Rice: Benghazi attack was spontaneous; Libya: No, it wasn’t

posted at 12:01 pm on September 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

There seems to be lingering confusion about the nature of the attack on the Benghazi consulate that cost four Americans their lives, including the first US Ambassador killed in the line of duty since 1979, J. Christopher Stevens.  UN Ambassador Susan Rice insisted on Fox News Sunday that the attack on the consulate on the 11th anniversary of 9/11 was a spontaneous demonstration that just “spun out of control.”  Rice also doubled down on the administration’s claim that the violence is all about the video:

WALLACE:  This week, there have been anti-American protests in two dozen countries across the Islamic world.Tthe White House says it has nothing to do with the president’s policies. Let’s watch.

JAY CARNEY:  This is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at U.S. policy. This is in response to a video that is offensive.

WALLACE: You don’t really believe that?

AMB. RICE: Chris, absolutely I believe that. Because, in fact, it is the case. We had the evolution of the Arab Spring over the last many months but what sparked the recent violence was the airing on the Internet of a very hateful very offensive video that has offended many people around the world. Now, our strong view is that there is no excuse for violence. It is reprehensible and never justified. But in fact there have been those in various parts of the world who have reacted with violence. Their governments have increasingly and effectively responded and protected our facilities and condemned the violence and this outrageous response to what is an offensive video. But there is no question what we have seen in the past with things like Satanic Verses and cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad there have been such things that have sparked outrage and anger and this has been the proximate cause.

WALLACE: It may have sparked it but you critics say that the outpouring of outrage against the U.S. has everything to do with the U.S. policies. That we are disengaging from that part of the world that we pulled out of Iraq, we are are pulling out of Afghanistan, that Iran is continuing on with its nuclear program and they say our critics is that our allies no longer trust us and our enemies no longer fear us.

AMB. RICE:  Well, Chris, that is just false. Le’s be plain. Our partners and allies value voters responded effectively and promptly when we have asked them to protect our facilities and our people.

National Journal picks up on Rice’s flat-out insistence later in the interview with Chris Wallace that the Benghazi attack had no element of premeditation or planning:

Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, maintained on Sunday that the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was not planned by terrorist groups. She said the attack spun out of protests, which were sparked by an anti-Islamic video produced in the U.S.

“This was not a pre-planned, pre-meditated attack,” she said on Fox News Sunday. “What happened initially was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent. People with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons—which, unfortunately, are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya—and that then spun out of control.”

Rice told Jake Tapper on ABC’s This Week that the US response was not impotent, and again insisted that the attacks were spontaneous:

“We’re not impotent,were not even less popular to challenge that assessment” said Rice. ” What happened this week in Cairo, in Benghazi and many other parts of the region was a result, a direct result, of a heinous and offensive video that was widely disseminated, that the U.S. government had nothing to do with, which we have made clear is reprehensible and disgusting.” …

“Our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous – not a premeditated – response to what had transpired in Cairo,” Rice told me this morning on “This Week.” …

“We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to – or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo,” Rice said. “And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons… And it then evolved from there.”

That comes as news to the Libyan government, which has now arrested 50 people in connection to the murders and the attack on the consulate.  Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf told CBS’ Face the Nation that the attack was planned for months by people who had infiltrated Libya from other nations specifically for the attack:

About 50 arrests have been made in connection with the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi in which the American Ambassador and three other consulate employees were killed, and some of the suspects involved are from outside the country, Libya’s president told CBS News.

In an interview for “Face the Nation” Sunday, President Mohamed Magariaf also said that evidence “leaves us with no doubt” that the attack was pre-planned.

“It was planned, definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their arrival,” he told Bob Schieffer.

So who to believe?  Magariaf’s statement is more against his interests, at least on the surface.  He’d have some benefit from the argument that the consulate got sacked in a spontaneous eruption of anger, because it would let his security forces off the hook for missing the extensive plot that Magariaf now asserts was in place.  It could also be a ploy to crack down on radial Islamist networks in the eastern part of Libya, which otherwise might be difficult for the weak central government to undertake, but an admission of weakness in the first place might not be in Tripoli’s best interests.  Also, it’s possible that Magariaf might be right about the plot and wrong about the plotters, or at least not entirely forthcoming, if the Libyan security forces have been penetrated by the radicals, but that still means Rice’s explanation is entirely wrong.

Fortunately, Rep. Mike Rogers, who chairs the House Intelligence Committee,  points out a few facts that support Magariaf’s contention and refute Rice’s:

However, Rep. Mike Rogers, the House Intelligence Committee chairman, said the evidence pointed in the other direction, citing the style and coordination of the attack.

“I think it’s too early to make that conclusion,” Rogers said on the same show [as Rice]. “The way that the attack took place, I have serious questions. It seemed to be a military-style, coordinated. They had indirect fire coordinated with direct fire, rocket attacks. They were able to launch two different separate attacks on locations there near the consulate and they repelled a fairly significant Libyan force that came to rescue the embassy.”

The betrayal of the supposedly “safe house” also tends to support Magariaf’s assertion.  An angry mob wouldn’t have organized well enough for that kind of pursuit and intelligence, unless the Libyan security forces in the know simply and “spontaneously” decided to throw in with the mob, which is possible but pretty unlikely.  The coordination and purposeful strategy in play shows premeditation and planning, and that means it’s not just an angry mob that spontaneously “spun out of control.”

Maybe someone should ask the State Department to explain the difference in conclusions.  Oh, that’s right, that part of the US government has declared itself immune from public scrutiny.  Bummer.  Because if this attack wasn’t the “spontaneous” event that “spun out of control” that Rice insists it was, then State and the White House have a lot to answer for on their preparations and security decisions for the anniversary of 9/11 in a part of Libya well known to be haven to radical Islamist terror networks — including al-Qaeda.


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Western New England University Polling Institute (9/6-13)

Warren 50 , Brown 44 among likely voters.

545 registered voters has a 4.2 percent margin of error, while the sample of 444 likely voters has a 4.6 percent margin of error.
MA has a large edge for Dems, but party breakdown is

D 160 R 71 I 257

Brown leads Warren among likely independent voters, 57% to 35%. We shall see. Western New England University poll is a small polling outfit.

bayview on September 16, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Warren the communist is going to defeat Scott Brown.

mnjg on September 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Key West Reader, I so love it when you fight. NO one can do it better!

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 1:57 PM

I should make this my last comment to you because I’m finding it increasing difficult to exchange with you considering that every time you comment to me, it’s an uncalled for insult. I get enough of that from the trolls, let alone someone who considers himself a Conservative.

You name-call and drop innuendos about people’s intelligence left and right in your exchanges and have the temerity to be insulted because I asked you a question about your dislike for police? Regardless of your opinion of your statutorily virtue, your anecdote over your ticket and vehicle impounding still leaves me confused as to how you get to, “about as anti-Police as you can get”.

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Warren the communist is going to defeat Scott Brown.

mnjg on September 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Way too soon to celebrate/dispair.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:11 PM

The way that the attack took place, I have serious questions. It seemed to be a military-style, coordinated. They had indirect fire coordinated with direct fire, rocket attacks. They were able to launch two different separate attacks on locations there near the consulate and they repelled a fairly significant Libyan force that came to rescue the embassy.

These three facts do not support Ms. Rice’s claims. A spontaneous mob attack cannot effectively control indirect fire, nor coordinate simultaneous operations, nor repel a significant force. This was a battalion sized mission with fire support. The ability to conduct simultaneous attacks in two different places is a characteristic of a well-led force; an attribute that the US military had to learn to execute well in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It requires ongoing intelligence gathering, synthesis and a well-prepared force. Ms. Rice, a mob cannot do these military type tasks–. It took the US military years in combat to be able to execute them.

A raid in Jordan in 2004 netted several operatives during simultaneous raids which effectively legitimized Jordanian anti-terror operations. The key characteristic that legitimized those operations were that the raids were a) effective and b)simultaneous and subsequent raids built upon successes of the first ones—exploiting intelligence gleaned upon one target to raid the next. This is a mark of a unit that can hit a target, communicate, then maneuver effectively to the follow on target. That is no small potatoes and it is certainly NOT a trait of a spontaneous mob that wants to break and burn things.
2c

ted c on September 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Now I’m not a “Real Conservative” because I get offended at having my Constitutional Rights violated. Because I get offended when people suggest that I somehow deserved to be abused and have my constitutional rights violated. Somehow I am not a “Real Conservative” when I don’t bend over and kiss Law Enforcement Officers asses and TRUST the Government to always be honest, and do the right thing.

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

You’re reading much into this conversation that does not exist.

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM

FOUND! The Mormon Mafia

I believe it! Dangerous dangers abound.

Amish Assassins!

OMG, the Cartoon Cartel! Rum for your lives!

No need to worry, though cuz Obama is Teh Awesome.

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Here’s what’s going to happen. The meme is that poor Obama was dealt a terrible hand re the economy. He’s done his best.
Same thing will happen with this. Poor Obama is doing his best. He cannot be blamed for the world being on fire.

He’s trying soooo hard.

Wait for it.

bluealice on September 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Hah… you’re such a joker.

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Just who do you think you are? An American?

/

platypus on September 16, 2012 at 2:08 PM

No kidding, clearly I am confused or something. Everybody bitches about our government slowly stripping us of our constitutional rights, but damned few seem willing to connect the dots and understand exactly who it is that do the physical act of stripping us of those right. Congress may write the laws (or the President may pass a EO) but take 5 whole minuets and think about who it is that actually enforces those constitutional right stripping laws on you.

It isn’t John Bonehead, or Barack Insane Obama. It seldom is DHS the FBI or any other Federal LEO (they don’t have the manpower). Who is it then?

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

But but I killed Obama with my bare hands
-Obummer

“Listen, listen Obama, we are all Osama,” shouted the protesters, in reference to Osama Bin Laden. They waved flags bearing Islamic slogans and burned an effigy of the U.S. president.

When you kill a terrorist you just create more . Right?

CW on September 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Where’s Romney?

The Resolute Desk on September 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Good question too. Yesterday Obama, Romney and Biden were off, all 3. I don’t give a rat’s azz about Obama/Biden. They be hidin’.

I said this before – the times are so dire and so important that Romney is not allowed to take not one hour off btw. now and Nov. 6. He can study for the debates on flights and bus rides. Anthing to the contrary is foolish, no matter who says it.

Anything short of such dedication is unseriousness.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Folks, we have nothing to worry about! These guys are fearless.

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Mommy Abedin

clnurnberg on September 16, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Wow. That is chilling.

So everyone in Huma’s family is involved in the Muslim Brotherhood – but her?

Where is the media?

batterup on September 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Where’s Romney?

The Resolute Desk on September 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Recruiting Petraeus

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM

This woman is either a political hack liar or an idiot. I do not believe she is an idiot.

JIMV on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

No way. I was dead serious. I love your spirit and style, no hostages taken, and read your comments on HA with great satisfaction.

I also send you strong hugs, Platonic kinds of course.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Western New England University Polling Institute (9/6-13)

Warren 50 , Brown 44 among likely voters.

545 registered voters has a 4.2 percent margin of error, while the sample of 444 likely voters has a 4.6 percent margin of error.
MA has a large edge for Dems, but party breakdown is

D 160 R 71 I 257

Brown leads Warren among likely independent voters, 57% to 35%. We shall see. Western New England University poll is a small polling outfit.

bayview on September 16, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Warren the communist is going to defeat Scott Brown.

mnjg on September 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Sorry I meant Warren the communist is NOT going to defeat Scott Brown.

mnjg on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Why not brazenly lie when the media will support it and call your enemies liars? No religious or moral concerns for the Democrats either since they are officially the party of atheism.

forest on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:08 PM

In a bathhouse with Reggie.

LegendHasIt on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Just who do you think you are? An American?

/

platypus on September 16, 2012 at 2:08 PM

No kidding, clearly I am confused or something. Everybody complains about our government slowly stripping us of our constitutional rights, but damned few seem willing to connect the dots and understand exactly who it is that do the physical act of stripping us of those right. Congress may write the laws (or the President may pass a EO) but take 5 whole minuets and think about who it is that actually enforces those constitutional right stripping laws on you.

It isn’t John Bonehead, or Barack Insane Obama. It seldom is DHS the FBI or any other Federal LEO (they don’t have the manpower). Who is it then?

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Way too soon to celebrate/dispair.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I meant to say Warren the communist is NOT going to defeat Scott Brown

mnjg on September 16, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I also send you strong hugs, Platonic kinds of course.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Back atcha :o)

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:20 PM

It isn’t John Bonehead, or Barack Insane Obama. It seldom is DHS the FBI or any other Federal LEO (they don’t have the manpower). Who is it then?

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

The joooos?
*just kidding

VegasRick on September 16, 2012 at 2:21 PM

You’re reading much into this conversation that does not exist.

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Really? So you didn’t just imply that I’m not a “Real Conservative”? You didn’t imply that I deserved to have my constitutional right violated and that I deserved to be abused by LEO”s and that my personal experience is somehow invalid because I now despise cops instead of loving them and profoundly wishing to live in a police state? Really?

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:22 PM

It isn’t John Bonehead, or Barack Insane Obama. It seldom is DHS the FBI or any other Federal LEO (they don’t have the manpower). Who is it then?

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

The Mormon Mafia Christine Maffews says so.

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Where’s Romney?

The Resolute Desk on September 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

He had to cancel an event today in CO because of a plane crash at the CO airport.

bluealice on September 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Come on, Walker… lighten up babe~!

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Speaking of the anti-Semitic women who surround Obama, where is Samantha “man-hands” Power? Power was the one who advocated for US military intervention in Libya.

batterup on September 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Holy Shiite!

Hat tip: Blue Alice

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Actually this has nothing to do with the Movie..It’s Bidens fault as he has been going around boasting about death to BL!

BigMike252 on September 16, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Pam Geller sponsored the International Freedom Defense Congress the same day that the Libyan attacks took place, it’s worth taking a look at her article at Atlas Shrugs.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/09/freedom-fighters-meet-on-911.html

Xavier on September 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Where is the media?

batterup on September 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Ginning up hatred for islamophobes who think she needs to go

clnurnberg on September 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Susan Rice could explain how 9/11 was “a spontaneous mob attack”, followed by the spontaneous flight instructions, and the liberal media would repeat this as the gospel according to Obama. (and remember, fire can’t melt steel) The narrative is now set. And no one in the Obama administration is responsible for the mayhem in the middle east.

Rovin on September 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM

It isn’t John Bonehead, or Barack Insane Obama. It seldom is DHS the FBI or any other Federal LEO (they don’t have the manpower). Who is it then?

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

The joooos?
*just kidding

VegasRick on September 16, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Obama, Clinton and Rice are the head of a rotting fish. History recorded in Nuremberg that the Tribunal declared unequivocally that the defense “I was just following orders” was no valid defense. Trust me, it is being used right now here in America. It still is not a valid justifiable defense.

The Gestapo was not breaking any German law with the things they did, they were in fact following the laws as written.

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Speaking of the anti-Semitic women who surround Obama, where is Samantha “man-hands” Power? Power was the one who advocated for US military intervention in Libya.

batterup on September 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Man Hands

Thanks for the laugh….!

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:29 PM

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:22 PM

I can’t help how you took my comments or made inference to my questions. I’m not dwelling on you calling me a “dickwad”. Or you asking questions as if you’re commenting to me slowly or spelling words to me with dashes every other letter. I mean really, even if I intended what you’re inferring, you’ve said worse.

I am really just curious as to what it means to be “about as anti-Police as you can get”. Can you just answer that without being sarcastic or demeaning?

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 2:30 PM

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Come on, Walker… lighten up babe~!

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Sorry, yes I should.

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Sorry I meant Warren the communist is NOT going to defeat Scott Brown.

mnjg on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Much better! That’s the spirit. :)

Solaratov on September 16, 2012 at 2:32 PM

The Gestapo was not breaking any German law with the things they did, they were in fact following the laws as written.

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM

I do not disagree with you on your point that there are a lot of overzealous LEO’s (look at the police shootings in Vegas sometime) but not all are bad.

VegasRick on September 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM

SWalker and hawkdriver…
I see a “beer summit” coming up!
*ducks*

ChicagoBlues on September 16, 2012 at 2:39 PM

SWalker and hawkdriver…
I see a “beer summit” coming up!
*ducks*

ChicagoBlues on September 16, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Not sure I see anything in my behavior that a beer summit would be necessary to correct.

Unless of course it were necessary for me to exchange rudely with people or try to get me to paint all police officers with a broad brush and compare them to the Gestapo

*doesn’t duck*

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Just a late hit and run comment:

Susan Rice is an unmitigated lying, prevaricating, dirty liar. Just like the administration she represents. Anybody with half a brain or more cannot stomach their dirty lying. But, these people are counting on all the Kardashian lovers out there to rename them “American Idols”. I fear deeply for my country, and for the world.

NOMOBO on September 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Susan Rice, UN ambassador, doing an absolutely outstanding Kevin Bacon. Animal House.
Hey Susan, uhm yeah, great. Uhwe were really looking for someone to do an Al Pacino. Scarface. Oh but when we’re ready to bow and be beheaded? We’ll call you. Leave your number and self respect with the receptionist.

onomo on September 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM

NOMOBO on September 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM

What he said. Although at this point could Kim Kardashian really do much worse?
Like the hand too.

onomo on September 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM

I am really just curious as to what it means to be “about as anti-Police as you can get”. Can you just answer that without being sarcastic or demeaning?

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 2:30 PM

OK, without sarcasm, snark or insult.

Do you think that your constitutional rights should be suspended or ignored because a law enforcement officer is questioning you.

Do you think you should not be offended when you discover that as a citizen you have zero recourse against such violations?

Do you think that only the guilty attempt to exercise their Constitutional rights?

Do you think that a citizen should be able to exercise their constitutional rights without suffering persecution by the police afterwards?

I was arrested on false probable cause charges because I told a police officer that if he wanted to search my car he had to get a warrent, physically forced to submit to having blood drawn and told to damned bad when all of the charges turned out to be false and had to be dismissed.

The cop responsible for this incident and several of his cop buddies followed me around for almost 5 years afterwards pulling me over ever time they saw me. Harassing me at every turn, pulling over the vehicles of my friends and family for the sole reason that I was in the car, even going so far as to show up at my place of employment and harass my employer.

This made me “Wake up” and look around me, and what I found was that what happened to me was far more common than most people believe.

I discovered to my shock and horror that an insane percentage of the populace automatically assume that the police never lie and never break the law.

So yes, I am about as anti-police as you can get, it was beaten into me the old fashioned way, by the police themselves. And all of this in the 6th largest City in America and the 2nd largest City in California.

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Handle. Like the handle too.

onomo on September 16, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Criminal State Dept. activity.

The fish rot from the heads.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:53 PM

i guess i don’t understand the strategy with the leftists. I should think that it would be better for the administration if it were to be a planned raid. A mob is a man-in-the-street kind of thing and uncontrollable and conveys the idea that Lybia is not yet a stable country, which relfects badly on barry

whereas the planned raid is simply a garden variety al queda thing that we know exists…oh, wait, some lefto-journolister was trying to tell me the other day that al queda was dead because of the Won…oops. And, then, wait…if it was al queda, well then maybe it was because of the Drones and barry’s kill list.

hmmmm…so this is blowback from barry’s drone ops…i’ll trade you 4 of your for al-Libi

so to protect barry they have to make libya look like an inferno….lefties are soooooo bright

r keller on September 16, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Hawk, dude…..two words: free beer. Not to mention a chance at free shots at SW. Did I mention FREE BEER?

Renee on September 16, 2012 at 2:55 PM

watching dinesh d’souza’s 2016 this afternoon, and there i see good old “unbiased” jake tapper commenting on the book by saying its “unscholarly”.

i’m sending him a set of embroidered knee pads.

renalin on September 16, 2012 at 2:55 PM

So state won’t comment because the FBI is looking into it, Libya won’t let FBI in to investigate, so PRESTO! like magic the facts will be whatever the media hacks and regime flunkies say it is. Next issue.

exceller on September 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Obama and Hillary s/b prosecuted.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Seven Weeks

in which the obvious fact that United States foreign policy under Obama has facilitated the rise of militant radical Islam in the Middle East has to be kept hidden from the people. It’s gonna be tough but that’s why we have tough women like Rice and Hillary to lie for us.

Forward.

spiritof61 on September 16, 2012 at 3:00 PM

renalin on September 16, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Such a fraud that Tapper, I have no idea why this site seems to trust him

clnurnberg on September 16, 2012 at 3:10 PM

ericdijon on September 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM

LOL! I think you might be on to something.

Cindy Munford on September 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Obama and Hillary s/b prosecuted.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:59 PM

We have been unable to prosecute lower-level officials that do things like hand crates of unmarked rifles to drug cartels. :(

Nation of law means the weak are protected by the strong, since everyone enforces the law. Nation of men … is what we have. The strong do what they want with anyone weaker.

At least in this context.

We probably shouldn’t elect thugs.

Axe on September 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM

WOW, to think things would go south this quickly? To be honest, I thought it would a week before things got ugly. But 24 hours! Does POTUS understand how deep the crap he’s wading in. This is too big for even the MSM to protect him, because we are in a real National Security crisis.(What a mess.)

flackcatcher on September 16, 2012 at 3:24 PM

OK, without sarcasm, snark or insult.

Appreciated.

Do you think that your constitutional rights should be suspended or ignored because a law enforcement officer is questioning you.

Never said you should have to. Do you think every officer that wears a badge does this. Do you think even a majority does.

Do you think you should not be offended when you discover that as a citizen you have zero recourse against such violations?

I’m pretty sure you have great recourse when these events do occur. I do think that people who are easily offended would take great care to not offend others.

Do you think that only the guilty attempt to exercise their Constitutional rights?

Not even sure why you’d ask me that based on the exchange.

Do you think that a citizen should be able to exercise their constitutional rights without suffering persecution by the police afterwards?

Getting a sense of the theme here. None of what I asked previously inferred that I took any of our constitutional rights for granted or believed we were not entitled to them. That you ask me point by point as if that were the crux of my original point is again, confusing. Unless you didn’t understand the focus of my original question or are side-tracking addressing it. It is that you as an obvious Conservative commenter here can make a comment such as, “about as anti-Police as you can get” and then go on to compare them to Gestapo. Is that what you really intended and do you really feel that way. Because frankly, given the volume of the rest of your commentary on Hot Air, it would be surprising.

I was arrested on false probable cause charges because I told a police officer that if he wanted to search my car he had to get a warrent, physically forced to submit to having blood drawn and told to damned bad when all of the charges turned out to be false and had to be dismissed.

The cop responsible for this incident and several of his cop buddies followed me around for almost 5 years afterwards pulling me over ever time they saw me. Harassing me at every turn, pulling over the vehicles of my friends and family for the sole reason that I was in the car, even going so far as to show up at my place of employment and harass my employer.

This made me “Wake up” and look around me, and what I found was that what happened to me was far more common than most people believe.

I discovered to my shock and horror that an insane percentage of the populace automatically assume that the police never lie and never break the law.

So yes, I am about as anti-police as you can get, it was beaten into me the old fashioned way, by the police themselves. And all of this in the 6th largest City in America and the 2nd largest City in California.

SWalker on September 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM

I was treated, in my opinion, badly by an officer in between Dothan and Enterprise, AL once after a traffic stop. I have also been the beneficiary of protection by the police on numerous occasions to include a patrol car stopping my home from being burglarized. Many other times I could cite where they protected my family from harm and theft. We all observe them in public doing very hard jobs. At any rate, I do not hold all officers responsible for the behavior of the AL State Policeman and resign myself to the fact were I not going faster the the legal limit, I wouldn’t have been stopped in the first place. There are much more honest and brave police than there are the ones you describe in your story. If you return to my original question and a couple subsequent points, I’m not saying much more than that.

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 3:24 PM

It’s always someone else’s fault, the Muslims are alway innocent and when they kill one of their own it’s okay by the written word of the Koran. When they kill someone outside of their faith that’s also covered by the Koran, yet we have believers here in the USA that are ok with that. Maybe some magical force will come down from the heavens and put the world at peace, I’m sorry but we also have those that think that this will happen.

mixplix on September 16, 2012 at 3:34 PM

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Thanks for sharing that. Back in ’91 after I buried a child I got stopped in NOLA. I had a black Mazda 626 with tinted windows and a FL tag. So, being the idiot that I was I let them inspect my car. They opened the trunk, rifled through my belongings, checked my purse, my glove compartment, under my hood, under the seats, etc. I stood there on the side of the road alone. Thinking, WTF are they looking for?

They left me alone and said “don’t drive through Louisiana with a black car with tinted windows”..

Racists.

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Obama’s Song 2012

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 3:41 PM

“We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to – or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo,” Rice said.

Folks in Benghazi? Not protestors, militants or terrorists…just “folks”? How unserious is this administration? This administration’s foreign policy by tweets is going to start a war in the Middle East.

monalisa on September 16, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Suzanne Rice has become the new Baghdad Bob, and is entitled to exactly the same respect: none.

They so desperately want to blame someone else that it’s truly laughable

tom on September 16, 2012 at 3:48 PM

…They left me alone and said “don’t drive through Louisiana with a black car with tinted windows”..

Racists.

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 3:39 PM

You are very lucky that one of those cops didn’t have some drugs in his back pocket that he could have ‘found’ in your car.

slickwillie2001 on September 16, 2012 at 3:51 PM

She has to be telling bald faced lies, because nobody could be that stupid. For being the US Ambassador to the UN, she sounds more like she represents Egypt or Libya. Oh well, these liberals are never on our side.

savage24 on September 16, 2012 at 3:52 PM

monalisa on September 16, 2012 at 3:47 PM

“Folks” makes them sound like friends, like “normal” people, your neighbors or family. It’s very sneaky and Obama used this ploy a lot

clnurnberg on September 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM

So excerpts of the movie were uploaded in July of this year and the protests were on September 11th. Anyone who thinks this was not planned is either lying or gullible.

CW on September 16, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Let me get this straight. Because of the ongoing FBI investigation, the administration ‘can’t’ answer questions. But they can go on meet the press and speechify their propaganda line to try to bury this deadly fiasco in as positive a light as possible for the big O until after the election.

Have I got that right?

ProfessorMiao on September 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

A+

tom on September 16, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Romney needs to be out at 8:59 a.m. tomorrow with a pitch-perfect response to all of this, or frankly… it’s over. If he can be scared into silence by a hostile American media, he simply doesn’t have what it takes.

I have a feeling tomorrow is make-it-or-break-it for Romney’s campaign.

The Resolute Desk on September 16, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Oh, come on, they can be both!

CW on September 16, 2012 at 4:01 PM

clnurnberg on September 16, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

No way. I was dead serious. I love your spirit and style, no hostages taken, and read your comments on HA with great satisfaction.

I also send you strong hugs, Platonic kinds of course.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

…ditto!…(and you have to push me out of the way for the later…first)!

KOOLAID2 on September 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Rice also doubled down on the administration’s claim that the violence is all about the video

The REGIME wants you to believe that an obscure little online movie trailer was the cause of this. What a JOKE that is. Why were all the Egyptians and Libyans shouting ‘”There are Billions of OSAMAS- Obama”. Who CO-ORDINATED the attacks, who told them to chant OSAMA BIN LADENS name? Its the USURPER’s and the DUMBOCRATS constant football SPIKING mantra of ‘I KILLED OSAMA’ that has them riled up.

RasThavas on September 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM

SWalker on September 16, 2012

Bud!
Take
it
e a s y !
…what’s gotten into you today?

KOOLAID2 on September 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM

‘I KILLED OSAMA’ that has them riled up.

RasThavas on September 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM

They are all Osamas.

CW on September 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Libya’s Gaddafi was fighting AGAINST AL-QAEDA. US, France and NATO united with Al-Qaeda and other barbaric terrorists and waged war for many months to defeat Libya and Gaddafi and place excessively cruel Muslim terrorists into power.
The US/NATO war enabled and empowered the ANTI-Gaddafi Muslims to perpetrate horrific atrocities and genocide of blacks in Libya. Blacks were safe under Gaddafi. Obama, Clinton and our supposedly civilized Western leaders were silent about the atrocities and genocide. SILENCE IS CONSENT. US/NATO created hell on earth in Libya.
America is reaping the harvest of horrors they sowed in Libya. Gaddafi was hunted down by a US/NATO aircraft enabling his violent beating and savage sexual attack by ANTI-Gaddafi Muslims. A number of sites are reporting this is the exact same thing that was done to U.S. ambassador, Christoper Stevens. Stevens supported the jihadis who barbarically murdered him.
This is what happens when you COOPERATE with, and EMPOWER EVIL.
The West must stop empowering barbaric Muslims! The West must stop supporting global jihad!
The West must stop waging wars for totalitarian Islam!
Our world and civilization is being destroyed by Western leaders!
President, Dept of State and Dept of “Defense”.

RasThavas on September 16, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Romney needs to be out at 8:59 a.m. tomorrow with a pitch-perfect response to all of this, or frankly… it’s over. If he can be scared into silence by a hostile American media, he simply doesn’t have what it takes.

I have a feeling tomorrow is make-it-or-break-it for Romney’s campaign.

The Resolute Desk on September 16, 2012 at 4:07 PM

That is what it’s starting to look like. First, there are all these unwritten rules about what is allowed to be used against Obama in the campaign, then it is unpatriotic to say anything about all the events of last week. It is all meant to make Romney act just like McCain did, afraid to do or say anything that might offend Obama or the Obama media. He really does need to do something soon, or it will be too late. He needs to tie the State Dept. refusal to answer questions about this with the EP Obama claimed about Fast and Furious. This is a government which does not hold itself accountable to the American people. Someone needs to say it.

Night Owl on September 16, 2012 at 4:30 PM

There were no movies and there was no internet back when a real American President, and one with a brain and a clue, said this: “Muhammad declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion against all the rest of mankind.” -John Quincy Adams

This is an act of war for subjugation against God, Western Civilization, the Founding Fathers and all of true Humanity. I purpose Resolution Crusader 2/1: no American military forces will be in a Muslim nation unless they level at least one mosque per day per battalion at the minimum. Marines are expected to level at least two. If any Muslims kill any non-Muslims for “Insulting Islam”, not only will the “insulters” be held completely blameless, 100 Mosques will be leveled in the nation of each of the Muslim attacker’s birth. If the nation of their birth can not be determined, a Muslim nation will be selected by lot. It is further resolved that the birthday’s of Pope Urban II, Charles Martel and Ritter Johann von Österreich will be declared American National Holidays.

VorDaj on September 16, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Obama and Hillary s/b prosecuted.

Schadenfreude on September 16, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Along with the Joint Chiefs.

VorDaj on September 16, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Now let me see if I understand what Obamaphilic Leftists are saying…it’s perfectly okay for our Commander in Chief and military leaders to negligently expose our military men and women to known-in-advance jihadists like Major Nidal Hassan, to negligently expose our military men and women to known-in-advance jihadists in the Afghan military and police, to negligently expose our military men and women when future “raids” are broadcast in advance to village elders (as part of Obama’s tough stance in negotiations with Karzai), to negligently expose our military men and women to soon-to-be-released prisoners from the Bagram military prison we just handed over Monday to Karzai (as part of Obama’s tough stance in negotiations with Karzai), to negligently expose our military men and women to prisoners released from Guantanamo, all while suppressing their ability to vote……..but one peon pastor in Florida that asks his tiny congregation to watch a 13 minute video is THE GREATEST THREAT to our soldiers and must be shamed and intimidated and given a national guilt trip by the friggin Joint Chief of Staff whom, under orders from Obama, is responsible for ALL the negligent exposure of our troops to jihadists. Got it.

VorDaj on September 16, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Romney needs to be out at 8:59 a.m. tomorrow with a pitch-perfect response to all of this, or frankly… it’s over. If he can be scared into silence by a hostile American media, he simply doesn’t have what it takes.

I have a feeling tomorrow is make-it-or-break-it for Romney’s campaign.

The Resolute Desk on September 16, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Nonsense. He’s doing well in the swing states. it’s an obama trap to get out there and shoot his trap off (how’d that cairo comment go for mitt…dems made him the cause of the ME riots). The ME is gonna do its thing over the next few months. let obama and his minions twist in the wind.they are in charge. mitt can effect no immediate changes there.

gracie on September 16, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Romney needs to be out at 8:59 a.m. tomorrow with a pitch-perfect response to all of this, or frankly… it’s over. If he can be scared into silence by a hostile American media, he simply doesn’t have what it takes.

I have a feeling tomorrow is make-it-or-break-it for Romney’s campaign.

The Resolute Desk on September 16, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Tuesday is fine. Romney gives serious response and Obama goes on Letterman. Romney should also meet with Netanyhu this week, while Obama parties with Jay Z and Beyonce.

monalisa on September 16, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Key West Reader on September 16, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Thanks for sharing too and sorry that happened to you. But again, that isn’t all police officers.

My stop in LA (Lower Alabama) involved being at Ft. Rucker TDY to go through a course of instruction. Toward the end, on Veteran’s Day to be precise, I was done with my course and waiting to return to Panama but very sick with the flu. Lyster Hospital on post was closed and the only close place to get some medicine was at a WalMart in Enterprise. About 20 minutes from post. Going about 10 over the limit on 84 I crested a hill and saw a SP Cruiser on the other side. I didn’t even wait for his lights. He pulled out and I pulled over knowing I deserved a ticket and was crossing my fingers for a warning. He took 10 minutes to walk up from behind to the rental I was driving and read me the Riot Act about speeding. More than I’d imagine was necessary. He went on about soldiers thinking they were indestructible and how he was in the ALNG but didn’t use it as an excuse to speed and I just kinda sat there thinking, a stiff speeding fine would be better than this. He asked me what the hurry was and I told him it wasn’t an excuse but I was ill and trying to get to WalMart. He made a point it was all the more reason to not drive and I had to think, he was right. The only thing I asked of him was to please run all my paper as quickly as he was allowed and let me have the ticket so I could get to WalMart. I’m guessing that might have made him more suspicious and he just took longer. In all, from the time I saw his car pulling out until I was on my way was nearly an hour of me sitting there coughing and squeezing my butt cheeks together. I felt after a while like he was going overboard. I resolved to get out of the ticket.

The day before I was supposed to leave, I went to the courthouse in Enterprise to plead guilty to the fine. The Judge asked why I would do that when I could have simply paid the ticket rather than spend a day in court. I told him I was an otherwise good driver, described the officer’s behavior and the circumstances on that day were not normally how I conduct myself. I asked that with admitting to speeding, he show leniency and dismiss the fine. He didn’t say anything for a second or two and then stated to his clerk, “Please enter that Mr. “Hawkdriver” (not my real name) is entering a plea of not guilty to speeding and that I find as such.” He asked me to come to the side of his bench and said that Officer “ReadMeTheRiotAct” (NotHisRealName) has been the on-site officer for more fatalities involving soldiers on 84 than he could remember. I felt good to be done with the ticket that I deserved and felt bad that I didn’t have the opportunity to speak once more with the officer to say that I understood.

I think somehow we expect that one profession, law enforcement, to be able to comport themselves in some perfect manner that is impossible to achieve.

Hope as others are wishing, you are on the road to better health.

hawkdriver on September 16, 2012 at 4:51 PM

The stories are flying around at supersonic speed, the poor Lamestream media jsut can’t seem to get co-ordinated on the one they are supposed to tell.Actually funny to watch.

The one story I heard which has surfaced was that before kiliing the US Ambassador he was sodomized by this mob of MUSLIMS, for people that are so against homosexual acts they seemed to take great pleasure in it.

I think the only real story is we are dealing with 6th century cretins who have been fighting and killing their own and others for thousands of years and have no desire to stop.

Can’t cure stupid, I think we should become energy independent,bring ALL our troops home, cut off all foreign aid to all these warring nations and let them eat sand and wipe each other out.

concernedsenior on September 16, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Martin Dempsey in the highest military office in the land, parley-voo?
Martin Dempsey in the highest military office in the land, parley-voo?
He can bow and scrape and submit to Muslims a great deal
But following his oath to the Constitution to him just does not appeal
He has less class than the back of a hack
A moon and crescent should be tattooed on his back
If he would just perform like even a 2nd Lieutenant in Patton’s Army sometime somewhere
He would probably expect to be awarded the Croix-de-Guerre
Hinky, dinky, parley-voo

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on September 16, 2012 at 5:02 PM

One would think that the administration would stop digging.

tommer74 on September 16, 2012 at 5:04 PM

You don’t have to be a genius to know on 9/11 an attack could come from alQaeda.

Unless of course you are Obama. and then Muslims can do no harm…

tarpon on September 16, 2012 at 5:04 PM

obamie -one, knew this was going to happen…prior to the attack, but did nothing…and then the coverup and backpeddling …

Huckleberry Mike on September 16, 2012 at 5:11 PM

A spontaneous uprising 1,400 years in the making. Sheesh.

VorDaj on September 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I think the only real story is we are dealing with 6th century cretins who have been fighting and killing their own and others for thousands of years and have no desire to stop.

Can’t cure stupid, I think we should become energy independent,bring ALL our troops home, cut off all foreign aid to all these warring nations and let them eat sand and wipe each other out.

concernedsenior on September 16, 2012 at 4:55 PM

I have not seen you here before but I like your attitude!

VegasRick on September 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM

I wonder why the wrong Rice,Condi being the right Rice,has not mentioned what CIA Director Petraeus had to say to Congress? Must have slipped her mind.In weeks to come it will be much easier for all member of the regime just to say “its an ongoig investigation by the FBI,since Egypt is right around the corner from Minneapolis,I guess. Anyway the Gen. said that the raid was well coordinated, planned, and that the translated two minute video into Arabic seen by at least by 6 or 7 illiterate terrorists was just an excuse that the terror types were using. Other reports are that the blind sheik is the real reason.
Since we are still holding the blind sheik for trying to blow stuff up over here whacked out Imams fired up these religion of peace warriors during their Friday prayers(kind of a pep rally for terrorists held on Fridays before the big game which is blowing something up, without the cheerleaders)IF it sounds a bit crazy its because the entire fiasco is on the psychologically disturbed side of life.
Of course we have the same problem here in the states. Whenever we get one of our heroes jailed or see a video with Jesus shown in a bad light we start blowing up stuff on the weekend and then get in our Chevys and go back to work on Monday,errr…. maybe not.
Anyway,the State dept. had advance notice that all this recreational terror was coming but chose to leave their gay ambassador unguarded with only soldiers shooting cap pistols and we see the result.
Ohhh.. the wisdom of hillary!She must still be getting advice(and who knows what else) form Houuummmmaaauuuhhh.
And the saga continues….

rodguy911 on September 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Tuesday is fine. Romney gives serious response and Obama goes on Letterman. Romney should also meet with Netanyhu this week, while Obama parties with Jay Z and Beyonce.

monalisa on September 16, 2012 at 4:49 PM

no. neither u nor obama nor the press should be running romney’s campaign. Let the people see bo for what he is. romney just plays into being the fall guy when he speaks about what is right or obvious.nothing he says or does can chage bo’s ME policy in the next 2 months.

ps. he’s doing fine in the polls and right where he should be.

gracie on September 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

rodguy911 on September 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Petraeus and Condi Rice blame all the “problems” in the Middle east on Israel (the Jews!).

VorDaj on September 16, 2012 at 5:19 PM

General Allen here all you disrespecters of the Great Religion of Peace. These fine well meaning upstanding Muslims were just stressed out from not being able to eat during the day during Ramadan.

Attention!!! General Petraeus here. I condemn the action of the individual in the United States who made a film disrespecting the Great Prophet Mohammad. That action was hateful. It was intolerant, and it was extremely disrespectful. I condemn the actions of a small number of individuals who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Qur’an. Together with our Muslim Partners in Peace, we must secure and serve the people of the Muslim world.

General Casey here! Stand at attention! No mater how tragic the untimely death of a few Americans might be to some, abroad or at home, we must not let this affect the diversity of those who watch our embassies and our schools, as if we did, that would be a much greater tragedy.

RasThavas on September 16, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Let’s look at this through objective eyes.

1 None of the Middle eastern violence was directed by hatred of America.
2 ALL of the violence was caused by the movie trailer denigrating Mohammed.
3 Before the movie trailer last week the Muslims were peaceful people incapable of creating violence. Try to remember, before last week,of a SINGLE act of violence ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!!! where Muslims were were involved. See , you can’t.
4 It is therefore obvious that any Muslim violence must, ipso facto, be caused by this movie trailer.
5 Since we egregiously allow this movie maker to lawfully exercise his constitutional rights, and since this movie trailer (as we have already proven) caused all the violence, it is the United States and not the poor innocent rioters who are totally to blame for all the mayhem and murder.

MaiDee on September 16, 2012 at 5:25 PM

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