Romney: Obama’s 47% of the electorate is dependent on government

posted at 7:34 pm on September 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Mother Jones and Ace, watch this now if you haven’t seen it elsewhere because political media will be having 20 heart attacks about it tomorrow and you’ll want to be up to speed. This was recorded awhile back at a fundraiser, just like Obama’s infamous “bitter/clinger” comments in 2008. Remember how big that blew up? That’s how we ended up with President McCain.

The dirty little secret of most “controversial” political statements is that voters pay them little mind, especially when they’re preoccupied with bread-and-butter issues. The GOP spent three days in Tampa hammering Obama for the “you didn’t build that” line and a fat lot of good it did them in vaulting Romney past O in the polls. Then again, the GOP didn’t have a media megaphone like the one that’s going to be amplifying this for the rest of the week. The money quote:

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…

“And I mean the president starts off with 48, 49 … he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to convince the five to ten percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not.”

Certainly, the Obama campaign’s never done anything to tout the sort of cradle-to-grave dependency that Romney describes here. I think David French’s recent post about the “bookends” that compose the modern liberal coalition is closer to the mark than Romney’s familiar makers-and-takers formulation here, but he was at a fundraiser and tossing red meat and I guess wanted it to be as red as possible. As for his claim that 47 percent pay no income tax, it’s true but carries lots of caveats. Ramesh Ponnuru wrote an insightful piece about last year; this new article from National Journal is worth reading too. Two political difficulties here. One: While some Obama supporters may not pay federal income tax, they still pay federal payroll tax and may well pay state and city taxes. They do contribute something to government. Two: A lot of pro-Republican working-class voters pay no income tax due to the Earned Income Tax Credit, and a lot of pro-Republican seniors pay no income tax because most or all of their income is Social Security. Not sure how either of those groups will react to Romney’s critique of O’s fans, but my hunch is that Ben Domenech’s right in believing that no one really thinks they’re part of the 47 percent. Everyone thinks they’re a “maker,” not a “taker,” due to whatever little tax they pay, so when Mitt lays into freeloaders, even people who pay no income tax think he’s talking about someone else. It’s sort of the flip side of senior citizens saying that America needs small government while telling politicians “Hands off my Medicare.” I doubt it’ll end up hurting Romney badly, but the media will do its level best. Buckle up!

That’s the first video. The second video is of Romney joking that he’d have a better chance at being elected if he was Latino, which is almost certainly true.

Update: Damage control from Romney’s campaign:

Mitt Romney wants to help all Americans struggling in the Obama economy. As the governor has made clear all year, he is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly one in six Americans in poverty, and the 23 million Americans who are struggling to find work. Mitt Romney’s plan creates 12 million new jobs in four years, grows the economy and moves Americans off of government dependency and into jobs.



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Mitt should’ve tried a different tack. He should have apologized for the tone. That its not their fault that these people were forced to live through the Obama economy.

Zaggs on September 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM

The corner just said Romney just did this

http://youtu.be/PWU9g1Fce3U

Conservative4ev on September 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Catching up on Greta, and I’m torn:

New Secy of State – John Bolton or Liz Cheney.

I’m happy either way…

ccrosby on September 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM

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Thanks for mentioning, as I’m not watching.

That would be “a coin toss”, wouldn’t it?

I’d probably lean Bolton, but I hardly consider Liz Cheney to be chopped liver, either.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

So the walk back is that Romney’s policies are *irrelevant* to 47% of the U.S. population? Less offensive but not better news for the R&R ticket.

libfreeordie on September 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Allahpundit on September 17, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Allahpundit on September 17, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Pardon the expression, but I feel your pain. Thumbs up and carry on.

I shall NEVER be a Mittbot, as long as I have my Palin poster to protect me.

Axe on September 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Cheers!

Behind closed doors,fine…TERRIBLE DELIVERY FOR THE PUBLIC’S EARS

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I agree, and in politics there are no closed doors at a fund raiser. A politician and speak his mind with his spouse and tried and true aides, but otherwise always assume there’s a chance you’re being recorded.

INC on September 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

How much did he inherit from his parents?

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Basically…nothing. He got a check which he gave to BYU. That’s it.

Deanna on September 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

How come Fox thinks this story is so toxic?

Dave Rywall on September 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Probably focused on a more important story,…Obama losing Afghanistan to the Taliban/Al-Queda.

BREAKING: Suicide bomber in Afghan capital kills at least 9

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=&sid=2078707

sentinelrules on September 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I sure picked the wrong 24 hours to give up Hot Air !!

Yikes, this’ll take another 24 just to read through !!

Right on, Mitt !!

pambi on September 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM

As the old saying goes, if you’re not taking flack, you’re not over the target. Boy, is Mitt over the target on this one.

mpthompson on September 17, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Pretty much told it like it is though why he’s too chicken to say it openly at a public rally is beyond me. Say it out loud. Obama got caught on these hidden and/or “hot” mics voicing what he really thinks several times (bitter clingers to guns and bibles or telling the Russians to give him some time on missile defense to be more “flexible”) so you’d think these politicians would be wise enough to assume every time they open their mouths someone is recording it to get a “gotcha” moment.

Yakko77 on September 17, 2012 at 11:37 PM

he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

You really are jealous, aren’t you? LOL

Deanna on September 17, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I agree, and in politics there are no closed doors at a fund raiser. A politician and speak his mind with his spouse and tried and true aides, but otherwise always assume there’s a chance you’re being recorded.

INC on September 17, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Except Obamas, and I think what he said was good. he also didn’t back down. The media is out to get him no matter what he says or does so he might as well go out swinging…

sandee on September 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

He will be forced to stand with this sentiment or walk away and I really hope he stands by it. This is something that needs to be brought out into the open and for people to decide which way they want to go.

sharrukin on September 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM

The fear! They will bring a poor family out. What about these kids. Do they deserve to be lumped into that 47%? (they are not voters of course). Then the disabled person. How about him, does he deserve to be lumped in with them. (never mind the fact that many places want to hire just exactly people like him. Walmart, charitable organizations and so forth, but are forced to compete with government entitlements.) Plenty of blacks… do you hate the blacks!?!

Romney needs to be firm, get a job or you do not eat! That is the founding, the REAL founding of this nation. They tried the socialist everyone shares method, and it was failing and the colony was going to starve and collapse. But when they went the free market approach, they had so much surplus they became traders!

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

1) So now the hope is that seniors, and all the “Julias” (lol) don’t realize that Romney is talking about them…when he is? Isn’t that a low-informed voter that you decry when you see polls going for O?

2) Romney said all Obama voters are dependent on the Government

there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.

and

” I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. “

Behind closed doors,fine…TERRIBLE DELIVERY FOR THE PUBLIC’S EARS

I’m not saying he’s toast, but imagine the adds, without the bigger context…and oh, the debate should be fun. Again, this is the guy who pays 13% on income tax vs the majority of the 47% who are paying at least 15% on payroll…and oh, he won’t tell you how much he paid before that. If you had to chose, would want to be in this position in mid september?

Someone else said it best earlier: The boo rah rah from the base is only energizing the other side.

Fire away!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

He is not talking about seniors..that is obvious. For one thing more than 47% end up Social Security and Medicare..including Paul Ryan’s mother. I have a feeling he will be getting her vote.

He is talking about that 47% that is Obama’s base…they do believe that government should take care of them..that is why they vote for Obama..and he also mentioned in his press conference that when he talked about the 47% that do not pay federal income taxes he was referring to his promise to lower tax rates…he can not promise to lower tax rates for people who do not pay taxes.

I think you underestimate how much resentment the majority of Americans feel for people that they think are abusing and gaming the system for personal gain. Older people fear they will lose their benefits so that the government can fund some new boondoggle. Many people on medicaid resent the government putting more and more people on that system and making cuts for people who truly have no alternatives.

47.6 million people on food stamps..do Democrats think that is something to brag about? Really?

Most people would prefer a job..those people are the people Romney is trying to reach.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

How much did he inherit from his parents?

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM

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he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

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ELITE STATUS! . . . I knew there was something about him.

What else? Discipline? Work ethic? Reverence and respect for the God of the Bible?

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Someone else said it best earlier: The boo rah rah from the base is only energizing the other side.

Fire away!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

If it’s a matter of courting the senior vote… ObamaCare has a 500bill dollar medicare cut. Romney hasn’t proposed any cut to any entitlement for seniors. If Obama plays this up for the senior vote he’s gonna have to defend those cuts. Obama isn’t trying to run on the economy right now. He’s all about character and likability …

BoxHead1 on September 17, 2012 at 11:39 PM

sandee on September 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I imagine Obama lost some votes over that statement. He’s never lived it down and it is still repeated regardless of the fact the media has tried to ignore it.

INC on September 17, 2012 at 11:40 PM

If Mitt really wants to double down, he’ll say that barack is actively cultivating a dependent class to serve as agitation mobs — like OWS…and most of the Middle East.

Rational Thought on September 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

This should not have been said in front of a group. He should also take it out of his mindset. As long as he thinks this, he won’t persuade anyone even if he never says these words. He should be focused on making his case as to why this is best.

INC on September 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM

he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

You really are jealous, aren’t you? LOL

Deanna on September 17, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Yes, he is.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM

he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

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Rio Linda Refugee on September 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Romney needs to be firm, get a job or you do not eat! That is the founding, the REAL founding of this nation. They tried the socialist everyone shares method, and it was failing and the colony was going to starve and collapse. But when they went the free market approach, they had so much surplus they became traders!

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

He doesn’t even have to go that far. Talk about how dependency destroys lives and crushes the spirit of the people it claims to help. Tell them that ‘They Deserve Better’ than to be relying on a government bureaucrat giving them handouts.

sharrukin on September 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Thanks for mentioning, as I’m not watching.

That would be “a coin toss”, wouldn’t it?

I’d probably lean Bolton, but I hardly consider Liz Cheney to be chopped liver, either.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I agree, John Bolton is the man we need to follow Mr Hillary Clinton. I think he is the only person who might get everyone’s attention!

How about Ms. Cheney as Amabssador to the UN? That would make for an interesting council mtg.

ccrosby on September 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Romney should say “…damn right I said , and damn right I meant it. I expect that 47% to decline by my second term because they will have a job and not be dependant on the economy”.

Tater Salad on September 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

If it’s a matter of courting the senior vote… ObamaCare has a 500bill dollar medicare cut. Romney hasn’t proposed any cut to any entitlement for seniors. If Obama plays this up for the senior vote he’s gonna have to defend those cuts. Obama isn’t trying to run on the economy right now. He’s all about character and likability …

BoxHead1 on September 17, 2012 at 11:39 PM

That is right..seniors are already getting screwed by Obama.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Let’s see if the media will report his campaign contributions from this?

Conservative4ev on September 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

So Dana Loesch, whom I admire ,thinks this was the October surprise sprung early because Obama screwed up so badly last week with the embassy attacks. maybe, but I’m sure the media has more…

sandee on September 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM

There are millions of hardworking people whose combination of low or modest income and/or deductions qualify them for all or most of their federal withholding to be refunded back to them each year. They aren’t deliberately evading paying federal income taxes. Why would anyone assume all people in this category see themselves as entitled victims? Why should they be lumped in with those who are truly moochers?

susandiane311 on September 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Those were not the people whom Romney was talking about – and they know it. And no one of any intelligence considers those people to be part of the “47%”, who can rightly be considered moochers.
But, under obama’s increasing regulation, those people are going to see their chance at the American Dream recede further and further…until it is completely out of reach. Also, under obama, they will soon see a “minimum tax” imposed which will completely stymie their attempts at upward mobility. And – since there is no way to pay for all of obama’s programs by soaking the “rich” – there will be sharp increases in the income tax rates for the middle and lower brackets as well.
At least with Romney, they’ll have a shot at the American Dream. They’ll be allowed to rise as far as their wishes and talents will take them.

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Morehouse is a third rate school with a fourth rate faculty.

bayview on September 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

You left out Morehouse’s disdain, verging on hatred of gays.

Bmore on September 17, 2012 at 11:44 PM

he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

That is stupid…his hard work made his wealth possible and btw a lot of people have become wealthy without rich parents or a great education..

I guess you are saying he did not build that.

Figures.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Great – now Allahpundit is CHEERING ON the Leftist Media Narrative…….

williamg on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on September 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM

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Yeah … that response works, too. : )

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

All the more pity, as the seniors are the core, the first of the entitlement junkies. If they were not, the retirement age to collect would be 74 right now.

All other entitlements are rooted to social security. If you cannot get rid of it, then the voting for other people’s wealth to be given to you will continue. Then there is no hope.

I am still trying to figure out why that doctor couple with disabled stickers on their vehicles that lived next door to me that went downhill skiing every weekend during the snow season deserve 15.3% of my wealth creation when I have family of my own that need the money more.

Can YOU answer me that?

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

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Rich people go broke all the time Charlie. Your next line should be….
You didn’t earn that !!

A play on the words of your naked Emperor WHO HAS BEEN GIVEN EVERYTHING IN HIS LIFE TO GET HIM TO WHERE HE IS AT TODAY, and yes that includes the drugs he took.

FlaMurph on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

libfreeordie on September 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Just get the fine folks at Morehouse straight would ya?

Bmore on September 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Right on! Right on, Romney! More donations on the way!

He is 110% right on this. This country is at the tipping point and this election will tell us if this nation is a lost cause or not.

I would have gone further if I were him and said if I can convince the dumb single women to pull their heads out…

Rockshine on September 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM

sharrukin on September 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

But the educational part below that is the important peace anyways.

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:47 PM

There are millions of hardworking people whose combination of low or modest income and/or deductions qualify them for all or most of their federal withholding to be refunded back to them each year. They aren’t deliberately evading paying federal income taxes. Why would anyone assume all people in this category see themselves as entitled victims? Why should they be lumped in with those who are truly moochers?

susandiane311 on September 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

He was not saying that..Good Lord did people hear the press conference or his other remarks? Romney has maintained that he can not appeal to those voters because he can not offer them the tax cut he is offering other people who do pay taxes.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:47 PM

I’d probably lean Bolton, but I hardly consider Liz Cheney to be chopped liver, either.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

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I agree, John Bolton is the man we need to follow Mr Hillary Clinton. I think he is the only person who might get everyone’s attention!

How about Ms. Cheney as Amabssador to the UN? That would make for an interesting council mtg.

ccrosby on September 17, 2012 at 11:42 PM

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That would work for me. You might want to alter your spelling of Ambassador, though.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Yeah … that response works, too. : )

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

With these stools that is really all that is needed. Trying to lead them into the light is futile.

Rio Linda Refugee on September 17, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Just watched that hastily thrown together Mitt Romney press conference. Hot Mess doesn’t begin to describe it. He looked nervous, rushed and super desperate. Not like someone who wants to really have a substantive debate about the size of government…..once again any Romney anxiety I have the candidate himself quickly squashes.

libfreeordie on September 17, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Perhaps Mitt was speaking to all 57 states and their corpse men, teehee. Go pay your taxes, mommy needs a new weave.

nwpammy on September 17, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Do you think it was Team Mitt that leaked that clip to Mother Jones?

Remember earlier in the day when Romney advisors told Buzzfeed that Romney’s priority was to get the conservative base fired up. Consider the box checked. Done. This is some tasty, tasty red meat.

I think Mittens is playing the media for fools. They can’t resist a headline with ‘Romeny gaffe’ in it so now they are inadvertently making giant campaign commercials for him to get the base fired up.

bitsy on September 17, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Can YOU answer me that?

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I won’t even try…but I will say that at least Romney and Ryan are proposing some reforms that will require more from people like that.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Labor Dept. Data: Only 1.75 Full-Time Private Sector Workers Per Social Security Recipient

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

If Mitt really wants to double down, he’ll say that barack is actively cultivating a dependent class to serve as agitation mobs — like OWS…and most of the Middle East.

Rational Thought on September 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM

This debate has to explode out into the open and Romney has to be the one to do it. This is what the media is so terrified of and why they swarm whenever it looks like the debate is going to escape their sphere of control. This is Romney’s chance. Will he prove equal to it or will the Stuart Spencers and Ed Gillespies who advise muzzling “caution” once more ruin us.

rrpjr on September 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Mittens inadvertently helped himself tonight.

Thanks, Ma Jones!

But you don’t need 7 minutes to say what you can say in two.

The message is fine, the discipline, not so much.

Bruno Strozek on September 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

While that is not elegantly stated, shall we say, he has a point. His dad is the one who built up from scratch. Romney stood on his dad’s shoulders. There’s nothing wrong with that, many people do.

(And I already know that Romney gave away his inheritance and built his own fortune. He did, however, have the influence of his father in mindset and background.).

INC on September 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Trying to lead them into the light is futile.

Rio Linda Refugee on September 17, 2012 at 11:49 PM

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It’s mostly futile, if you’re seriously hoping to change their minds.

I just do it for the recreational value.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

libfreeordie

Part of the 47%

bitsy on September 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Can YOU answer me that?

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

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Your question can only be answered by the Government you trust so much.

Better question: what did the Government do with the neighbor couples SS payroll taxes all thos eyears they were working. Why would the need your 15.3% , when your neighbors had to have paid in for 30-40 yrs each?

What did your neighbors do wrong to deserve punishment ?

Trusting your Government?

FlaMurph on September 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

So the walk back is that Romney’s policies are *irrelevant* to 47% of the U.S. population? Less offensive but not better news for the R&R ticket.
libfreeordie on September 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Uh, no. He’s saying he wants to reduce dependency on government for everyone.

It should be illuminating to you that you basically equate dependency on the state with the liberal agenda. From slavery to indentured servitude.

gwelf on September 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

OK, I’m on the left coast, and got home late…but why the heck does Greta have on Rick Klein to comment on Mitt’s comment tonight?

The guy has proven himslef to be an Obama lover and her continuing to put up these partisans up as “jounralists” is hilarious.

ccrosby on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

I’m sensing a GAMEPLAN here.

gerry

gerrym51 on September 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Heh. Heh. Heh.

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

That is stupid…his hard work made his wealth possible and btw a lot of people have become wealthy without rich parents or a great education..

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

whatever. obviously being born into a rich family, going to the best schools and having the right connections didn’t matter. at all.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

So Dana Loesch, whom I admire ,thinks this was the October surprise sprung early because Obama screwed up so badly last week with the embassy attacks. maybe, but I’m sure the media has more…

sandee on September 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM

If so, I am not sure it will work out the way they wanted it too..especially if Obama releases the blind sheik.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I won’t even try…but I will say that at least Romney and Ryan are proposing some reforms that will require more from people like that.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

There goes the entire argument then. The crack addict inner city mentally retarded kid and his mom are certainly more NEEDY than that couple. How can not pay them if we are paying the doctor couple that has millions of dollars in the bank? This is the entire method that socialism works and will always end up working. If you are giving to some, then there is always more that are also deserving. The criteria will be ever increasing the pool.

I am willing to live with a balanced budget amendment with a cap on federal spending. Keep your socialism as long as it has a limit certain!So long as the limit is open ended, then it ALL HAS TO GO. Or the next election will be the other side out in force hiring their government thugs to rattle the piggy banks of our young.

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:54 PM

he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Why don’t you go to the grocery store sometime and try to buy a basketful with a check written for “elite status”? See what you walk out with.

Mitt worked for his money – and you crybabies and moochers just can’t stand it.

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

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whatever. obviously being born into a rich family, going to the best schools and having the right connections didn’t matter. at all.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

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The POINT is: Why should it make any difference in your choice in casting your vote?

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:56 PM

whatever. obviously being born into a rich family, going to the best schools and having the right connections didn’t matter. at all.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

I never said they did not matter at all, but he is where he is today because of his own efforts..and by the way, his Dad was born poor. That should make you like him more..

That is why the Democrats and Michelle Obama came up with the fantasy about Obama dumpster diving for furniture..what a hoot. Michelle and Barack were not poor..Barack went to a private school and Michelle went to a very good school too. They both got into the Ivy League and they had enough resources that they did not have to work. When they started dating he was working for a law firm, he was not poverty stricken…within a few years they were part of the 1%. All that crap about how they struggled was just bullsh*t.

Terrye on September 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM

whatever. obviously being born into a rich family, going to the best schools and having the right connections didn’t matter. at all.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

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The POINT is: Why should it make any difference in your choice in casting your vote?

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Leftism is social envy made into a political philosophy.

sharrukin on September 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Can YOU answer me that?

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I can. It just happens. People get away with all kinds of things from burglary to murder to embezzlement to scams. We can try to stop them, and we do try, but there will always be those who get away with it. Doesn’t make it right. it just is.
You mentioned Seniors, I think they get a bad rap. They did pay into SSA and many pay their $110 a month(deducted from SSA) for Medicare plus some amount for the Drug Plan. Those who don’t must get very low SSA. Seniors bought the promise of SSA when people thought the government could be trusted. To blame them now is unfair.
I’ve worked with government programs and I can tell you that it isn’t the Seniors who take advantage of the rest of us, it’s those who insist on having children they can’t afford or who simply don’t want to work at all..

Deanna on September 17, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Your question can only be answered by the Government you trust so much.

Better question: what did the Government do with the neighbor couples SS payroll taxes all thos eyears they were working. Why would the need your 15.3% , when your neighbors had to have paid in for 30-40 yrs each?

What did your neighbors do wrong to deserve punishment ?

Trusting your Government?

FlaMurph on September 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

I do not trust the government. I want it out of my pockets and my daughter’s pockets.
Those monies went into the general fund and paid for other current at the time retirees as the LAW specified as well as things like piss jesus and NPR. No lock box, no personal account, no ownership and nothing OWED at the end per the Supreme Court of the United States of America and the law itself.
What did they do wrong? They believed the lies the government was telling them about lock boxes. Their money is long gone, paid out to some crackwhre granny pimping her underage grand-kids to her johns for extra money to pay for the big screen tv. Who knows where the money went.

Who do you think would spend it wiser, the person who did not earn it or the person who earned it?

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:59 PM

OMG!

Finally.

A way to make socialism work.

Take some of Mitt’s “elite status” from him and give it to me.

I had to tell my friend that “elite status” is not a small Chrysler.

IlikedAUH2O on September 18, 2012 at 12:00 AM

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:54 PM

No,not really. The kind of reforms that Ryan and Romney are talking about will require that people with money pay more in or take less out. It will also give people an option for private insurance instead of straight medicare. That might not be the change you want, but it is certainly better than what Obama is offering and it is possible to accomplish.

Terrye on September 18, 2012 at 12:00 AM

whatever. obviously being born into a rich family, going to the best schools and having the right connections didn’t matter. at all.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

If you got any more green with envy you’d turn into the Hulk. LOL

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 12:01 AM

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:56 PM

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Leftism is social envy made into a political philosophy.

sharrukin on September 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM

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I really didn’t account sesqui’ as a “rank liberal”, before this thread.

Was that my mistake?

listens2glenn on September 18, 2012 at 12:01 AM

That would work for me. You might want to alter your spelling of Ambassador, though.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM

I bet if she gets it, she won’t care much…

But taken under advisement ;-)

ccrosby on September 18, 2012 at 12:02 AM

whatever. obviously being born into a rich family, going to the best schools and having the right connections didn’t matter. at all.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

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You musta been really bummed to learn such fine limousine liberals like the Kennedy’s, the Roosevelt’s, the Ghores and the Kerry’s were ALL RICH WHITE PEOPLE TOO, just as you accuse Romney. Listen to yourself sometimes.

Your dishonesty is getting to be irritating.

FlaMurph on September 18, 2012 at 12:02 AM

I’ve worked with government programs and I can tell you that it isn’t the Seniors who take advantage of the rest of us, it’s those who insist on having children they can’t afford or who simply don’t want to work at all..

Deanna on September 17, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Yeah, they actually do. The retirement age should have been increased every time life expectancy was raised. Then it might be different. The way it is now. many decades on the public dole, they are taking advantage of the rest of us.


Labor Dept. Data: Only 1.75 Full-Time Private Sector Workers Per Social Security Recipient

astonerii on September 18, 2012 at 12:03 AM

I’ve worked with government programs and I can tell you that it isn’t the Seniors who take advantage of the rest of us, it’s those who insist on having children they can’t afford or who simply don’t want to work at all..

Deanna on September 17, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Yes,living on less than 1000 a month is not easy and they still pay for their drugs..that plan does not make them free,

Terrye on September 18, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Mitt needs to double down and attack the Left, they are expecting him to cower and run from the comment. It will shore up his base and the disaffected undecided.

Tater Salad on September 18, 2012 at 12:03 AM

he inherited his elite status that made his wealth possible in the first place.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

And here’s your philosophy in a nutshell.

A person has to be part of the “elite” to be successful. Poor people are too helpless to create anything of worth, therefore we have to carry the stupid creatures through life.

It’s contempt, disguised as phony “compassion”. The soft bigotry of low expectations.

Gelsomina on September 18, 2012 at 12:04 AM

whatever. obviously being born into a rich family, going to the best schools and having the right connections didn’t matter. at all.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Did it matter for the drunk that dove his car off the bridge, killing his girlfriend and running away from the scene. Is that what you mean? Or how about the guy who wandered off into the woods and shot himself in the head? That guy? Did those two get your vote?

Bmore on September 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

I do not trust the government. I want it out of my pockets and my daughter’s pockets.
Those monies went into the general fund and paid for other current at the time retirees as the LAW specified as well as things like piss jesus and NPR. No lock box, no personal account, no ownership and nothing OWED at the end per the Supreme Court of the United States of America and the law itself.
What did they do wrong? They believed the lies the government was telling them about lock boxes. Their money is long gone, paid out to some crackwhre granny pimping her underage grand-kids to her johns for extra money to pay for the big screen tv. Who knows where the money went.

Who do you think would spend it wiser, the person who did not earn it or the person who earned it?

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:59 PM

FlaMurph on September 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

I really didn’t account sesqui’ as a “rank liberal”, before this thread.

Was that my mistake?

listens2glenn on September 18, 2012 at 12:01 AM

The majority are. Some are just better at hiding it than others.

sharrukin on September 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Heres the NON-PAYER By State MAP!
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Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

RT @AntDeRosa: Where the 47% live http://twitpic.com/avrlm4 via @scotthomasson

http://twitpic.com/avrlm4

canopfor on September 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM

just saying – don tblame the tax payer first. And punishing success has not been a part of America until now.

I’m glad you do not want to be owned by the government.

FlaMurph on September 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM

HuffPo came on strong earlier this afternoon, as if they were going to have a long term talking point. After the news conference they don’t know what to report because he didn’t back down and has decided to own the comments.

Tater Salad on September 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM

1076 tedious.

Bmore on September 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM

No,not really. The kind of reforms that Ryan and Romney are talking about will require that people with money pay more in or take less out. It will also give people an option for private insurance instead of straight medicare. That might not be the change you want, but it is certainly better than what Obama is offering and it is possible to accomplish.

Terrye on September 18, 2012 at 12:00 AM

So, more wealth transfer from producer to non producer. Great answer.
As for the private insurance thing, nothing stops the near majority of the vote seniors from voting for more money to pay for higher priced plans.

Like I said. Go ahead and keep that garbage all you like. Your addicts. Just give me a certain limit on how much you can take from producers to give to the non producers. Cap and Balance. Then the producers and non producers can battle it out on the political battlefield and leave my daughter’s future earnings in her hands and her votes. Fair enough?

Now I am back to not voting Romney. I should have went to bed!

astonerii on September 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM

I bet if she gets it, she won’t care much…

But taken under advisement ;-)

ccrosby on September 18, 2012 at 12:02 AM

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Well, okay … this time. But I’m watching you.

Don’t forget, I have the ministry of Judgement.

I also have the ministry of humility, and I’m sooo proud of that!

listens2glenn on September 18, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Wow! The Mitt in that video is the Mitt I’ve been waiting for! Time to make another contribution.

maubman on September 18, 2012 at 12:10 AM

astonerii on September 18, 2012 at 12:03 AM

You’re worong. They went into the program in the belief it worked. They put in, they could take out. It’s not their fault it isn’t working or that the government “borrowed” their funds.
I wonder how many people you know on SSA. I know many of them and none of them are living not much above or even at the poverty line. Those that make more do pay for Medicare and Medicare Drug Plans. And Medicare doesn’t pay for everything, there are many things it either doesn’t pay or pays very little, so most have to buy a MediGap policy from a private company.

They were promised something that they paid into. I don’t call that taking advantage of me.

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM

If you got any more green with envy you’d turn into the Hulk. LOL

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 12:01 AM

i love you, deanna, but you gotta stop hitting the bong.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Wow! The Mitt in that video is the Mitt I’ve been waiting for! Time to make another contribution.

maubman on September 18, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Agreed ! Since the deck is stacked against him in the media I say he might is well go out there swinging!

sandee on September 18, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Wow! The Mitt in that video is the Mitt I’ve been waiting for! Time to make another contribution.

maubman on September 18, 2012 at 12:10 AM

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How can that be? I just heard tell from libfree or … something, that Romney looked nervous and ill prepared.

listens2glenn on September 18, 2012 at 12:13 AM

i love you, deanna, but you gotta stop hitting the bong.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM

But you do sound envious..envious and spiteful and hypocritical..it is not as if all the rich people are Republicans you know.

Terrye on September 18, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Did it matter for the drunk that dove his car off the bridge, killing his girlfriend and running away from the scene. Is that what you mean? Or how about the guy who wandered off into the woods and shot himself in the head? That guy? Did those two get your vote?

Bmore on September 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

the issue is not romney’s status per se, but his sneering, elitist contempt toward those less fortunate than he is.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 12:17 AM

They were promised something that they paid into. I don’t call that taking advantage of me.

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Lots of promises were made that can’t be met. Its not sustainable given the economy, birthrate, and debt.

sharrukin on September 18, 2012 at 12:17 AM

i love you, deanna, but you gotta stop hitting the bong.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Oh I gave that up after Woodstock ;0)

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Ted Kennedy was born a poor black child.

Bishop on September 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM

whatever. obviously being born into a rich family, going to the best schools and having the right connections didn’t matter. at all.

sesquipedalian on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Good heavens man, get hold of yourself! Are you aware there are RICH LIBERALS? Go bother them.

Night Owl on September 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Those were not the people whom Romney was talking about – and they know it. And no one of any intelligence considers those people to be part of the “47%”, who can rightly be considered moochers.”

How else would you interpret what Romney originally said? Did he carve out exceptions like those who paid into SS, veterans, the truly disabled, etc?

On its face it appears as if he’s accusing 47% of the electorate of being leeches on the other 53%. I don’t believe that’s what he actually meant, but that’s going to be the optics for many undecided voters. Again, nuance is important.

FWIW, I’m voting for Romney but have to admit that I cringed when I read this article. We don’t need to be manufacturing more ammunition for the Obama campaign.

susandiane311 on September 18, 2012 at 12:19 AM

astonerii on September 17, 2012 at 11:54 PM

All true. This is going to sound retro; What is Obama is the marxist son of a communist? His father was a communist and his mother and grandmother were socialists. I’m sure his mom married his communist father not despite the communism but ,in part, because of the communism. You can find families like his in Cambridge, upperwest side, berkley, Makiki(evidently)… They are out and proud of their marxist roots. They really exist and have managed to give us a president.

Romney is a capitalist. That doesn’t ,by itself , make him great but there is a biiig difference when compared to the chicago commies. I’m voting Romney for president and the Tea Party in 2014/16.

BoxHead1 on September 18, 2012 at 12:19 AM

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BoxHead1 on September 18, 2012 at 12:20 AM

the issue is not romney’s status per se, but his sneering, elitist contempt toward those less fortunate than he is.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 12:17 AM

You were going on about his rich family and the best schools, not his attitude.

sharrukin on September 18, 2012 at 12:20 AM

So, more wealth transfer from producer to non producer. Great answer.
As for the private insurance thing, nothing stops the near majority of the vote seniors from voting for more money to pay for higher priced plans.

Like I said. Go ahead and keep that garbage all you like. Your addicts. Just give me a certain limit on how much you can take from producers to give to the non producers. Cap and Balance. Then the producers and non producers can battle it out on the political battlefield and leave my daughter’s future earnings in her hands and her votes. Fair enough?

Now I am back to not voting Romney. I should have went to bed!

astonerii on September 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Good Lord man..if Romney did what you are suggesting he would have no chance of winning at all. These people are running to be our representatives..they are supposed to represent us and our views. If Romney were to call for an end to all those programs and start talking about wealth transfer in regards to some old lady living in subsidized housing subsisting on 800 a month no one would vote for him because no one would agree with that.

Terrye on September 18, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Are you aware there are RICH LIBERALS?

Night Owl on September 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM

let me know when one of them calls half of Americans parasites.

idiot.

sesquipedalian on September 18, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Lots of promises were made that can’t be met. Its not sustainable given the economy, birthrate, and debt.

sharrukin on September 18, 2012 at 12:17 AM

I agree. But to blame the elderly for the government’s screw up is unfair. Most Seniors I know are worried for their children and grandchildren. As they say, they’ll get by, always have… but the future doesn’t look good for the others.(A quote from an elderly souple I know.) I think the problem is also that younger people are less and lass capable of living on less. They don’t know how. Seniors do.

Deanna on September 18, 2012 at 12:22 AM

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