroin dealers except heroin dealers get paid by their addicts.

Democrats addict people to government with other people’s money and so the addict doesn’t care how or why they get addicted. I don’t fault them I fault the politican that does this to them.

Sound harsh, you bet, but it’s the truth and years ago told one of our local boneheads that on a local talk radio show, he hung up.

He’s now running for mayor of San Diego- Bob Filner

theblacksheepwasright on September 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

This morning polls are a mix bag

RCP had Barry up 6 in MI, the poll was conducted by an outfit that usually poll for GOP. Actually the result was 47.5 Barry and 42.3 Romney , a 5.2 difference in a poll with NOE of 4.

OR is unsurprisingly +9 for Barry

Gravis has Romney +1 in FL

PPP has Kaine only +1 in VA

There is a third poll in 3 days showing Sitting Bullshat ahead of Brown in MA. It is 600 LV. The poll did not give MOE , The Cherokee is ahead by 24 votes (4%) with 46 (almost 8%)undecided.

bayview on September 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

If Romney apologizes for telling the truth about the parasitic 47% of the country I’m done actively supporting him.

I’ll still vote for Romney if he apologizes for telling the truth, because a spineless RINO who grovels before the MSM is still better than 0bama, but next time around could we please pick a candidate who stands up for individualism, fiscal responsibility, and limited government?

MidniteRambler on September 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

There’s a lot of defense for things that Romney didn’t actually say.

Some of them are more desperate than others. Ed quotes:

Paying no income tax is one thing. Being “dependent on government” is another. But under a broad definition of government dependence—that is, receiving federal entitlements—more than 47 percent of us are in Romney’s category.

Essentially, they’re just waving off what he actually said. “A broad definition of government dependence” is not what he was talking about.

This is not even spin. This is downright lies.

(Not to mention that only 18% of Americans don’t pay federal taxes)

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

I actually think this is a plan. say something controversial(but that he believes)

then come out with a press conference where he gets 20 -30 minutes of prime coverage and bashes Obama.

the BASE is eating it up.

gerrym51 on September 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

The base is twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make something positive out of this. The base is defending the indefensible, which happens when you pick such a poor candidate.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Excuse me? I am part of the 47% and I am voting for Romney.

Don’t write off the ALL of the 47%, buddy.

Before anyone gives me any carp about being on the government dole, I WORKED in the computer industry for 25 years before ………….. I guess that’s the difference between me and a lot of the other 47% – I HATE being dependent on the government and would love to be completely on my own……..

Timothy S. Carlson on September 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM

I don’t think Romney was talking about you. He’s talking about those who have the expectation that the federal government owes them free housing, food and healthcare etc. It’s a mentality of dependency and an expectation of entitlements.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

You’re a real piece of work.

claudius on September 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Naw, a piece of something else.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

The base is twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make something positive out of this. The base is defending the indefensible, which happens when you pick such a poor candidate.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

“I’m Barack Hussein O’bamna, and I Approved this message!”

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Gee, isn’t it interesting that the Obama campaign and the media are completely ignoring these other unearthed videos.

“I have inherited nothing. Everything that Ann and I have, we have earned the old way.”

“We didn’t talk about immigration today. Gosh! I’d like to bring in more legal immigrants!”

Flora Duh on September 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

To hell with the press. Romney is going to be elected in a landslide and they know it.

RobertE on September 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Bee-ess. It’s about time, Mitt! Let’s get it all out on the table. Where is this socialist president taking us? What do you want, America? Prosperity, or ruinous debt? Because as we’re talking about all this other crap, the Debt Clock keeps on tumbling faster and faster, and no one’s doing a damn thing about it — especially Barry the Terminator, who’s “solution” is another black-hole entitlement program.

Get the Lefties out of government. They’re destroying us.

RobertMN on September 18, 2012 at 10:03 AM

The base is twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make something positive out of this. The base is defending the indefensible, which happens when you pick such a poor candidate.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Are we in Recovery Summer or is it Renewal Fall, I need to make sure I have the latest season of economic good times written on the calendar.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Obama’s internals must have taken a serious hit with the Middle East violence. They were saving this for October but had to spring it now and hope for the best.

Mr. Mike on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

The fatal mistake in all this is Mitt holding a press conference as if he did something wrong.

newtopia on September 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I disagree…Romney did fine & facing the press is something Obama is reluctant to do lately.

Romney is presenting a clear alternative to the undecideds…

If he states on TV during the debates that he’ll forgo the presidential salary like he did as Governor in MA so that he can simply be of service to his country, it would be epic to see Obama’s face in response to that.

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

McCain had a chance beforehand: he was toast afterwards.
William Teach on September 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I agree that you it’s an assumption when you looked at the polling numbers that McCain didn’t lose it here. If we saw Romney’s numbers dive (and I don’t expect we will) then you can argue there was a deflection point. I would maybe make the argument that “fragile” support melts away when that support gets a “reason” to do so and quite frankly I think there is a lot more “fragile” support on the Hope and Change side.

Conan on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Mitt Romney: Script writer for Obama campaign ads.

chumpThreads on September 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Are we in Recovery Summer or is it Renewal Fall, I need to make sure I have the latest season of economic good times written on the calendar.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Didn’t you hear? Romney’s giving up on the economy push. He’s going to fight the war on other fronts. I guess this is that next front.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Before anyone gives me any carp about being on the government dole, I WORKED in the computer industry for 25 years before ………….. I guess that’s the difference between me and a lot of the other 47% – I HATE being dependent on the government and would love to be completely on my own……..

Timothy S. Carlson on September 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM

You aren’t alone… but these are good people here, they aren’t trying to insult us, nobody can predict accidents, or the resulting injuries which take you off the working list. No one here has ever dissed me, for being on disability.. we all agree that at it’s core it’s a necessary program.

But you know as well as I do, if you go in enough doctors offices.. there are people who play the system, making a minor injury a life changing disability by throwing lawyers at the SSD office till they get approved.. I met a guy who was on SSD for one herniated disc.. one..

I had before the surgery, the first one.. 8. I still have 4, and another surgery coming.

But the guy with the 1, whined, b*tched and cried more than anyone else I ever heard in a doctors office, about how HARD his life is..

There are professional moochers out there..

so don’t read into it, a personal attack against you.. they aren’t.. it’s OK,.. I’m in the same bucket, and it’s tough to not feel a little under assault.. but it’s the moochers fault.. not anyone here’s fault.

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

The base is twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make something positive out of this. The base is defending the indefensible, which happens when you pick such a poor candidate.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

You are delusional if you think that speaking the truth hurts Romney… Not only it would great energize the Republican base but many of those 47% who think that they are part of the 53% totally agree with Romney an in their mind they also think that there are far to many people depending on the government…

mnjg on September 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

What Romney said is just a variation of “we have too many people in the cart”. This is simple to understand. The economy is not moving because we have too many people in the cart and not enough people pulling the cart. Obama’s policies have put more people in the cart. 2 millions people are on the sidelines having giving up.

And on top of that gas needed to move the cart is approaching $4.00.

monalisa on September 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

“This morning polls are a mix bag

RCP had Barry up 6 in MI, the poll was conducted by an outfit that usually poll for GOP. Actually the result was 47.5 Barry and 42.3 Romney , a 5.2 difference in a poll with NOE of 4.

OR is unsurprisingly +9 for Barry

Gravis has Romney +1 in FL

PPP has Kaine only +1 in VA

There is a third poll in 3 days showing Sitting Bullshat ahead of Brown in MA. It is 600 LV. The poll did not give MOE , The Cherokee is ahead by 24 votes (4%) with 46 (almost 8%)undecided.”

When the campaign began, Florida was considered to be the most “locked” of the swing states for Romney. And, yet, none of the polls have ever showed him doing all that well there. If this is the best he can do, he’s going to get clobbered in Nov.

gumbyandpokey on September 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I disagree…Romney did fine & facing the press is something Obama is reluctant to do lately
workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

For this reason I think the debates will sink Obama they way they sunk Carter. A failed liberal Presidency can’t survive several hours of questioning and more importantly responses by the Republican that don’t go through a media filter but DIRECTLY to the failed President for an answer.

Conan on September 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

PPP has Kaine only +1 in VA

There is a third poll in 3 days showing Sitting Bullshat ahead of Brown in MA. It is 600 LV. The poll did not give MOE , The Cherokee is ahead by 24 votes (4%) with 46 (almost 8%)undecided.

bayview on September 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Warren must be riding some post-DNC bounce, as Brown seemed in control there just recently.

The VA Senate race is going down to the wire.

changer1701 on September 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Take a look at your Social Security tax return you file annually. Don’t have one? Oh, yeah, the ‘taxes’ I listed are excluded from the debate because the cant be ‘gamed’ or are statutorily derived external the US govt ( state/local)..no matter how rich you are, theyre the same for every wage earner … Not tax payer.

socalcon on September 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

help me out guy, what IS a social security tax return? not sure i’ve ever seen one. i know folks who file an income tax return who are social security receipients, and depending on their other income may pay fed income tax on those benefits. i know folks who PAY soc secur taxes, sometimes thru employer withholdings, and sometimes iof self-employed via SE tax on their 1040 and paid quarterly via estimated federal cineom taxes payments. but what IS a “social security tax return”?
and the sical secutiy portion of “fica” tax maxes out, at 110k or so, so earning (in the form of wages) arent taxed after that. medicare tax is assessed on wages with no limit. but of course if someone has investment earnings theres no SS or medicare tax on that (for now, but changng soon). also if someone is an s-corp shareholder receving S-corp distributions there is no social security tax or medicare tax assessed on that. and oh goodness, what if someone has rentla icnome and nets income from that, i dont beleive there is SS or medicare paid for that income. so what exactly are we talking about?

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Didn’t you hear? Romney’s giving up on the economy push. He’s going to fight the war on other fronts. I guess this is that next front.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Let me guess, you heard from stupid media sources that Romney is giving up on fighting on the economic front and you believe the lie… You are either a liberal lunatic or a just plain stupid… And yes it is great to open the front of ideology about this elections… It is about a “Free Enterprise Economy” vs. “Government Centered Economy”… And the great news is that a majority of voters want the “Free Enterprise Economy”…

mnjg on September 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

The base is twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make something positive out of this. The base is defending the indefensible, which happens when you pick such a poor candidate.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

No twisting required. Are you ABR, or just a bedwetter?

changer1701 on September 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

At some point the Leftist Media has to start asking…

“If Romney is sooooooo utterly despicable, and the Obama economy is as good as anyone could expect under the circumstances …. why isn’t Obama up by 10 by now?”

mxt on September 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Warren must be riding some post-DNC bounce, as Brown seemed in control there just recently.

The VA Senate race is going down to the wire.

changer1701 on September 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Warren is a communist and she is NOT going to win in Massachusetts despite that this state is super liberal, but even for them it is too much to vote for a communist. In addition she looks mean and arrogant and this will put her in further troubles with the voters.

mnjg on September 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Pssst, hey Maria. Yeah you with the cheap ground beef, tortillas, and peanut butter in line at Wal-Mart getting groceries on your way home from the overnight shift. Yeah, I also hope your bank didn’t sit on any bills and you can pay for that food.

See that slu ornately-dressed lady in front of you with the obvious hangover and a cart full of junk food? See that EBT she whipped out? You paid for that. Enjoy your peanut butter tortillas for breakfast, now.

Sekhmet on September 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Hey, I thought I saw you in back of me in line.
(I’m Maria, in this case.)

It makes me feel just dandy when I see an able bodied man and his able bodied son in front of me buying chocolate donuts,beer cigs and chips with their food stamps, while I find some cheap cut of meat that I will need to marinate and slow cook the heck out of just to make it edible.

MontanaMmmm on September 18, 2012 at 10:13 AM

I’d just as soon hang on to my God and my guns.

mkenorthshore on September 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

There is a lot of serious and fatal “group think” going on in this conservative den. We may all agree with gist of what Romney said, but since conservatives account for only 30% of the electorate, that means that there are a lot of people out there who either don’t agree with us or who are sitting in the middle trying to decide which way to vote.

Like it or not, the “Thurston Howell” condidate meme is sticking like teflon to Romney, and it aint a good thing my friends. I’ve been talking with a lot of suburban middle class moms over the past several days and nearly all of them are saying the same thing, that they believe that Romney doesn’t care about them or that Romney can’t sympathize with the ordinary man.

It is sticking to him. To believe otherwise is to be in complete denial.

Old Fritz on September 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Dear mister lib free

I would vote for Allen West if he were running. Or is he not black enought for you?

dms on September 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

One thing Ed, you’ll hear Romney’s remarks much, much more than you ever heard the words “bitter clinger”. Will it make a difference? I doubt it because the MSM has no credibility.

bflat879 on September 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Romneys’s comments were refreshing to hear. Freeloaders and their supporters hate to think of themsleves that way, but too damn bad.
I am also tired of the medical profession’s willingness to make every choice (alcohol and addiction) into a full-blown disability and then connect these people to a smorgasbord of benefits. Well you don’t get paid for treating crappy choices and criminal behavior so let’s make it a “disease” and get paid. Everyone wins but the tax payers!

clnurnberg on September 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

I actually think this is a plan. say something controversial(but that he believes)

then come out with a press conference where he gets 20 -30 minutes of prime coverage and bashes Obama.

the BASE is eating it up.

gerrym51 on September 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I agree. Seems like the only way he can get any media attention at all. This way he gets covered and HE gets to set the agenda. What he said will resonate (the Palestinian thing too)….people..Americans want to hear the truth.

hoosierma on September 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

You are delusional if you think that speaking the truth hurts Romney… Not only it would great energize the Republican base but many of those 47% who think that they are part of the 53% totally agree with Romney an in their mind they also think that there are far to many people depending on the government…

mnjg on September 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Every keeps saying that this energizes the Republican base. Why? Why would it do it? Are some people less interested in voting for Romney now going to vote for him due to comments that Mitt has already walked back?

Let’s be reasonable. What base are these comments really going to energize more? What base is going to want to vote as these comments are spliced into umpteen campaign commercials:

On Medicare? Mitt Romney says that its not his job to care about you, and that you should take some personal responsibility and care for your life.

Receiving Social Security? Mitt Romney says that its not his job to care about you, and that you should take some personal responsibility and care for your life(on your own).

Receiving farm subsidies? Mitt Romney says that its not his job to care about you, and that you should take some personal responsibility and care for your life(on your own).

Receiving [enter tax credit here]? Mitt Romney says that its not his job to care about you, and that you should take some personal responsibility and care for your life(on your own).

The man is screwed.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Romney is only saying what us “bitter clingers” already know…..

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redguy on September 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Dumbest. Outrage. Ever.

I hope they play this clip over and over and over. It’s basically a campaign commercial for Romney.

This isn’t like Obama telling his donors that people in small towns cling bitterly to guns and religion. This is Romney talking about the metastasizing welfare state that is going to devour the country, and the growing number of people who are dependent on it.

It’s the most important issue of this century, and Romney should be saying this on the campaign trail.

TallDave on September 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I also think the 47% should shut up about their contibution to society and stop being jealous and attributing success to “luck” and birth and minimizing the effects of hard work!

clnurnberg on September 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

If he states on TV during the debates that he’ll forgo the presidential salary like he did as Governor in MA so that he can simply be of service to his country, it would be epic to see Obama’s face in response to that.

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I’ve been hoping he will… and I’m betting during the debates.. He will make that pledge.. it would be the game changer for many working blue collar types.. Hey, he really means it…

Bet on it.

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

One thing Ed, you’ll hear Romney’s remarks much, much more than you ever heard the words “bitter clinger”. Will it make a difference? I doubt it because the MSM has no credibility.

bflat879 on September 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

The Media is part of the Marxist cabal….
They are part of the 47….
They will want your tax money just like all the other welfare queens….

Time for the 53 to go on strike…..

redguy on September 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

We need a Mitt money bomb to demonstrate that he should hold firm – as he did last evening. I just gave.

An apology would be a terrible mistake.

matthew8787 on September 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM

On Medicare? Mitt Romney says that its not his job to care about you, and that you should take some personal responsibility and care for your life.

EVERYONE should take some personal responsibility for their lives at every point. It is not the president’s job to orchestrate handouts for those who choose harmful lifestyles. The social “safety net” too often functions as a hammock!

clnurnberg on September 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM

The base is twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make something positive out of this.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

It’s called giving context, you know, something your team miserably failed at re “You didn’t build that!” and “GOP will put y’all back in chains!”.

RepubChica on September 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM

I disagree…Romney did fine & facing the press is something Obama is reluctant to do lately
workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

For this reason I think the debates will sink Obama they way they sunk Carter. A failed liberal Presidency can’t survive several hours of questioning and more importantly responses by the Republican that don’t go through a media filter but DIRECTLY to the failed President for an answer.

Conan on September 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Well maybe this link will make your mornin…made mine

“COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) – President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign doesn’t want to talk about what the Democrat is doing to prepare for the fall debates with Republican Mitt Romney. But aides are readily setting expectations – and not surprisingly, they want to keep them low for Obama while raising the stakes for Romney.

“While Mitt Romney has done 20 debates in the last year, he has not done one in four years, so there certainly is a challenge in that regard,” Jennifer Psaki, Obama’s campaign spokeswoman, said of the president on Monday…”

Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/19563051/obama-touts-new-auto-case-against-china#ixzz26paXeKyf

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Nixon didn’t have a large portion of the nation “Jersey Shore” savvy-plus he was an @$$hat to begin with. For so many the vote is done already, based no doubt on a quip. Or a video of Romney stepping off a bus with fart noises dubbed in.
Those that have been maligned with the label “teabagger”, as if a second term will guarantee them a restriction to their own public water fountaines, quote obscure people like Hamilton, Jefferson, Lincoln, Tocqueville. Those in power rule all counterpoints moot with the elegant quotes of Harold, and Kumar.
The free press is suffering a paranoia. Each move, each breath Mitt takes is almost a direct threat to their personal safety. I hope and pray for relief of this arrogant tyranny, and a strong memory to teach my grand children as they grow what the sociapathic progressive is capable of.

onomo on September 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Romney should run with this.

bopbottle on September 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Candidates need to stick to their message

Well, I’d say that this candidate needs to develop a message and then stick to that. If he’s able to put together a coherent message (i.e., one that doesn’t simply involve responding to Obama strawmen), he should be able to make a go of this. If not. Not.

besser tot als rot on September 18, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Let’s be reasonable. What base are these comments really going to energize more?

The base that has been none too excited about a Romney candidacy, the one that grabbed hold of Ryan because Rombo wasn’t the red meat candidate they were hoping for?

ROFL Seriously, do you even read conservative blogs? We have been pleading for just this approach for months, we WANTED this.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

The man is screwed.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Don’t you have a bridge somewhere to be under.. and children to boil?

It’s past the primaries, whining about him being the nominee is way beyond useless at this point. You’re accomplishing nothing here, but you’re sure as Hell TRYING to depress the turnout…

Tell you what, go make a sandwich board sign about the “END is HERE”!.. and go march with the MSM in front of Romney’s house.. it’d be at least consistent.

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Whatever tension there had been in the Boston operation, this “crisis” will resolve it quickly.

They need the Ryan approach: a choice, not an echo; focus on growth, not green eye-shades accounting; stop calling Obama a “nice guy” etc.

And have the Super Pacs expand – not retrench — the electoral map into Pennsylvania, Iowa/Wisconsin, Michigan, even Minnesota.

DRAIN OBAMA DRY. He doesn’t have the money to keep up.

matthew8787 on September 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

so don’t read into it, a personal attack against you.. they aren’t.. it’s OK,.. I’m in the same bucket, and it’s tough to not feel a little under assault.. but it’s the moochers fault.. not anyone here’s fault.

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Remember the picture of the woman on welfare sitting in her apartment…..with the giant TV beside her and talking about how “pitiful” the pittance is that the poor are given?

Yeah, that’s who Romney was talking about.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

dang ,that mainstream media ripping Romney over stupid remarks he got caught making … that damn liberal Bill Kristol

U2denver on September 18, 2012 at 10:25 AM

The fatal mistake in all this is Mitt holding a press conference as if he did something wrong.

newtopia on September 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

What are you worried about? According to you, Romney lost this months ago.

98ZJUSMC on September 18, 2012 at 10:25 AM

bad economy=more government dependency=more Democrat voters

God forbid someone point it out.

Wagthatdog on September 18, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Obama’s internals must have taken a serious hit with the Middle East violence. They were saving this for October but had to spring it now and hope for the best.
Mr. Mike on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

There is a lot of serious and fatal “group think” going on in this conservative den. We may all agree with gist of what Romney said, but since conservatives account for only 30% of the electorate, that means that there are a lot of people out there who either don’t agree with us or who are sitting in the middle trying to decide which way to vote.

Like it or not, the “Thurston Howell” condidate meme is sticking like teflon to Romney, and it aint a good thing my friends. I’ve been talking with a lot of suburban middle class moms over the past several days and nearly all of them are saying the same thing, that they believe that Romney doesn’t care about them or that Romney can’t sympathize with the ordinary man.

It is sticking to him. To believe otherwise is to be in complete denial.

Old Fritz on September 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

I think both of you are right, except I don’t think this is fatal.

The average commenter judges a Romney statement by how it resonates with them, rather than how they think it will resonate with the public – if they even think about that. What Romney said is true, but it’s going to be easy to attack and hard to defend.

Basilsbest on September 18, 2012 at 10:28 AM

If he states on TV during the debates that he’ll forgo the presidential salary like he did as Governor in MA so that he can simply be of service to his country, it would be epic to see Obama’s face in response to that.

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I’ve been hoping he will… and I’m betting during the debates.. He will make that pledge.. it would be the game changer for many working blue collar types.. Hey, he really means it…

Bet on it.

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Yeah…it would induce massive head explosions on the left…

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country & throws it right in their hypocritical liberal faces.

Romney built his wealth through smarts and hard work & offers to forgo the salary & many of the usual benefits because he’s self sufficient & the country’s in trouble…EPIC!

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I think voters have heard the same thing from the media over and over again now–”Romney campaign in disarray,” “an embarrassing gaffe by Romney”–and have seen that the media’s spin never matches reality, that they’re catching on.
The media has overplayed its hand, and will continue to, and at some point it’s like crying wolf, and more voters are likely to just tune it all out and decide for themselves.
What Mitt said about the Olympics wasn’t a “gaffe” and nobody in Realville cared, and what he said about the Middle East last week certainly wasn’t a “gaffe,” but the media deperately spun it that way to cover for their President’s embarrassing dereliction of duty and stunning lack of concern.

Right Mover on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

This whole kerfuffle just underscores how magnificently tone deaf Romney is. First, he picks a statistic that is suspect at best (people who don’t pay income taxes often pay thousands of dollars in other federal taxes). Second, he’s lumping a for GOP constituency, seniors, in with welfare frauds and medicaid cheats. And, finally, he calls the working poor — people he really should be reaching out to — shiftless leeches.

Instead of saying: there are millions of Americans on food stamps who want to be independent and I am committed to an economy that will give them that opportunity,” he calls them whiners and inked that their poverty is he result of their own moral failing.

This from a guy whose own income is subsidized to the tune of millions of dollars a year through the carried interest loophole. And whose wife rides a tax-subsided horse.

I hope all the bitter clingers and old people considering voting for this true urban elitist understand the contempt in which he holds them.

In the mean time, I can’t help but wonder what ill-concieved and utterly revealing statement will spill from his lips at the debates.

urban elitist on September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

The man is screwed.

segasagez on September 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

relax. obama still has a very slim chance of pulling this out. obama’s not toast completely yet. its looking like about 10% chance given the polls and the metrics right now. theres hope. thats about it for you an obama, hope. dont give up yet.

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

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