No, Romney didn’t just lose the election

posted at 8:41 am on September 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I got home late last night and missed most of the hysteria over Mitt Romney’s remarks at a fundraiser in May, but I’m glad to see I didn’t miss all of it.  Here’s Josh Barro at Bloomberg, telling us we can take a 50-day nap, because the election is all over now that Romney has described 47% of voters as victims:

You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney’s campaign for president.

On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans “believe that they are victims.” He laments: “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

So what’s the upshot? “My job is not to worry about those people,” he says. He also notes, describing President Obama’s base, “These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.”

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

I’m not going to argue that it’s good for Romney.  This is what comes from candidates attempting to become political analysts on the campaign trail.  Newt Gingrich made this same mistake during the primaries, and it caused him headaches as well.  Candidates need to stick to their message, and shrug off questions about strategy; that’s for staffers to leak to the media.  When candidates forget that, they end up producing sound bites that sound like this, or like Howard Dean’s reality-defying 2004 “Yeargh!” moment in Iowa.

But if quips won elections, I have dozens more damaging in the Obamateurism series than this. This one is hardly fatal, at least in part because Romney is actually on solid ground in terms of the math, as the Daily Beast pointed out last night:

Jim Messina, Obama campaign manager, called the statement “shocking” and “disdainful.” Gail Gitcho, Romney communication director, said that it showed that the former governor really is “concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government.” But ham-handed, principled, offensive, or otherwise, Romney’s words were clearly one thing: true. Here are the facts.

According to the Tax Policy Center, a partnership of the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, 46.4 percent of American filers pay “zero or negative” income tax. …

Paying no income tax is one thing. Being “dependent on government” is another. But under a broad definition of government dependence—that is, receiving federal entitlements—more than 47 percent of us are in Romney’s category. According to the Census Bureau, 49 percent of Americans live in a household that receives a government entitlement for “health care” through Medicaid or Medicare, “food” through stamps, disability, Social Security, or a “housing” assistance program. Most of these benefits are not paid for by their recipients, but by federal deficits. The gap between promises and anticipated funds for Social Security is $8.6 trillion for the next 75 years, according to the government’s own estimates (PDF). For Medicare, it’s $27 trillion.

Of course, sometimes perception outruns facts, and the perception of Romney as out of touch with the working class has already been advanced by Team Obama.  The problem with the whole “the election is over” analysis is that it defies history — and recent history at that.  Almost exactly four years earlier, in another fundraiser secretly taped by an attendee, a major-party nominee made the same mistake as Romney and offered some political analysis of why large numbers of voters were probably unreachable in an election.  The nominee — some also-ran named Barack Obama — told his urbane San Francisco crowd of supporters that people in the hinterlands were xenophobic and clung bitterly to their religion and guns in hard times, and would be difficult to win over.  In fact, Obama made oblique references to that argument prior to that tape, occasionally talking about the handicap of having a “funny name” would be with some voters.

That is almost exactly the same kind of argument Romney made, only in the context of government assistance.  How’d that work out for Obama?  Not too bad, as I recall.

This instant-toast analysis is the product of a media with too much pressure to be profound and not enough perspective to resist it.  We like to think that one utterance can decide elections, but it’s really not the case.  For instance, pundits will talk about how Jimmy Carter’s decision to cite his teenage daughter as an expert in a response to a debate question on the biggest issue facing the world lost him the election, but it was the Iran hostage crisis and massive stagflation that made Carter a one-term President.  His predecessor was supposedly set to win until he asserted in a debate that Poland wasn’t under Soviet domination, but Gerald Ford lost that election when he pardoned Richard Nixon two years earlier; after Watergate and the pardon, Republicans weren’t going to keep the White House.  Similarly, we like to think that John McCain lost the election in 2008 when he announced that he would suspend his campaign to return to Washington in the wake of the economic collapse, but after eight years of George Bush, war fatigue, and the economic collapse itself, the likelihood of any Republican winning that election looks close to nil in retrospect.  And perhaps the election of the least-experienced executive in modern American presidential history that year bears that analysis out, too.

In the end, the American people will decide this election not on quips but on records and policy, as they always have.


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When an American–any American–is in trouble for just telling the truth, then American is totally screwed already. We don’t have to wait for bad news on November 6th.

RBMN on September 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Um, no serious analyst conflates payroll taxes ( FICA – Soc Sec & Medicare; FUTA , or State/ County/ City taxes) with IRS code Income Taxes.

why is that? SS/medicare taxes are paid and spent immediately, just like fed income taxes. recipients receive transfer payments from current payors. its welfare bascially; the same thing. no one “pays into” anything. but a promise that your children and grandchildren will go bankrupt paying for a promise made by a dead senator with their own childrens money.

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

i’m not actually human but a devilishly clever bot designed drive good conservatives into confusion and despair.

fast and furious, is that, like, a movie or something?

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

So we can consider you one of the 47% who feel they are entitled?

Tater Salad on September 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

At least this puts an end to all the sanctimonius talk about “division” and “class warfare” from you folks.

plewis on September 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The quest for the Perpetual Motion Machine continues…

socalcon on September 18, 2012 at 9:14 AM

The Truth, they can’t handle the Truth….liberals pervert everything they touch, the Truth included…..

crosshugger on September 18, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Democrat Convention: We will give you ore and more free stuff forever!

Romney in May: A large number of people like getting unsustainable “free” benefits from government and I’ll have a hard time getting them to vote for me.

Liberals today: How dare Romney say that people like getting free stuff from the government!

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Ed,

You can’t compare this to Obama’s “bitter clinger” remarks in 08. The media tried their best to bury that for Obama. They will explode this one by Romney. That’s the key here.

GiantOrb on September 18, 2012 at 9:09 AM

For some reason some people forget that media is part of Obamas campaign team. Team romney does that too.

It’s the same stinking mess.

the_nile on September 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

So are these little numbers the “October Surprise”?

Cindy Munford on September 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

At least this puts an end to all the sanctimonius talk about “division” and “class warfare” from you folks.

plewis on September 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Mitt Romney doesn’t have a kill list.

Mitt Romney doesn’t pander to the gays, sluts, or illegals.

Mitt Romney doesn’t call his political opponents the enemy (though he should).

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

The hell of it is…well, not hell exactly, but the truth be told, nearly half of Americans are beholden to government for just about everything…the new welfare class…and they are and will be loyal Obama supporters because so long as “free money” is flowing their way, they’d be nuts to turn off the tap.

Yes, they are nuts.

Getting used to free stuff is a hard addiction to break.

If that addiction is not broken, it will break all of us.

Socialists need, require, demand, a subservient public who are totally dependent on the largesse of government for their every need.

coldwarrior on September 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Romney has held up a mirror for us. We all look in the mirror and see something. It would appear that many in the MSM see a damaging statement. Many conservatives see a hard truth.

Until we are able to confront these hard truths, our country will undergo an accelerating decline.

At least *someone* had the guts to point it out!

Lucky Pierre on September 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM

i’m not actually human but a devilishly clever bot designed drive good conservatives into confusion and despair.

fast and furious, is that, like, a movie or something?

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

You must be loving that second downgrade in the credit rating of the US on your President’s watch, then.

Tell us all how that’s a good thing.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM

the whitey tape’s still out there as well. keep hope alive.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I am, sister, I am. I’m hoping that one day the media will investigate such things as hard as they do Ann Romney’s horse or Sarah Palin’s recreational activities.

I mean…there has to be something more to Fast and Furious, right?

Hey, HEY! Where are you going? Come back here!

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM

No, this will not hurt him. It will help. It forces the issue of Zeros failures to fix the economy, which is why so many are on assistance. Romney said this in the primaries…if you like big government entitlements, vote for Barry; If you want a job, vote for me. Nothing new to see here.

Philly on September 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM

It’s beyond insulting that the media feels this is the death bomb for Romney; In essence they are saying that “This is what America is, we aren’t strong, we aren’t industrious, and thanks to the economic mess Obama has created, there are 47% of our citizens who live off the backs of all the rest of you- AND THAT’S A GOOD THING- How dare he try to make a point about the need to change that!”

BettyRuth on September 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Let’s review:

Right to work is “right to free-load” because people opt out of paying for unions.

Insurance mandate is just going after the “free loaders” who make everyone else’s premiums go up.

But paying nothing in income taxes is just fine?

Daisy_WI on September 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM

I’m not going to argue that it’s good for Romney

Actually Ed, it is. There are many in the so-called Conservative and Libertarian groups who have been lukewarm if not out-right hostile to Romney. This is the kind of talk they want to hear.

And those who the MSM claim fall into that 47%? The fact is, as many here have said, a lot of those people don’t consider themselves part of it. They believe it’s that ever-elusive ‘other guy.’

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Two points:

1)Is it any wonder Romney trails Obama in the double digits on the issue of empathy?

2)Why should Romney even go there on the question of him being able or not able to convince “adults” to take responsibility for their lives?

Running as Republican, Romney should know his job is to facilitate and lay the groundwork for opportunity to flourish so Americans can themselves take full advantage of it.

But bottom line: Romney should not have gone there. Instead he should have focused on how government overregulation and legislation constrains opportunity and not blame or cast aspersions on 47% of the population he deems as victims.

technopeasant on September 18, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Okey-dokey, then:

1.

Romney trails Obama in the double digits on the issue of empathy?

Who votes an empatic response? Can you name ONE person besides yourself and/or a close relative?

Didn’t think so.

Therefore, what’s the point of this so-called “point”?

There IS no point.

Precisely.

2.

Why should Romney even go there on the question of him being able or not able to convince “adults” to take responsibility for their lives?

To lay out his campaign methodology for party members. He IS their candidate, after all.

They should be aware of what he’s planning to do, don’t ya think?

Again, what’s the point of this so-called point?

And, again, there IS no point.

I seriously wonder why so many people insist upon making the simple and obvious obfuscated and difficult.

Farmer on September 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Progressive since forever: People have a fundamental human right to health care, food and housing. Food Justice! Social Justice!

Romney in may: A lot of people feel they are entitled to free food, housing and health care.

Progressives today: How dare Romney suggest that people feel entitled to free food, housing and health care!

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Actually Ed, it is. There are many in the so-called Conservative and Libertarian groups who have been lukewarm if not out-right hostile to Romney. This is the kind of talk they want to hear.

And those who the MSM claim fall into that 47%? The fact is, as many here have said, a lot of those people don’t consider themselves part of it. They believe it’s that ever-elusive ‘other guy.’

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Spot on.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

I read Barro’s “analysis” last night. Hysterical. When the Obama camp brings this up, Romney can turn around and point to his bitter clinger remark, his disdain for small business owners, etc. Much ado about nothing.

But, prepare for the concern troll onslaught today.

changer1701 on September 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

We know why the lefties re upset and we should revel in their proving us right.

We should rejoice in their proving what we all know alread: It’s true!

They know it and worse for them they know everybody else knows it too. They have to convince people that it isn’t the validity of the topic, only that it’s outrageous to believe it.

After the PR disaster that was OWS–which was really only a 6 month exercise in proving Rmoney [pun intended] was right–they need to mute the backlash of people who will agree with Rmoney and decide it’s time to kick the freeloaders off the couch and to the curb.

Liberal circles–where bragging about your disability and unemployment benefits is as important as your post count–will fume and sputter but at the end of the day their complaints won’t mean shit. People who take themselves out of the economy aren’t necessary; they’re worse than useless, they’re a drain on those of us actually trying to accomplish something. Nobody needs them and now a national candidate has told them that it’s OK to not even want them.

What good will their protests do if a man vying for the presidency says that no matter what you do you can never curry enough favor with the layabouts? Answer: you stop trying win them over. As soon as you stop trying the impotence of the moocher class becomes immediately self-evident.

What house will go unbuilt if they separate themselves from us? What road will be unpaved? What farm will go unharvested? On the contrary they demand we provide these things for them while they contribute nothing in return except to make us work on their behalf and pay higher taxes on what we earn. They demand we keep our sodas under 32 ounces but to question how they use the EBT card we gave them is considered a dehumanizing insult.

They know we’re angry. What they do not want is that anger being articulated in a national forum. Why do you think they hate the Tea Party? It’s organized, articulated and visible.

Once you wake-up they have to out-anger you, much-like how a cheating lover plays the hyper-jealous lover to hide their infidelity. If their infidelity is ever discovered then they know you have no reason to maintain the relationship because they have shown themselves to be spoiled, petty, abusive, vindicive, self-indulgement, unfaithful, demanding and inconsiderate.

It’s time to move on America. We don’t need them, they need us and we are the only ones who can prop-up this pathetic, dysfunctional relationship.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on September 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

I’m still trying to figure out why Obamacrats object to being characterized as victims when it’s what they spend their time and effort trying to be.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

A lot of elderly people make up the 47% for obvious reasons and they are a major republican voting block. I am with Romney on this, but he could have framed it in a better way.

celticdefender on September 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

As I read earlier, there should be a rule that political pundits should only be able to pronounce Romney’s campaign dead – one time.

All Romney really needs to do is apologize for the “victim” part. Its not their fault they had to live through the Obama economy after all.

Zaggs on September 18, 2012 at 8:46 AM

“I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car, won’t have to worry abt my mortgage! If I help him, he’ll help me!”

Ms. Peggy Joseph made those comments before the boy king was elected.

He played to this type of mindset in the electorate during his first campaign. For Messina and others to act indignant because Romney stated what is true is hypocritical – and typical – of the Democrat party.

Flora Duh on September 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

fast and furious, is that, like, a movie or something?

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

who looks pathetic now?

sesquipedalian on August 31, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I think I read on Twitter last night that the “secret video” guys have more tape to release…

visions on September 18, 2012 at 8:58 AM

There’s another certain ‘secret video’ that I’d like to see a lot more, but the LA Times is clinging bitterly to it.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Socialists need, require, demand, a subservient public who are totally dependent on the largesse of government for their every need.

coldwarrior on September 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Gaia help the leeches if we decide to turn the tap off for them.

I don’t think the socialists have ever given any real thought to who can subsist more easily on less, the people who produce or the people who take.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

From a Wapo commenter—be very worried:

Jem248
5:41 AM PDT
Have you tried to get a job lately? People are not paying federal income taxes because their incomes are too low…don’t you think most of them would like to make more money? How about raising the minimum wage to a living wage – make the wage high enough so these people would then pay taxes.

This is our liberal progressive future—grab hold.

Rovin on September 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

WordsMatter on September 18, 2012 at 8:55 AM

If they don’t have anything juicey left to put out on Romney, I wouldn’t put it past them to flat out make stuff up.

Tuari on September 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

fast and furious, is that, like, a movie or something?

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

A border patrol agent who was killed by a really stupid government policy from your administration is a joke to you?

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

You must be loving that second downgrade in the credit rating of the US on your President’s watch, then.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM

a pretty poor attempt at changing the subject.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

SHOCKER NEWSFLASH: Mitt Romney caught on tape talking like a conservative!!

TarheelBen on September 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I’m still trying to figure out why Obamacrats object to being characterized as victims when it’s what they spend their time and effort trying to be.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Because it lays bare what they are doing? They think of government as helping lift people up and when it’s truthfully called creating dependency they get the vapors.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Liberals: We are the 99%!!!

Romney: Umm, no. More like the 47%

bitsy on September 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

t8stlikchkn on September 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Take a look at your Social Security tax return you file annually. Don’t have one? Oh, yeah, the ‘taxes’ I listed are excluded from the debate because the cant be ‘gamed’ or are statutorily derived external the US govt ( state/local)..no matter how rich you are, theyre the same for every wage earner … Not tax payer.

socalcon on September 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

fast and furious, is that, like, a movie or something?

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

who looks pathetic now?

sesquipedalian on August 31, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Ugh…really pathetic; those were vibrant men with families who loved them.

What’s next, joking around about Ambassador Stevens.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

There is nothing wrong in pointing out many in Barry’s camps are the dependence class and offer up the choice between the government-centered society and free people and responsible citizenship. But some in the 47% who have no federal income tax obligation are seniors who are living on SS and solidly republicans. That was not a good statement by Romney. Also the “My job is not to worry about those people,” will be lumped together with “I am not worry about the very poor” and “I like to fire people” by Barry/Axelrod and the sycophant media.

But why is this video coming out now when the statement was made in May? Is this a way to distract attention from Barry’s disaster in the Middle East? The media is happy to blow up this controversy to protect Barry. It furthermore takes Romney off message when there is not much time left before the election.

bayview on September 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Don’t compare this to Obama’s infamous “bitter clinger” remark of ’08. Notice Romney made a fact-based claim (i.e numbers to back his argument). Obama insulted Americans of faith with standard issue ‘elitist’ stereotypes.

Both guys know exactly what percentage of the electorate is lost to them, and that no appeal or presentation will ever sway them their way.

I do get Ed’s point that this kind of frank campaign evaluation is best left to surrogates, but in big-money fundraising, the candidate is under pressure to make his case. I’m glad Romney’s exercising honesty with potential donors in this case.

Most people do NOT know this statistic. And they will now.

RepubChica on September 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

A border patrol agent who was killed by a really stupid government policy from your administration is a joke to you?

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

rubbish. spare me the sanctimony.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Jem248
5:41 AM PDT
Have you tried to get a job lately? People are not paying federal income taxes because their incomes are too low…don’t you think most of them would like to make more money? How about raising the minimum wage to a living wage – make the wage high enough so these people would then pay taxes.

It’s almost as if economics and arithmetic don’t exist in their cute little craniums.

Cause that stuff’s, like, hard.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

He didn’t lose, but confirming the worst Democrat Media stereotypes about yourself never helps.

urbane effetist on September 18, 2012 at 9:00 AM

You have a hard enough time thinking clearly for yourself. Please don’t pretend to think for me.

urbane effetist on July 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

So are these little numbers the “October Surprise”?

Cindy Munford on September 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Timing of Yesterday’s Release of 47% Video Was Panic Move By Team Obama

Flora Duh on September 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

I perceive that the media has tried to regain a lot of the power it lost to “alternative media” by openly partnering with a political party — take a guess which one — and doggedly pursuing the interests of that party, over what’s good for the country, for their own survival.

Only if Americans send Barry back to Chicago in a landslide will I believe they failed to re-establish their influence. I have never been as sickened by the bias in both news and entertainment as I am now — it’s reached some kind of apogee or climax that may just break this country once and for all.

Romney’s right about the 47%, if anything he low-balls the estimate. And this is exactly what the Founders warned: when the people learn they can vote themselves largesse, the Republic is toast.

The point should be made to these media gotcha artists that if Romney is toast for plainly recognizing an undeniable statistical reality, so then is the country.

bobcalco on September 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Here’s a question for the libs: What percentage of Americans are going to be devastated when the entitlement state collapses under unsustainable debt and spending obligations? Is it more or less than 47%? Are these people wise to depend on government entitlements for the duration of their lives?

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Having been born in 1939, I’ve seen a lot but I’ve never seen anything like Obama and the things he has done to my country. I, and every senior I know, will be voting for the alternative. I have never been polled and am hoping that there are many more people like me who keep quiet until it’s time to speak with our vote.

dms on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

None of us have ever seen anything like Obama —not in this country. It’s time to get hard, people. We need to put not only Obama out of power; we need to put all his commie followers out of power. We need to oppose them at every turn, in every election from the school boards on up.

claudius on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

rubbish. spare me the sanctimony.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

You’re fighting as losing battle with the facts here, and I’m going to let you do it.

http://tinyurl.com/8bsjx5u

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Wow, the libs hate it when the truth comes out about their failed policies. Obama is the Food Stamp president and mor and more people are becoming dependent upon govt because of this economic fool. Drudge has linked to a Gallup poll yesterday that says 67% of dems think govt should do more,i.e., give more handouts. this is disgusting and is the reason they will lose.

Ta111 on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

So we’re just going to ignore the fact that many of the 47% are GOP voters and that many GOP voters are also dependent on some form of government assistance since the remark includes Social Security and medicare recipients? If you’re on Social Security, Romney has *nothing* for ya. So I suggest those folks not vote for him.

That’s the problem with people saying that “the 53% are going to vote more.” Yeah, but a lot of them (like yours truly) are voting Dem!

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

A very big chunk of the 47% who pay no income tax think that they do.

That may be a problem for the Obama Campaign/MSM plans here. Long run this won’t have much impact.

forest on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

A lot of elderly people make up the 47% for obvious reasons and they are a major republican voting block. I am with Romney on this, but he could have framed it in a better way.

celticdefender on September 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Yeah, but if you listen to his remarks, he’s not talking about the elderly who depend on SS or Medicare. He specifically cites free health care(i.e. Obamacare and Medicaid), food stamps, and housing. He’s talking about people who are of working age who ain’t working and who aren’t paying into the system in terms of federal income taxes. That’s not a swipe at the elderly.

Doughboy on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

How did Scott Walker cruise to an easy victory in the Wisconsin recall election? Huge GOP turnout. What effect will Romney’s statement have on GOP turnout in November? I’d think that conservatives who’ve been lukewarm to Romney would be getting pretty fired now and I would expect GOP turn out on Election Day to be pretty impressive.

eyedoc on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Having been born in 1939, I’ve seen a lot but I’ve never seen anything like Obama and the things he has done to my country. I, and every senior I know, will be voting for the alternative. I have never been polled and am hoping that there are many more people like me who keep quiet until it’s time to speak with our vote.

dms on September 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

How many liberals here younger than 50 think that SS and Medicare will be there for them?

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

leadership!

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:01 AM

you can skip the head exam, the diagnosis is ready.

sesquipedalian on November 3, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:01 AM

The bargaining range is degenerate. Totally collapsed. Oslo proved that. The benefits to the political decisionmakers on the Palestinian side from continued conflict are higher than the benefits from a resolution. The PA is suffering a massive agency problem.

DrSteve on September 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

i don’t click on shortened links, sorry.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Most people do NOT know this statistic. And they will now.

RepubChica on September 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

QOTD right there. How many hard working types are going to sit up and say “WTF? How many people aren’t paying? Excuse me?”

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Playing the race card already? Pathetic.

Doughboy on September 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

So we’re just going to ignore the fact that many of the 47% are GOP voters and that many GOP voters are also dependent on some form of government assistance since the remark includes Social Security and medicare recipients?

People pay taxes into SS and Medicare.

Demanding services for the money extracted from your paycheck your whole life (while being told that whole time by collectivists it’s your moral duty to support your neighbor financially no matter what it costs you) is not hypocritical. It’s what they paid for.

It’s time for the government to hold up its end of the bargain for a change, and long past time for the moochers in society to pay their fair share.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Yeah, but if you listen to his remarks, he’s not talking about the elderly who depend on SS or Medicare. He specifically cites free health care(i.e. Obamacare and Medicaid), food stamps, and housing. He’s talking about people who are of working age who ain’t working and who aren’t paying into the system in terms of federal income taxes. That’s not a swipe at the elderly.

Doughboy on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Then he’s not talking about “47 percent” of Americans. That is the rub of course. Either he meant the *actual* number of people on food stamps and in section 8 (who aren’t the elderly) or he meant “the 47%” which includes senior citizens. Can’t have it both ways.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

At least this puts an end to all the sanctimonius talk about “division” and “class warfare” from you folks.

plewis on September 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Get off that trash . . . this country has been irrevocably divided for a very long time and Romney didn’t initiate it. Furthermore, this is not “class warfare”, it’s a valid truism that the productive citizens of this country must confront head on. If the Obama dolts want to fight dirty then they can’t expect the opposition to be all sweetness and consideration.

rplat on September 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

I perceive that the media has tried to regain a lot of the power it lost to “alternative media” by openly partnering with a political party — take a guess which one — and doggedly pursuing the interests of that party, over what’s good for the country, for their own survival.

bobcalco on September 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Absolutely spot on. It’s happening in full force.

RepubChica on September 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM

So we’re just going to ignore the fact that many of the 47% are GOP voters and that many GOP voters are also dependent on some form of government assistance since the remark includes Social Security and medicare recipients? If you’re on Social Security, Romney has *nothing* for ya. So I suggest those folks not vote for him.

That’s the problem with people saying that “the 53% are going to vote more.” Yeah, but a lot of them (like yours truly) are voting Dem!

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Romney has nothing for those on SS? Social Security has no future. What’s the Democrat plan to make it solvent? What about Medicare? They are both fast approaching bankruptcy yet whenever reforming them is discussed liberals retire to their fainting couches and wail about immoral conservatives wanting people to die in the streets.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM

i don’t click on shortened links, sorry.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

The facts aren’t ceasing to exist just because you’re too much of a coward to click a link.

Sorry.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM

i don’t click on shortened links, sorry.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

It’s ok, you’re safe, the link goes to a list of stories about Brian Terry, one of the officers killed by guns sold under “Fast and Furious”.

You should go look at his face.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Then he’s not talking about “47 percent” of Americans. That is the rub of course. Either he meant the *actual* number of people on food stamps and in section 8 (who aren’t the elderly) or he meant “the 47%” which includes senior citizens. Can’t have it both ways.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

He’s talking about the bitter clingers who didn’t build that.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

It’s time for the government to hold up its end of the bargain for a change, and long past time for the moochers in society to pay their fair share.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

The “moochers” pay Social Security, sales, Medicare, city and state taxes. The EIC (might I remind you) is a GOP idea, meant to reduce the burden of taxes on low income workers who already pay a big chunk of their income to those other forms of taxation. You guys aren’t even making mathematical sense here.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

BTW, this tape was supposedly made by Jimmy Carter IV. Talk about being being a victim from birth.

Happy Nomad on September 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM

As I noted last night, Young Peanut is doing his very best to help his Grandpa retain the title of Worst President ever!

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

This is only a gaffe if Romney lets it be. Romney can’t be afraid of the msm. Use this to frame what he wants to talk about; the horrible economy, programs that cannot sustain themselves, government overspending and taxes.
As for the newest comments, I heard Romney talking about – Palestinians not truly wanting peace with Israel – again he speaks the truth. Use it…don’t run from it! Talk about failed foreign policy. Hammer Obama on these issues. Take a page from Reagan – talk over the msm and directly to the public.

WiRichey on September 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

The microsecond Mitt says anything that the democrats don’t like… the declarations of Romney’s campaign being OVER are legion.. and are all equally ridiculous..

Another round of O-Bot media hysterical circle jerks…

and all the same waste of time by the mindless left wing hacks demanding Mitt apologize for even having the unmitigated gall to even RUN against their God-King lord and savior..

as was pointed out by Mr. Morrissey, Obama has had far worse.. which the very same left wing democrat media complex either ignored, or called you racist for even noticing.

I’m so close to reaching my limit, the amount of sickening sophistry, idolatry, sycophancy and outright dishonesty from these left wing shills has reached the level of toxicity so intense… it’s killing my ability to hold it all, without going ape on any democrat I meet.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Are you simply stupid or just insane?

mark81150 on September 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

I’m not going to argue that it’s good for Romney

Actually Ed, it is. There are many in the so-called Conservative and Libertarian groups who have been lukewarm if not out-right hostile to Romney. This is the kind of talk they want to hear.
Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Romney should have made it part of RNC speech; the 47% as one way of quantifying what a disaster Obamanomics has been to Americans.

whatcat on September 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

“In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
George Orwell

TarheelBen on September 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

He’s talking about the bitter clingers who didn’t build that.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I’ll take that as an admission that you have nothing.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

But if quips won elections, I have dozens more damaging in the Obamateurism series than this.

As good as your Obamateurisms are, and they re good, they play to a very limited audience.

The questions for the debates have now been written.

Governor Romney, are you saying that the 47% whose incomes are so low that they can’t afford to pay taxes should have their tax rates raised?

Governor Romney, why should the 47% and those Americans who empathize with the 47% vote for you?

Governor Romney, haven’t you divided America into the haves and the have-nots?

Governor Romney isn’t it the have-nots who are in need of a champion, not the haves.

Governor Romney what do you say to the 47% who say this proves you are out of touch and don’t care about them.

I think conservatives who needed to hear this from Romney in order to be convinced he is a conservative are utterly hopeless.

The media is going to have a field day over this and conservatives will abandon Romney by week’s end as they did last week after his superb news conference when he was strong and Presidential.

Basilsbest on September 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

You are despicable. You realize that throwing around the word racism denigrates the word into meaninglessness and denigrates those who experience real racism both past and present.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

So we’re just going to ignore the fact that many of the 47% are GOP voters and that many GOP voters are also dependent on some form of government assistance since the remark includes Social Security and medicare recipients?
libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Once again I have to point out that you can’t read. He said those who voted for Obama. Any GOPers who voted for Obama are, well, not GOPers.

See what you and the others don’t get is that this isn’t meant for those people who support Obama but for the Conservatives and Libertarians who had their doubts about Romney. This may just change their minds.

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

The “moochers” pay Social Security, sales, Medicare, city and state taxes

And the rest of us pay income taxes in addition to those taxes, as well as a myriad of sales and transaction taxes, fees, etc. Cry us a river.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

At least this puts an end to all the sanctimonius talk about “division” and “class warfare” from you folks.

plewis on September 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Wow, the Leftists are Squealing like Stuck Pigs this morning.

Your Party Owns the class warfare meme. Girl up and admit it.

In fact, it’s all you have left, because your ideas have failed everywhere and ever time they have been tried.

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

This is a hysterical liberal media nothing burger…and stinks of liberal flop sweat.

Romney did fine in his “hastily arrange press conference”

It is designed to deflect from Obama’s ME debacle.

Stay focused Team Romney

workingclass artist on September 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

There’s a metric ton of assumptions in that comment.

tdpwells on September 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

The “moochers” pay Social Security, sales, Medicare, city and state taxes. The EIC (might I remind you) is a GOP idea, meant to reduce the burden of taxes on low income workers who already pay a big chunk of their income to those other forms of taxation. You guys aren’t even making mathematical sense here.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Everyone pays those taxes. But not everyone pays federal income taxes. That’s what Romney was referring to. And since when does paying SS, sales, Medicare, and local and state taxes entitle people to subsidized health care, food, housing, birth control, or student loans? We’re $16 trillion in the hole and adding over a trillion more dollars every year(plus interest). We can’t afford to provide all these goodies for half the country anymore.

Doughboy on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I’ll take that as an admission that you have nothing.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

They’re your President’s coined phrases, champ.

We didn’t build them.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

fast and furious, is that, like, a movie or something?

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:10

As the mother of a border patrol agent, you know where you can go.

texasaggie78 on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Even beyond the welfare queens, I’d also add to that 47 percent 49/50 professors of Womens’ Studies at your local major university (you need one for the undergrad elective, and that one’s the primatologist), your local crony business that would fall apart without government subsidy, and aaaaaaalllll of those L35bian Underwater Basketweaving Studies majors hired by the bureaucracy to dole out the benefits.

Sekhmet on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Well sure because the commenter dms is white, says so right in their post. They also noted their gender.

Seriously, do you keep race on the forefront of everything you do in life, because that was a stupid sad comment of yours.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

So are these little numbers the “October Surprise”?

Probably supposed to be, but the Obama bus was losing wheels fast with the Middle East mess. To my mind, catching your President and his administration in the level of lies that Obama’s getting caught in, is FAR worse than another candidate being honest.

BettyRuth on September 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

The “moochers” pay Social Security, sales, Medicare, city and state taxes. The EIC (might I remind you) is a GOP idea, meant to reduce the burden of taxes on low income workers who already pay a big chunk of their income to those other forms of taxation. You guys aren’t even making mathematical sense here.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

It seems pretty clear that Romney was not referring to SS and Medicare because people paid into them (nevermind that SS money has already been spent is chock full of treasury IOUs).

How do state and city taxes pay for federal entitlements again?

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

That is low class even for you.

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

As the mother of a border patrol agent, you know where you can go.

texasaggie78 on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Thank you for your son’s devotion to duty, ma’am.

kingsjester on September 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

We know why the lefties re upset and we should revel in their proving us right.

We should rejoice in their proving what we all know alread: It’s true!

They know it and worse for them they know everybody else knows it too. They have to convince people that it isn’t the validity of the topic, only that it’s outrageous to believe it.

After the PR disaster that was OWS–which was really only a 6 month exercise in proving Rmoney [pun intended] was right–they need to mute the backlash of people who will agree with Rmoney and decide it’s time to kick the freeloaders off the couch and to the curb.

Liberal circles–where bragging about your disability and unemployment benefits is as important as your post count–will fume and sputter but at the end of the day their complaints won’t mean shit. People who take themselves out of the economy aren’t necessary; they’re worse than useless, they’re a drain on those of us actually trying to accomplish something. Nobody needs them and now a national candidate has told them that it’s OK to not even want them.

What good will their protests do if a man vying for the presidency says that no matter what you do you can never curry enough favor with the layabouts? Answer: you stop trying win them over. As soon as you stop trying the impotence of the moocher class becomes immediately self-evident.

What house will go unbuilt if they separate themselves from us? What road will be unpaved? What farm will go unharvested? On the contrary they demand we provide these things for them while they contribute nothing in return except to make us work on their behalf and pay higher taxes on what we earn. They demand we keep our sodas under 32 ounces but to question how they use the EBT card we gave them is considered a dehumanizing insult.

They know we’re angry. What they do not want is that anger being articulated in a national forum. Why do you think they hate the Tea Party? It’s organized, articulated and visible.

Once you wake-up they have to out-anger you, much-like how a cheating lover plays the hyper-jealous lover to hide their infidelity. If their infidelity is ever discovered then they know you have no reason to maintain the relationship because they have shown themselves to be spoiled, petty, abusive, vindicive, self-indulgement, unfaithful, demanding and inconsiderate.

It’s time to move on America. We don’t need them, they need us and we are the only ones who can prop-up this pathetic, dysfunctional relationship.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on September 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

The comment of the morning. There is a reason why the Scott Walker recall failed in liberal Nuremberg!

jjnco73 on September 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

How do state and city taxes pay for federal entitlements again?

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Forget it, he’s rolling.

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

re;libgreed,err, libfree
You are very talented at speaking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time. In one breath you say ‘what about the poor GOP seniors’ and in the next you run them down. Awesome.

Mitsouko on September 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

A border patrol agent who was killed by a really stupid government policy from your administration is a joke to you?

Good Lt on September 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

rubbish. spare me the sanctimony.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Expert on Garbage checks in, right on schedule.

Let me guess, you still believe that Fast and Furious was started under Bush, right?

Right?

Del Dolemonte on September 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Everyone pays those taxes. But not everyone pays federal income taxes. That’s what Romney was referring to. And since when does paying SS, sales, Medicare, and local and state taxes entitle people to subsidized health care, food, housing, birth control, or student loans? We’re $16 trillion in the hole and adding over a trillion more dollars every year(plus interest). We can’t afford to provide all these goodies for half the country anymore.

Doughboy on September 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Well said.

gwelf on September 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Just released Rasmussen poll

Romney: 47%
Obama: 45%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

sentinelrules on September 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Someone born into Jim Crow America not voting for a black President? Just shocking.

libfreeordie on September 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

You know what’s sad? They allow you to teach our young adults.

kingsjester on September 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

November 27, 2011 New York Times: Democrat Party “Will Explicitly Abandon the White Working Class”

As a practical matter, the Obama campaign and, for the present, the Democratic Party, have laid to rest all consideration of reviving the coalition nurtured and cultivated by Franklin D. Roosevelt. The New Deal Coalition — which included unions, city machines, blue-collar workers, farmers, blacks, people on relief, and generally non-affluent progressive intellectuals — had the advantage of economic coherence. It received support across the board from voters of all races and religions in the bottom half of the income distribution, the very coherence the current Democratic coalition lacks.

A top priority of the less affluent wing of today’s left alliance is the strengthening of the safety net, including health care, food stamps, infant nutrition and unemployment compensation. These voters generally take the brunt of recessions and are most in need of government assistance to survive. According to recent data from the Department of Agriculture, 45.8 million people, nearly 15 percent of the population, depend on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program to meet their needs for food.

Flora Duh on September 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

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