The eight dumbest things said about free speech this week

posted at 2:41 pm on September 14, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Oh, the competition is fierce, what with many who should know better leaping to denounce “denigration of religion” and “hurting feelings” when the poking the religion and feelings in question might lead to an irrational, violent response to a YouTube video that looks like it was made in my parents’ basement with a camcorder circa 1987. Old and busted: Breezy requests that those offended “turn the channel” or “chill out” and brave, indignant battle cries for free speech in the face of those who don’t actually threaten it. New hotness: Respecting the right of those doing violence not to be offended by our speech.

1. Mike Barnicle was out of the box fast on the morning of 9/12 with this ludicrous suggestion on “Morning Joe.” He thinks a pastor in Florida, who allegedly backed the anti-Islam YouTube clip which is allegedly causing all this fuss, should be prosecuted by the Department of Justice as an accessory to murder. It was later found pastor Terry Jones had little to nothing to do with the YouTube clip in question. I wonder if Barnicle later found a copy of the Constitution.

2. Anthea Butler, tenured professor at the prestigious University of Pennsylvania will have you asking, “what is our children learning?” Butler first tweeted, “Good Morning. How soon is Sam Bacile going to be in jail folks? I need him to go now.When Americans die because you are stupid…And people do to jail for speech. First Amendment doesn’t cover EVERYTHING a PERSON says.” Butler then took to the pages of a national newspaper to defend her view. Read the whole thing:

If there is anyone who values free speech, it is a tenured professor!

So why did I tweet that Bacile should be in jail? The “free speech” in Bacile’s film is not about expressing a personal opinion about Islam. It denigrates the religion by depicting the faith’s founder in several ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes to incite and inflame viewers. Even the film’s actors say they were duped.

Bacile’s movie is not the first to denigrate a religious figure, nor will it be the last. The Last Temptation of Christ was protested vigorously. The difference is that Bacile indirectly and inadvertently inflamed people half a world away, resulting in the deaths of U.S. Embassy personnel…

While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that other countries and cultures do not have to understand or respect our right. My condolences and prayers go out to the families of the U.S. Embassy employees killed in Libya.

3. Christiane Amanpour, an international reporter of some renown, treats the notion of free speech rather harshly in this interview with George Stephanopoulos. She likens making a crappy YouTube clip to “shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.” Because, as we all know, speech is most free when we make its acceptability contingent on the reaction of the recipient. I think that’s call the Violent Psycho’s Veto.



4. William Saletan
of Slate, whose writing I often enjoy, claims it was Mitt Romney who betrayed free speech, not the Cairo embassy. Romney’s jump from the Cairo embassy’s statement to an accusation of “apologizing” for American values “embraced the illiberal Islamist mindset that led to the embassy invasion: To declare a movie offensive is to authorize its suppression.” Or something. He writes of the Cairo embassy’s response:

When you read the tweets alongside the initial statement, the message is clear. Free speech is a universal right. The Muslim-baiting movie is an abuse of that right. The embassy rejects the movie but defends free speech and condemns the invasion of its compound.

Does he believe a Christian-baiting or Mormon-baiting crappy YouTube clip is an “abuse of that right” worthy of condemnation by a mouthpiece of the U.S. government? I bet I could find a couple no fed has bothered to condemn yet, in order to affirm both our inclusiveness and our free speech. You know why? Because they shouldn’t, and they only do it when those baited are prone to violence.

As to whether it’s Romney who has “embraced the illiberal Islamist mindset that led to the embassy invasion: To declare a movie offensive is to authorize its suppression,” anyone think this kind of thing might have a little bit of a chilling effect? I’ll let Saletan have the last word:

I don’t know where you were born, Mr. Romney (just kidding!), but where I come from, there’s nothing more American than recognizing the idiocy of a man’s views and, at the same time, his right to express them. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, the main threat to our values right now isn’t President Obama, the Egyptians, the Libyans, or our diplomats in Cairo. It’s you.

5. L.A. Times writer James Rainey suggests Romney go all out and have a rally with pastor Terry Jones who, as noted above, had little to nothing to do with the creation of this crappy YouTube clip. Because affirming the First Amendment must mean he hearts Terry Jones and all he believes.

Jones could talk about why it’s so important to show that Muhammad has sexual designs on any warm object that isn’t bolted to the ground. And Mitt of Massachusetts could talk about why it’s so important to protect the right of Americans to don silly beards and costumes to dramatize such views.

Most people do thing that’s pretty important. Many people have died protecting the right to do just that, even when it ticks someone off.

6. The Rev. Steven Martin, writing for Huffington Post:

I have no sympathy for anyone who would assassinate a U.S. ambassador. But I have even less sympathy for filmmakers who spread hatred and for pastors who knowingly incite violence. Jones, and his love of the limelight, needs no further introduction. This latest incident seems to have been sparked by his promotion of a $5 million film produced and directed by Sam Bacile, a filmmaker living in Los Angeles. Being both a filmmaker and a pastor, I can relate to the responsibility both offices carry.

He has less sympathy for those who create crappy YouTube clips than those who would assassinate a U.S. ambassador? And again, Jones seems only to have agreed to screen the film if the crappy YouTube clip ever were to become a movie, but because his name is synonymous with “Muslim-baiting,” everyone jumped on including him in this story.

7. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs calls a pastor in Florida to ask him not to promote a crappy YouTube clip. I believe this has happened in the past, with officials calling Jones when he was threatening to burn Korans. I know the military has operational concerns, and I’m concerned about the safety of troops and diplomats, but having the nation’s high-ranking military officials ask people not to exercise their right to free speech is pretty chilling of free speech.

The military’s top uniformed leader decided on his own to phone an extremist Florida pastor linked to an inflammatory anti-Islamic online video, the Pentagon said Thursday – no one else asked him to do so.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey called Florida pastor Terry Jones on Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video that some reports have linked with anti-American unrest in the Muslim world, a spokesman said.

8. The U.S. Embassy in Cairo: Any list must include the kick-off capitulation on the free speech front this week, which came out of the Cairo embassy before it was overrun, but in an attempt to preemptively quell probable violent reactions to an anti-Islam YouTube clip.

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

As Matt Welch wrote at Reason, how hard is it for the government to avoid making a value judgment on each, individual piece of speech extremists use as a pretext for violence? “How hard is it to say, ‘In the United States, we’re not in the business of approving these messages.’?” Many conservatives, me included, were annoyed with the Bush administration’s preoccupation with condemning anti-Muslim speech as “offensive” before moving on to affirm First Amendment rights. This is arguably more problematic because there is no accompanying affirmation of free speech. Most of us are not in the habit of denigrating people’s religions willy nilly, but most of us aren’t official mouthpieces of the U.S. government overseas, which should be making clear that speech that “hurts feelings” is not an “abuse” of free speech.

Yes, there have been problems with interpreting the timing of the Cairo embassy’s statement, which came before it was overrun. But the embassy later stood by the statement via its Twitter account long after violence had started, and as Jamie Kirchick writes:

I’ll leave you with another Matt Welch piece, in Tablet, which says it all: A pretext to murder in Libya.

Update: 9. Oh, dear.


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The glories of “free speech,” to these filthy, Commies, is a crucifix in a jar of piss.

That is to be glorified. That is hallowed speech, to these filthy, Commie pagans.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 14, 2012 at 3:30 PM

verbaluce on September 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Pardon me. I haven’t heard Schadenfreude ‘say’ anything. I’ve only read written posts. If you are hearing Schadenfreude speak, perhaps a check up is in order.

thatsafactjack on September 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

In Mary Katharine’s defense:

My own computer has been twitchy since last night, and I’ve seen posts from at least two other poster’s who have been experiencing unusual glitches, generally small, with their computer’s, as well.

Not sure what to make of it.

That SkyNet is becoming aware…..its time has come now that we have the cheetah-bot, which lacks ony a laser beam on its forehead to be perfect.

JFKY on September 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Our hearts go out to the families of the tens of thousands of victims of this senseless act of nuclear terrorism in Tel Aviv. The perpetrators of this heinous act will be brought to justice–whatever the cost and no matter how long it takes. There is no justification for atrocities like this. The people of the United States mourn along with our Israeli friends. At the same time we once again reiterate our firm commitment to respect Islam and its prophet Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon him. This act of nuclear terrorism can never be used as a reason to oppress or offend our brothers and sisters in Islam. To that end, we have introduced legislation that will strongly protect Muslims from the kind of callous insult about the Prophet (PBUH) that helped spark the tragedy yesterday…

Ready for use when you need it, Barry.

spiritof61 on September 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Mitt Romney
lexhamfox on September 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Romney called it criminal or as an understandable incitement to violence?

I don’t think Romney should have talked about the video an instead just said we’re free in America to express ourselves even if it’s offense but his comments were not in the same category as detailed here. Romney did also stick up for our values while the others just wring their hands about the “hate” speech blah blah blah.

gwelf on September 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Or Verbaluce’s next comment.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM

or sesqui’s – they’re outdoing each other today.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM
They can’t help themselves, they are after all, imbeciles studying to be morons, and failing miserably.

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Sesqui’s attempt to use “legal terms of art” and chop logic while people are dead and dying was truely an amazing.
No other trolls dared jump on that wagon.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

The slain Ambassador is like the slain border guard, unexpected collateral damage.

BL@KBIRD on September 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM

But even worse because it is not truly unexpected, is it? A very likely outcome of the actions taken (letting guns walk) or not taken (failing to secure the embassy).

dont taze me bro on September 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

…why aren’t people up in arms…let alone alarmed in this country?

KOOLAID2 on September 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

If this was a GOP administration and the right-wing making suggestions like this, liberal groups would be talking about taking up arms…

JohnGalt23 on September 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Hey, Mitt just said that your president exudes nicety and calm demeanor or some such sh*t.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Ya know, I could take even that from Romney, IF he would follow it with a blistering, scathing attack on his record. But too often he doesn’t. He just throws it out there with some milquetoast criticism or no serious follow-up at all.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

dont taze me bro on September 14, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Sacrifices the administration is willing to make.

dont taze me bro on September 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Didn’t the liberals blame Mitt for politicizing this tragedy? And what are they up to today with the “casket ceremony”? It’s all projection – they falsely accuse their opponents for the things they are doing or about to do. Yes, there is a pattern here.

johnnybgood on September 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

They can’t help themselves, they are after all, imbeciles studying to be morons, and failing miserably.

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

You’re standards are unreachable. I think they have the moron thing down pat.

SKYFOX on September 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

From VDH:

should we laugh or cry to watch supposedly liberal civil libertarians in the administration fall all over themselves attacking the video as much as, or more than, those who would destroy or murder any whose expression bothers them

gwelf on September 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

He just throws it out there with some milquetoast criticism or no serious follow-up at all.

petefrt on September 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM

It’s Mitt Romney. His weakness means no easy win in November. I still think that he’s headed for a clear victory–that Obama is a disaster is apparent even to the ignorant by now–but failure to exploit his opponent’s fumbling errors as they occur comes with the candidate, I’m afraid.

spiritof61 on September 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Didn’t the liberals blame Mitt for politicizing this tragedy? And what are they up to today with the “casket ceremony”? It’s all projection – they falsely accuse their opponents for the things they are doing or about to do. Yes, there is a pattern here.

johnnybgood on September 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Yes, very true. And yet, SO much worse. Mitt’s statement was made before he or the public knew about Benghazi. The White House knew…and exploited it. The administration FAILED TO SECURE THE EMBASSY. Their failure contributed to the loss of those four Americans. They exploit that failure by taking advantage of it as a campaign stop / casket prop photo op. The hypocrisy aspect in this is huge, yes. But it is a relatively minor consideration relatively to the brazen naked ugly incompetence and political opportunism demonstrated.

dont taze me bro on September 14, 2012 at 3:47 PM

The eight examples of stupidity you mention all have one thing in common: They fail to actually understand the First Amendment!

Those that I’ve read have a second thing in common: They make assumptions that are incorrect and then argue from their faulty foundation.

Considering most of them are media types who frequently hide behind the First Amendment when it serves their purpose, it is disturbing that they lack a fundamental understanding of a doctrine they claim to regard as vital.

But given the media’s underwhelming performance on Jeopardy this week, I guess I should not be surprised. They really are not that intelligent or well-versed.

EdmundBurke247 on September 14, 2012 at 3:51 PM

For those of us that appreciate the value of protecting all free speech even when we find it offensive, the people that are trying to squelch it should realize this is the stuff revolutions are made of. Be careful for what you wish for. Liberals never seem to understand the result of unintended consequences.

Deano1952 on September 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Is there any part of the constitution liberals like?

The Notorious G.O.P on September 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

In the immortal words of (IIRC) J. C. Watts:

“I make it a practice of good citizenship to support the entire Bill of Rights, and not just the amendments that happen to suit me.”

Owen Glendower on September 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Is there any part of the constitution liberals like?

The Good and Necessary Clause?

JFKY on September 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Is there any part of the constitution liberals like?

The Notorious G.O.P on September 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

All of it, whenever it applies to themselves and their monetary supporters.

None of it when their opponents use it against the democrats’ positions.

AZfederalist on September 14, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Also, just for the record–again–the First Amendment merely enumerates a right which pre-dates the Constitution, and which therefore exists independent of the Constitution.

Does no one take Civics in 8th grade any more, and American Government in high school? Both were required classes when I went to school.

Owen Glendower on September 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Amanpour’s constitutional logic is embarrassingly awful. The ruling doesn’t say that one cannot make a mockery or extreme criticism of something (= crying fire) if it upsets some people so much they will chose (freely) to cause violence. Need I say more?

Chessplayer on September 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Also, just for the record–again–the First Amendment merely enumerates a right which pre-dates the Constitution, and which therefore exists independent of the Constitution.

I’m sorry I’m a Positivist…no right pre-dates the US Constitution. God/Yhwh didn’t give us any rights, we granted ourselves these rights, in a document, the Constitution and the BoR. Doesn’t amke’em any less sacrosanct, any less valuable, any less worth defending, but truly no one has the rights beyond those that one can seize, hold and protect…and No God or Constitution gives you any rights beyond that.

JFKY on September 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

A quick question – is the film on Mohammed actually inaccurate based on what is known of his life?

kirkbride on September 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

I’d like to enter this in to the eight dumbest posts about free speech. Also, gotta be a serious contender for one of the eight dumbest people to blog about free speech.

tommyhawk on September 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Update: 9. Oh, dear.

Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the National Security Council, told the Washington Post that the White House has “reached out to YouTube to call the video to their attention and ask them to review whether it violates their terms of use.”The request complies with the Sept. 13 demand and threat by the brotherhood, which now governs the Arab’s world’s largest country, Egypt.

“Hurting the feelings of one and a half billion Muslims cannot be tolerated, and… we demand that all those involved in such crimes be urgently brought to trial,” according to an English-language statement on the brotherhood’s website.

The brotherhood’s demand included a threat of additional violence during Obama’s re-election campaign.

“The people’s anger and fury for their Faith is invariably predictable, often unstoppable,” said the website.

The submission came shortly after White House spokesman Jay Carney publicly disavowed any plans to curb free speech.

“We cannot and will not squelch freedom of expression in this country — it is a foundational principle,” he told reporters at a 11.15 a.m. press conference in the White House.

Heh.

a capella on September 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

tommyhawk on September 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

So, what do you make of Carney’s spin?

a capella on September 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I’d like to enter this in to the eight dumbest posts about free speech. Also, gotta be a serious contender for one of the eight dumbest people to blog about free speech.

tommyhawk on September 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

OK, duly noted, your post is thus entered and definitely meets the criteria. Congratulations.

AZfederalist on September 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

They can’t help themselves, they are after all, imbeciles studying to be morons, and failing miserably.

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

You’re standards are unreachable. I think they have the moron thing down pat.

SKYFOX on September 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

ROTFLMAO… Sorry, it’s actually a Robert Heinlein quote (From the 1948 Novel Space Cadet). ;p

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Does no one take Civics in 8th grade any more, and American Government in high school? Both were required classes when I went to school.

Owen Glendower on September 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Welcome to ‘old age’. :)

Solaratov on September 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Liberals are all for free speech… so long as they like it.

Once you go off the reservation it is: banning, imprisonment, and putting those merely exercising free speech below barbarian killers who will find ANY excuse to kill.

I’m just glad there is still time to stock up on ammo to that free speech can be defended from those who are its sunshine backers, and from those who seek to end it and freedom of thought. Right now those two groups are walking hand in hand.

ajacksonian on September 14, 2012 at 4:28 PM

At what point (please say, “Anytime after November,”) do we tell these 9th century primitives burning our property and murdering our citizens that such speech is protected under our laws, and if they don’t like it they can go pound sand, of which they have p-l-e-n-t-y.

And that the next time a few hundred of those practitioners of the ‘religion of peace’ feel like milling around our embassy giving us the stink-eye, we will ‘shoot first’ and send in some hellfires to immolate the whole festering lot of them.

CaptFlood on September 14, 2012 at 4:31 PM

IMHO, this all laying the groundwork for making ridiculing religion, not any religion, but only ONE religion, Islam HATE SPEECH and not afforded First Amendment rights. Next will be ridiculing politicians, not any politicians, but only ONE party, democrat party.

PC speech was just the beginning of making speech illegal. Buy your guns and ammo while the Second Amendment is still around.

jukin3 on September 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM

ROTFLMAO… Sorry, it’s actually a Robert Heinlein quote (From the 1948 Novel Space Cadet). ;p

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Those SciFi writers really could predict the future. How’d they see todays’s liberals ?
Always likes the “Foundation” series.At least I think that was Heinlein

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I think I like #2 the best. It starts off appealing to some bizarre stereotype I’ve never heard of:

If there is anyone who values free speech, it is a tenured professor!

and then proceeds to rebut that illusive stereotype:

While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that other countries and cultures do not have to understand or respect our right

BlueCollarAstronaut on September 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Does no one take Civics in 8th grade any more, and American Government in high school? Both were required classes when I went to school.

Owen Glendower on September 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

The kids still take classes in government. Unfortunately, the classes are “taught” by illiterate, Che t-shirt wearing Marxist morons who don’t have the first clue what they’re talking about, and whose educational “credentials” are not worth the paper they’re printed on.

AZCoyote on September 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM

verbaluce on September 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM

You couldn’t stop me if you tried. Your ‘liberalism’ is truly moving :) I’m Voltarian. You are free to make an utter fool of yourself, any time. You still live in America, one assumes.

tafj, thanks for watching.

Schadenfreude on September 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM

American Journalism Has Been Officially Outsourced

Mutnodjmet on September 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM

When you read the tweets alongside the initial statement, the message is clear. Free speech is a universal right. The Muslim-baiting movie is an abuse of that right.

BINGO! Now we’re on to something.

The conventional criteria for what constitutes an abuse of the 1st Amendment is when someone shouts “fire” in a movie theater.

The Liberal criteria for what constitutes an abuse of the 1st Amendment is when someone says something that is offensive to people who belong to a Liberal sanctioned “victim group”.

The 1st Amendment creates an unlimited amount of possibilities for an unlimited amount of people to be offended by an unlimited amount of statements, jokes, works of art, books, screenplays, op ed pieces, etc, etc. The fact that people get offended by these attempts to mock and offend is the price of living in a free society. But it doesn’t mean that the 1st Amendment is inherently flawed. It’s not a flaw, because not only do people have conflicting opinions on every issue under the sun, but people also vary wildly in regards to their sense of humor. Is the potential to be offended a consequence of the 1st Amendment? Yes. But a flaw? No.

Yet to Liberals, it’s just not right that a White stand up comic can make jokes about Black people, while it’s fine for a Black stand up comic to make jokes about White people. It’s all about the history of the oppressor and the oppressed. The fact that Liberals coined the term “hate speech” to apply to anything that they think people shouldn’t be allowed to say, shows that they do think that the 1st Amendment is inherently flawed. And anytime they can point to an example of this perceived flaw, they label it as an “abuse”.

ardenenoch on September 14, 2012 at 4:39 PM

A quick question – is the film on Mohammed actually inaccurate based on what is known of his life?

kirkbride on September 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Well, if you want to make a degrading shock film you couldn’t do better than let Mos official ‘Slum respected biography stand as it is. So I expect it is verbatim to the Sunna.

BL@KBIRD on September 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Violence is not and never has been a legitimate exercise of free speech. You riot, you get rounded up. But a video criticizing some group seems to be an exception to universal rights. In some places, it’s justification to kill, destroy property, etc. How long before we just stop giving them foreign aid and close our embassies? Iran still thinks it was justified to invade our embassy and take our diplomats hostage. That’s how Ahmadinejad began his political career.

It’s really tiresome that we accept the obligation to protect peace when all we’re doing is to keep the lid on the pressure cooker. I’ve always been told that isolationism is not possible in the modern world, but I don’t think we can afford to keep hemmorhaging money to the third world until we get our own finances under control and the economy at full speed again.

As far as stupid things being said by the media, it’s no longer news. They’re a bunch of hypocrites and lapdogs for Obama and can’t examine their own statements honestly. They wouldn’t know fairness if it sat on their faces and wiggled.

flataffect on September 14, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Those SciFi writers really could predict the future. How’d they see todays’s liberals ?
Always likes the “Foundation” series.At least I think that was Heinlein

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

What really gets me is people posting things like this on the internet that would literally take *five seconds* to look up.

ASIMOV.

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Always likes the “Foundation” series.At least I think that was Heinlein

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

The Foundation Series was Issac Asimov. ;p

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM

What really gets me is people posting things like this on the internet that would literally take *five seconds* to look up.

ASIMOV.

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 4:46 PM

If that’s all it takes to get you, you must have a pretty sad and tragic life, so amazingly full of disappointment and despair.

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

What really gets me is people posting things like this on the internet that would literally take *five seconds* to look up.

ASIMOV.

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 4:46 PM

My apologies. Really. I did not look it up and did note I was not sure.
Good books all the same.
Sorry to offend.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

#9 – Oh dear indeed. What is our Country becoming???

AS far as I’m concerned killing a US Ambassador is an attack on the US.

Ann on September 14, 2012 at 4:57 PM

If that’s all it takes to get you, you must have a pretty sad and tragic life, so amazingly full of disappointment and despair.

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I’m sorry that my snarky reminder that research is easy has created such a philosophical crisis of false empathy for you.

Sorry to offend.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

It’s not a question of offense, it’s just *so easy* to get things right!

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I’m sorry that my snarky reminder that research is easy has created such a philosophical crisis of false empathy for you.

Sorry to offend.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

It’s not a question of offense, it’s just *so easy* to get things right!

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM

And I’m genuinely sorry you feel the need to be such an anally retentive p.r.i.c.k on the intertubes…

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM

It’s not a question of offense, it’s just *so easy* to get things right!

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Why yes it is. It is also easy to see that this blog is about dumb things said regarding free speech.
It is *so easy* to look it up. Right ?
Any comments on the topic ?

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 5:07 PM

MKH why in the world did you take the time to post such a sensible argument for First Amendment Rights? From what I’ve been reading, this problem has nothing to do with the Constitution, but Mr. Romney’s speaking out of line. Just ask: Bill O’Reilly, Brit Hume, Greta, Scarborough, George Will and a number of other so called conservatives. If these people are part of conservatism, then I won’t no part of it. Stay strong Mitt, us regular guys are on your side.

DDay on September 14, 2012 at 5:07 PM

[i]And I’m genuinely sorry you feel the need to be such an anally retentive p.r.i.c.k on the intertubes…

SWalker on September 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM[/i]

That was *almost* funny, in a sort of post-career Danny DeVito sort of way. Keep practicing, in a few years, you’ll get it.

Any comments on the topic ?

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 5:07 PM

So, just to clarify, my crime is being off-topic when responding to an incorrect off-topic response to a tangentially-on-topic post?

As far as the topic goes, I don’t know that I would be able to limit myself to *eight* dumbest things said about free speech this week. The usual suspects have been practically tripping over themselves to get on the list.

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM

White House: Yes, we asked YouTube to consider removing that Mohammed movie

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER !!

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Have a nice evening.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Have a nice evening.

Jabberwock on September 14, 2012 at 5:21 PM

You too.

Merovign on September 14, 2012 at 5:26 PM

MKH, could we PLEASE get the typos in this article corrected?

I’d love to link it to my liberal friends but they’re the kind of idiots who would discredit it because “what is our children learning?”

Defenestratus on September 14, 2012 at 5:39 PM

“what is our children learning?”

Defenestratus on September 14, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Not sure about any other typos, but I believe that was a rhetorical device. Look it up in Bing (actually after today, even doing a Google search might be OK again).

AZfederalist on September 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Jihadis Threaten to Burn U.S. Embassy in Cairo

Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.

According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of the Islamic jihadis who are imprisonment and in detention centers in the U.S. including Guantanamo Bay: “The group, which consists of many members from al-Qaeda, called [especially] for the quick release of the jihadi [mujahid] sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman [the "Blind Sheikh"], whom they described as a scholar and jihadi who sacrificed his life for the Egyptian Umma, who was ignored by the Mubarak regime, and [President] Morsi is refusing to intervene on his behalf and release him, despite promising that he would. The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.”

Posted at 4:20 pm on September 10th, 2012 by

Raymond Ibrahim

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/10/jihadis-threaten-to-burn-u-s-embassy-in-cairo/

Threat as it appeared in Islamic press (no mention of any movie):

http://new.elfagr.org/Detail.aspx?nwsId=182500&secid=1&vid=2

BUSTED.

Resist We Much on September 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

BTW, the threat in the Islamic press is dated the 8th (EIGHTH). Again, no mention of any movie.

You’ve been had, little Useful Infidels, and Obama is trying to cover for his f*ck up.

Resist We Much on September 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Jihadis Threaten to Burn U.S. Embassy in Cairo

Resist We Much on September 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

One phone call to Morsi: “Yeah, Mr. President, one plank on that embassy gets so much as a whiff of smoke damage, you can forget any further foreign aid money from us.” Oh, that’s right Jugears is meeting with him next week, he can give the message in person.

AZfederalist on September 14, 2012 at 6:18 PM

What did Mike Barnicle, Anthea Butler, Christiane Amanpour, William Saletan, James Rainey , Reverend Steven Martin, the US Embassy in Cairo, and Barack Obama say when Michael Isikoff and Newsweek reported lies about US military personnel flushing Qur’ans down the loo at Gitmo, which sparked rioting throughout the Muslim world and resulted in the deaths of at least 15 people?

Did they call for Newsweek to be banned and Michael Isikoff to be prosecuted?

Doubtful. They would have argued that the First Amendment’s free speech clause wasn’t at issue; rather, its free press protections were. Peons can have their speech limited.

The fact that Isikoff and Newsweek obviously failed the Preschool Square Peg-Round Hole Logic Test doesn’t kick them out of the elite.

A Coptic Christian or Terry Jones are just hicks. Neither is entitled to anything. But, I bet that they’d pause for a second before buying some line “Hey, you know, those meanies were flushing those big, rectangular Holy Bibles down the john! We need to burn some American flags, presidential effigies and embassies. Oh, and decapitate some people!”

Resist We Much on September 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Glad to see Anthea Butler made your list. That stupid bimbo is the poster girl for those who oppose tenure in education.

Anthea would have been blissfully happy in Hitler’s Germany had Hitler been a flaming liberal.

bw222 on September 14, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Just as one is either pregnant or not pregnant, one is either a friend of Free Speech or an enemy of Free Speech, There is no in between. There never has been and there never can be. Anyone who says differently, knows nothing about free speech.

VorDaj on September 14, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Just ask: Bill O’Reilly, Brit Hume, Greta, Scarborough, George Will and a number of other so called conservatives. If these people are part of conservatism, then I won’t no part of it. Stay strong Mitt, us regular guys are on your side.

DDay on September 14, 2012 at 5:07 PM

No one whom you mentioned is a conservative. BORe is a registered a-hole, Hume is a RINO, Greta is a Democrat, Scarborough is a whore and George Will is an elitist.

bw222 on September 14, 2012 at 6:46 PM

The eight dumbest things said about free speech this week

9. Anything Jay Carney says.

peski on September 14, 2012 at 6:55 PM

I was just at Blockbuster and there was actually a copy of The Last Temptation of Christ! OMG I’m so totally offended that I’m totally going to go blow up an embassy or something OMG!!!!eleventy!!1!!

Nutstuyu on September 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Jihadis Threaten to Burn U.S. Embassy in Cairo

Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.

According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of the Islamic jihadis who are imprisonment and in detention centers in the U.S. including Guantanamo Bay: “The group, which consists of many members from al-Qaeda, called [especially] for the quick release of the jihadi [mujahid] sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman [the "Blind Sheikh"], whom they described as a scholar and jihadi who sacrificed his life for the Egyptian Umma, who was ignored by the Mubarak regime, and [President] Morsi is refusing to intervene on his behalf and release him, despite promising that he would. The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.”

Posted at 4:20 pm on September 10th, 2012 by

Raymond Ibrahim

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/10/jihadis-threaten-to-burn-u-s-embassy-in-cairo/

Threat as it appeared in Islamic press (no mention of any movie):

http://new.elfagr.org/Detail.aspx?nwsId=182500&secid=1&vid=2

BUSTED.

Resist We Much on September 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

This +1000 and a hundred million strips of bacon.

Nutstuyu on September 14, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Take every last one of these people, stick a parachute on them, and drop them into (insert Islamic craphole of your choice here.)

None of these people are worthy of remaining in a free country.

MNHawk on September 14, 2012 at 7:31 PM

9. So, yeah, this guy’s probably going to be killed. But I guess he had it coming, huh?

The Rogue Tomato on September 14, 2012 at 7:41 PM

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” — Voltaire

Marco on September 14, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Barack Chamberlain Obama.

Appease in our time.

profitsbeard on September 14, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Take every last one of these people, stick a parachute on them, and drop them into (insert Islamic craphole of your choice here.)

None of these people are worthy of remaining in a free country.

MNHawk on September 14, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I empathize with your statements, but these people have freedom of speech, too. Even if their speech promotes the suppression of other’s speech.

People like the above remind us of the task beforeus.

davidk on September 14, 2012 at 8:49 PM

“what is our children learning?”

Defenestratus on September 14, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Dare you…

Are You Smarter Than A Politician? Probably.

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A Stunner From the Party of Sla.very, Seces.sion, Segre.gation and “Guam Might Tip Over and Capsize”..

M2RB: Gloria Gaynor singing the theme song for “Survivor: Detroit”

Resist We Much on September 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

This +1000 and a hundred million strips of bacon.

Nutstuyu on September 14, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Thanks and speaking of a hundred million strips of bacon…

The 30 Step Plan To Keep Islamists Happy!

M2RB: 10,000 Maniacs

Resist We Much on September 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM

With the Socialist/Progressive left we see the resurgence of fascism.We must battle threats to our liberty from both without and within!

redware on September 14, 2012 at 9:22 PM

“Fascism will return to the United States not as right wing ideology but almost as a quasi-leftist ideology.”

- Irving Louis Horowitz, radical Leftist sociology pioneer

Resist We Much on September 15, 2012 at 12:15 AM

I have no sympathy for anyone who would assassinate a U.S. ambassador. But I have even less sympathy for filmmakers who…

How do you have less sympathy than no sympathy? There’s no such thing as negative sympathy. Maybe you have another emotion — anger, frustration, contempt, whatever — but to say “I have no sympathy for X, but even less sympathy for y,” is just about one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.

JS on September 15, 2012 at 6:00 AM

“Fascism will return to the United States not as right wing ideology but almost as a quasi-leftist ideology.”

- Irving Louis Horowitz, radical Leftist sociology pioneer

Resist We Much on September 15, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Psychic…

jimver on September 15, 2012 at 7:42 AM

Nobody went after the ACLU for a comment?

To you guys above who were wondering…

Those civics classes and sections of other courses which concern our rights dating back to the Magna Carta have been removed because they usually had, or engendered, a conclusion of American exceptionalism.

IlikedAUH2O on September 15, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Write or create something and you are culpable if they kill people.”

Consider the excellent analysis of
Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man

Inspiration to terrorists: Moore’s favorite claim: “THERE … IS … NO … TERRORIST … THREAT!” If so, why do terrorists take succor from him?

The most damning indictment of Moore in “Big Fat Stupid White Man”: the salute offered by Imam Samudra, leader of the Muslim terrorist bombers who murdered 202 people, mostly Australians and other tourists, two years ago at Paddy’s nightclub in Bali.

“I saw lots of whiteys dancing and lots of whiteys drinking there,” Samudra told Indonesian police. The authors note, “It was ‘Kill Whitey’ [quoting a chapter heading in "Stupid White Men"] with a vengeance.”

Samudra’s attorney, Qaidar Faisal, concluded his defense by praising the Taliban and quoting from “anti-western texts” including Moore’s “Stupid White Men.”

Credit: Newsmax June 12, 2004

IlikedAUH2O on September 15, 2012 at 8:58 AM

“Fascism will return to the United States not as right wing ideology but almost as a quasi-leftist ideology.”

- Irving Louis Horowitz, radical Leftist sociology pioneer

Resist We Much on September 15, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Only problem with that quote is that fascism has always been a leftist ideology. The left has always hated free speech. (See USSR, NK, China, Cuba, so on and so forth…) Mussolini was a leftist socialist, as was Hitler. Only the Imperial Japanese could be considered “conservative” as they were exercising an older form of Japanese rule (rule by the warrior class).

Pattosensei on September 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM

‘denigrating people’s religions willy nilly’

I willfully denigrate All peoples religions, I do so willy nilly, I recommend all people do so, and I expect it to be come the norm in a civilized world.

Observation on September 15, 2012 at 10:43 AM

You liberals don’t have a problem when an “Artist/Film maker” make a piece of “art” that craps on the cross, or when you go out of your way to ruin Christmas or Easter.
I really don’t care if Islam is insulted.
They lie, murder, and treat women worst then they treat dogs.

mmcnamer1 on September 15, 2012 at 10:48 AM

I don’t see any of these liberal reporters going to live in the Middle East, do you?
Every last one of them would be beheaded.

mmcnamer1 on September 15, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Does no one take Civics in 8th grade any more, and American Government in high school? Both were required classes when I went to school.

Owen Glendower on September 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

The kids still take classes in government. Unfortunately, the classes are “taught” by illiterate, Che t-shirt wearing Marxist morons who don’t have the first clue what they’re talking about, and whose educational “credentials” are not worth the paper they’re printed on.

AZCoyote on September 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM

You must be right. I confess that I had no idea of how bad it was until observing the aftermath of the 2000 election. I lost count of the mature, supposedly-educated adults–some of whom were prominent enough to get themselves interviewed on television–who kept repeating, “Well, Al Gore really won the election. He got more of the popular vote.”

Owen Glendower on September 15, 2012 at 12:26 PM

The Bill of Rights are relative and negotiable you know./s

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 15, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The true beliefs of the American left, exposed for all.

pat on September 15, 2012 at 1:26 PM

I’m a Christian. So I’ll just sit here and wait for Govco to apologize for hurting MY feelings with their overreach on birth control and Obamacare…and a myriad of other offenses…

What, no apology forthcoming?

Grace_is_sufficient on September 15, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Well, Gee Whiz – I find flying airplanes into buildings pretty offensive.
I should have a right to a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card too if I misbehave.

Well, Shouldn’t I?
Shouldn’t I?

TimBuk3 on September 16, 2012 at 12:16 AM

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