Video: Full “Lincoln” trailer

posted at 8:41 pm on September 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

I promised it to you on Monday and now here it is. Hey, remember when I wondered whether the full trailer would reveal a spare, sober portrait of Lincoln or a warm bucket of melodramatic schmaltz? Here’s our answer. Hope you guys don’t mind schmaltz for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, because there’s enough here to make leftovers for days.

Looks excruciatingly didactic, but I’ll probably go anyway just because Daniel Day-Lewis in freaky deaky method mode is the closest we’ll ever get to the real Lincoln.


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His mistake was to bypass DC in the belief it was heavily manned and fortified. It wasn’t. A full out attack on Washington would have caused panic and mass evacuations even if he didn’t actually take the city.

The irony is that when he was still with the Union army he was offered the command to defend D.C. before war broke out and he threw his lot in with the Rebs.

In all likelihood, the Union would have sued for peace rather quickly.
BacaDog on September 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Maybe, but I doubt it. The Union forces and resources were overwhelming overall, with more depth. Could also, at very worst, been as when the Brits sacked DC in 1812 – a symbolic victory that did not matter when all was said and done.

whatcat on September 14, 2012 at 10:50 PM

he threw his lot in with the Rebs

Actually, Lee was a Virginian and chose to stand with his home state. They were seceding from the Union, not planning to go to war.

Texas Gal on September 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM

when the Brits sacked DC in 1812 – a symbolic victory that did not matter when all was said and done.

Not in the mind of my British friend. He still is a little raw that we enshrined the @ss whoppin’ we gave them in our National Anthem. ;)

Texas Gal on September 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The problem with those who bash Lincoln for “trampling the constitution” (their words not mine), or forcing the south back into the Union, etc., was that George Washington (Whiskey Rebellion), James Madison (Hartford Convention), and Andrew Jackson (Nullification Crisis) would have done the same thing.

If you are going to attack Lincoln for trying to preserve the Union you are also going to have to bash Washington, Madison, Jackson, and a host of other important American leaders.

William Eaton on September 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Screenplay by Tony Kushner

Schmaltz always included.

Shaughnessy on September 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM

he threw his lot in with the Rebs

Actually, Lee was a Virginian and chose to stand with his home state. They were seceding from the Union, not planning to go to war.
Texas Gal on September 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I meant more throwing his lot – intended or not – in with the fate of the CSA, that they would all stand or fall as a lot. But, you’re right that he’s not easily pigeonholed. To wit, Lee’s Letter to His Son.

whatcat on September 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM

when the Brits sacked DC in 1812 – a symbolic victory that did not matter when all was said and done.

Not in the mind of my British friend. He still is a little raw that we enshrined the @ss whoppin’ we gave them in our National Anthem. ;)
Texas Gal on September 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Now the only hope the poor Brit lads have to win a battle is during a soccer riot. So you do have to feel a little sorry for them on that account.

whatcat on September 14, 2012 at 11:33 PM

ugh–It looks like War Horse, only with Lincoln…

bandarlog on September 14, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I meant more throwing his lot – intended or not – in with the fate of the CSA, that they would all stand or fall as a lot. But, you’re right that he’s not easily pigeonholed. To wit, Lee’s Letter to His Son.

whatcat on September 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Thanks for posting the link I feel enlightened.

whbates on September 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I meant more throwing his lot – intended or not – in with the fate of the CSA, that they would all stand or fall as a lot. But, you’re right that he’s not easily pigeonholed. To wit, Lee’s Letter to His Son.

whatcat on September 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM

That’s how they all felt. And they knew they had limited resources. It’s a misrepresentation that the south seceded to fight to save slavery. Just as it’s a misrepresentation that Lincoln freed the slaves because of his benevolence. It was about the federal treasury.

Now the only hope the poor Brit lads have to win a battle is during a soccer riot. So you do have to feel a little sorry for them on that account.

whatcat on September 14, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Right that the truth!

Texas Gal on September 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM

The problem with those who bash Lincoln for “trampling the constitution” (their words not mine), or forcing the south back into the Union, etc., was that George Washington (Whiskey Rebellion), James Madison (Hartford Convention), and Andrew Jackson (Nullification Crisis) would have done the same thing.

If you are going to attack Lincoln for trying to preserve the Union you are also going to have to bash Washington, Madison, Jackson, and a host of other important American leaders.

William Eaton on September 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Wow, I need to give you plus one for that.

Oil Can on September 15, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Abe Lincoln in Illinois is still better.

Ward Cleaver on September 15, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Egad. The Flying Nun is Mrs. Lincoln.

FlatFoot on September 15, 2012 at 3:17 AM

I wonder if they bothered to mention that Abe was the first republican president, and the southern slave states were exclusively democrat?

True that the parties have changed alot over the century and can’t be directly overlayed on today’s republicans and democrats..

However..

Our party has the legacy of being the party that ENDED slavery in the US… when it was democrats who opposed them.

Just wondering, if they bother to mention that..

mark81150 on September 15, 2012 at 8:42 AM

You’re an idiot. For 4 years, the confederate army defeated an army of superior force on numerous battlefields. Lee was a master at forcing the Union army to fight him on his terms, at his place of choice.

Lincoln was under tremendous pressure in 1864 to end the hostilities due to numerous defeats and a staggering loss of life. His problem was General McClellan. He constantly overestimated The size of Lee’s forces, and simply wouldn’t take the fight to Lee.

As a last resort, Lincoln enacted the emancipation proclamation to strengthen the resolve of the north, fired McClellan and replaced him with Grant. Grant sought out Lee’s forces and pursued them mercilessly as he knew a war of attrition was a war he would win.

BacaDog on September 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Uh, not to pick sides here but you shouldn’t be calling anyone else an idiot when you don’t even know what you are talking about. McClellan was the Commander of the Army of the Potomac in 1862 when he was replaced TWICE by Lincoln. After Mac, there was Pope, Burnside, Meade and only in early 1864 did Grant take over command of the Union Armies- Meade remained in nominal command of the Army of the Potomac through the end of the war.

AirForceCane on September 15, 2012 at 9:18 AM

***********************SPOILER ALERT*************************

He gets shot and dies at the end..

celt on September 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Egad. The Flying Nun is Mrs. Lincoln.

FlatFoot on September 15, 2012 at 3:17 AM

I was wondering if anyone else noticed that. Sally Field is playing a role much greater than herself. Expect at the Oscars another enactment of her previous scene at the Oscars with the lines, “You love me! You really do!!”

theotherone on September 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM

This might be the greatest revisionist work ever excreted from the bowels of Hollywood.

EddieC on September 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Pure crap

Rusty Allen on September 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM

My bottom 5:

40. Wilson
41. FDR
42. Lincoln
43. Carter
44. Obama

I don’t like Presidents that are horribly inept and/or who walk all over the Constitution. Or in the case of Wilson are pure evil.

wildcat72 on September 14, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Wilson was about as racist as they come and you’re hard pressed to find many history books that mention it and even if they do it’s a brief paragraph buried in the middle of praise for his “progressive” policies.

Yakko77 on September 15, 2012 at 12:47 PM

wildcat72 on September 14, 2012 at 8:54 PM

It would be interesting to hear what portions of the Constitution you think Lincoln violated.

Not even his suspension of the writ of habeas corpus was unconstitutional — “The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.”

unclesmrgol on September 15, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Lincoln did not have the right to preserve anything, once the Southern states had decided to leave. He used brute force to create a new union from ashes and fear, blood and misery. He would have done so had the North been the slave holders.

The war between the states was about preserving tariffs and monopolies of Northern interests. Slavery was little more than psyops and jingo.

spmat on September 15, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Just to be clear, the Southern states went to war to protect the interests of the ruling aristocracy.

The sons of the South died in the mud for two reasons:

First: Because fsck you, that’s why. Get off my land.
Distant second: The aristocracy told us to.

The Southern soldier didn’t care about slavery any more than the Northern soldier did.

spmat on September 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM

It would be interesting to hear what portions of the Constitution you think Lincoln violated.

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How about the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus for one. This is a power that the constitution says belong to congress not the president! Which was ruled upon by Chief Justice Roger Taney whom Lincoln tried to have arrested. Or how about arresting the legislators of Maryland with out a warrant or probable cause. Or let’s try declaring war & raising troops while congress was in recess!

Confederate on September 16, 2012 at 1:38 AM

How about the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus for one. This is a power that the constitution says belong to congress not the president! Which was ruled upon by Chief Justice Roger Taney whom Lincoln tried to have arrested. Or how about arresting the legislators of Maryland with out a warrant or probable cause. Or let’s try declaring war & raising troops while congress was in recess!

Confederate on September 16, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Once again George Washington, James Madison, and Andrew Jackson would have done the same thing.

Andrew Jackson actually threatened during the nullification crisis to lead an army to South Carolina himself and start hanging people who supported nullification…personally…

William Eaton on September 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Interesting thread.

Lincoln did what he had to to keep the Union together. That was his primary goal and his EP was a tool towards that goal. An effective one at that. Had the Union armies done better in the field I doubt that his EP would have seen the light of day.

Those that holler about him trashing the Constitution should realize that those states who left the Union gave up on the Constitution. Lincoln never gave up on the Constitution; the South did.
Don’t like the 13th Amendment? Was it shoved down your throat? Work towards its repeal. Amendments can and have been repealed.

Folks say that slavery was a dying institution. While I agree that technology would eventually make many tasks slaves performed redundant, the institution would have remained. Domestic slavery would have flourished and probably would be with us today in North America. The CSA would have eventually had to deal with the issue had it survived and I believe left it to the individual states to decide to abolish slavery or not. If not they would be faced with the same dilemma Lincoln possessed; the hypocrisy would have been splendid! This would have left North America divided between Canada, the USA, the CSA and possible Russian and Spanish portions with bits within the CSA here and there allowing slavery.

Bubba Redneck on September 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

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