WSJ/NBC poll: Obama now leads by five in Virginia and Florida, by seven in Ohio

posted at 8:03 pm on September 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

I know your first thought is always of the samples, so here you go: I’m listing the WSJ/NBC poll partisan split first and then the 2008 exit poll split for each state for comparison. And yes, this is likely voters:

Virginia: 31D/26R/43I (39/33/27)

Ohio: 38D/28R/32I (39/31/30)

Florida: 35D/33R/30I (37/34/29)

The Democratic turnout advantage in this model would be only a point less in Virginia and Florida than it was at the apex of Hopenchange in 2008, and in Ohio it would actually be two points greater. That’s not happening in November, but O’s lead in each state is wide enough here that I think he probably is ahead — narrowly. According to RCP’s averages, in fact, he’s up by just 1.3 points in Florida and 0.4 points in Virginia, and those numbers incorporate his gaudy leads in this WSJ/NBC poll. Even more reason not to panic: This poll was conducted from Sept. 9-11, when Obama still had a bit of a convention bounce. That bounce now appears to be gone; Ramussen’s daily tracker actually has Romney back in the lead today nationally.

The real worry for Romney is Ohio, where he’s now down 4.2 points in the RCP average and which is virtually must-win. Unemployment’s down to 7.2 percent there and the auto bailout is popular; Ohio’s also a sharp contrast with Wisconsin insofar as Kasich’s proposed collective-bargaining reforms for public-employee unions went down in flames at the polls. Not going to be easy for Romney. And per WSJ/NBC, there aren’t many undecideds left in swing states:

What’s particularly striking about these polls, Miringoff observes, is how most voters in these battleground states have already made up their minds, with just 5 to 6 percent saying they’re undecided, and with more than 80 percent signaling that they strongly support their candidate.

“Those who are thinking of voting have pretty much picked sides,” he says.

In Florida and Virginia, Obama and Romney are essentially tied among likely voters on the question of which candidate would do a better job handling the economy, although Obama has a four-point advantage on this question in Ohio.

But when it comes to handling foreign policy, the incumbent Democratic president enjoys a double-digit lead over his Republican challenger.

Again, this poll was conducted from Sunday through Tuesday, the day of the embassy attacks in Cairo and Benghazi. Let’s see how that foreign-policy question looks next week. On the other hand, because eeyore’s gotta be eeyore, note that Fox News’s national poll released last night is also showing a national lead for Obama of five points, 48/43. That poll was conducted over the same period as WSJ/NBC’s, so there’s bounciness built in there too, and the partisan split — 42D vs. 36R — strikes me as a bit more Democratic than we’ll see on election day. But again, the takeaway here is that O probably is ahead by a point or two. Nothing fatal. But Mitt needs a little momentum.

Click the image below for Pat Caddell’s thoughts on the worst campaign evah. Exit question: Team Romney’s now counting on the debates to be their launching pad, but, er, have the debates ever actually decided an election? Says John Sides, “Indeed, scholars who have looked most carefully at the data have found that, when it comes to shifting enough votes to decide the outcome of the election, presidential debates have rarely, if ever, mattered.”


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Stop paying attention to details. Obviously this crowd doesn’t care.

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I know, but I like rattling the cages sometimes.

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 10:40 PM

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Hannity is always saying how he an Beckel are “friends”. Eric Bolling says the same thing.

I don’t have as much trouble with Beckel as I do that scumbag Holder, or Jemu, or that new lib that got freaking “contibutor” status” she kinda looks like Reno, but with a worse hair cut.

The reason I think Fox is slamming every other network in the ratings is because they have these idiot’s on.

Not everyone is as enlightened as we…and they need to hear how ridiculous these idiots sound…;-)

ccrosby on September 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM

ddrintn on September 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 10:30 PM

So I guess that you are all happy with Obama? yes, or no?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM

You need all Republicans to win, but it was the beltway types that gave us Romney. It’s the conservatives that aren’t being won over.

newtopia on September 13, 2012 at 10:19 PM

The conservatives will vote for Romney, en masse. Most conservatives loathe Obama so passionately there’s no way they’re staying home in any kind of 2008-McCain type protest vote.

A lot of ruling class elite Beltway Republicans, who aren’t the least bit conservative, have different agendas (such as Jeb: 2016), and I’m sure a lot of ‘em were pushing Romney in the primary so they could push against him in the general.

Right Mover on September 13, 2012 at 10:53 PM

So I guess that you are all happy with Obama? yes, or no?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Your nick name says it all.

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Something incongruent about these polls showing obama ahead and “2016: Obama’s America” #2 documentary, no ?

runner on September 13, 2012 at 10:54 PM

So I guess that you are all happy with Obama? yes, or no?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Unhappy with the entire framework that puts a man like Obama on the path to the presidency and sees such a man as acceptable. Unhappy that the electorate saw fit to elect such a worthless man. Unhappy with the GOP that pulled its punches and talked about what a good man he was and still does to this day. Unhappy with the man called Romney the GOP ran who is eerily similar to Obama on so many issues if his record is anything to go by. Unhappy that there is now a Hobson’s Choice between two men who are both totally inadequate to what needs to be done.

So, no, not too happy.

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM

ccrosby on September 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I lost any respect I had for Hannety when he re-instated Beckel after he almost hit Geller on live TV. Actually, Hannety defended the guy and as you said, kept pointing out that they are friends and we, the viewers, “… simply don’t know how great a guy Beckel really is…”. Not that Neil Boortz didn’t say same thing, last radio show of Neil I listened to.

Having real experience with communists I don’t regard them for much and would be the last person to say one of them is my friend. Human garbage cannot be “friend”. Obviously, Hannety doesn’t know much about communism to say something this stupid.

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Your nick name says it all.

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Whatever you think, fine. Just answer the damned question!

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:01 PM

If this country re-elects Obama, it deserves whatever misfortune befalls it from his “leadership” and policies. Seriously, if this country is STUPID enough to re-elect him…. just use the Constitution for kindling and get it over with already. Romney isn’t ideal but for *** sake, there’s no way that disaster can win again… right?

Yakko77 on September 13, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Whatever you think, fine. Just answer the damned question!

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:01 PM

I am political refugee from USSR, one of the first ones they let go.

What do you think?

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Caddell is spot on.

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I am political refugee from USSR, one of the first ones they let go.

What do you think?

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 11:07 PM

non-answer, please try again.

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Constitution for kindling and get it over with already. Romney isn’t ideal but for *** sake, there’s no way that disaster can win again… right?

Yakko77 on September 13, 2012 at 11:07 PM

What Constitution are you talking about? The one that is nothing but paper these days after Chief Justice declared it void and nil ~2 months ago?

50 Percenters rule the day, GOP leaders have been doing NOTHING for the past 4 years to stem the tide and are as complicit as liberals.

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Since I’ve been here ddrintn and unseen were two of my favorite posters.
kim roy on September 13, 2012 at 10:31 PM

You are kidding aren’t you??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Caddell is spot on.

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Sadly, one of probably 2 real Democrats left these days.

At least I hope there is one more.

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

So I guess that you are all happy with Obama? yes, or no?
uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM

No. Nor Romney.

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:14 PM

No. Nor Romney.

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Funny, how Lenin’s “useful idiots”, so relevant more than 100 years ago, is still so relevant today.

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Time for a cigar. ‘Night folks…

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Time for a cigar. ‘Night folks…

riddick on September 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Hope it is a good one.

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Is it to much to ask that Romney espouse, promote, propose, and advocate free market solutions? Is that really asking too much? We all know that public education and the press fail to explain these basic concepts to the populace. Someone has to expain to them why Obama’s policies have not worked and why free market solutions will (if Romney actually plans on implementing such solutions, I’m not altogether convinced – another reason Romney should be out there advocating).

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Is it to much to ask that Romney espouse, promote, propose, and advocate free market solutions? Is that really asking too much? We all know that public education and the press fail to explain these basic concepts to the populace. Someone has to expain to them why Obama’s policies have not worked and why free market solutions will (if Romney actually plans on implementing such solutions, I’m not altogether convinced – another reason Romney should be out there advocating).

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Do you not agree then, that a vote against Rmoney, is a vote for the one? Do you want the one again?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Winning GOP candidates? Reagan and GWB. Advocated free market reform.

Losing GOP candidates? GHWB (won by running as continuation of Reagan, lost as himself), Dole, McCain. Mushy candidates who failed to advocate free market solutions and reform.

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Do you not agree then, that a vote against Rmoney, is a vote for the one? Do you want the one again?
uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Tautologically, I do not agree, unless the vote against him is actually cast for Obama. And, no, I don’t want Obama to be re-elected. Nor do I really want to vote for Romney. I can want Romney to win, Obama to lose, and still not want to vote for Romney. Those are not inconsistent positions.

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Tautologically, I do not agree, unless the vote against him is actually cast for Obama. And, no, I don’t want Obama to be re-elected. Nor do I really want to vote for Romney. I can want Romney to win, Obama to lose, and still not want to vote for Romney. Those are not inconsistent positions.

besser tot als rot on September 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Yes, but the outcome can be the same, so if you sit on your hands, it tells me that you enjoy the boy king and wish for 4 more years of the same.

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Do you not agree then, that a vote against Rmoney, is a vote for the one? Do you want the one again?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Do you have any evidence from Romney’s political record that he’s actually a conservative? On the RCP video they said he’s a ‘fake conservative’ and has no core, or at least is unable to project anything resembling one. Care to address that?

Evidence, not just words.

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Are you going to vote for Romney??..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Do you have any evidence from Romney’s political record that he’s actually a conservative? On the RCP video they said he’s a ‘fake conservative’ and has no core, or at least is unable to project anything resembling one. Care to address that?

Evidence, not just words.

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Sure, so you would rather have 4 more years of the same crap that we have had? I would atleast give Rmoney the chance to prove otherwise,what do you have to lose? We know what we have now, and it isn’t pretty, at least try something different, or are you happy with the last 4 years?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:36 PM

I have said before that I doubt I am the only conservative who no longer answers polls.

The response of some elements of the Left to California’s Question 8 have left me fearful of letting my views on any political matter become known other to friends or anonymously.

OBQuiet on September 13, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Evidence, not just words.

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

[no evidence cited]

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:36 PM

So you’ve got nothing?

Don’t you find that just a little embarrassing?

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Anyone who believes in the NBC poll must also believe in the Tooth Fairy!! NBC is so full of shit it’s pathetic! The next time they print a poll with truthful results will be their first time! The entire staff of NBC have their noses so far up Obama’s ass they will need surgery to extract them! What a disgrace!! I hope they don’t refer to themselves as “Journalists”.The correct term for them would be “Stooges”!!!

Jersey Dan on September 13, 2012 at 11:44 PM

So you’ve got nothing?

Don’t you find that just a little embarrassing?

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Not really, as you can’t answer honest questions… so, no. No embarassment here… how about you? you ok, or you always evade real questions?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM

“Anyone who believes in the NBC poll must also believe in the Tooth Fairy!! NBC is so full of shit it’s pathetic! The next time they print a poll with truthful results will be their first time! The entire staff of NBC have their noses so far up Obama’s ass they will need surgery to extract them! What a disgrace!! I hope they don’t refer to themselves as “Journalists”.The correct term for them would be “Stooges”!!!”

“Attacking the pollsters” always comes from the side that’s behind.

Oh well, this day’s horrific poll numbers for Romney are over.

On to tomorrow’s bad poll numbers for Romney.

gumbyandpokey on September 13, 2012 at 11:53 PM

gumbyandpokey on September 13, 2012 at 11:53 PM

yeah, Alex… I’ll take advice from the claymation for $100 lol!

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:56 PM

gumbyandpokey on September 13, 2012 at 11:53 PM

.
LOL……..
Trust your media outlets…

Hopey is soooo Presidential…….
Running away to Las Vegas when he tells everyone else – don’t go to Vegas.

Strongly condemns ….. Well put Hopey

FlaMurph on September 14, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Not really, as you can’t answer honest questions… so, no. No embarassment here… how about you? you ok, or you always evade real questions?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM

I answered the question you asked if I was happy with Obama and YOU ignored that answer because it didn’t feed your trolling efforts. I should have just ignored you like besser tot and riddick did.

You aren’t interested in an honest debate, nor honest questions. You don’t have a real candidate at all and you know it. He’s a cardboard cutout that everyone is free to paint with political positions that appeals to them…just like Obama in 2008.

So go ahead and call me a traitor, an Obamabot or whatever spittle flecked insult currently in vogue with you folks.

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Those polls are laughable because of the insane oversampling of democrats. Any poll that samples democrats by more than D+2 nationally and in these battleground states shall be thrown in the garbage.

Obama losing this election is a certainty. All what is take is 10% of his 2008 White Voters to switch for Romney combined with 3% of his 2008 voters staying home. Look around you folks and you can easily see that at least one out of ten Obama 2008 White Voters switching and voting for Romney 2012 and you know that the enthusiasm for Obama is way down in his base so 3% of his 2008 voters staying home in 2008 is in fact a conservative number.

mnjg on September 14, 2012 at 12:03 AM

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 12:01 AM

You didn’t answer crap. So you are happy with the one? you want four more years? try again. Try to answer the exact yes, or no… which you didn’t. You piss and moan, but you offer no real solution, so when cornered, you claim victory, but have nothing to show for it… answer the damned questions!

uncommon sense on September 14, 2012 at 12:04 AM

gumbyandpokey on September 13, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I told you before that the reality on the ground and the math make it impossible for Obama to win. However you can delude yourself that the welfare queens agitator is cruising for a victory, what ever make you sleep tight…

mnjg on September 14, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Since I’ve been here ddrintn and unseen were two of my favorite posters.
kim roy on September 13, 2012 at 10:31 PM

You are kidding aren’t you??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on September 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

No. Not at all. I liked angryed too before he lost his mind. There’s lots of people I enjoy reading because they bring thoughtful and interesting words to the table. It doesn`t mean I agree with them, but that they are interesting. Isn`t that the main objective. :)

kim roy on September 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM

So I guess that you are all happy with Obama? yes, or no?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Unhappy that the electorate saw fit to elect such a worthless man.

So, no, not too happy.

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Try to answer the exact yes, or no… which you didn’t. You piss and moan, but you offer no real solution, so when cornered, you claim victory, but have nothing to show for it… answer the damned questions!

uncommon sense on September 14, 2012 at 12:04 AM

I already have you lying SOB.

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 12:10 AM

The obvious Obama shill’s typical idiocy aside….

Most of these figures suggest NBC’s presumption preceding an almost certainly cooked polling “result” outcome would be that Oblamer’s convention speech would have been better than boring, empty, inflated and lousy, that Chicago wouldn’t be in the typical union-made skool mess, that the Empty Chair now has national symbolism (and the pansies at Esquire don’t like it), that carnage in Syria is approaching Oblamer’s cowardice during the Iranian uprising, that Biden wouldn’t have stepped in it several more times, that even Jay Leno has finally chosen to tweak Harvard’s worst Affirmative-action product, more bad employment figures, gasoline prices increased by at least 25 cents in barely a week, followed by our Libyan consulate left as sitting ducks, four murdered, an apology to terrorists on 9/11 and that Carter the First is today questioning Carter the Second.

viking01 on September 14, 2012 at 12:12 AM

kim roy on September 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Sounds good to me!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 14, 2012 at 12:24 AM

…not to mention revelations today that Obungler and Hillary ignored security warnings and hired local Libyan rent-a-cop security whom would view the persons they were assigned to “protect” as infidels somehow under the delusion that would provide sufficient consulate defenses in a nation barely out of being led by Qadaffy, no less.

viking01 on September 14, 2012 at 12:26 AM

I already have you lying SOB.

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 12:10 AM

You haven’t answered if you want 4 more years? or that if a vote doesn’t go to Rmoney, that it is a vote for the one… so no, I’m not a lying SOB. but again, thanks for playing.

uncommon sense on September 14, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Oh no suicide watch again. I say ignore the polls good or bad.. All will be well…

sandee on September 14, 2012 at 12:31 AM

kim roy on September 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Sounds good to me!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 14, 2012 at 12:24 AM

;)

kim roy on September 14, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Man Allah is sure fapping at these numbers

The Notorious G.O.P on September 14, 2012 at 12:38 AM

You haven’t answered if you want 4 more years?

uncommon sense on September 14, 2012 at 12:27 AM

No I don’t want Obama in office for another four years. I also don’t want Romney for four years either. Its a Hobson’s choice.

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Hahaha! Just the title of this thread is funny.

I’m pretty sure I commented here, but the topic is so stupid I don’t remember.

ccrosby on September 14, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Man Allah is sure fapping at these numbers

The Notorious G.O.P on September 14, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I agree enough is enough. I’m even tired of the polls with Romney ahead. I say we shall see… Quit telling me it’s OVER …. we lost… Don’t think so..

sandee on September 14, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Good grief Allah, are you ever optimistic………..about anything? I’d hate to live in the eternal search for the eyeore in any sort of positive news whatsoever. I know from my circle of friends, family and co-workers that the Messiah complex of 2008 is as faded as a Donny Osmond poster.

sybilll on September 14, 2012 at 12:52 AM

No I don’t want Obama in office for another four years. I also don’t want Romney for four years either. Its a Hobson’s choice.

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM

So, your answer is what? what realistic divine answer do you have? None, as I expected… just vote how you feel and welcome the next coming of the one! You are actually such a tool, and you don’t even realize it, that is where the comedy comes in. Run where you want, but you wish for an Obamabi victory…. just go away.

uncommon sense on September 14, 2012 at 1:33 AM

So, your answer is what?

uncommon sense on September 14, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Its called ‘conservatism’. You should look into it some time.

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Can we stop citing RCP averages? What good are they when they’re based on polls of adults, polls with skewed samples, and one or two good polls all tossed together as if they’re actually equivalent?

Garbage in, garbage out…and the RCP average is garbage.
Just like these WSJ/NBC polls.

DRayRaven on September 14, 2012 at 5:09 AM

In addition to being mathematical garbage, these polls are designed to influence and discourage the conservative voters. Don’t believe or be influenced by their crap . . . go to the polls, vote and get rid of this Obama disaster. The left are very effective propagandists – don’t let them beat you down.

rplat on September 14, 2012 at 5:47 AM

To all my praying conservative brothers and sisters:

Pray hard. Don’t stop.

Grace_is_sufficient on September 14, 2012 at 5:49 AM

Since the conventions I have seen hundreds of Obama ads and not even one Romney ad. I don’t live in a swing state so I don’t know what is going on there but this is alarming.

steel guy on September 14, 2012 at 5:49 AM

No I don’t want Obama in office for another four years. I also don’t want Romney for four years either. Its a Hobson’s choice.

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM

So don’t vote, just bury your head in the sand and fantasize about the perfect world.

rplat on September 14, 2012 at 5:50 AM

it all has to be laid at the feet of Republican strategiststs/advisers/consultants, etc. All are so disconnected to the extreme with the voters out in middle America.

Darvin Dowdy on September 14, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Dukakis-Kerry-Romney; a long tradition, of LOSING!

wraithby on September 14, 2012 at 8:09 AM

D+10 and D+5? Poll ignored.

rollthedice on September 14, 2012 at 8:19 AM

1980 all over again. It was a “nail-biter” until Reagan crushed Carter. My prediction is that Romney wins ugly but still over 300 electoral votes.

Mojave Mark on September 14, 2012 at 8:37 AM

Rasmussen has investor confidence up 6 today.

gumbyandpokey on September 14, 2012 at 8:47 AM

The real worry for Romney is Ohio, where he’s now down 4.2 points in the RCP average and which is virtually must-win. Unemployment’s down to 7.2 percent there and the auto bailout is popular; Ohio’s also a sharp contrast with Wisconsin insofar as Kasich’s proposed collective-bargaining reforms for public-employee unions went down in flames at the polls.

Romney can win Ohio by coming out strongly for rolling back excessively strict EPA regulations on coal-fired power plants, and also on natural-gas fracking. Eastern Ohio is heavily into coal mining, and also is over part of the Marcellus shale formation.

Also, Romney could tout his experience with Bain Capital at actually building a steel mill in Indiana, that he could favor policies that would maintain demand for American-made steel.

Steve Z on September 14, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Great column by Kimberly Strassl on why the Obama campaign failed…

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443524904577649932701725706.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

gumbyandpokey on September 14, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Do you not agree then, that a vote against Rmoney, is a vote for the one? Do you want the one again?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM

I didn’t want him the first time. Fat lot of good that did anyone.

We lost because we put up obama lite last time. We’re doing it again this time, with an obama lite that couldn’t even beat the last obama lite (let alone the actual obama).

I didn’t sit out last time. I voted for the VP. I’ll do the same this time. If the outcome is better, great, but so far I see little difference between then and now.

Oh, I know you’ll say something like “but the country is much worse off now”….really? Do you remember what things were like in November 2008? And yet obama still won. Remember FDR? Remember how many times he got re-elected with much worse economic numbers than we’re seeing now? Do you know why that was?

He played hardball. He saw politics as war and anyone who disagreed with him as an enemy to be destroyed. And it worked. It’s actually never failed to work. If obama loses this election it will be the first time this strategy he’s using will have failed. I’d love to be wrong, but history is 100% on my side here.

runawayyyy on September 14, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Do you not agree then, that a vote against Rmoney, is a vote for the one? Do you want the one again?

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Yes. Some of us want to cast a vote against Romney even if it is a vote for Obama. Why? We believe that …

Obamalite is more dangerous to the cause than the real Obama.

TheAlamos on September 14, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Rasmussen has investor confidence up 6 today.

gumbyandpokey on September 14, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Rasmussen has Romney +3 today.

Romney’s turnaround is +8 since Monday, when he was -5 to Obama.

Right Mover on September 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Yes, but the outcome can be the same, so if you sit on your hands, it tells me that you enjoy the boy king and wish for 4 more years of the same.

Or it means you’re not an establishment Republican or s phony conservative and truly believe and care about your principles, no matter which way the political winds blow.

newtopia on September 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Right Mover on September 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Talk to me when at least one other credible poll validates this kind of movement. Until then, it’s an outlier.

newtopia on September 14, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I really must ask at this point – what is Romney doing with all of the money people have given to him?

I still think he will win, but where was this ad blitz that was coming? Where is the actual campaign? As someone whose biggest stregth is seeing something that doesn’t work and fixing it, how does he not see that his campaign is failing him?

Romney needs to immediately fire all of his top advisors and paid consultants and hire people with the fire (and intelligence) needed to win. This is gettign proposterous. We were told that last Friday, the campaign would launch a massive ad blitz, and this has been as unimpressive an ad blitz as I have ever seen. Yet, I received another letter from Team Romney yesterday asking for even more money to continue to fight Obama. Here’s a novel idea for Team Romney – stop asking for more money, and use the money that I, and millions of other Americans, have already given you, and fight back.

milcus on September 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM

They’re still touting Obama’s current lead On Fox this morning. If Romney doesn’t kick that campaign in the butt and fire some of those inept people he’s going to doom us to another four years of Obama. Why in hell can’t the inept, milquetoast Republicans get their act together. This is really becoming disturbing.

rplat on September 14, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Yes. Some of us want to cast a vote against Romney even if it is a vote for Obama. Why? We believe that …

Obamalite is more dangerous to the cause than the real Obama.

TheAlamos on September 14, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I can’t believe there are people ignorant enough to think that there will be anything salvageable left of America if Obama is given another 4 years to wreak havoc in this country(you’ll probably have to ask the Russian president what Obama plans to do to us in the next 4 years; he seems to like to share secrets with him). And probably just because your nominee didn’t get in, right?!(why am I thinking you are a Ron Paul person?)
I am no big fan of Romney, but I do believe he doesn’t hate America and American tradition and American exceptionalism. Do you get that same vibe from Obama? Neither do I.

Sterling Holobyte on September 14, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Caddell and Schoen have it dead right. Romney needs to cut loose on this failure like he did his primary opponents. If he’s holding back because the President is a person of color, then I guess Romney is racist. Just like the left likes to say.

Enough of this coddling and petting Barack Obama. Tell the truth about him and stand strong. Talk about what you will do differently. Stop alienating your base by soft-pedaling obamacare repeal. In short, try to imitate Reagan, even if you can’t be him. If you lose, at lease you lost with integrity and can hold your head high. Thing is, I don’t think hitting Obama with his failures is a losing strategy.

totherightofthem on September 14, 2012 at 10:33 AM

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 45% of the vote. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided. See daily tracking history.

bluefox on September 14, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Yes. Some of us want to cast a vote against Romney even if it is a vote for Obama. Why? We believe that …

Obamalite is more dangerous to the cause than the real Obama.

TheAlamos on September 14, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Sorry. But you’re part of the problem this year. I know Mitt Romney doesn’t hate this country. I know Mitt Romney won’t have Muslim Brotherhood representatives in government positions. I know Mitt Romney won’t gut our nuclear defense capabilities. I know Mitt Romney doesn’t view us as a colonial occupier.

I also know that Obama believes and will do the opposite of these things. Mitt isn’t my idea of a conservative’s conservative, but he’s a hell of a lot better than Obama and I will be at the polls on election day doing my part to elect him president.

totherightofthem on September 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM

They’re still touting Obama’s current lead On Fox this morning. If Romney doesn’t kick that campaign in the butt and fire some of those inept people he’s going to doom us to another four years of Obama. Why in hell can’t the inept, milquetoast Republicans get their act together. This is really becoming disturbing.

rplat on September 14, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I really don’t have any confidence in any Fox News polls anymore.
Their whole tone has been unbalanced for some time. Giving a platform to the leftists when the alphabet channels outnumber Fox by what, 5 or more to 1. What’s the point?

bluefox on September 14, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I also know that Obama believes and will do the opposite of these things. Mitt isn’t my idea of a conservative’s conservative, but he’s a hell of a lot better than Obama and I will be at the polls on election day doing my part to elect him president.

totherightofthem on September 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Be proud to join you as millions of us can see and hear. Vote for America, Vote for Romney is my slogan.

bluefox on September 14, 2012 at 10:41 AM

You haven’t answered if you want 4 more years?

uncommon sense on September 14, 2012 at 12:27 AM
No I don’t want Obama in office for another four years. I also don’t want Romney for four years either. Its a Hobson’s choice.

sharrukin on September 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM

You have a choice sharrukin. Vote for Romney, Vote for Obama, Vote for anyone else on your ballot or stay home. Nothing to argue about. Your choice, not complicated.

I’m voting for our Country, so it’s easy for me: Romney

bluefox on September 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM

ECONOMY: In a Shambles
FOREIGN POLICY: In a Shambles
RACE RELATIONS: In a Shambles
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT: In a Shambles

We MUST reelect OF@ckhead so he can clean up his utter messes….NOT

NOMOBO on September 14, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Ohio, where Romney is now down 4.2 points in the RCP. So one should believe because Gov Kasich, the chairman who set the Fed budget toward balance, has gotten his programs to be successful with unemployment less than 5, so the dopes in Ohio favor Obama now more than ever ?

democratsarefools on September 14, 2012 at 11:02 AM

These polls giving Ohio to Obama are nuts…

I’m on the ground here.. and while the Union lackeys will believe anything spoon fed them.. all… ALL the energy on the ground in my part is for Romney..

I reject that Ohio after having our coal jobs devastated.. our economy in a shambles for years.. and only NOW climbing back out since Kasich was elected.. is going to give credit for Kasich’s work to that fool b*stard in the White House..

Screw these douchebag union statist stooges..

mark81150 on September 14, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Let the record show:

The day before Todd Akin made his legendary remark, all the trends looked good. Since then, we’ve lost ground steadily.

You can cite other factors and excuses but Todd’s gaffe defined our high water mark. It wasn’t a coincidence.

History will record this as the Todd Akin disaster. Even if he pulled out now, it would be too late. The public perception is absolutely deadly and, frankly, we’re screwed.

Politics is a strange game. Things turn on perception in intangible ways. It’s sort of like all the screwy psychological factors that matter all to much when trying to sell a house.

Pythagoras on September 14, 2012 at 11:42 AM

I reject that Ohio after having our coal jobs devastated.. our economy in a shambles for years.. and only NOW climbing back out since Kasich was elected.. is going to give credit for Kasich’s work to that fool b*stard in the White House..

Screw these douchebag union statist stooges..

mark81150 on September 14, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I agree. Any time Romney comes to Ohio, he gets great crowds. He was here last week and people stood in line (mile long) for several hours to get in. Watched it online and Tea Parties were there, great response to him.

Gov. Kasich was the only one able to turn this State around and he’s done so much more than economy related policies. I wish he would promote Josh Mandel so he can defeat Sherrod Brown (Obama clone)

Heard on the radio this morning that Romney is coming to Ohio again, but didn’t catch what city. He needs to go up North, Cuyahoga County and the rest of the Democratic strongholds. Maybe change some minds.

bluefox on September 14, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Mark: “These polls giving Ohio to Obama are nuts…

I’m on the ground here.. and while the Union lackeys will believe anything spoon fed them.. all… ALL the energy on the ground in my part is for Romney..”

Appreciate your optimism, I need some of that!

But what about the auto bailouts that the media says Ohioans love & 7.2% unemployment? & how are Kasich’s poll #’ now? Did they improve since his measures to reign in the unions failed?

Belle on September 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

new Rasmussen poll is trouble for Obama

rollthedice on September 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

new Rasmussen poll is trouble for Obama

rollthedice on September 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Their latest poll did not include any issues in the M.E. either. They listed what did and did not affect the poll numbers.

bluefox on September 14, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Romney 48
Obama 45

Yea.. I don’t see this poll posted by Allahpundit on hotair. It may be a national poll, but either way there is NO way Obama takes Florida or Ohio..or Virginia.

BrianVII on September 14, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Ha Ha Ha!

Romney fought harder to tar and feather Gingrich than he is fighting Obama, the real demon.

Newt sure is not the PANSY that Romney is and Newt would never have let himself be kowtowed by the old McCain campaign staff of deadbeats.

Even Sarah Palin would have handled this crisis better.

Americans deserve another 4 years of Obama. Maybe then, they will not let Wall Street and the Republican elites BUY the Republican nomination.

Sparky5253 on September 14, 2012 at 1:01 PM

If we are going over a fiscal cliff, which I believe will happen no matter who wins. Maybe it is better if Obama is at the helm when that happens. The future unfunded liabilities are now $200 Trillion haw can this possibly be fixed. Don’t get me wrong I’m still voting for Romney (not that it matters in Massachusetts). But the coming collapse is unavoidable and it will make 2008 look like the good old days.

steel guy on September 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Yes, but the outcome can be the same, so if you sit on your hands, it tells me that you enjoy the boy king and wish for 4 more years of the same.

uncommon sense on September 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM

It is no concern of mine what inane inferences fools make.

besser tot als rot on September 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Okay so let’s not even play this out. Formulate your plans for a different America, maybe go cash or go Galt…

I look at this election as defining with no return available. Three new Supreme’s coming and they will all look like Sotomayer and the other one he put in.

I for one am depressed.

FireBlogger on September 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Do you have any evidence from Romney’s political record that he’s actually a conservative? On the RCP video they said he’s a ‘fake conservative’ and has no core, or at least is unable to project anything resembling one. Care to address that?

Evidence, not just words.

sharrukin on September 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Here’s what I do know:

Tea Party people and conservatives like me all over the country are working their tails off to make Congress and state governments as conservative as we can.

Romney will go along with a conservative Senate/House. He will appoint more conservative judges than Obama will.

Obama will veto, demagogue and obstruct everything that comes out of a conservative Congress. He will issue Executive Orders to get what he wants, which I GUARANTEE is a lot worse than what Romney wants.

It would be a shame to get that conservative Congress, and we’re competing in senate races we should be getting crushed in, and then have Obama reelected because Romney wasn’t perfect for people like you.

Ever heard “perfect is the enemy of good”? Romney’s not perfect by himself, but he’s not going to be a dictator like this president and he will be much better to pair with the House and Senate than Oblamer.

After dozens of post facto media reviews, Bush won Florida in 2000 by 350-400 votes. So, if Obama wins the presidency based on a bunch of you “perfect President or I don’t vote” people in swing states where he wins by a few hundred votes, YOU will be responsible for the collapse of this country.

Look at how badly Oblamer demagogues Congress, even though his party controls the Senate and can pass any budge it wants. Imagine if we got to 51 GOP in the Senate and still had the marxist in the Oval Office. Both houses might as well go into a 4 year recess.

PastorJon on September 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM

To prove my point in my last comment:

Obama’s administration has not written ONE piece of legislation or passed a single budget in 3 years. Heck, his budgets have gotten ZERO votes. Dodd-Frank and Obamacare were written by outside groups and amended and passed by Congress.

If not for Scott Brown’s win, they would have even more chance at desctruction, but the damage was done by Congress. Once he lost control of Congress, Oblamer has gone the EO route.

The repair of this will come from Congress as well. Yes, a more conservative president than Romney could lead more on these things, but Ryan will be there. But even with the most Conservative Congress we can get, unless it’s two thirds of both houses, with Obama as president we will be in a dictatorship, and maybe enough of a spin to declare a crisis that lets him suspend the constitution, and there is a law on the books that allows that.

PastorJon on September 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Ps Jon:

“Obamacare…written by outside groups”…..could that include the consulting team from Romneycare that visited the WH & helped craft the infamous Obamacare?

sunshinek67 on September 14, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Yes. Some of us want to cast a vote against Romney even if it is a vote for Obama. Why? We believe that …

Obamalite is more dangerous to the cause than the real Obama.

TheAlamos on September 14, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Nice. So for the good of the party you would destroy the nation.

WeekendAtBernankes on September 15, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Oh, so the Paulbots and Palinistas are here? Oh wait, that’s right neither of them is a candidate. One because he couldn’t get enough support. The other because she didn’t want to run.

Deanna on September 13, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Yeah. Too many real Tea Party patriots.

TheAlamos on September 15, 2012 at 1:05 AM

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