American consulate in Pakistan under siege, one rioter killed

posted at 8:41 am on September 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Welcome to a second week of American diplomatic outposts in Muslim nations living under siege.  Today, the news comes from Karachi, Pakistan, where the military had to respond to the American consulate to keep it from being overrun by rioters.  One died in the melee and “dozens” injured, the New York Times reports:

 One person was killed and dozens of people were injured when anti-American protesters tried to storm the American Consulate in the southern port city of Karachi and clashed for several hours with the police and paramilitary troops on Sunday evening, rescue workers and police officials said.

The outbreak of violence came after days of peaceful demonstrations in Pakistan against the release of a video mocking the Prophet Muhammad. Pakistani officials had increased security in all major cities before Friday Prayer services, which have in the past served as flash points for protests, and until Sunday, calm had prevailed. The American Embassy here said in a message posted Sunday evening on Twitter that “all American personnel are safe and accounted for at U.S. Consulate, Karachi.” …

The demonstration on Sunday was spearheaded by two groups of Shiites, a minority in Pakistan, which had urged demonstrators to march “toward” the American Consulate.

The police responded by blocking the road that leads to the American Consulate with concrete barriers and shipping containers on Sunday afternoon. Then, as the march neared, the police fired tear gas canisters into the crowd. That failed to contain waves of angry demonstrators, who grew increasingly agitated, witnesses said.

The police and Rangers, a force controlled by the Interior Ministry, then fired shots into the air as demonstrators rushed through the clouds of tear gas, trying to reach the outer boundary wall of the heavily fortified consulate building. Water cannons were also used on the protesters, who began hurling stones.

So what was the message?  We’ll get to that in a moment.  Meanwhile, Iranian state media is promoting an effort by a “religious foundation” to increase the bounty on Salman Rushdie’s head, after all these years:

An Iranian religious foundation has increased its reward for the killing of British author Salman Rushdie, in response to a U.S.-made film that mocks the Prophet Muhammad, sparking protests across the Muslim world.

Rushdie, an Indian-born British novelist who has nothing to do with the film, was condemned to death in 1989 by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran’s late leader, over his novel “The Satanic Verses,” saying its depiction of the Prophet Muhammad was blasphemous.

Khomeini’s fatwa – or religious edict – was condemned in the West as incitement to murder and an assault on freedom of speech, but a wealthy Iranian religious organization has offered a large reward to anyone carrying it out and decided to increase the bounty amid the furor over the online film.

“I am adding another $500,000 to the reward for killing Salman Rushdie, and anyone who carries out this sentence will receive the whole amount immediately,” said Hassan Sanei, the foundation’s head, in a statement carried by the Iranian Students’ News Agency (ISNA).

In case anyone wonders, the bounty is now up to $3.3 million — for a novel written nearly 25 years ago.  When the book got published, radical Islamists started riots around the world, which sounds rather familiar this month.

Let’s get back to the message.  The Times includes this paragraph at the end of its report on the riot in Karachi:

Protesters held placards and shouted slogans against the United States government. One placard read, “O Obama, we are all Osama.” Another placard read, “Blasphemy is not freedom of expression, and its sentence is death.”

The message from Karachi, Iran, and the burning embassies in Arab nations is that radical Islamists reject freedom of speech and religious expression entirely.  They want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world, just like they did in 1988 when Rushdie’s novel was published, just like they did on 9/11, and just like they always have.  Pretty speeches in Cairo won’t change that, and sending out messages condemning the “denigration” of religious belief as an “abuse” of free speech won’t change it, either.  In fact, it just encourages more of this response in the long run.


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No, Ed! He’s the light bringer. Should that be capitalized?

I truly believe that the day I’m inaugurated, not only does the country look at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently.

Thank you, Mr. Treacher.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/17/barack-obama-nov-2007-i-truly-believe-that-the-day-im-inaugurated-not-only-does-the-country-look-at-itself-differently-but-the-world-looks-at-america-differently/

Cindy Munford on September 17, 2012 at 10:00 AM

I know it was long ago, and lets keep it that way!

nathor on September 17, 2012 at 9:57 AM

If you knew it was CENTURIES ago, then why did you bring it up? Yeah, Christians did crazy stuff too, but that was in the middle ages.
Muslims do crazy stuff now! They are stuck in the middle ages.

If they want to act like it is the Middle Ages then I say let’s show them some Modern Age response capabilities.

D-fusit on September 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

It used to be that our illustrious liberal leaders in Wash DC treated terrorism as criminal acts. Now it’s total capitulation and somehow this movie-maker’s fault that is fueling this round of anti-American extremism.

It totally disgusts me how Hillary is apologizing to these radical animals and Obama wants to keep sweeping all this under the rug…out of sight, out of mind.

There’s an election to be won.

JetBoy on September 17, 2012 at 9:54 AM

heh

Trailer for controversial Osama bin Laden film ‘Zero Dark Thirty’ released

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9460170/Trailer-for-controversial-Osama-bin-Laden-film-Zero-Dark-Thirty-released.html

The Muslims should really be PISSSED when this flick hits…..

redguy on September 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

canopfor on September 17, 2012 at 9:09 AM

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Alright, that’ll be just about enough time (and bandwidth) wasting out of you.

listens2glenn
on September 17, 2012 at 9:35 AM
.

Thats it,I will FLOGG myself,for band-width Sins,haha,ahem!
(sarc).

canopfor on September 17, 2012 at 9:52 AM

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I wonder if we could get a directive from the Vatican, on that.

They could conjure some kind of “penance” for that kind of sin.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Trailer for controversial Osama bin Laden film ‘Zero Dark Thirty’ released

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9460170/Trailer-for-controversial-Osama-bin-Laden-film-Zero-Dark-Thirty-released.html

The Muslims should really be PISSSED when this flick hits…..

Oh yeah – OBAMA KILLED OSAMA!!!!

redguy on September 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM

If they want to act like it is the Middle Ages then I say let’s show them some Modern Age response capabilities.

D-fusit on September 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

i am kool with that!

nathor on September 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM

In the Middle East, the US has a choice: play hardball with Military threats / strikes and allow radical extremists/terrorists to have their ways by convincing peaceful Muslims that America want to destroy them all…or keep pushing for democracy by helping the fragile moderate governments like the one in Libya. Radical extremists will use any excuse (like the film) or anything to cause unrests around the region because they don’t want peace or stability. They hate America and the West and are in a long holly war…They want the US to keep playing hardball with bombs to help them recruit.
Most Muslims are poor and the only thing they have is their faith. Every Muslim feels in some ways deeply troubled by any insults to the Prophet Muhammad and very vulnerable to manipulation… But the chaos is political: It’s the uncompromising ethos of extremism clawing for any gains against more moderate voices. Extremists don’t want change because it will lead to moderate voices within Islam and the US should not help them by hardline policies regardless of who is President..

jules on September 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM

The party lie, er line, continues.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 8:49 AM

I’ve lived in a muzzie neighborhood before-and too a point…I living in one now. Because some butthurt muzzies are prone to brutality…and that brutality would likely be directed at your family as WELL as you…well that fact changes how you act. you start limiting your freedoms of speech and of association…
You start watching what you say, watching how you act-lest it cause problems. I walk everywhere-because of that I have to be very careful, lest I attract the wrong attention. There a Mennonites here too-yet I feel no need to be cautious around them.
There’s a reason for that.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

In 1999, a Muslim “court” in England issued a fatway against playwright Terrence McNalley for his vile play “Corpus Christi.” In addition to playing to their own audience, the Muslims seemed to believe that Christians would join them in wanting McNalley to die.

They just don’t get it.

Although very few Christians admire the play, our God has taught us to pray for people to repent and receive Christ as their Savior, so that they may be forgiven as we have been forgiven.

We want his ultimate good — reconciliation with God — not his murder.

They just don’t get it.

KyMouse on September 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

I meant “fatwah” in the post above, of course.

KyMouse on September 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

You start watching what you say, watching how you act-lest it cause problems. I walk everywhere-because of that I have to be very careful, lest I attract the wrong attention. There a Mennonites here too-yet I feel no need to be cautious around them.

There’s a reason for that.annoyinglittletwerp on September 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Maybe it’s because you don’t call them Mennies. Your bigotry runs deep.

We were not attacked on 9/11 because “they [whoever "they" is] want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world.”

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

In the Middle East, the US has a choice: play hardball with Military threats / strikes and allow radical extremists/terrorists to have their ways by convincing peaceful Muslims that America want to destroy them all…or keep pushing for democracy by helping the fragile moderate governments like the one in Libya.

jules on September 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Another false choice.

We have the choice to leave and to mind our own business. That would be the smart and moral choice.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

canopfor on September 17, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Don’t you mean CANE yourself…….

D-fusit on September 17, 2012 at 9:55 AM

D-fusit:

Could by,I thank my Maple Leaf,I don`t live in Indonesia,
er caning country!!

canopfor on September 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

We were not attacked on 9/11 because “they [whoever "they" is] want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world.”

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Whatever you say.

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 10:12 AM

canopfor on September 17, 2012 at 9:52 AM

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I wonder if we could get a directive from the Vatican, on that.

They could conjure some kind of “penance” for that kind of sin.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

listens2glenn:Lol,good one:)

canopfor on September 17, 2012 at 10:15 AM

We were not attacked on 9/11 because “they [whoever "they" is] want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world.”

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

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Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: I’M VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY!

You: WELL, YOU’RE STUPID; YOU SHOULD BE VOTING FOR RON PAUL!
.
(repeat until the end of time . . . . . . . . )

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

i was reading this:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02595a.htm
and it said:

The United States once had many penal statutes against blasphemy, which were declared constitutional as not subversive of the freedom of speech or liberty of the press (Am. and Eng. Ency. of Law, Vol. IV, 582).

really?!?
i read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_States
that the last american to be punished by blasphemy was in 1928

finally is was only in 1958 that the supreme declared incostitutional blasphemy:

The US Supreme Court in Joseph Burstyn, Inc v. Wilson, 343 U.S. 495 (1952) held that the New York State blasphemy law was an unconstitutional prior restraint on freedom of speech. The court stated that “It is not the business of government in our nation to suppress real or imagined attacks upon a particular religious doctrine, whether they appear in publications, speeches or motion pictures.

eh! repeat it Obama!

It is not the business of government in our nation to suppress real or imagined attacks upon a particular religious doctrine, whether they appear in publications, speeches or motion pictures.

nathor on September 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Shifting from “Bush’s fault” to “It’s the videos fault”…

right2bright on September 17, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Shifting from “Bush’s fault” to “It’s the videos fault”…

right2bright on September 17, 2012 at 10:21 AM

supreme court:

It is not the business of government in our nation to suppress real or imagined attacks upon a particular religious doctrine, whether they appear in publications, speeches or motion pictures.

Obama should be impeached if does he does not defend the constitution!

nathor on September 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Update:

Indonesians clash with police outside US Embassy
— Sep. 17 10:10 AM EDT
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Protesters burned a picture of President Barack Obama,
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who spent part of his childhood living here.
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They also tried to torch a fire engine parked outside the embassy, ripping a hose from the vehicle and igniting it, which sent plumes of black smoke billowing skyward.(More…..)
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/more-protests-indonesia-over-anti-muslim-film

canopfor on September 17, 2012 at 10:26 AM

We were not attacked on 9/11 because “they [whoever "they" is] want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world.”

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

We were attacked because Islam hates OUR WAY OF LIFE!!

annoyinglittletwerp on September 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM

That which gets rewarded gets done. If the other side did’t think it was worth it, they wouldn’t do it. So, the question is:
What are we doing that contributes to their reward?

DublOh7 on September 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Good old Times, still going with the movie caused it bit. Yeah, all those movies over 1400 years have caused islamic aggression. The shame is the cow like acceptance and spread of this drivel.
Islam doesn’t need reasons to kill.

arand on September 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

So what’s the narrative here? Whats the answer?

I dont get it.

Are we saying that Moslems all across the world WON’T get offended anymore if we have a Republican President?

Are we saying that a Republican President will just wipe these countries off the map and kill every Moslem in the world?

“The message from Karachi, Iran, and the burning embassies in Arab nations is that radical Islamists reject freedom of speech and religious expression entirely. They want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world, just like they did in 1988 when Rushdie’s novel was published, just like they did on 9/11, and just like they always have. Pretty speeches in Cairo won’t change that, and sending out messages condemning the “denigration” of religious belief as an “abuse” of free speech won’t change it, either. In fact, it just encourages more of this response in the long run.

So what will change it? A world wide holy war?

Politricks on September 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

So what’s the narrative here? Whats the answer?

I dont get it.

Are we saying that Moslems all across the world WON’T get offended anymore if we have a Republican President?

Are we saying that a Republican President will just wipe these countries off the map and kill every Moslem in the world?

That’s a good question to ask Mitt Romney and the neon con behind his campaign. Is the solution to just erase Muslim countries from the map or invade them all? There is NO WAY to control radical extremists and they will keep planning attacks on any moderate government in the region and US / Western interests. They will use any anti-Islamic movie, rhetoric or act t inflames people sentiments into protests. Working with the moderate governments around the region to make them stronger is the long term solution…Not playing political hardball.

jules on September 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

So what will change it? A world wide holy war?

Politricks on September 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

muslim extremists are already fighting an world wide holy war. however, the battle is more ideological than physical.
our best weapon is freedom of speech, so we cannot lose it!

nathor on September 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

D-fusit on September 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Amen – I say we find the head of this wealthy Islamophile and intorduce him to the virgins.

Politricks, the issue is targeted response – not all out war. Cut off the head of the serpent. When a UK sharia court imposes a fatwa we should just find the members of the fatwa court and make them disappear. Do this always, everywhere. Create a covert war where it becomes obvious to the militant supporters of Islam that if you act like a 12th century zealot, you will meet an appropriate fate.

Zomcon JEM on September 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Protester dies after inhaling fumes from Chinese-Made American flag.

Irony

southsideironworks on September 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Protester dies after inhaling fumes from Chinese-Made American flag.

Irony

southsideironworks on September 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

I’ve had this fiendish idea before to make up a few thousand American flags made of nitrocellulose and send them to the ME.

slickwillie2001 on September 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

BTW, if you speak to anybody who understands military strategy, (not me) you will find that most of this administration’s acts could have saved large numbers of Muslim lives, NOT American or Jewish lives. This is despite the way those drones are despised.

If the drones were not getting the little darlings, they might cause mischief elsewhere and the retaliation demanded would be terrible.

IlikedAUH2O on September 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM

If they want to act like it is the Middle Ages then I say let’s show them some Modern Age response capabilities.

D-fusit on September 17, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Perhaps a “medieval” response to the savages might be more in order.

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

There’s only one solution for those who are “perpetually offended”.

GarandFan on September 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Perhaps a “medieval” response to the savages might be more in order.

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

whatever the answer, we should be careful not to lose ourselfs in the struggle.

nathor on September 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Extremists don’t want change because it will lead to moderate voices within Islam and the US should not help them by hardline policies regardless of who is President..

jules on September 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM

You don’t pacify a rabid animal by petting it.

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Plus, the 7th century savages in another action, with Obama’s help.

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM

The muzzie brotherhood in Egypt, yes the newly democratically elected friends of Obama, said yesterday that all in Egypt who’re not muzzies, and don’t pay the yearly fee, should get out.

Israel just stopped the ElAl flights to Egypt.

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Maybe it’s because you don’t call them Mennies. Your bigotry runs deep.

We were not attacked on 9/11 because “they [whoever "they" is] want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world.”

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Your cowardice runs deep.

No need for YOU to worry about anyone imposing dhimmitude on you. You already are a dhimmi. Just keep bending over, slave.

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Two-faced Barack Hussein Obama thumbs his nose at Catholic doctrine but says be sensitive to Muslim doctrine yet claims to be Christian.

aknews on September 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

You seem to be suggesting an inconsistency in the Resident’s behavior. There is none. In one case, he ignores American’s First Amendment freedom of religious expression and practice. In the other, he denigrates American’s First Amendment freedom of speech and expression.

He tells Catholics not to be offended, and tells the rest of us not to offend Islam, yet he claims to be an American. Wherever he was born, he is not an American.

Freelancer on September 17, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Working with the moderate governments around the region to make them stronger is the long term solution…Not playing political hardball.

jules on September 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Life must be rough for a delicate flower such as you.

The ONLY thing that the 7thCentury savages understand is strength and power.
Dealing harshly with the radicals will teach them their proper place in the world.
As long as they fear us and respect our power…who cares if they love us?

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM

What is this “spontaneous protest” about? Did they start showing reruns of Will & Grace on Paki TV?

farsighted on September 17, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Are you claiming that Mennonites would turn violent if they were called Mennies?

blink on September 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Exactly. Mennonites are live and let live types….unlike muzzies.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

If instabiiity is the constant then what is your criticism of Obama foreign policy?

libfreeordie on September 17, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Quite right, liveasaslaveanddie. How can we criticize something that doesn’t exist?

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I guess Eric Holder’s Injustice Department now has EVEN MORE murders that they are going to pin on that guy who made the film!

Mahdi on September 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Perhaps a “medieval” response to the savages might be more in order.

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

whatever the answer, we should be careful not to lose ourselves in the struggle.

nathor on September 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM

.
What struggle?!

We’re closer to “losing ourselves” due to the ABSENCE of a “struggle”.

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Sorry, Rushdie, but this new guy has you beat hands-down for #1 persecuted artist. You’re still milking your fatwa for SV how many decades later? But thanks for chyming in anyways.

Christien on September 17, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Per Fox News: The organizer of the Cairo protests has never seen the infamous movie…

d1carter on September 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I would’ve preferred a photo of our consulate, rather than Salman’s smug mug.

Christien on September 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM

One young man ran toward a police officer, who was firing warning shots in the air, and flung his arms open, daring the officer to shoot at his chest.

That was Islamic Rage Boy’s bro, Come At Me Mo!

Christien on September 17, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Just for the record, in case anyone doesn’t know, here’s what the Satanic Verses are:

One day early in Muhammad’s career, at a time when he was desperate to try to convince the people of Mecca that he was having conversations with God, but few were buying it, as he was talking to a small group of his followers, a group of polytheists approached.

They were fed up with his belligerant attitude, so they said: ‘Tell you what Muhammad, we’ll make you a deal. We’re willing to worship your one god, Allah, if you agree also to worship our polytheist gods, and we’ll trade one year on, one year off. We’ll worship your Allah one year, and the next you’ll worship our polytheist gods, and we’ll go back and forth.’ A truly bizarre suggestion.

But Muhammad was desperate, so he said: ‘Let me sleep on it.’

The next day, he went back out to the square and gathered everyone around, both his small group of followers, and the polytheists, and announced: ‘Last night I got a message from Allah. He said, YOU”VE GOT A DEAL.’ In other words, Muhammad went for this absurd one year on, one year off deal.

He realized almost immediately that he had made a mistake. Disappointed, his small number of followers started grumbling, ‘What? All this time he’s been telling us over and over that there is only one god, and now he’s going for this weird one year on, one year off deal? Pfft…’ And they dispersed.

The next day, Muhammad came out to the square again, and again gathered everyone around, both his now disillusioned followers and the polytheists.

Muhammad announced: ‘Last night, I got another message from Allah. He said that the message I told you about yesterday, which said “you’ve got a deal,” was actually not him at all, but rather the devil had gotten into my head and given me a false message. Allah has now told me the real message, which is NO DEAL. There is only one Allah.”

And then from there on, he tried to rebuild his tarnished rep with his followers. So the expression ‘the Satanic Verses’ refers to those verses – the supposedly false ones given to him by the devil. They are not included in the Koran today, but they are alluded to obliquely, and they are referred to explicitly in other Islamic texts.

They are a source of embarassment for Muslims, because to non-Muslims, it makes Muhammad look like exactly what he was – a con artist. And even to Muslims, from this they might reason, ‘Well, if the devil can get into his head once and give him false verses, who’s to say the whole Koran isn’t from the devil?’

So the rule in Islam becomes, just don’t talk about it. So in other words, all Salman Rushdie is guilty of is not blasphemy so much; it’s merely mentioning things that are in the Islamic texts. This kind of stupidity is what we have to look forward to as Muslims get more and more control.

WhatSlushfund on September 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I’ve had this fiendish idea before to make up a few thousand American flags made of nitrocellulose and send them to the ME.

slickwillie2001 on September 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Remember this “Priceless” gem?

Christien on September 17, 2012 at 1:03 PM

BREAKING NEWS:

LSU campus in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, currently being evacuated, due to threat to blow up campus buildings.

All students, faculty and staff being told to leave campus immediately.

cane_loader on September 17, 2012 at 1:17 PM

We have the choice to leave and to mind our own business. That would be the smart and moral choice.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Yeah, cause once we finally move everyone out of their land, and completely cut off Israel, cause f- those guys, THEN, they’ll finally stop trying to kill us and will stop getting upset when we utilize our freedom to speak as we will.

Esthier on September 17, 2012 at 1:21 PM

When the book got published, radical Islamists regular Muslims started riots around the world, which sounds rather familiar this month.

VorDaj on September 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM

They are a source of embarassment for Muslims, because to non-Muslims, it makes Muhammad look like exactly what he was – a con artist. And even to Muslims, from this they might reason, ‘Well, if the devil can get into his head once and give him false verses, who’s to say the whole Koran isn’t from the devil?’

WhatSlushfund on September 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I’ve always thought it interesting that the Koran has very little in the way of prophecy. About one-fourth of the Bible (OT and NT) is prophecy, and it includes amazing prophecies such as the role of Cyrus in God’s plan (revealed at the end of Isaiah chapter 44 and the beginning of chapter 45) — about 150 years before Cyrus was even born.

Prophecy after prophecy foretold in the Bible has come true, which is one proof of its divine origin. Since the Koran is not from God, it is unable to contain such prophecies.

KyMouse on September 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM

KyMouse on September 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Yep. About the only thing Muhammad ever prophesied is that he would kill a lot of people, and then he made his prophesy come true.

WhatSlushfund on September 17, 2012 at 2:04 PM

The message from Karachi, Iran, and the burning embassies in Arab nations is that radical Islamists reject freedom of speech and religious expression entirely.

When there are so many people rioting right now because of our freedom of speech, are those people all that radical at all? or are they the mainstream in Islam? i clearly think it’s the latter..

as the Turkey Prime Minister said about Islam

‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

sadsushi on September 17, 2012 at 2:53 PM

We were attacked because Islam hates OUR WAY OF LIFE!!

annoyinglittletwerp on September 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM

LOL. You really believe the War Party’s propaganda?

No.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Yeah, cause once we finally move everyone out of their land, and completely cut off Israel, cause f- those guys, THEN, they’ll finally stop trying to kill us and will stop getting upset when we utilize our freedom to speak as we will.

Esthier on September 17, 2012 at 1:21 PM

You have no idea what you just said. Do you think being in their land has anything to do with their hostiilty? Nah. It’s gotta be something dumb enough for the masses to swallow… something like “it’s because of a film,” or, “they hate us because we’re free/hate our way of life.”

But look at you coming down in favor of wealth redistribution. You just want to seize your fellow citizens’ money and hand it over to a foreign government. How conservative and moral of you.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 3:02 PM

It’s gotta be something dumb enough for the masses to swallow… something like “it’s because of a film,”

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Yeah, because they never did this over Fitna, or the Danish cartoons, or the Satanic Verses(are you even intelligent enough to know who the picture in the post is?), or a Koran getting wet, or any of the other cultural works they’ve rioted over.

Your willful ignorance of facts is sickening.

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 3:46 PM

LOL. You really believe the War Party’s propaganda?

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 2:57 PM

These guys must be paid American operatives, hmmm?

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 3:47 PM

LOL. You really believe the War Party’s propaganda?

No.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I’ll bet it’s pretty hard for you to walk around with your head that far up your ass, isn’t it?
Is sitting difficult?

Solaratov on September 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I want televised congressional hearings about the embassy security failures.

Philly on September 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM

The ONLY thing that the 7thCentury savages understand is strength and power.
Dealing harshly with the radicals will teach them their proper place in the world.
As long as they fear us and respect our power…who cares if they love us?

Fearing us does not prevent them from attacking us. In fact, they LOVE war since it helps them recruit… Innocent civilians are always killed whenever we drop a bomb to kill terrorists causing their family to join the fight. That’s a vicious circle that will never stop unless the peaceful muslim (the majority of muslims) get rid of these extremists with the US help.

pre 9/11, 9/11 and the many threats and attacks post 9/11 has shown us that strenght an dpower teaches these radical NOTHING…If anything, it makes the more popular…

jules on September 17, 2012 at 3:54 PM

These guys must be paid American operatives, hmmm?

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 3:47 PM

No matter what those signs say, we were not attacked on 9/11 because “they want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world.” We were attacked due to our interventionism. It’s strange … where are all of these attacks on the U.S. prior to our Middle East interventionism? They don’t exist.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Yes, I’m sure I could provide more and more images of crowds of Muslims with similar “Islam will dominate the world” signs, and you would continue to claim that they have no intention of imposing their religion on the rest of the world.

I could probably also talk about the Islamic caliphate stretching to the Atlantic that existed for centuries, but that would be too far back in history for you. Similarly with our conflict with the Barbary states, whose stated reasons for attacking merchant ships was that we did not adhere to their religion.

Those facts are always too inconvenient. Nope, it was all…Iran. Actually before that it was Israel. Actually before that it was WW1. Actually…

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Yes, I’m sure I could provide more and more images of crowds of Muslims with similar “Islam will dominate the world” signs, and you would continue to claim that they have no intention of imposing their religion on the rest of the world.

I could probably also talk about the Islamic caliphate stretching to the Atlantic that existed for centuries, but that would be too far back in history for you. Similarly with our conflict with the Barbary states, whose stated reasons for attacking merchant ships was that we did not adhere to their religion.

Those facts are always too inconvenient. Nope, it was all…Iran. Actually before that it was Israel. Actually before that it was WW1. Actually…

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM

You’re desperately trying to change the subject away from 9/11 and the motivation for the attack just because you can find a picture of people holding up some signs – people who had nothing to do with 9/11. We aren’t talking about those people and their signs; the claim was made that we were attacked on 9/11 because “They want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world’. That claim is completely false.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

You’re desperately trying to change the subject away from 9/11 and the motivation for the attack just because you can find a picture of people holding up some signs – people who had nothing to do with 9/11. We aren’t talking about those people and their signs; the claim was made that we were attacked on 9/11 because “They want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world’. That claim is completely false.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

You are desperately trying to do exactly what you’re accusing me of. You’re the one dismissing the motivation for 9/11 being the desire of Islamic militants to force the world to adhere to their beliefs, and I’m pointing out to you evidence, both recent and historical, that demonstrates that very imperialistic urge. Instead of acknowledging any of it, you ignore it, because you have no worthwhile counter-argument.

You are nothing but a paleocon parrot. You won’t even begin to consider the stated reasons for attacks on the US. You know what you think is right, and you feel you don’t have to defend it. You just imagine that if you beat it into the wall long enough, it’ll stick.

Think again.

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 4:25 PM

“They want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world’. That claim is completely false.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Oh, and by the way?

You’re a f**king imbecile.

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Dante is not worth the time – he refuses to believe what the Islamists themselves say. I am only showing a willingness to take their statements seriously.

Zomcon JEM on September 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Oh, and by the way?

You’re a f**king imbecile.

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Darken his beard and Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah looks an awful like that heavy-set guy from the movie ‘The Hangover’

socalcon on September 17, 2012 at 5:10 PM

The movie had NOTHING to do with the attacks on the American Embassy in Cairo and the American Consulate in Benghazi.

Hey, Alice, What Does A Timeline Look Like At The Bottom Of A Rabbithole?

M2RB: Jefferson Airplane

Besides…

In The Muslim World, Religious Tolerance Is A One-Way Street

M2RB: Kalai

So, frankly, I don’t care about their “sensibilities.” Their hypocrisy is too much of a barrier.

I do, however, want to make it clear that I’m not applauding Nakoula Basseley Nakoula’s film. It is amateurish and probably vile, but there are two important points that we need to keep in mind:

1. Obviously, free speech trumps feelings. Period. Story. End of.

2. Nakoula is an Egyptian Coptic Christian. The Morsi government has been persecuting Copts and the Salafists have been slaughtering them. Islamists in the Middle East, the Obama administration, the media, and Useful Infidels here and abroad have been screaming about the need for “religious tolerance” for the last week, but read what Morsi said about those belonging to Mr Nakoula’s faith:

“[Coptic Christians] need to know that conquest in coming, and Egypt will be Islamic, and thay they must pay the jizya or emigrate.”

- Mohammed Morsi, President of Egypt, 27 May 2012

It is enormously hypocritical of Morsi and the MB in Egypt to raise the issue and it is stunningly ignorant of the Useful Infidels here to speak as though Muslims are the only people being “offended” or persecuted. Further, the idiots like Mike Barnicle, Bill Press and others calling for Nakoula’s criminal prosecution should learn the story of Robert Goldstein.

Resist We Much on September 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM

“We’re the ones who will change you. Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children. Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours.”

- Norwegian Imam Mullah Krekar, Dagbladet, 2006

“If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats (sexual predators) come and eat (rape her) it..whose fault is it – the cats or the uncovered meat?

The uncovered meat (liberated, unaccompanied, Western-dressed woman) is the problem.

If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab (veil), no problem would have occurred.”

- Sheikh Taj Din al-Hilali, Australia’s Grand Mufti, 26 October 2006

Resist We Much on September 17, 2012 at 5:35 PM

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM

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You’re desperately trying to change the subject away from 9/11 and the motivation for the attack just because you can find a picture of people holding up some signs – people who had nothing to do with 9/11. We aren’t talking about those people and their signs; the claim was made that we were attacked on 9/11 because “They want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world’. That claim is completely false.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

.
For the SECOND time . . . . . :

We were not attacked on 9/11 because “they [whoever "they" is] want to impose dhimmitude on the rest of the world.”

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

.
Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: YES WE WERE!

You: NO WE WEREN’T!

Me: I’M VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY!

You: WELL, YOU’RE STUPID; YOU SHOULD BE VOTING FOR RON PAUL!
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(repeat until the end of time . . . . . . . . )

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

listens2glenn on September 17, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Hey Dante! Look! More Muslims not wanting to dominate the world with their beliefs!

Can you tell me again how Islamic leaders wanting global laws protecting Islam from all criticism is a result of US policy?

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Can you tell me again how Islamic leaders wanting global laws protecting Islam from all criticism is a result of US policy?

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 6:27 PM

More intellectual dishonesty. More straw men.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM

More intellectual dishonesty. More straw men.

Dante on September 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM

More dodging from a coward that won’t deviate from talking points.

MadisonConservative on September 17, 2012 at 9:24 PM

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