The eight dumbest things said about free speech this week

posted at 2:41 pm on September 14, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Oh, the competition is fierce, what with many who should know better leaping to denounce “denigration of religion” and “hurting feelings” when the poking the religion and feelings in question might lead to an irrational, violent response to a YouTube video that looks like it was made in my parents’ basement with a camcorder circa 1987. Old and busted: Breezy requests that those offended “turn the channel” or “chill out” and brave, indignant battle cries for free speech in the face of those who don’t actually threaten it. New hotness: Respecting the right of those doing violence not to be offended by our speech.

1. Mike Barnicle was out of the box fast on the morning of 9/12 with this ludicrous suggestion on “Morning Joe.” He thinks a pastor in Florida, who allegedly backed the anti-Islam YouTube clip which is allegedly causing all this fuss, should be prosecuted by the Department of Justice as an accessory to murder. It was later found pastor Terry Jones had little to nothing to do with the YouTube clip in question. I wonder if Barnicle later found a copy of the Constitution.

2. Anthea Butler, tenured professor at the prestigious University of Pennsylvania will have you asking, “what is our children learning?” Butler first tweeted, “Good Morning. How soon is Sam Bacile going to be in jail folks? I need him to go now.When Americans die because you are stupid…And people do to jail for speech. First Amendment doesn’t cover EVERYTHING a PERSON says.” Butler then took to the pages of a national newspaper to defend her view. Read the whole thing:

If there is anyone who values free speech, it is a tenured professor!

So why did I tweet that Bacile should be in jail? The “free speech” in Bacile’s film is not about expressing a personal opinion about Islam. It denigrates the religion by depicting the faith’s founder in several ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes to incite and inflame viewers. Even the film’s actors say they were duped.

Bacile’s movie is not the first to denigrate a religious figure, nor will it be the last. The Last Temptation of Christ was protested vigorously. The difference is that Bacile indirectly and inadvertently inflamed people half a world away, resulting in the deaths of U.S. Embassy personnel…

While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that other countries and cultures do not have to understand or respect our right. My condolences and prayers go out to the families of the U.S. Embassy employees killed in Libya.

3. Christiane Amanpour, an international reporter of some renown, treats the notion of free speech rather harshly in this interview with George Stephanopoulos. She likens making a crappy YouTube clip to “shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.” Because, as we all know, speech is most free when we make its acceptability contingent on the reaction of the recipient. I think that’s call the Violent Psycho’s Veto.



4. William Saletan
of Slate, whose writing I often enjoy, claims it was Mitt Romney who betrayed free speech, not the Cairo embassy. Romney’s jump from the Cairo embassy’s statement to an accusation of “apologizing” for American values “embraced the illiberal Islamist mindset that led to the embassy invasion: To declare a movie offensive is to authorize its suppression.” Or something. He writes of the Cairo embassy’s response:

When you read the tweets alongside the initial statement, the message is clear. Free speech is a universal right. The Muslim-baiting movie is an abuse of that right. The embassy rejects the movie but defends free speech and condemns the invasion of its compound.

Does he believe a Christian-baiting or Mormon-baiting crappy YouTube clip is an “abuse of that right” worthy of condemnation by a mouthpiece of the U.S. government? I bet I could find a couple no fed has bothered to condemn yet, in order to affirm both our inclusiveness and our free speech. You know why? Because they shouldn’t, and they only do it when those baited are prone to violence.

As to whether it’s Romney who has “embraced the illiberal Islamist mindset that led to the embassy invasion: To declare a movie offensive is to authorize its suppression,” anyone think this kind of thing might have a little bit of a chilling effect? I’ll let Saletan have the last word:

I don’t know where you were born, Mr. Romney (just kidding!), but where I come from, there’s nothing more American than recognizing the idiocy of a man’s views and, at the same time, his right to express them. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, the main threat to our values right now isn’t President Obama, the Egyptians, the Libyans, or our diplomats in Cairo. It’s you.

5. L.A. Times writer James Rainey suggests Romney go all out and have a rally with pastor Terry Jones who, as noted above, had little to nothing to do with the creation of this crappy YouTube clip. Because affirming the First Amendment must mean he hearts Terry Jones and all he believes.

Jones could talk about why it’s so important to show that Muhammad has sexual designs on any warm object that isn’t bolted to the ground. And Mitt of Massachusetts could talk about why it’s so important to protect the right of Americans to don silly beards and costumes to dramatize such views.

Most people do thing that’s pretty important. Many people have died protecting the right to do just that, even when it ticks someone off.

6. The Rev. Steven Martin, writing for Huffington Post:

I have no sympathy for anyone who would assassinate a U.S. ambassador. But I have even less sympathy for filmmakers who spread hatred and for pastors who knowingly incite violence. Jones, and his love of the limelight, needs no further introduction. This latest incident seems to have been sparked by his promotion of a $5 million film produced and directed by Sam Bacile, a filmmaker living in Los Angeles. Being both a filmmaker and a pastor, I can relate to the responsibility both offices carry.

He has less sympathy for those who create crappy YouTube clips than those who would assassinate a U.S. ambassador? And again, Jones seems only to have agreed to screen the film if the crappy YouTube clip ever were to become a movie, but because his name is synonymous with “Muslim-baiting,” everyone jumped on including him in this story.

7. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs calls a pastor in Florida to ask him not to promote a crappy YouTube clip. I believe this has happened in the past, with officials calling Jones when he was threatening to burn Korans. I know the military has operational concerns, and I’m concerned about the safety of troops and diplomats, but having the nation’s high-ranking military officials ask people not to exercise their right to free speech is pretty chilling of free speech.

The military’s top uniformed leader decided on his own to phone an extremist Florida pastor linked to an inflammatory anti-Islamic online video, the Pentagon said Thursday – no one else asked him to do so.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey called Florida pastor Terry Jones on Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video that some reports have linked with anti-American unrest in the Muslim world, a spokesman said.

8. The U.S. Embassy in Cairo: Any list must include the kick-off capitulation on the free speech front this week, which came out of the Cairo embassy before it was overrun, but in an attempt to preemptively quell probable violent reactions to an anti-Islam YouTube clip.

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

As Matt Welch wrote at Reason, how hard is it for the government to avoid making a value judgment on each, individual piece of speech extremists use as a pretext for violence? “How hard is it to say, ‘In the United States, we’re not in the business of approving these messages.’?” Many conservatives, me included, were annoyed with the Bush administration’s preoccupation with condemning anti-Muslim speech as “offensive” before moving on to affirm First Amendment rights. This is arguably more problematic because there is no accompanying affirmation of free speech. Most of us are not in the habit of denigrating people’s religions willy nilly, but most of us aren’t official mouthpieces of the U.S. government overseas, which should be making clear that speech that “hurts feelings” is not an “abuse” of free speech.

Yes, there have been problems with interpreting the timing of the Cairo embassy’s statement, which came before it was overrun. But the embassy later stood by the statement via its Twitter account long after violence had started, and as Jamie Kirchick writes:

I’ll leave you with another Matt Welch piece, in Tablet, which says it all: A pretext to murder in Libya.

Update: 9. Oh, dear.


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MKH, prepare to make some amendments to the post. There’s a LOT more things that should be on a list of “dumbest things said about free speech this week.”

Like the government publicly leaning on YouTube to pull the video.

teke184 on September 14, 2012 at 2:44 PM

You will know the Commie filth, by their words.

I’ve never been so repulsed.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM

At the memorial for the four brave Americans killed in Libya, Hillary just laid the entire blame on the YouTube video..

d1carter on September 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Anything Obama, Clinton, or any other liberal uttered this week.

RovesChins on September 14, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Obviously, this list is incomplete since a lunatic remark from bumbling Bite-Me biden isn’t in the list.

TeaPartyNation on September 14, 2012 at 2:46 PM

That Obama is nice.

Ramirez nailed them.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Kudos for keeping the trailer up…from those who’re usually in Obama’s crotch.

Too bad Mitt stooped to Obama/Hillary on criticizing the ‘film’ which isn’t. It’s a 6 months old trailer by a crook.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Feel free to add more in comments. I know there are plenty I’ve missed, and I kept it mostly to media types.

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

These filthy, Commie pigs.

“Hate” doesn’t express the depths of what I feel for them.

I guess it’s because I think that they’ve won – and that my country is lost.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

The leftists and some of the rightists don’t deserve to be free.

“There’s a huge difference btw. embassies and consulates, you hicks’ –sesquipedalian

“if the embassies and other places burn, wait until the fires go cold” — sesqu, the Einsteinean genius of HA

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Islamic radicals actually did learn something from America’s homosexual activists. They learned that appending “-phobia” to create a description of your political opponents works fantastically well. Thus, we have “Islamophobia” to go along with “homophobia.” It turns your opponents from critics into bigots, and frightened bigots at that. So, we’ll see if another group is able to start turning simple disagreement into a recognized crime.

RBMN on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

9. Bette Midler

John the Libertarian on September 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM

The Bill of Rights was first proposed by a joint resolution of congress on September 25, 1789 as a precondition of the original states agreeing to the Constitution. I suggest we celebrate the anniversary with gatherings across the country to remind those who ‘lead’ us to remind them that the first amendment (along with the others) still applies.

Vashta.Nerada on September 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Obama, Biden and Hillary awaiting the dead at the airport, the necrophilic propagandists who blame Romney for being absolutely right on the first night.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM

OT: Watching the President and the Secretary of State talking about the sacrifice those 4 killed at the embassy in Benghazi made for this nation on CSPAN-2.

BBC just ran a story that asserts that the embassy didn’t even have a full contract with our CIVILIAN security contractors.

From what I’ve seen, that embassy was left largely unprotected. There was no general alert, ordering full lock down and utmost caution. There was no Marine contingent on guard. There was very little by way of security for an embassy situated in an area so clearly unstable and home to so many hostile individuals.

Its ironic, indeed, to see the President and the Secretary of State discussing this in terms of lauding the great sacrifice that our ambassador Stevens and his colleagues made for this nation.

thatsafactjack on September 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Ed Rawlins today on Fox “Mitt needs to cool it and stand by Obama in these times of crisis”.

Gd Ed and all the fools on the right.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Looks like #7 didn’t make it into the post.

Mr. D on September 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM

She likens making a crappy YouTube clip to “shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”

Interestingly enough, the court case this idea comes from was overturned:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater

Ironically (I think?), it was about a case of people protesting the draft for WWI. Now liberals shout that out with glee, but have no idea where the idea even came from, and how it was used to severely limit legitimate free speech.

strictnein on September 14, 2012 at 2:55 PM

(Its) It’s ironic, indeed, to see the President and the Secretary of State discussing this in terms of lauding the great sacrifice that our ambassador Stevens and his colleagues made for this nation.

thatsafactjack on September 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

The embassy in Tripoli is burning as we write. The clowns are beyond irony. This is all their fault, the result of their idiotic Arab Spring, leading from behind policies.

They own it. Only fools don’t realize it.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Looks like #7 didn’t make it into the post.

Shhhhh MKH is a Georgia Graduate, they count that way down there….

JFKY on September 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Amanpour is the most bloviating muzzie paramour of all times.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM

That the rioters were yelling “Obama, Obama, Osama is dead but WE ARE ALIVE!” gives no clue whatever to possible motivations for the attack I suppose.

Nope they weren’t reacting to Democratic grandstanding and ball spiking. Nosiree…perish the thought…it was that crappy uTube video promoted by some obscure loon.

Lily on September 14, 2012 at 2:57 PM

First should have been the idiotic 9-hours reply from the Cairo embassy.

Second, the Hillary pronouncements for the religion of pieces and etc.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Feel free to add more in comments. I know there are plenty I’ve missed, and I kept it mostly to media types.

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Well, you missed all those posts by sesquipedalian…every one would qualify for ‘dumbest things said about free speech’.

dont taze me bro on September 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM

OT:

Out: Mission Accomplished

In: Casket Props

faraway on September 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Liberals all belong in straightjackets. They are thoroughly incoherent, jabbering mutants at this point.

WhatSlushfund on September 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM

The blaming of this on a stupid film won’t wash. There should have been more protection for our people and eveyone knows it. That is incompetence at all levels.

poli-nana on September 14, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Bravo, MKH! Excellent post.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM

We are close to a turning point folks. How long before the narrative becomes “what good are our so-called rights of free speech if by exercising them, we lose peace and security?”

The road to sharia.

slickwillie2001 on September 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM

9. Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, phoning Pastor Jones and begging him not to exercise his first amendment rights.

10. Joe Scarborough, claiming that the MSM could not do its job because Mitt Romney held a press conference and criticized the administration.

Mr. Arkadin on September 14, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Looks like #7 didn’t make it into the post.

Shhhhh MKH is a Georgia Graduate, they count that way down there….

JFKY on September 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Georgia grads retired the number 7 on behalf of mascot Uga VII, which died of a heart attack only two years into his run there.

teke184 on September 14, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Entire media gaggle bullying Romney, for being right.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:03 PM

OT: Watching the President and the Secretary of State talking about the sacrifice those 4 killed at the embassy in Benghazi made for this nation on CSPAN-2.

BBC just ran a story that asserts that the embassy didn’t even have a full contract with our CIVILIAN security contractors.

From what I’ve seen, that embassy was left largely unprotected. There was no general alert, ordering full lock down and utmost caution. There was no Marine contingent on guard. There was very little by way of security for an embassy situated in an area so clearly unstable and home to so many hostile individuals.

Its ironic, indeed, to see the President and the Secretary of State discussing this in terms of lauding the great sacrifice that our ambassador Stevens and his colleagues made for this nation.

thatsafactjack on September 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

And it’s all about as believable as the funeral tears of the President, who sprayed sperm on one of his interns:

funeral tears of a sperm sprayer

OhEssYouCowboys on September 14, 2012 at 3:03 PM

I’m getting pretty bothered by the Romney campaign, which seems to have stopped after their selection of Ryan and Medicare attacks (bullseyes on both counts).

WHERE are their ads on:

* Obama Administrations attacks on/apologies for FREE SPEECH,

* the violent, failed fruits of Obama’s “Bow and Surrender” Middle East policy,

* the Jobs Report, which showed unemployment going from 8.3% to 8.1% ONLY BECAUSE 368,000 Americans left the workforce,

* Obama’s Convention BOOING God?!?

The Romney Campaign USED TO HAVE NO PROBLEM coming out with great response ads within 24-48 hours of a HOT BUTTON issue. NOW?!? *crickets*

In Florida, it is said that “early/mail-in” voting represents about 70% of all votes, and that ballots will be sent out early October.

So, it’s September 14th:
WHERE ARE ROMNEY’S BALLS?!?
Where are the ATTACKS?!?

I will NOT accept McCain v. 2.0.

Czar of Defenestration on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Carney claiming “they don’t burn against the US, they love us”.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

The eight dumbest things said about free speech this week

The First Amendment Hall of Shame. Eight and counting.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

How many people died because of The Last Temptation of Christ? How many people died because of The Book of Mormon(Broadway Musical)? Piss Christ? Any number of stupid college plays with a homosexual Jesus? I think the answer is none, none at all. Speech isn’t the problem!

JohnBrown on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Looks like #7 didn’t make it into the post.

Mr. D on September 14, 2012

It did at first and then got mysteriously disappeared. I added it back in. Sorry about that!

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Looks like #7 didn’t make it into the post.

Mr. D on September 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Censored by Townhall.

slickwillie2001 on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Ed Rawlins today on Fox “Mitt needs to cool it and stand by Obama in these times of crisis”.

Gd Ed and all the fools on the right.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

..irrespective of who wins the presidential election, Schade, I am DEFINITELY with you at the barricades until all of this shitt is driven to ground.

The War Planner on September 14, 2012 at 3:05 PM

There was a time in this nation when our free press actually felt a responsibility, if not an obligation, to investigate the actions of the government following a tragic loss of life such as we have just witnessed. No longer. Only those who criticize the government need be investigated.

STL_Vet on September 14, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Georgia grads retired the number 7 on behalf of mascot Uga VII, which died of a heart attack only two years into his run there.

I heard he killed himself, just to spare himself the embarassment of being a Dawg’s Fan…but I could be wrong.

JFKY on September 14, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Looks like #7 didn’t make it into the post.

Meh, what are you talking about? :)

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

..irrespective of who wins the presidential election, Schade, I am DEFINITELY with you at the barricades until all of this shitt is driven to ground.

The War Planner on September 14, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Good. I count on you.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Bin Laden is dead, and #7 is alive!

faraway on September 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Feel free to add more in comments. I know there are plenty I’ve missed, and I kept it mostly to media types.

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

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Thank you, but we all know there’s not enough bandwidth to list every stupid thing said about free speech this week, from college professors alone.

listens2glenn on September 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

OT: Watching the President and the Secretary of State talking about the sacrifice those 4 killed at the embassy in Benghazi made for this nation on CSPAN-2.

BBC just ran a story that asserts that the embassy didn’t even have a full contract with our CIVILIAN security contractors.

From what I’ve seen, that embassy was left largely unprotected. There was no general alert, ordering full lock down and utmost caution. There was no Marine contingent on guard. There was very little by way of security for an embassy situated in an area so clearly unstable and home to so many hostile individuals.

Its ironic, indeed, to see the President and the Secretary of State discussing this in terms of lauding the great sacrifice that our ambassador Stevens and his colleagues made for this nation.
thatsafactjack on September 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

I guess making that sacrifice was a risk the administration was willing to take.

dont taze me bro on September 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Czar of Defenestration on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

I’m getting nervous about McCain v2 too. I was hoping that this was the week he would step up to the plate, so have been holding back on criticism. But the week has come and nearly gone, and except for a few brief moments on the ME, there was barely a peep.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

The leftists and some rightists don’t deserve to be free any longer.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Of course people don’t understand free speech anymore. They’ve had years of training via homosexuals and their push to have hate speech codes and laws trump free speech and freedom of religion. That extends from the capital down to universities, grade schools, and corporations. Or what about the groups that are so offended over the sight of a cross that they sue to have every one removed? There are a lot of petty tyrants right here at home who have been warring for years.

AnotherOpinion on September 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Amanpour wants us to moderate our speech to not offend the sensibilities of people who stone homosexuals and mutilate women?

gwelf on September 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

there was barely a peep.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Hey, Mitt just said that your president exudes nicety and calm demeanor or some such sh*t.

Your president is a passive-aggressive thug, a hoax/charlatan, out for only his own power. He hates his land and the dumb people in it.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

MKH –
5 and 7 are the same.
So that makes it the 7 dumbest.

verbaluce on September 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Amanpour wants us to moderate our speech to not offend the sensibilities of people who stone homosexuals and mutilate women?

gwelf on September 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Amanpour is a big-mouth paramour of the first rate. She’s your enemy.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Here’s something dumb: Obama and Hilary saying the 4 dead in Libya “laid down their lives.” They didn’t lay down anything. Their lives were ripped from them in a bloody torturous way by gutless savages.

Jackalope on September 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Mr. D on September 14, 2012

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It did at first and then got mysteriously disappeared. I added it back in. Sorry about that!

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

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These kind of technical-glitches don’t sit well with us indignant Hotair commenters.

So, HARUMPHHH !

Now, don’t let it happen again.

listens2glenn on September 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Feel free to add more in comments. I know there are plenty I’ve missed, and I kept it mostly to media types.

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

The dumbest comment is from those in the collective Muslim world who demand that the U.S. government arrest, try, and convict those involved in creating the YouTube video. I suppose they can be excused, because by and large they’re literally illiterate. I mean, they can’t read. They’re uneducated. Ignorant.

But if this may be a teachable moment … our Constitution, which is the law of the land, prevents the government from punishing people for speech. So there’s nothing anyone in our government can do about such a YouTube video. They can’t arrest them, try them, or convict them for anything related to this video. They’d have to make up a law to do so.

The U.S. is a nation of laws, not a nation of men.

The Koran says the penalty for slandering the Prophet is death. In the U.S., there’s no such penalty. Such a penalty would be against our Constitution. Every elected federal official, and everyone in the military, and probably many others as well, are required to take an oath to uphold the Constitution. It’s not voluntary.

Paul-Cincy on September 14, 2012 at 3:13 PM

IF this incident was about a film trailer, as the White House is trying to assert, claiming that the film (trailer)is under attack, not the United States, these individuals who claim to be so offended would be trying to remove this film from public view, not plotting attacks on American embassy’s and consulates and murdering and raping people.

I might think for instance, that they might try to get it removed from You Tube, for example, and I would think that the effort to do so would have been launched in earnest in July, when the film trailer was made public. I also think that, failing that, I might try to make a film, or film trailer, that refuted what I found to be offensive in the first film trailer.

NOT rush out and plot to commit acts of violence, including murder and rape, against people who had nothing to do with that film trailer other than being of the same nationality as the film’s maker.

Its not the fault of the man who made the clip that these people are murdering and raping people. Neither he, nor this ridiculously poorly conceived and crafted trailer, are to blame.

Its the fault of the person who decides to use any excuse handy to commit acts of heinous violence and mayhem.

thatsafactjack on September 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Hey Libtardforfee, where’s your commenting here?

itsspideyman on September 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

If the recipient determines which speech is “offensive” and must be prohibited, why is MSNBC still on the air?

And why are there no comedians on death row?

landlines on September 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

The shameless creeps who ‘lead’ the land:

The Baraka and Hellary read almost the same speech, except the 0 peppered his with “He has come home” for each one, like some black preacher would have.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Has anybody been to the website of where Steve Martin is a pastor? I’m kind of confused…

What they stand for is the DNC platform:
http://www.newevangelicalpartnership.org/?q=node/25

Their “about us” section implicitly attacks all other church-like organizations as partisans:
http://www.newevangelicalpartnership.org/?q=node/4

Anybody ever heard of this group before?

Conservative in NOVA on September 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I guess making that sacrifice was a risk the administration was willing to take.

dont taze me bro on September 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Interesting. Although the media are flinging about that word sacrifice pretty freely in connection with the ambassador and his staff, in the transcript of the speech that Obama just delivered he uses the word only once, in connection with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. He never once refers to the sacrifice of Ambassador Stevens or the embassy personnel.

He doesn’t dare. Because Ambassador Stevens and the others were sacrificed, all right.

de rigueur on September 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Feel free to add more in comments. I know there are plenty I’ve missed, and I kept it mostly to media types.

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

#9 (or 8)

The leftists and some rightists don’t deserve to be free any longer.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

verbaluce on September 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

I’m getting nervous about McCain v2 too. I was hoping that this was the week he would step up to the plate, so have been holding back on criticism. But the week has come and nearly gone, and except for a few brief moments on the ME, there was barely a peep.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Is it because he is not saying anything or because the media arm of the Obama re-election campaign is not broadcasting what he is saying?

AZfederalist on September 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Oh the hypocrisy of it all. The left will battle tooth and nail to use freedom of speech as a defense of their vile activities such as flag burning, insulting and degrading depictions they call art, and movies depicting an assassination of Bush. But, when it threatens their dear Leader then by all means send them to the electric chair. Intellectual honesty might as well be theoretical calculus to these buffoons.

HoustonRight on September 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM

#7 and #5 are the same now . . .

PastorJon on September 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Amanpour is a big-mouth paramour of the first rate. She’s your enemy.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

I know. I was just highlighting how poorly thought out her position is.

gwelf on September 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Well “free” speech is what the liberals say it is.

And if you disagree, we’ll send you to Gitmo!

GarandFan on September 14, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Where were the protests over Brokeback Mountain?

faraway on September 14, 2012 at 3:17 PM

verbaluce on September 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Paraphrasing Benjamin Franklin lands on your list?

gwelf on September 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

verbaluce on September 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Don’t know what your idiotic point is. Those who don’t fight for their freedom don’t deserve it either. It will be taken from them. Wake up, moron.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

And the other idiotic thing about the embassy tweets is that it expanded the number of people who knew about the film. Yes, it was on Arab TV, but it’s almost “hey, in case you didn’t see it yet, there’s a film you won’t like and we apologize for it.”

PastorJon on September 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I’m hearing and seeing from the left a lot of “blame the victim” talk. So if we conservatives become outraged at every slight from the MSM then they will quit being so careless with their accusations?

GoodAg77 on September 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

gwelf on September 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Is one of the biggest fools on HA, dim, incredibly dim bulb.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

#7 and #5 are the same now . . .

PastorJon on September 14, 2012

HAHA, something is going on with my editing. My apologies! I’ll get it fixed. My computer died while it was saving a version and I think it goofed everything up.

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Obama Cuts $2 Million from Protection of Foreign Missions, $129 Million form Embassy Security

faraway on September 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Guess where the money for their lavish HI vacation came from? $2M was about enough to cover it.

riddick on September 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I’m going with Carney saying this is because of the movie.
That is so dumb, he should not be free to say it.

Or Verbaluce’s next comment.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

That’s an amazing collection. The standard seems to be that speech that incites another to violence loses its protection as free speech. Maybe it’s time to revisit flag burning . . . .

EconomicNeocon on September 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Feel free to add more in comments. I know there are plenty I’ve missed, and I kept it mostly to media types.

Mary Katharine Ham on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I think the whole film is a terrible idea. I think him making it, promoting it showing it is disrespectful to people of other faiths. I don’t think that should happen. I think people should have the common courtesy and judgment– the good judgment– not to be– not to offend other peoples’ faiths. It’s a very bad thing, I think, this guy’s doing.

Mitt Romney

lexhamfox on September 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

He doesn’t dare. Because Ambassador Stevens and the others were sacrificed, all right.

de rigueur on September 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Outrage piled upon outrage. Failure to properly secure the embassy, followed by taking advantage of the results of that failure for political gain (i.e. ceremony / campaign stop / casket props). I want to scream.

dont taze me bro on September 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Or Verbaluce’s next comment.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

or sesqui’s – they’re outdoing each other today.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Does HA block CNN links? Just in case, re-posting:

I’m getting nervous about McCain v2 too. I was hoping that this was the week he would step up to the plate, so have been holding back on criticism. But the week has come and nearly gone, and except for a few brief moments on the ME, there was barely a peep.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Is it because he is not saying anything or because the media arm of the Obama re-election campaign is not broadcasting what he is saying?

AZfederalist on September 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

The latter.

de rigueur on September 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Farah Stockman, Boston Globe

Just to be clear, the blame for Chris’s death rests squarely with the mob who attacked our embassy. Their actions are despicable, and perhaps were incited by long-standing enemies of the United States. Muslims who are angry at how their religion has been portrayed must stop responding in violent ways that perpetrate the idea of Islam as a dangerous faith.

But shouldn’t people who knowingly incite violence against the United States – as a crude, thinly-veiled publicity stunt – also be held accountable?

Bacile knew that his ridiculous movie would spark massive protests against the United States across the Muslim world.

The article is still the same single-brain-cell argument that those who say mean things should be held accountable for their free speech. Stockman misses the point that the anger just happened to occur on the anniversary of 9/11, and the mobs just happen to show up, heavy weapons just happen to materialize outside the Libyan embassy with trained operators, who just happened to know about the safe house. What these guys fail to realize is the film was just an excuse. If that film had not existed, they would have found another excuse or just made one up.

STL_Vet on September 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

I think the whole film is a terrible idea. I think him making it, promoting it showing it is disrespectful to people of other faiths. I don’t think that should happen. I think people should have the common courtesy and judgment– the good judgment– not to be– not to offend other peoples’ faiths. It’s a very bad thing, I think, this guy’s doing.
Mitt Romney

lexhamfox on September 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

“Jesus is a creep” and “Laughing at Mormonism” is free in America.

God help the land, from the left to the right.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Yes, there have been problems with interpreting the timing of the Cairo embassy’s statement, which came before it was overrun.

Maybe some one in the State Department broke code and tipped off the Cairo Embassy it was going to be hit and that is why they tweeted their surrender before the dynamite monkeys showed up.

This ( like Fast and Furious is to future gun control) looks like an operation to implement the OIC’s demand to criminalize anti ‘Slum talk. They had their meeting months ago if you remember and Hill/Huma told them that the stupid first amendment would prove troublesome but they would launch a name and shame program to facilitate silencing the filthy Pedophilophobes. Here is that plan in action now. The slain Ambassador is like the slain border guard, unexpected collateral damage.

BL@KBIRD on September 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

HAHA, something is going on with my editing. My apologies! I’ll get it fixed. My computer died while it was saving a version and I think it goofed everything up.

Sure thing Mary Katherine Obama, blame the Computer/Bush….

JFKY on September 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Or Verbaluce’s next comment.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

or sesqui’s – they’re outdoing each other today.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

They can’t help themselves, they are after all, imbeciles studying to be morons, and failing miserably.

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Is it because he is not saying anything or because the media arm of the Obama re-election campaign is not broadcasting what he is saying?

AZfederalist on September 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Good point. MSM is part of the problem. But Romney, just like any other GOP prez candidate, has got to figure out how to get his message out over their heads, how to play the media instead of being played, get back on offense, put BHO on defense, and then control the narrative.

I know, easier said than done. But until we regain parity in MSM, it’s a fact of life for us.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

prestigious University of Pennsylvania”?

“an international reporter of some renown“?

How “prestigious” should I consider any university that retains such a jarringly stupid and intellectually specious individual as an employee?

From whom would the normally positive adjective “renown” be generated when discussing the uber-biased horror show known as Christiane Amanpour? Krugman? Morsi? Che’s ghost?

I have long-since stopped applying any complimentary words or statements to the persons and institutions that have done yeoman’s work on bringing this nation to near ruin.

Dion on September 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Does this mean there will be no campaigning in DC this evening?
I’ll bet it isn’t canceled. The gladhander in chief still needs to soak his base!

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/14/state_department_sets_up_24_hour_monitoring_team_for_embassy_crisis

scalleywag on September 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Can we add this as one of the 8 stupidest questions asked this week?

Should Obama fire Sebelius for violating the Hatch Act? Ed Morrisey.

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

The eight dumbest things said about free speech this week

…why aren’t people up in arms…let alone alarmed in this country?

KOOLAID2 on September 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

You know how much I support your right to say your silly puffed up sanctimonious lines…right?

verbaluce on September 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

In Mary Katharine’s defense:

My own computer has been twitchy since last night, and I’ve seen posts from at least two other poster’s who have been experiencing unusual glitches, generally small, with their computer’s, as well.

Not sure what to make of it.

thatsafactjack on September 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM

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