Quotes of the day

posted at 10:55 pm on September 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

After days of protests and related violence, concerns are growing that furor over an anti-Islam video could intensify even more Friday — threatening U.S. interests abroad and at home…

Worries about Friday, in particular, stem from the fact Muslims hold weekly prayers that day — and may congregate afterward and march on U.S. diplomatic missions.

“We are in a full-court press at every single one of the posts in the Middle East and anywhere else there is any chance of demonstrations after Friday services to make sure nothing bad happens. And to have the security in place in case bad things do happen,” one senior U.S. official said.

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Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton made clear on Thursday that the U.S. government had nothing to do with an anti-Muslim film she personally finds “disgusting and reprehensible” as protests over it spread to Yemen after assaults on embassy compounds in Egypt and Libya.

“The United States government had absolutely nothing to do with this video,” Clinton said alongside Morocco’s Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation Saad-Eddine Al-Otmani at the State Department. “… We have the greatest respect for people of faith… this video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose, to denigrate a great religion and to promote rage.”

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Speaking to an international religious freedom conference in Washington Wednesday, Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough endorsed efforts to create “a world where the dignity of all people—and all faiths—is respected.”

According to his prepared remarks released by the White House, he then added: “This work takes on added urgency given the truly abhorrent video that has offended so many people–Muslims, and non-Muslims alike—in our country and around the world.”

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[W]hy did I tweet that Bacile should be in jail? The “free speech” in Bacile’s film is not about expressing a personal opinion about Islam. It denigrates the religion by depicting the faith’s founder in several ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes to incite and inflame viewers. Even the film’s actors say they were duped.

Bacile’s movie is not the first to denigrate a religious figure, nor will it be the last. The Last Temptation of Christ was protested vigorously. The difference is that Bacile indirectly and inadvertently inflamed people half a world away, resulting in the deaths of U.S. Embassy personnel…

While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that other countries and cultures do not have to understand or respect our right.

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What, exactly, does Romney mean by “American values”? The embassy never apologized for free speech or diplomatic sovereignty. The only American offense it criticized was the movie’s “bigotry” and “efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.” Does Romney regard this criticism as an “apology for American values”? Is bigotry an American value? Is it weak or un-American to repudiate slurs against Muslims?

I don’t know where you were born, Mr. Romney (just kidding!), but where I come from, there’s nothing more American than recognizing the idiocy of a man’s views and, at the same time, his right to express them. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, the main threat to our values right now isn’t President Obama, the Egyptians, the Libyans, or our diplomats in Cairo. It’s you.

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YouTube will not remove a film clip mocking the Islamic Prophet Mohammad that has been blamed for anti-US protests in Egypt and Libya, but it has blocked access to it in those countries…

“This video – which is widely available on the Web – is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube,” Google said in a statement. “However, given the very difficult situation in Libya and Egypt, we have temporarily restricted access in both countries.”

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I have to say it’s a little unseemly for our government to officially take a position on a YouTube video, even one that sparked an international crisis. It’s even more unseemly that our government is taking the same position on that film as the people who just killed our ambassador in Benghazi…

The West will not, cannot, change its laws to accommodate anybody’s emotions, especially not people on the other side of the planet who replace our flag with the Al Qaeda flag and murder our diplomats.The Internet will always be offensive and our First Amendment will not be repealed. The longer it takes for Middle Easterners to understand this and adjust, the more people are going to die.

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It’s a modern marvel to witness how thoroughly the country’s journalists and commentators have, over the past decade, internalized false notions about Muslims, violence, and free expression. For instance, that depicting the historical figure of Muhammad is untenable blasphemy (see the Muhammad Image Archive for a repository of rejoinders); that the mere discussion about the proposed portrayal of a cartoon Muhammad bear-suit should be avoided at all costs in order to avoid a potential spasm of Mideast violence; and that retreating so abjectly from the defense of free speech will somehow make the world a safer place…

Which is ultimately why the embassy’s pre-emptive apology for private speech is so self-defeating. Not only are you encouraging the easily offended to lower their outrage bar still further—and thus perpetuating the cycle of stifled speech in the free and democratic West—you are reinforcing the pernicious idea that expression in the United States is sanctioned by the government until stated otherwise.

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“[We are trying to] promote democracy in places that do not have any values for civilized societies, values like respecting minorities and women’s rights and an independent judiciary and rule of law. How much longer do we now support and fund Sharia democracy?”

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SparkPlug on September 14, 2012 at 2:19 AM

yep. Catch ya tomorrow Sparky, I’m beat.

Night all.

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 2:24 AM

I saw him posted when I first came here. Hid typical stuff.

Should read,

I saw him posting when I first came here. His typical stuff.

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:25 AM

Does Romney regard this criticism as an “apology for American values”? Is bigotry an American value?

No. But the reverence we show in protecting the near-absolute right to express bigotry is.

Or would you prefer they express their bigotry with a rope, where nobody can tell them they are wrong?

JohnGalt23 on September 14, 2012 at 2:26 AM

With anger over an anti-Islam film spreading to Indonesia, the AP reports on hundreds of riot police getting ready for protests in Jakarta on Friday: [...]

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/topic/anti-islam-film-protests/indonesia-police-alert-us-embassy-protest

canopfor on September 14, 2012 at 2:03 AM

We have to stop tolerating the dumb idea that populations are willing to riot because someone somewhere made a movie. It’s idiotic. I guess it’s just so easy to see now that we’ve had a coordinated attack on the anniversary of Sep. 11 and have had to listen to it being reported as a response to a movie, but whatever the reason, it just looks stupid now.

Axe on September 14, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Good Night Flora, Pleasant Dreams.

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:28 AM

**************************DE JAVU *******************************

COUNTERPOINT: CAN PRESIDENT OBAMA BRING PEACE TO THE MIDDLE EAST?

(Obama’s Middle East Policy Is A Failure)
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Last September, when President Obama invited Israeli Prime Minster Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to the White House to launch a new round of peace talks, he invoked the great historical figures on both sides of the conflict who had come before them. “Each of you are the heirs of peacemakers who dared greatly – Begin and Sadat, Rabin and King Hussein – statesmen who saw the world as it was but also imagined the world as it should be,” the president said. “It is the shoulders of our predecessors upon which we stand. It is their work that we carry on.”

What Obama failed to mention is that for all of their effort, none of those brave statesmen managed to bring the Israelis and Palestinians one step closer to peace. Arguably, we are further than ever from achieving a viable two-state solution to this seemingly intractable conflict.

During his two years in office,
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President Obama has offered no substantive policy shift from previous administrations, no specific proposals for achieving peace between the two sides, no framework for dealing with final status issues, nothing fresh or new whatsoever

save for an unbounded sense of confidence that he could achieve in a year
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what all of his predecessors failed to achieve in their entire tenures in office.
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It didn’t have to be like this.
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When Obama visited Cairo last year, he spoke eloquently about the daily struggle of Palestinians living under Israeli “occupation”
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(the first sitting American president ever to use that word).
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He followed that historic speech by calling for an immediate and unconditional halt to all Israeli settlement construction

in the Occupied Territories
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—“not some settlements,
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not outposts,
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not ‘natural growth’ exceptions,”
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as Hillary Clinton famously put it.

When that demand was ignored, the Obama administration

immediately backpedaled,
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accepting a ten-month moratorium on new settlement construction in the West Bank. As that moratorium expired last month, President Obama sent a letter to Netanyahu in which he offered more aid, more weapons,

and more attention to Iran’s nuclear ambitions in return for a 60-day extension of the settlement freeze.
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That too was rebuffed,
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leaving Obama looking weak and ineffectual to both allies and enemies in the region.
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Since then, another 600 settlement units have been authorized for construction, adding to approximately half a million Israelis who currently live over the Green Line, in what is supposedly designated as the future Palestinian state.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian president has walked away from direct negotiations while, according to a Netanyahu aide, the Israeli prime minister is content to wait for a Republican majority in the House of Representatives to assist in “repelling the American president’s initiative.”

If there is any other way to describe the present state set of affairs other than utter failure, I do not know it.

All is not necessarily lost. The president still has an opportunity, particularly after the midterm elections, to reinvigorate the Middle East peace process. It means breaking from the Bush-era policy of pitting Hamas and Fatah against each other and instead using intermediaries to bring Hamas into the negotiations. It requires spelling out the consequences for both sides if America’s demands are not met. There is no reason why the US should not link the billions of dollars in American taxpayer money that is sent to the Israelis and Palestinians every year to their respective obligations in working toward a two-state solution. And finally, it necessitates doing more than merely talk about a Palestinian state. The United States should join with the European Union and the United Nations in stating that its intention to officially recognize the existence of an independent Palestinian state in two years if negotiations toward a two-state solution are not put back on track. Netanyahu cannot ignore that statement.

These may be bold, unprecedented steps. But that is precisely what is needed if Obama wants to avoid the same fate as the “peacemakers” upon whose shoulders he claims to stand.
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http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/EN/belge/2-2643/counterpoint-can-president-obama-bring-peace-to-the-mid-.html

canopfor on September 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

it just looks stupid now.

Axe on September 14, 2012 at 2:26 AM

It looked and sounded just as stupid at the time. It’s just some folks are easy to con.

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:30 AM

@canopfor

Obama’s initiative could mean new markets, relations and architectures for the USA in the Middle East and North Africa as well as rapidly rising American sympathies in the entire region.

Duh. That plan has us managing their playpen like they aren’t responsible for changing their own diapers.

I don’t want my country directly running the whole world, damn it. :)

Axe on September 14, 2012 at 2:33 AM

It looked and sounded just as stupid at the time. It’s just some folks are easy to con.

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Like me. :) At least, some, because it’s never looked so flat as it does now.

Axe on September 14, 2012 at 2:33 AM

Well I’ve stayed up too long. Early call time. Here is one for the folks in the ME.

Good Night All.

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:35 AM

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:35 AM

Night Bmore.

Axe on September 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Hand over hand up the lifeline
Luckily the knots stay tight
Silhouettes of the two of us climbing
Climbing up a rope on fire
Climbing up a rope on fire

Trapped in a room in a fortress
Running outta air to breathe
Only seconds to go and we’ll break free
I didn’t think that we would reach

Only the two of us can disconnect the bomb
And save ourselves before the oxygen is gone
I’ll call for backup, you start to scream
It’s not the first time we’ve been in this dream

She ripped the wings right off my back
She whispered deeply: “Keep it on the track,”
She said: “You’re no angel, no angel anymore,”

All the wheels are coming loose
Close-up shot of a burning fuse
The sky is filled with question marks
Will the chains come apart?
These few seconds that I’ve left to go
Flames and chaos down below
And the earth opens wide
Got to climb a rope on fire

Look at the clock
Look at the clock
Make it to the car but the car won’t start
We try to move the car but there’s no more time
We’ll have to climb a rope on fire

Hand over hand up the lifeline
Luckily the knots stay tight
Silhouettes of the two of us climbing
Climbing up a rope on fire
Climbing up a rope on fire
Climbing up a rope on fire

Only the two of us can disconnect the bomb
Then save ourselves before the oxygen is gone
I’ll call for backup, you start to scream
It’s not the first time we’ve been in this dream

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Night Bmore.

Axe on September 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Night Axe, I know you like to read the lyrics. ; )

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

I’m so sick of these people. Don’t any Muslim countries have any fire hoses with enough water pressure to knock these people on their azzes? And all these celebrities that want this film maker jailed probably kisses Mapplethorpe’s butt and don’t even see the hypocrisy.

Cindy Munford on September 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

I find the Cairo embassy’s statement amazing for someone who has lived in a Muslim country. These folks see their religion in a totally different way than we do — and until we understand and adjust our actions, we will lose every time.

A few years ago a kindergarten teacher in the Sudan allowed her class to name their stuffed bear mascot after Mohammed. The outrage was so high, she almost lost her life, with international intervention, she was not imprisoned for life, only expelled from the country. I brought this story to the attention of a Muslim Pakistani-American co-worker. He thought execution would have been a just punishment. You do not defile the name of the prophet!! I was amazed. After I reexplained the situation to him and mentioned that a number of the boys in the class were probably named Mohamed, he relented a little — maybe she shouldn’t be beheaded for an innocent mistake!!

This guy had gone to grad school here and had worked at the company for more than 5 years, but he still kept a beard and wore a religious hat. we have a lot of culture to overcome to live with these people.

KenInIL on September 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

I meant kissed Mapplethorpe’s ass, he is no longer with us.

Cindy Munford on September 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

RE: Threat to Jakarata US Embassy
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EMERGENCY MESSAGE TO U.S. CITIZENS:

Protest at U.S. Embassy Sep 14, 2012

September 14, 2012

The U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia has been informed by the Indonesian National Police that there is a planned demonstration of approximately 300 people to be held at the Embassy on Friday afternoon, September 14 at 2pm. We advise, as always, that people should avoid large crowds and other gatherings that might turn violent. We will continue to monitor the situation and provide updates if needed.

U.S. citizens living and traveling in Indonesia are urged to enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program and update their contact information with the U.S. Embassy Jakarta, U.S. Consulate General Surabaya, U.S. Consulate Medan or U.S. Consular Agency Bali. Enrolling facilitates the U.S. Mission’s contact with U.S. citizens in emergencies, and may be done online and in advance of travel. Information on enrolling with the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program can be found at the U.S. Department of State’s Consular Affairs website at http://step.state.gov and at the Embassy’s website at http://jakarta.usembassy.gov, where you can also find recent Embassy messages to public.

For the latest security information, U.S. citizens living and traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department of State’s Consular Affairs website at http://travel.state.gov, where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Alerts, Travel Warnings and health-information resources can be found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the U.S. and Canada, or, for callers outside the U.S. and Canada, a regular toll line at 1-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays).

U.S. Embassy Jakarta is located at Jalan Medan Merdeka Selatan 5, Jakarta; the 24-hour switchboard telephone number is 62-21-3435-9000. The telephone number of U.S. Consulate General Surabaya is 62-31-297-5300; U.S. Consulate Medan is 62-61-451-9000; U.S. Consular Agency Bali is 62-361-233-605.
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http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/us-service/wm_09142012.html

canopfor on September 14, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Crap,pulled the trigger to quick,forgot the Linkys!

RE:Threat to Jakarta US Embassy
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http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/

EMERGENCY MESSAGE TO U.S. CITIZENS:
Protest at U.S. Embassy Sep 14, 2012
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http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/us-service/wm_09142012.html

canopfor on September 14, 2012 at 2:57 AM

KenInIL on September 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

I’m sorry but I just can’t even try to understand these folks and their differences. No matter how careful people try to be, they will always find something to be offended and enraged at. They can’t get along with each other except to briefly unite in hate against the West.

Cindy Munford on September 14, 2012 at 2:58 AM

KenInIL on September 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

They are animals in my book. I don’t mind saying that all. I tolerate them no more.

SparkPlug on September 14, 2012 at 3:09 AM

I don’t know where you were born, Mr. Romney (just kidding!), but where I come from, there’s nothing more American than recognizing the idiocy of a man’s views and, at the same time, his right to express them. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, the main threat to our values right now isn’t President Obama, the Egyptians, the Libyans, or our diplomats in Cairo. It’s you.

I don’t know where you were born, Mr. Saletan (just kidding!), but where I come from, there’s nothing more American than recognizing the idiocy of an Islamist’s views and, at the same time recognizing his right to express them. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, the main threat to our values right now isn’t Mitt Romney, the Christians, the Jews, or the Tea Party. It’s you.

FIFY

rokemronnie on September 14, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Latest!
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm…………..

Ayman Mohyeldin ‏@AymanM

Benghazi airport closed due to security situation. Flights to Benghazi being diverted. Stranded in tripoli airport

https://twitter.com/AymanM

Protests continue in Cairo as demonstrators hurl stones at a line of police blocking their way to the US Embassy – @Reuters

2 mins ago by editor

https://twitter.com/Reuters
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No-fly zone imposed over Libyan city of Benghazi for 48 hours following US consulate attack, all flights suspended – @NBCNews’ @AymanM

8 mins ago by editor

https://twitter.com/AymanM
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canopfor on September 14, 2012 at 4:42 AM

From Egypt!
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VIDEO: Egypt army builds wall near US embassy as protesters brace for Friday rally

As street fighting continues near embassy overnight, Muslim Brotherhood and Salafist Nour Party call for Friday protest against anti-Islam film, while warning followers against directing anger at innocent parties

Online , Thursday 13 Sep 2012
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Clashes between protesters and Egyptian Central Security Forces continued near the US embassy in Cairo’s Garden City district into the early hours of Friday morning as demonstrators insisted on voicing their rage over a film produced in the US that mocks Islam and the Prophet Mohamed.

Members of the military have begun constructing a concrete barricade on a street leading to the American embassy in downtown Cairo, as fierce clashes between dozens of protesters and Egypt’s security forces continued through Thursday night in the vicinity.

Two days into the fighting, Which has left dozens injured, police continued to rein tear gas on protesters to stop them from accessing Latin American Street where the security barrier is being built.

Ahram Online reporter on the police side witnessed security forces apparently arresting demonstrators on Friday morning and in some cases heavily beating those dragged off to be detained.

During the night, hundreds of young men chanted against the police and called for people to “respect The Prophet”, making reference to the recent anti-Islam film produced in America that sparked the initial protests at the US embassy on Tuesday.
(More….)

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/52844.aspx
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Video:

US Embassy Cairo clashes
Published on Sep 13, 2012
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Street fights between protesters and police continue into the second day – military build security barricade in vicinity of the US mission

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9qicsICuw&feature=youtu.be

canopfor on September 14, 2012 at 5:18 AM

I purpose Resolution Crusader 2.1: No American military forces will be in a Muslim nation unless they level at least one mosque per day per battalion at the minimum. Marines are expected to level at least two. If any Muslims kill any non-Muslims for “Insulting Islam”, not only will the “insulters” be held completely blameless, 100 Mosques will be leveled in the nation of each of the Muslim attacker’s birth. If the nation of their birth can not be determined, a Muslim nation will be selected by lot. It is further resolved that the birthday’s of Pope Urban II, Charles Martel and Ritter Johann von Österreich will be declared American National Holidays.

VorDaj on September 14, 2012 at 5:33 AM

“Our man” Maliki in Iraq is now trying to stir up Iraqi Muslims against us. Don’t be surprised if Americans are attack there next.

VorDaj on September 14, 2012 at 5:35 AM

This guy had gone to grad school here and had worked at the company for more than 5 years, but he still kept a beard and wore a religious hat. we have a lot of culture to overcome to live with these people.

KenInIL on September 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

Bottom line is that multi-culturalism doesn’t work, at least not with these 7th century barbarians. A muslim called into Hannity’s show yesterday and Hannity eviscerated him and got the guy to admit that he wanted Sharia law in America, and this muslim was a naturalized citizen. They take over by the numbers. Belgium is now 25% muslim and is expected to be more than 50% in the near future. But politicians don’t seem to care.

TxAnn56 on September 14, 2012 at 6:22 AM

My take.

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 6:29 AM

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 6:29 AM

Actually, it’s the tale of the scorpion and the frog, but yeah, that’s exactly what’s happening.

TxAnn56 on September 14, 2012 at 6:52 AM

TxAnn56 on September 14, 2012 at 6:52 AM

Different. I blogged about that tale 2 years ago. Look up the old 60s song “Take Me In, O Tender Woman”.

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 6:56 AM

. “… We have the greatest respect for people of faith… this video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose, to denigrate a great religion and to promote rage.”

Yeah right. Unless the religion is Christianity. Hypocritical panderers.

conservative pilgrim on September 14, 2012 at 7:24 AM

I don’t know where you were born, Mr. Romney (just kidding!), but where I come from, there’s nothing more American than recognizing the idiocy of a man’s views and, at the same time, his right to express them. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, the main threat to our values right now isn’t President Obama, the Egyptians, the Libyans, or our diplomats in Cairo. It’s you.

Romney is the problem? Are you serious?! Leftists are crazy.

conservative pilgrim on September 14, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Yeah right. Unless the religion is Christianity. Hypocritical panderers.

conservative pilgrim on September 14, 2012 at 7:24 AM

The lesson is: To gain respect be violent and kill if you must.

CW on September 14, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Don’t worry boys and girls. Mr. Cool Preezy’s got his priorities in order. How do I know this? Check out the last tweet sent from his Twitter account 8 hrs ago.

@BarackObama

Beyoncé and Jay-Z are hosting the President in New York—your chance for two spots on the guest list ends at midnight: http://OFA.BO/X4goCa

See, everything’s under control. Geez, you guys worry too much.

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 7:53 AM

It looked and sounded just as stupid at the time. It’s just some folks are easy to con.

Bmore on September 14, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Yes, but why are so many of them occupying high elected positions in our government?

AZCoyote on September 14, 2012 at 7:55 AM

I don’t know where you were born, Mr. Romney (just kidding!), but where I come from, there’s nothing more American than recognizing the idiocy of a man’s views and, at the same time, his right to express them. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, the main threat to our values right now isn’t President Obama, the Egyptians, the Libyans, or our diplomats in Cairo. It’s you.

You all must check out this excellent response to the article where the above shockingly idiotic quote came from:http://ace.mu.nu/archives/332844.php<http://ace.mu.nu/archives/332844.php

bluegill on September 14, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Sarah Palin gave a great analysis in that video. She’s so much more appealing when she is not 1) going out of her way to try to divide conservatives 2) playing the victim card and whining about the “elites” and the “estbalishment” who are supposedly trying to shut her up and 3) talking like a crude truck driver and making unbecoming, distracting and inappropriate *wink, wink* zingers alluding to Obama’s genitalia.

bluegill on September 14, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Modern Islamic culture, say, post Second World War, has a death wish. They saw the world go by them and they can’t handle it, so they wish violence upon the rest of the world.

Now, adult Moslem Countries, such as Indonesia had a history of gaining their own independence on their own terms, while avoiding the culture of shame and mysogyny so present among the Arabs and Persians.

When the Japanese conducted their Centrifugal Offensive in 1942, they were met with open arms in Java, Sumatra, and other former Dutch Colonies. Batavia (now known as Djakarta) was wide open to them. During the Pacific War, Indonesia was a quiet backwater of an increasingly beleaguered Japanese Empire. At any one time, the Japanese had to station, at most, two divisions throughout the Indonesian Archipelago (for example, Hiroshima’s famous “Carp” Division, the Fifth Infantry, was nowhere near Hiroshima when the Enola Gay dropped the bomb on that town. That unit was down in Indonesia doing what passed for a lazy occupation duty.).

Japan basically recognized an independent Indonesia under the independence leader Sukarno and several other anti-Dutch leaders, within the auspices of the Co-Prosperity Sphere. The trade-off was all the oil the Imperial Japanese Navy could use at reasonable prices, at least until towards the end of the war, when the value of the yen cratered. All of this despite the impressment of tens of thousands of Javanese as slave-laborers. As a result, the Dutch were only able to come back after the war, hang around for five years under the might of the Royal Navy’s Tiger Squadron, and then leave Batavia with their tails between their legs to the new, independent, Moslem, Sukarno Government in 1949.

The Arabs, otoh, know only shame, humiliation, and Sykes-Picot. Ever since the Revolt against the Turks, led by the Al-Faisal and the Hashemite Houses (with some significant help from Her Majesty’s forces) the Arabs have seen their nations as the playthings of foreign powers and, of course, the Joooooooos, whom they see as a cancer in their presence. The notion of The Other prevents Moslem Arab culture from tackling the serious problems of power, accountability, and corruption, that have stricken Muslim culture in that part of the world since the time of the Prophet.

Fascist Movements can take root in this fertile ground, which is what Al Qaeda always was. Qaeda, like Mussolini’s Blackshirts before them, promised the return to the Glorious Past that never was and the restoration of Honor of the individual man who appeared to be lost while the West, and suddenly the Chinese, raced ahead.

The presence of a 21st Century Jewish State, armed to the teeth, prosperous, and suddenly sitting right next to a significant amount of oil, only served to increase the rage of a seemingly helpless generation of young men. Qaeda, in particular, and Islamic Fascism in general, offered the Arabs the chance to strike back at their perceived oppressors. All of this without having to do the needed business of cleaning their own stables. Our expeditions to that part of the world changed none of this, because we could not make strong, self-confident democrats out of chronically weak men who blame others for their condition. Despite the good intentions of destroying the mass killer Saddam and the mass murderer Osama bin-Laden, like all good deeds, ours did not go unpunished.

One cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

Prediction? The Arabs will do something stupid. The West likes to be liked so much that they will allow these people to get their hands on deliverable atomic material and we will lose a city to these weak and small men. They are actually on a death ride, because when that happens, liberal, proper Westerners will become what they were in the 1940′s: willing to kill and exterminate in massive numbers.

The most dangerous place in the world is the space between a liberal and his quiet life. Conservatives underestimate, I think, how many people liberals are willing to kill when they feel that their own survival is at stake.

I say this because the Arabs never witnessed things like Passchendale, the Somme, Hiroshima, Kharkov, Stalingrad, Monte Cassino, Guadalcanal, Leyte Gulf and an entire catalogue of catastrophes over a period of 40 years that wiped out almost two generations of young people. So war and jihad seem glorious and attractive to them, as it did to the young people of Europe in August, 1914.

victor82 on September 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Sarah Palin gave a great analysis in that video. She’s so much more appealing when she is not 1) going out of her way to try to divide conservatives 2) playing the victim card and whining about the “elites” and the “estbalishment” who are supposedly trying to shut her up and 3) talking like a crude truck driver and making unbecoming, distracting and inappropriate *wink, wink* zingers alluding to Obama’s genitalia.

bluegill on September 14, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Would you PLEASE drink a huge cup of SHUT THE F**K UP!

Romney couldn’t even handle some hecklers that Chicago Jesus sent over yesterday. You should be ashamed of yourself for even posting here. In fact, you should should get boiling tar, feathers and a rail and ride yourself out of town on.

If you are not a Democratic Moby working for the Obama Campaign, I’ll eat my hat.

victor82 on September 14, 2012 at 8:40 AM

What’s this I see, a pile of dog crap blocking my way during my morning stroll?

*walks around it and continues*

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 8:49 AM

I’m walking with you, ma’am.

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Would you PLEASE drink a huge cup of SHUT THE F**K UP!

Romney couldn’t even handle some hecklers that Chicago Jesus sent over yesterday. You should be ashamed of yourself for even posting here. In fact, you should should get boiling tar, feathers and a rail and ride yourself out of town on.

victor82 on September 14, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Oh, I get it. Because I pointed out some things that have bothered me about Palin, you reacted by launching some silly tirade at me and decided to attack Romney as a way to get back at me. Real mature. And people wonder why the more extreme Sarah Palin fanatics are likened to cultists worshiping in the Church of St. Palin the Victimized.

And, for the record, Romney handled the press with aplomb yesterday.

bluegill on September 14, 2012 at 8:55 AM

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 8:52 AM

With everything that’s been going on over the past 3 days my bp has been so high even my meds can’t keep it under control. No need to add to my stress level when it can be avoided.

Praying that today isn’t as bad as everyone expects it to be, but from the early news reports I’m seeing…

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 8:58 AM

What’s this I see, a pile of dog crap blocking my way during my morning stroll?

*walks around it and continues*

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 8:49 AM

I agree with that characteriztion of victor82′s response to me. Well put.

bluegill on September 14, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Oh look, another pile of dog crap.

*walks around it and continues*

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Oh look, another pile of dog crap.

*walks around it and continues*

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Don’t talk a about kingjester like that. He is a respected commenter on this site.

bluegill on September 14, 2012 at 9:02 AM

HA really needs to curb the dog crap that keeps getting dropped in my way in this thread.

*thought while walking around it and continuing again*

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Darlin’, do you hear some little insignificant gnat buzzing around?

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 9:12 AM

I guess someone feels this thread hasn’t be fully exploited.

Cindy Munford on September 14, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Cindy Munford on September 14, 2012 at 9:12 AM

You are correct, ma’am.

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Oh, I get it. Because I pointed out some things that have bothered me about Palin, you reacted by launching some silly tirade at me and decided to attack Romney as a way to get back at me. Real mature. And people wonder why the more extreme Sarah Palin fanatics are likened to cultists worshiping in the Church of St. Palin the Victimized.

And, for the record, Romney handled the press with aplomb yesterday.

bluegill on September 14, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Kiss my a$$. We’re in the middle of a serious foreign policy situation, and you used that event to troll about Palin. I actually want Romney to win this election. You, on the other hand, have another agenda entirely, I suspect.

You need to be ridden our of town on a rail. Governor Marmalarde’s campaign is coming off the rails, primarily because he didn’t take the advice of people like Palin who demanded that he stand for something: conservatism.

You’re either an Obot or a Bushie, but I really don’t think you want Romney to win this election. If you did, you wouldn’t be on here trashing Palin all the time and doing everything you could to divide and anger conservatives and Republicans at a critical time.

Now go take your imperial “we” and stick it.

victor82 on September 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Darlin’, do you hear some little insignificant gnat buzzing around?

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 9:12 AM

No, actually I’m hearing something more like this.

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Flora Duh on September 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

LOL!

kingsjester on September 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM

You’re either an Obot or a Bushie, but I really don’t think you want Romney to win this election. If you did, you wouldn’t be on here trashing Palin all the time and doing everything you could to divide and anger conservatives and Republicans at a critical time.

Now go take your imperial “we” and stick it.

victor82 on September 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

You are correct. Bluegill is a Moby agitator right out of the pages of alinsky.

SparkPlug on September 14, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Testing to see if this QOTD thread works. I can’t get into the QOTD thread of 9/14/12. Keep getting script error due to the ABC video which I don’t even activate. Have to use Task Manager to get out, as the script error locks up and can’t even close it.

bluefox on September 14, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Reading a few of the last comments on this thread, LOL I see the minnow is at it again:-)

bluefox on September 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM

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