The eight dumbest things said about free speech this week
posted at 2:41 pm on September 14, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham
Oh, the competition is fierce, what with many who should know better leaping to denounce “denigration of religion” and “hurting feelings” when the poking the religion and feelings in question might lead to an irrational, violent response to a YouTube video that looks like it was made in my parents’ basement with a camcorder circa 1987. Old and busted: Breezy requests that those offended “turn the channel” or “chill out” and brave, indignant battle cries for free speech in the face of those who don’t actually threaten it. New hotness: Respecting the right of those doing violence not to be offended by our speech.
1. Mike Barnicle was out of the box fast on the morning of 9/12 with this ludicrous suggestion on “Morning Joe.” He thinks a pastor in Florida, who allegedly backed the anti-Islam YouTube clip which is allegedly causing all this fuss, should be prosecuted by the Department of Justice as an accessory to murder. It was later found pastor Terry Jones had little to nothing to do with the YouTube clip in question. I wonder if Barnicle later found a copy of the Constitution.
2. Anthea Butler, tenured professor at the prestigious University of Pennsylvania will have you asking, “what is our children learning?” Butler first tweeted, “Good Morning. How soon is Sam Bacile going to be in jail folks? I need him to go now.When Americans die because you are stupid…And people do to jail for speech. First Amendment doesn’t cover EVERYTHING a PERSON says.” Butler then took to the pages of a national newspaper to defend her view. Read the whole thing:
If there is anyone who values free speech, it is a tenured professor!
So why did I tweet that Bacile should be in jail? The “free speech” in Bacile’s film is not about expressing a personal opinion about Islam. It denigrates the religion by depicting the faith’s founder in several ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes to incite and inflame viewers. Even the film’s actors say they were duped.
Bacile’s movie is not the first to denigrate a religious figure, nor will it be the last. The Last Temptation of Christ was protested vigorously. The difference is that Bacile indirectly and inadvertently inflamed people half a world away, resulting in the deaths of U.S. Embassy personnel…
While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that other countries and cultures do not have to understand or respect our right. My condolences and prayers go out to the families of the U.S. Embassy employees killed in Libya.
3. Christiane Amanpour, an international reporter of some renown, treats the notion of free speech rather harshly in this interview with George Stephanopoulos. She likens making a crappy YouTube clip to “shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.” Because, as we all know, speech is most free when we make its acceptability contingent on the reaction of the recipient. I think that’s call the Violent Psycho’s Veto.
4. William Saletan of Slate, whose writing I often enjoy, claims it was Mitt Romney who betrayed free speech, not the Cairo embassy. Romney’s jump from the Cairo embassy’s statement to an accusation of “apologizing” for American values “embraced the illiberal Islamist mindset that led to the embassy invasion: To declare a movie offensive is to authorize its suppression.” Or something. He writes of the Cairo embassy’s response:
When you read the tweets alongside the initial statement, the message is clear. Free speech is a universal right. The Muslim-baiting movie is an abuse of that right. The embassy rejects the movie but defends free speech and condemns the invasion of its compound.
Does he believe a Christian-baiting or Mormon-baiting crappy YouTube clip is an “abuse of that right” worthy of condemnation by a mouthpiece of the U.S. government? I bet I could find a couple no fed has bothered to condemn yet, in order to affirm both our inclusiveness and our free speech. You know why? Because they shouldn’t, and they only do it when those baited are prone to violence.
As to whether it’s Romney who has “embraced the illiberal Islamist mindset that led to the embassy invasion: To declare a movie offensive is to authorize its suppression,” anyone think this kind of thing might have a little bit of a chilling effect? I’ll let Saletan have the last word:
I don’t know where you were born, Mr. Romney (just kidding!), but where I come from, there’s nothing more American than recognizing the idiocy of a man’s views and, at the same time, his right to express them. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, the main threat to our values right now isn’t President Obama, the Egyptians, the Libyans, or our diplomats in Cairo. It’s you.
5. L.A. Times writer James Rainey suggests Romney go all out and have a rally with pastor Terry Jones who, as noted above, had little to nothing to do with the creation of this crappy YouTube clip. Because affirming the First Amendment must mean he hearts Terry Jones and all he believes.
Jones could talk about why it’s so important to show that Muhammad has sexual designs on any warm object that isn’t bolted to the ground. And Mitt of Massachusetts could talk about why it’s so important to protect the right of Americans to don silly beards and costumes to dramatize such views.
Most people do thing that’s pretty important. Many people have died protecting the right to do just that, even when it ticks someone off.
6. The Rev. Steven Martin, writing for Huffington Post:
I have no sympathy for anyone who would assassinate a U.S. ambassador. But I have even less sympathy for filmmakers who spread hatred and for pastors who knowingly incite violence. Jones, and his love of the limelight, needs no further introduction. This latest incident seems to have been sparked by his promotion of a $5 million film produced and directed by Sam Bacile, a filmmaker living in Los Angeles. Being both a filmmaker and a pastor, I can relate to the responsibility both offices carry.
He has less sympathy for those who create crappy YouTube clips than those who would assassinate a U.S. ambassador? And again, Jones seems only to have agreed to screen the film if the crappy YouTube clip ever were to become a movie, but because his name is synonymous with “Muslim-baiting,” everyone jumped on including him in this story.
7. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs calls a pastor in Florida to ask him not to promote a crappy YouTube clip. I believe this has happened in the past, with officials calling Jones when he was threatening to burn Korans. I know the military has operational concerns, and I’m concerned about the safety of troops and diplomats, but having the nation’s high-ranking military officials ask people not to exercise their right to free speech is pretty chilling of free speech.
The military’s top uniformed leader decided on his own to phone an extremist Florida pastor linked to an inflammatory anti-Islamic online video, the Pentagon said Thursday – no one else asked him to do so.
Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey called Florida pastor Terry Jones on Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video that some reports have linked with anti-American unrest in the Muslim world, a spokesman said.
8. The U.S. Embassy in Cairo: Any list must include the kick-off capitulation on the free speech front this week, which came out of the Cairo embassy before it was overrun, but in an attempt to preemptively quell probable violent reactions to an anti-Islam YouTube clip.
The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.
As Matt Welch wrote at Reason, how hard is it for the government to avoid making a value judgment on each, individual piece of speech extremists use as a pretext for violence? “How hard is it to say, ‘In the United States, we’re not in the business of approving these messages.’?” Many conservatives, me included, were annoyed with the Bush administration’s preoccupation with condemning anti-Muslim speech as “offensive” before moving on to affirm First Amendment rights. This is arguably more problematic because there is no accompanying affirmation of free speech. Most of us are not in the habit of denigrating people’s religions willy nilly, but most of us aren’t official mouthpieces of the U.S. government overseas, which should be making clear that speech that “hurts feelings” is not an “abuse” of free speech.
Yes, there have been problems with interpreting the timing of the Cairo embassy’s statement, which came before it was overrun. But the embassy later stood by the statement via its Twitter account long after violence had started, and as Jamie Kirchick writes:
Why is apologizing for the First Amendment before our embassies are attacked any more defensible than apologizing for it after?
— Jamie Kirchick (@jkirchick) September 13, 2012
I’ll leave you with another Matt Welch piece, in Tablet, which says it all: A pretext to murder in Libya.
Update: 9. Oh, dear.
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Bipartisan outrage.
you heard it here first, folks…./
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 10:04 AM
He knows the knife cuts both ways. Our trolls don’t get it.
CW on May 13, 2013 at 10:04 AM
Too bad we don’t have a number of conservative types like Kucinich that don’t sugar coat their answers. Sure there’s not much wiggle room with these two scandals, but he could have tried to verbally joust his way out like Jan Williams with the talking point “There’s nothing new here”
dirtseller on May 13, 2013 at 10:11 AM
unlike most democrats kucinich proves that he’s not like most other democrats, he can think for himeself. At the end of the day he’s still a democrat.
phatfawzi on May 13, 2013 at 10:12 AM
Kucinich 2016.
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hillsoftx on May 13, 2013 at 10:13 AM
How’s he feel about Hillary’s Youtube Guy political prisoner?
forest on May 13, 2013 at 10:13 AM
Indeed Mr. Kucinich….Many Americans are offended by this betrayal.
workingclass artist on May 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM
Nah, libtards will discount this, b/c Tin Foil Hat Man said this on Fox. So in their small minds it doesn’t count. Even after 30 years of far left, communist style politics.
Lance Murdock on May 13, 2013 at 10:15 AM
Broken clock and all that…
catmman on May 13, 2013 at 10:15 AM
Let’s hope he is a Dem. ’16 nominee and gets to debate Cankles…on 2nd thought, maybe he can debate her over the prison intercom phone..
hillsoftx on May 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM
I have my issues with Kucinich, but one thing about him is true: what you see is what you get. Something like this would never have happened if he was POTUS.
Bob's Kid on May 13, 2013 at 10:16 AM
I’m not terribly surprised. Kucinich is a delusional lefty, but he has always struck me as a relatively honest delusional lefty.
Fenris on May 13, 2013 at 10:17 AM
♪♫ The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round ♪♫
Axe on May 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM
Plus the båstard wakes up every morning to this. http://www.polichicksonline.com/jackie-kucinich%20bigheaddc.jpg
Seth Halpern on May 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM
wow, and just think, we’d be a lot better off with Dennis the Menace as POTUS than Zer0.
The news just keeps getting more chilling everyday.
kirkill on May 13, 2013 at 10:19 AM
He’s still a leftist hysteric,.. but at least he’s consistent on principle.. that you have to give him credit for.
Name any other democrat who’s ethics aren’t entirely based on who’s doing wrong and how can they spin it to their party’s advantage, crime or no crime on their part?
not many.
The modern DNC is little more than a Power through any means, fair or foul criminal organization.
mark81150 on May 13, 2013 at 10:21 AM
A liberal with a conscience, a true rarity in Washington.
Tater Salad on May 13, 2013 at 10:22 AM
He’s an honest leftist who will always tell you where he’s coming from. That puts him above 99% of the garbage that IS today’s Democrat Party and will get a small amount of Wellstone like respect from me.
MNHawk on May 13, 2013 at 10:22 AM
Our trolls are morons. Our trolls’ dear leaders, on the other hand, are starting to run like their hair’s on fire. I’m surprised by this. They’ve seemed pretty fearless lately. Obdurate, emboldened. But this newest stuff is starting to look like panic. :)
Anyway, I’m pro-progressive-panic.
Axe on May 13, 2013 at 10:23 AM
Yeah, when I saw this yesterday, I got light-headed and had to sit down.
WannabeAnglican on May 13, 2013 at 10:25 AM
living proof, women do not fall for men based on looks alone.. money, power, and the left wing groupie thang all in a perfect storm to get a model type beauty for such an under the bridge dwelling troll.
mark81150 on May 13, 2013 at 10:25 AM
Kucinich is more critical of these 2 issues than former GOP Congressman Morning Joe. One wouldn’t think that could possibly be the case, until they look at who signs each of their paychecks.
Democrat Commentators on Fox News are more likely to be critical of the DNC and Republican commentators on MSNBC are more likely to be critical of the GOP.
MSNBC is pure politics and is nothing compared to Fox News. Fox News actually does investigative journalism.
But my previous point still stands. I don’t know that Kucinich would be this critical of the DNC if he were employed by MSNBC, which is probably why he isn’t employed by MSNBC.
The fact that MSNBC is so rabidly leftwing actually hurts Fox News in that people assume Fox News is just the right’s version of MSNBC which is far from the truth.
weaselyone on May 13, 2013 at 10:27 AM
Has anyone checked the temperature in H3ll this morning?
Bitter Clinger on May 13, 2013 at 10:27 AM
“Funny tweet”
Rovin on May 13, 2013 at 10:28 AM
Dennis has become the Menace.
docflash on May 13, 2013 at 10:30 AM
I can’t remember, why did we go after Moammar Qaddafi? I thought he folded like a cheap suit when W went into Iraq and wasn’t even a player anymore.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 10:30 AM
The trolls I’ve seen seem to not much care wether a lefty does wrong, just how can they spin it to make the GOP guilty of worse..
Booooosh is the usual lament..
then Reagan, Nixon..
Because imaginary republican crimes in a liberals head always trump a real liberals high crimes and misdemeanors.
still, their lack of a presence here on these threads says a lot.
Either waiting for the spin talking points in a crying jag, or hoping against hope some event gives them a trumped up reason to scream we’re worser than Hitler again.
mark81150 on May 13, 2013 at 10:31 AM
From the Daily Caller:
I kind of feel sorry for David Cameron. This would be like having a press conference the day after Bill Clinton shook his finger and said, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”. Perhaps Cameron should take the opportunity to hand Obama some DVD’s and say, “would you care to revise these Mr. Obama”—-”and no, we don’t need 12 revisions”.
Rovin on May 13, 2013 at 10:32 AM
And above many of the GOP.
davidk on May 13, 2013 at 10:32 AM
What’s a ‘Froner’?
Midas on May 13, 2013 at 10:32 AM
I’ll say that this puts him above 99% of both parties.
I lived in Madison, WI and Berkeley, CA in quick succession. I got the vibe from Berkeley that they were Liberal until it interfered with their dog’s spa and detox. In Madison, I felt like they were liberal come heck or high water, and I respected that a lot more.
Not to say that he’s right about much… but I’ll trust him completely with his own honor. High praise.
Prufrock on May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM
DITTO.
And Kucinich, though an admitted Socialist in his interpretations of democracy, does, at least and to his credit, focus his reasoning on the Constitution — he’s outraged, as I know I am, that such corruption of ethics has/is occurring. It speaks beyond political range, it’s a betrayal, clearly violation of, ethics, Benghazi is.
Lourdes on May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM
Congress understands that procedural fairness is critical in a democratic body because you never know who will be in power next. Thus, in 2005, Republicans backed away from getting rid of the Senate filibuster, and in 2013 Dingy Harry Reid also backed away from it.
But Obama just doesn’t care. It’s all about raw power for its own sake with him. He doesn’t realize that he’s opening the door to having a Republican IRS in the future start targetting all the Soros, et al. groups for harassment. Or, whitewashing matters of national security.
The whole thing is shameful.
Outlander on May 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM
There’s not much Kucinich says that I can agree with, but I’ve long respected the guy. I believe he loves this country, he’s intelligent, he’s not full of vitriol, and he’s pretty much a straight shooter. That puts him miles ahead of most Dems today.
petefrt on May 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM
‘Toons of the Day: ‘I Did Not Have A Factual Relationship With That Man, Ben Ghazi!’
Resist We Much on May 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM
My thoughts exactly. I don’t agree with him on much but he has consistent positions based on his (very wrong) principles. That gets him a little respect unlike his former colleagues who simply ask themselves WWOD.
Happy Nomad on May 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM
Brother Kucinich could give the current administration (and Dear Leader in particular) a lesson on the definition of “transparency”.
connertown on May 13, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Don’t get to excited about agreeing with Rep. Kucinich. It’s never helpful when the conversation ends with “he’s the one that was abducted by space aliens, right?”.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM
When you find out, let me know.
davidk on May 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM
Wow, that seems like a tough way to avoid being profiled by rogue IRS agents. ;0
Happy Nomad on May 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM
Ot: jury deadlocked on a couple of.counts for gosnell
WTF?
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM
the trolls here are “Potted Plants”
kirkill on May 13, 2013 at 10:40 AM
EWWW!
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 10:40 AM
You misspelled “thump” a few times.
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 10:40 AM
Emphasis on which word?
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 10:41 AM
I saw that, two out of how many? I’m starting to worry this guy is going to get off with a slap on the wrist.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 10:41 AM
I really wish Sarah Palin had said this…..but Newt will do.
Rovin on May 13, 2013 at 10:42 AM
Because, while you are correct about Qaddafi, we decided to confiscate Libyan weapons for the “Arab Spring” in Syria.
Qaddafi had gotten very frail (remember his rambling speech at the UN, which immediately preceded Obama’s?) and his even more crazy son was being groomed to take the reigns.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 13, 2013 at 10:42 AM
Uhh…that’s his daughter. This is his (second) wife.
steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM
Sultan Knish brilliantly compares Hillary Clinton to Lady Macbeth. And HRC comes off as the more despicable of the two. But what difference, at this point, does it make?
http://sultanknish.blogspot.ca/2013/05/with-blood-on-their-hands.html#comment-form
Basilsbest on May 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM
Is that like going from the frying pan to the fire?
Bitter Clinger on May 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM
LOL
Um, Ed – you might want to edit the first bits of this piece in a hurry.
Midas on May 13, 2013 at 10:44 AM
Cindy
258 according to the headline post
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 10:45 AM
She won Dennis in a box of Crackerjack.
slickwillie2001 on May 13, 2013 at 10:45 AM
That won’t stop Obama and almost all the other liberal democrats from lying about it.
The Rogue Tomato on May 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM
I get quite the education on this website.
davidk on May 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM
@steebo77: Whatever you say. They all look alike.
Seth Halpern on May 13, 2013 at 10:50 AM
At least the Kuch walks the talk.
The kooks over at DU think it is just dandy to have a leftist government attack political opposition. Scratch a progressive, find a fascist.
jukin3 on May 13, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Thanks, I will run away to read. But in the mean time, Dang it!!!
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM
https://twitter.com/BenjiBacker/status/333628747855065089/photo/1
davidk on May 13, 2013 at 10:54 AM
The Dennis Kucinich entry from ‘Vote Democrat for Realism and Sanity!’*
* Created after a Prog spammed a site in 2009 with the post: ‘Vote Democrat for Realism and Sanity!!!’
Resist We Much on May 13, 2013 at 10:54 AM
No surprise there.. in 03 and 04 they were doing threads about how American military families were all really Nazi’s and our GI’s brownshirted thugs just aching to hunt down liberals and shoot black people.. I kid you not.. then when other sites picked it up, they ghosted those threads quicker than Monica was escorted out the backdoor of the Billy Bo Bob WH.
mark81150 on May 13, 2013 at 10:58 AM
I’m amazed at the number of stories that have come out in the past few days, including ABC’s Jonathan Karl. He’s getting credit for the dogged research and reporting by Steven Hayes of Weekly Standard, who is not being mentioned for the most part. Not surprising, but disappointing.
scalleywag on May 13, 2013 at 10:59 AM
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM
OH, CHIT !!!!!
pambi on May 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM
It’s the imaginary land where liberal policies actually work.
Odysseus on May 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM
I really love that. :)
Axe on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM
“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” – Barack Obama, November 1, 2008.
The only (public) campaign promise he ever kept.
Sacramento on May 13, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Even though he is to the left, he sees where this Obama administration is heading and all though he doesn’t think like me, I believe even this is too far out there.
When you combine it with the killing of our embassador and three others it is a CRIME!!
Delsa on May 13, 2013 at 11:22 AM
Kucinich is nuts, even by Democratic standards, but a hack he is not. He calls it like he sees it, and while we certainly don’t need more Kuciniches in Washington, we could use more people with that attribute.
LukeinNE on May 13, 2013 at 11:24 AM
I read this as “former Rep. Dennis Kucinich” which gave me a stiffy knowing that he is no longer affecting policy.
joeeddie on May 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM
Didn’t Kucinich & Ron Paul have some kind of Bromance going on when both thought they were still relevant & Presidential material?
Blind Squirrel (policies), Two Nuts..
/shrug
BlaxPac on May 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM
So the Benghazi Fiasco is obvious to even a space cadet like Dennis?
Great, but the mainsteam media either doesn’t see or will continue as active coconspirators with the administration to cover it up.
krome on May 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM
I like Dennis Kucinich, not because of his politics and not because of his smokin’ hot wife, but because he is intellectually honest and philosophically consistent. That’s honorable.
halfastro on May 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM
LOL!!! I admit that the urban dictionary reference isn’t Ed’s normal style.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM
Speak for yourself, Ed.
chimney sweep on May 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM
Minnesota is showing signs that things are cooling below.
LoganSix on May 13, 2013 at 11:46 AM
It is like Jerry in the show “Parks and Rec”
LoganSix on May 13, 2013 at 11:47 AM
Some of you may not like Dennis but he has it right and you should give credit when credit is due.
Delsa on May 13, 2013 at 11:47 AM
But…but…but ROGUE agents in the government are to blame! Just ask Barry and Hillary!
Solyndra, Tesla, Fast and Furious, Benghazi……ALL ROUGE agents of the ‘vast right wing conspiracy’.
GarandFan on May 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM
I don’t care what he says.
Fallujah.
he can go f* himself.
dmacleo on May 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM
Jeeze louise, is Krazy Denny still around? I thought he got shuffled off to Montana or some such.
mojo on May 13, 2013 at 12:42 PM
Emphasis on both words, Steve. Maybe not equal emphasis, depending on how close it is to 4:20PM.
novaculus on May 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Maybe for President of France.
trigon on May 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Dennis doesn’t need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
He has his insane moments but he is a shrewd pol who understands sausage-making political realities. He has constituencies, albeit small, scattered across the political spectrum, too, which isn’t easy to do. The fact he is jumping out front on these scandals should trouble Obama deeply.
novaculus on May 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Oh good! Finally, somebody even more moderate than Romney! How long till the NRO and Weekly Standard and RNC start pushing him for 2016?
John_G on May 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM
I believe we’re entitled to the IRS employees names and addresses.
We can send them some information on ethics and honesty.
Then, after a sufficient period, we can visit them to check and see if they learned anything.
There is no statute of limitations on STUPID and CORRUPT.
III
dirtengineer on May 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM
Dennis Kucinich is a little … out there. But he’s always been fairly honest. For a politician.
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 13, 2013 at 6:45 PM
This point is devastating… The Military is using as an excuse they didn’t do anything because they didn’t want to put any Military personnel in peril to save American’s… But they didn’t have any problem doing the same helping Alqueda in Libya… WTF… Why is Mr. Kucinich the only one asking this… There is no answer to this by anybody… Other then what’s that Hillary & Obama wanted…
Juan just laughs, and laughs while acting like he is the most clueless person on earth…
Y314K on May 13, 2013 at 7:38 PM
He is the Eugene McCarthy of our era.
dverplank on May 13, 2013 at 9:05 PM
Well, that’s the LAST we’ll hear from Mr. Kucinich.
Dennis, a word of advice, if anyone, ANYONE gives you an important message to head for Ft. Marcy Park … DON’T GO!
And America? How’s that Hope and Change, moving FORWARD working for ya NOW?
52% morons.
And the Manure Spreading Media? Go phuck yourselves. With a vengeance.
Missilengr on May 13, 2013 at 11:08 PM
About what I expect from Kucinich. If there is too much to ignore, Kucinich won’t.
Axeman on May 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM