Libyan pol: It was obvious that the consulate in Benghazi needed much better security

posted at 5:21 pm on September 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Ace, maybe we can get the media interested in the administration’s negligence here if we start referring to it as a “gaffe.”

As gaffes go, this one’s a biggie:

[A]lthough the scene in the American consulate’s canteen in Benghazi on Tuesday morning looked serene, under the surface there were signs of potential trouble, according to the Libyan politician who had breakfast with Stevens the morning before the ambassador and three other Americans died in a violent assault by armed Islamic militants. “I told him the security was not enough,” Fathi Baja, a political science professor and one of the leaders of Libya’s rebel government during last year’s revolution, told TIME on Thursday. “I said, ‘Chris, this is a U.S. consulate. You have to add to the number of people, bring Americans here to guard it, because the Libyans are not trained.”…

U.S. officials told reporters on Wednesday that the Benghazi consulate had “a robust American security presence, including a strong component of regional security officers.” And indeed, one of the four Americans killed was a former Navy SEAL, Glen Doherty, who was “on security detail” and “protecting the ambassador,” his sister Katie Quigly told the Boston Globe. Also killed was an information management officer, Sean Smith. The fourth American who died has not yet been identified. Yet Baja described a very different picture from his visit on Tuesday morning, even remarking at how relaxed the scene was when he returned to the consulate building a short while after leaving Stevens, in order to collect the mobile phone he had accidentally left behind. “The consulate was very calm, with video [surveillance] cameras outside,” Baja said. “But inside there were only four security guards, all Libyans—four!—and with only Kalshnikovs on their backs. I said, ‘Chris, this is the most powerful country in the world. Other countries all have more guards than the U.S.,’” he said, naming as two examples Jordan and Morocco.

Again, this was the anniversary of 9/11 and a consulate that had been targeted before in a country where armed militias still patrol the streets. In a way, I could understand if the White House had taken a chance with less security at the embassy in Cairo: The Egyptian military and police still have a monopoly on force, more or less, so the State Department powers that be might have concluded that the threat of a full-on attack was relatively small. Not so in Libya. You have a fledgling national army there and a culture that’s still transitioning to something resembling civil society after decades of Qaddafi. Jihadis didn’t need state complicity to carry out their plan to hit the consulate (on the contrary, the Libyan government has been contrite over what happened), so it was essential that the U.S. provide its own security. It didn’t. How come, Foreign-Policy President?

Speaking of taking a chance on less security in Egypt, lots of people are e-mailing about a story at the Washington Free Beacon noting a report that Marines at the Cairo embassy weren’t allowed by Ambassador Anne Patterson to carry live ammo. The original report cites “USMC blogs” for that claim, but Time reporter Mark Thompson says he can’t find any blogs alleging that. In a statement to Time, a Pentagon spokesman said, “With or without a weapon, Marines are always armed. I’ve heard nothing to suggest they don’t have ammunition.” I’ll update with more info as I hear of it. Needless to say, if the administration is disarming its own security, that’s a story “gaffe” worth covering. The good news? At least there were Marines on the scene in Cairo, armed or not. If only that had been true in Benghazi.

Exit question: What did the Foreign-Policy President have to do yesterday that was so important that he decided to skip his daily intel briefing — the day after an American ambassador was murdered? Ah, right.

Update: According to Mother Jones, a memo from the Corps’ congressional liaison says that the Marines at the Cairo embassy did indeed have live ammo:

The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.

Jake Tapper’s being told the same thing by an Obama administration official.


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RovesChins on September 13, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Lt. Columbo Impression: Excuse me, Mr. President. But, shouldn’t the safety of our nation come before your re-election campaigning, sir?

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Funny thing, I prefer my guns to have ammo. In this particular case in Egypt, SpammoAmmo™.

Bmore on September 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

So much for Obama’s “Open Hand” strategy with the Arab world.

VastRightWingConspirator on September 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

But have you gone through the time line on the Mitt Romney statement…it was way too early to criticize our Leader.

d1carter on September 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I agree Meghan, the optics are just terrible. – some stupid Dem consultant on Meghan Kelly’s show today.

The optics? Four people are dead and were quite possibly tortured and abused while president punk-*ss went to bed! But the optics for his Las Vegas trip were terrible? These people are disgusting.

JAM on September 13, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Libyan pols appearantly don’t ditch their security briefings so they know what’s up.

Lily on September 13, 2012 at 5:26 PM

One is assuming that muslim-in-Chief thinks of 9/11 the same way most Americans do. He doesn’t. It was our “chickens coming home to roost” as his substitute father figure iterated to us all.

SouthernGent on September 13, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Guess those few who was there for security needed bullets in their guns to help? Just like our S border, bean bags to fling at the bad guys shooting at them?
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letget on September 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Anybody think the attacks on our embassies were somehow related?

d1carter on September 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM

God help us.
And forgive me my rising hatred for these people, in whose hands the safety of Amercans rest. Utter ignorance and incompetence.
HATE !!

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I’m sure this will headline the evening news tonight at all the alphabet networks!

johnnybgood on September 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I’ve been President now for almost four years. I’ve had to make thousands of decisions, and each one of those decisions has been a learning process. I’ve seen the strength of my nation, and I’ve seen the crises it approached in a tentative way. And I’ve had to deal with those crises as best I could… The United States must be a nation strong; the United States must be a nation secure. We must have a society that’s just and fair. And we must extend the benefits of our own commitment to peace, to create a peaceful world. I believe that since I’ve been in office, there have been six or eight areas of combat evolved in other parts of the world. In each case, I alone have had to determine the interests of my country and the degree of involvement of my country. I’ve done that with moderation, with care, with thoughtfulness; sometimes consulting experts. But, I’ve learned in this last three and a half years that when an issue is extremely difficult, when the call is very close, the chances are the experts will be divided almost 50-50. And the final judgment about the future of the nation – war, peace, involvement, reticence, thoughtfulness, care, consideration, concern – has to be made by the man in the Oval Office. It’s a lonely job…

- Jimmy Carter, 1980 Presidential Debate

aunursa on September 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM

U.S. Embassy in Benghazi security under Obama = a locked door.

LASue on September 13, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Exit question: What did the Foreign-Policy President have to do yesterday that was so important that he decided to skip his daily intel briefing — the day after an American ambassador was murdered? Ah, right.

He had to pick up his rhinestone showgirl thong from the cleaners?
Disgraceful pos.

RovesChins on September 13, 2012 at 5:30 PM

aunursa on September 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM

“There you go again, Mr. President.” _R. Reagan

God I miss him!!!

Deano1952 on September 13, 2012 at 5:31 PM

I think we elected Homer Simpson as POTUS.

EliTheBean on September 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Couldn’t we get some bullets from the Social Security Administration to help with Consulate security?

trubble on September 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Remember, his intel briefing amounts to receiving an email !!
No personal interchange, questions, answers, etc.
A FREAKING EMAIL NOTICE !!!!
Surely he can read that on AF1 or in Vegas.
No biggie, right ?
sigh

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

So much for Obama’s “Open Hand” strategy with the Arab world.

VastRightWingConspirator on September 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I suggest a pivot to a “Middle Finger” strategy. Seems they only respect force.

teke184 on September 13, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Pentagon spokesman said, “With or without a weapon, Marines are always armed. I’ve heard nothing to suggest they don’t have ammunition.”

IOW, we think there was no ammo, but we are afraid to ask.

faraway on September 13, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Confucious say: “When you bring gun to RPG fight, at least have bullets.”

faraway on September 13, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I think we elected Homer Simpson as POTUS.

EliTheBean on September 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

No, Homer would be a step up. He at least knows he’s an idiot.

squint on September 13, 2012 at 5:38 PM

teke184 on September 13, 2012 at 5:34 PM

bho only does the ‘middle finger’ thing to people here in the US he doesn’t like? I will look to see if Mitt gets that from bho?
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letget on September 13, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Via Ace, maybe we can get the media interested in the administration’s negligence here if we start referring to it as a “gaffe.”

Obama never makes gaffes. He ‘evolves’.

Liam on September 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Remember, his intel briefing amounts to receiving an email !!
No personal interchange, questions, answers, etc.
A FREAKING EMAIL NOTICE !!!!
Surely he can read that on AF1 or in Vegas.
No biggie, right ?
sigh

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Quick! Someone check his spam folder!

squint on September 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Exit question: What did the Foreign-Policy President have to do yesterday that was so important that he decided to skip his daily intel briefing — the day after an American ambassador was murdered? Ah, right.

“You don’t go to Vegas” – Dear Liar.

Unless it’s the day after an ambassador is murdered.

rbj on September 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Maybe Barry should send some Chicago teens to guard our embassies in the middle east.

That would solve a couple of Barry’s problems at once. He’d get the out-of-school teens off the Chicago streets, and at least we’d have people at our embassies who are experienced shooters and always have live ammo.

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Jay Carney: He is a voracious reader of all his intel briefing materials…heh.

d1carter on September 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM

So when will someone in the media ask Precedent Honey Boo Boo if he regrets attending yet another fundraiser while Americans were in harms way?

HumpBot Salvation on September 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Well he’s so concerned about this that he in Colorado backing up their traffic today. Gotta make that money…

sandee on September 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Criminal

Philly on September 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM

We teach Marines Combatics….Unarmed fighting techniques.
So, we dont need no stinking ammo!!!!
Deploy the Chuck Norris Lone Wolf Marine Expeditionary Unit Brigade now!

/sarc

Varchild on September 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM

In his next term, Obama will have the flexibility to secure American embassies in unstable Islamic hellholes.

Django on September 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Since the Cairo Marines weren’t allowed to have live ammo one can only hope that there was not also a prohibition against using “bad language” if the compound was overrun.

Or maybe there was…

Bruno Strozek on September 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I wonder if those libyan guys had any idear thier guns were bone dry. WOO HOO

archo on September 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Security, like prezidentin and mtah iz teh hardz.

On a serious note, these are the people that are heading up the security of the USA.

Wile B. Obama
Security Systems Super Genius

jukin3 on September 13, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Jay Carney: He is a voracious reader of all his intel briefing materials…heh.

d1carter on September 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM

“Is that Edward and Bella peeking out from under your intel breifing materials Mr. President?”

squint on September 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Let’s see if we can narrow down some where the problems are occurred.

Does the Pentagon have input into securing embassies and consulates? Does it have generic standards or something the State Department can refer to when the need to ask for it arises?

Does the Pentagon have a “go to” office for State, which provides recommendations and coordinates on needs?

I expect so for both. Assuming I’m correct, what are/were their recommendations? Is it possible the Pentagon recommended we let four Libyans take care of securing the Benghazi consulate? Did State find that acceptable?

I think those are enough for now in determining whether the Pentagon is in or out of the loop on this “gaffe.”

Dusty on September 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

I’m pretty sure that even the rent-a-cop who guards my office building would have figured out our Embassy needed more security.

President Xerxes? Not so much…

JustTurnRight on September 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

My first response is – Why on earth would this idiot leave our consulate undefended in a country wracked by bloody civil war – where the winning side is comprised mainly of terrorists who hate the US?

But I guess it fits perfectly with the Dems standard gun policies. We wouldn’t want potential victims to be able to defend themselves would we?

When minutes count, Obummer has the (armed) Marines only hours away….

dentarthurdent on September 13, 2012 at 5:47 PM

If it’s true our soldiers were stripped of their ammo, some heads need to roll and Team Romney has got the only foreign policy issue it needs to hammer day in and day out.

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 5:48 PM

No, Marines (MSG) in Cairo without ammo is not good, AP. What they are in that condition is a target. And if it’s true- and it very well could be- than that decision was made so as not to make the US look provocative. It’s a typical liberal position and preemptive “blame America first” thinking.

The reason the Libyan official said the American embassy lacked enough security is because they freakin’ hate us in that part of the world. Obama becoming president did not -contrary to the White House resident’s belief- change that. The attack on 9/11 -of all days- reinforces that notion.

So if we’re going to maintain a diplomatic presence in Libya or Egypt or any other country for that matter, we need to make sure our personnel and sensitive equipment and documents are adequately protected with a strong American guard.

And if the Pentagon actually said “With or without a weapon, Marines are always armed”, that spokesman should be relieved for his or her idiocy. As a Marine veteran myself, it’s pretty damned aggravating to know they’re putting my brothers out there in harms way without an adequate defense. I know some MSG and what they go through. They shouldn’t be treated like sacrificial lambs.

BKeyser on September 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM

President Obama told his campaign volunteers in Nevada that he is “really proud” of them after comparing them to the U.S. ambassador and embassy staff murdered in Libya.

“And obviously [our] hearts are broken for the families but I wanted to encourage those folks at the State Dept. that they were making a difference,” Obama told volunteer leaders in Las Vegas, according to the pool report. “The sacrifices that our troops and our diplomats make are obviously very different from the challenges that we face here domestically but like them, you guys are Americans who sense that we can do better than we’re doing….I’m just really proud of you.”

Obama, during his talk with the volunteers, described his visit to the State Department today. “I had a chance to go to the State Dept. to comfort some of the friends and co-workers of the the folks who had fallen and I reminded them that as hard as things are sometimes, as difficult as change is that if we’re resolute, if we don’t give up, if we don’t give in, if we don’t become cynical, if we continue to be realistic about how hard change is but also keep in our hearts that sense of idealism and sense of purpose then over time good things happen,” he said.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-compares-his-campaign-volunteers-to-embassy-staff-killed-in-libya/article/2507830

melle1228 on September 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM

“Hit me!”

I’d love to, Barky.”

Bishop on September 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Hilary joins the Great Apologist in too effusively apologizing for the film that “denigrates a great religion.” Right. Give that apology a lot of airplay. And blogplay.

anotherJoe on September 13, 2012 at 5:50 PM

The Adults Aren’t in Charge.

Del Dolemonte on September 13, 2012 at 5:50 PM

aunursa on September 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Coming soon to a teleprompter near you…

Wow. I had never read that. What a complete lack of accepting responsibility.

VastRightWingConspirator on September 13, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Jay Carney: He is a voracious reader of all his intel briefing materials…heh.

d1carter on September 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Yep, he skims through it while he’s watching Keeping Up with the Kardashians.

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 5:52 PM

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 5:48 PM

If we had a free press, someone would find out why the H*LL that happened.
WHO gave THAT order ??

Alas.

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 5:53 PM

0bama: “So what do you thinkg about today’s threat assessment Mr. President?”

0bama: “I could writhe a better brief than this!”

0bama: ” Of course I could.”

0bama: “What date is today?”

0bama: ” I don’t know but sometime in 2008.”

0bama: ” han you one smart SOB.”

0bama: “Yes, I have a gift Barry.”

0bama: “Well all looks good.”

Remember this is the guy that had a second level aide tell him that he should have had a Plan B during the debt downgrade crisis.

jukin3 on September 13, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Meanwhile, the Feds and the media have revealed who the filmmaker is for all the world to know.

Punchenko on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Needless to say, if the administration is disarming its own security, that’s a story “gaffe” worth covering

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Brian Terry only have bean bags for ammunition? Perhaps this lack of ammunition is more pervasive than we realize.

I am scared for our world, truly scared and heartsick : (

herm2416 on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Speaking of taking a chance on less security in Egypt, lots of people are e-mailing about a story at the Washington Free Beacon noting a report that Marines at the Cairo embassy weren’t allowed by Ambassador Anne Patterson to carry live ammo. The original report cites “USMC blogs” for that claim, but Time reporter Mark Thompson says he can’t find any blogs alleging that.

Well, Anne Patterson could confirm it. Or deny it. It’s funny that no one bothered to ask her. Or ask where she was.

BTW, where the h&ll is she?

Dusty on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Okay, lets keep a running tab on the key events that we’ve learned since the media will never lead with it:

- Our consulate in Libya was a known security risk prior to the attack.
-Obama skipped his security briefings prior to the attack.
-The consulate only had locked doors and a few Libyan security personnel to guard against threats.
- The Libyan provided security team actually lead the terrorists to our Ambassador they were supposed to protect.
- Obama, knowing his Ambassador was unaccounted for and in peril, went to bed that night and slept through the murder of a U.S. official.
-Obama takes no questions from the Press.
- Obama goes to Vegas.
-Obama skips a national security briefing the day after one of his Ambassadors is murdered.
-Obama chastises Romney for criticizing what the Egyptian Embassy wrote.
-Obama’s administration ends up agreeing with Romney.

Help me out. Am I forgetting anything that the Empty Chair in Chief has done?

Weight of Glory on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Maybe Barry should send some Chicago teens to guard our embassies in the middle east.

That would solve a couple of Barry’s problems at once. He’d get the out-of-school teens off the Chicago streets, and at least we’d have people at our embassies who are experienced shooters and always have live ammo.

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Or how about the New Black Panthers from Philly? They could redeem themselves with military service, the Libyans wouldn’t want to mess with them, and it might increase the turnout of lil’ ol’ ladies in Pennsylvania.

Steve Z on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I can’t wait for BHO’s appearance on Letterman Tuesday night so we can get to the bottom of this…

d1carter on September 13, 2012 at 5:55 PM

But, but… Romney and… China… or something. LOOK OVER THERE, SOMETHING SHINY!

Midas on September 13, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Jay Carney: He is a voracious reader of all his intel briefing materials…heh.

d1carter on September 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Hey! I just figured out who Mr. President reminds me of. I could never quite figure it out. He’s the kid who was reading the Economics tome on the Hooked on Phonics commercial from back in the day. You know, that commercial where the kid was reading this 8 inch thick college economics text perfectly word for word like it was such a great and awesome thing to do. Even though he clearly had NO IDEA what he was saying. But man could he read those words like a champ.

It’s gotta be the same guy.

Lily on September 13, 2012 at 5:59 PM

We don’t have a Media. To expect otherwise is to believe in Pixie Dust.

ashiya on September 13, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Brian Terry only have bean bags for ammunition? Perhaps this lack of ammunition is more pervasive than we realize.

I am scared for our world, truly scared and heartsick : (

herm2416 on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

So our military and state department security teams in violent anti-American countries can NOT have live ammo, but federal agencies (SSN, DHS, Interior, etc) all across THIS country are buying up enough MILLIONS of rounds of large caliber hollow-points.
Tell me what’s wrong with that equation.

dentarthurdent on September 13, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Weight of Glory on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

- Obama claims Egypt is not an ally
- admin backtracks on that

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Everyone should go to the Washington Post and read the comment section for Marc Thiessen’s piece that AP linked to.

This country is doomed.

JPeterman on September 13, 2012 at 6:03 PM

[melle1228 on September 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM]

When it comes to Obama, nothing amazes me any more.

‘Buck up subjects. Your only regret should be that you have only one life to give for your country. And no one should know that better than me, because I’m running that country.’

Dusty on September 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM

No, Marines (MSG) in Cairo without ammo is not good, AP. What they are in that condition is a target. And if it’s true- and it very well could be- than that decision was made so as not to make the US look provocative. It’s a typical liberal position and preemptive “blame America first” thinking.

Let’s get real here, people! The American Embassy in Paris, France is protected by at least six armed guards, whose machine guns are clearly visible, and all the windows have bars, even those not on the ground floor. And Paris is a much safer place for Americans than Libya, except if you’re in the path of Lady Di’s chauffeur.

An American embassy or consulate in a potentially hostile country needs to be protected by armed guards from the American military, whose loyalties are unquestionable. They are not provocative, they are purely defensive, but they need to be armed, to intimidate any aggressors.

Steve Z on September 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM


Obama:
Foreign-Policy President

Probably the most (unintentionally) Hilarious phrase EVER used to describe our pathetic fraud of a Leader.

Tim_CA on September 13, 2012 at 6:05 PM

In a statement to Time, a Pentagon spokesman said, “With or without a weapon, Marines are always armed. I’ve heard nothing to suggest they don’t have ammunition.”

Allah, come on. That is a CLASSIC non-denial denial. It is a yes or no question: Do the United States Marines at the Cairo embassy have loaded weapons — and orders to use them to protect the foreign service officials there? Yes or no? The phrase “I’ve heard nothing to suggest they don’t have ammunition” is neither a yes nor a no. The guy is a freaking “Pentagon spokesman.” Get the facts, and answer the question. But given the answer provided, I’d say it’s somewhere north of 80% likely that they DO NOT have loaded weapons — or, rather, did not, but will by the time someone bothers to get around to asking this Pentagon genius again.

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 6:06 PM

TEAM ROMNEY, THIS IS FOR YOU, YOUR KNOCKOUT PUNCH:

Confirm whether it’s true that our soldiers or the contractors protecting the Libyan consulate in Benghazi were stripped of their ammo by the State Department or the Pentagon, for that matter. If so, GO TO TOWN!!!

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM

And Paris is a much safer place for Americans than Libya, except if you’re in the path of Lady Di’s chauffeur.

[Steve Z on September 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM]

Don’t tell me the State Department is still worried about that threat.

Dusty on September 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Meanwhile, the Feds and the media have revealed who the filmmaker is for all the world to know.

Punchenko on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Un-friggin’-believable that Holder is investigating this guy and exposing his identity to the media. If the film maker ends up getting killed, I hope his family sues Holder from here to Kingdom Come. There is no damned excuse for this.

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM

The Hypocrites were all over Bush for not seeing 9/11 coming.

So they hump Barry’s leg and give his administration a pass for the lack of high security in embassies on the anniversary of 9/11.

Ooops, my bad. We are so LOVED around the world, we have no need for security.

Or is Barry counting those 4 Libyan security jobs as part of his “4 million jobs created”?

GarandFan on September 13, 2012 at 6:09 PM

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Ah yes! THank you. There’s been so much stupidity out of Obama, It’s hard to keep track.

Weight of Glory on September 13, 2012 at 6:10 PM

So our military and state department security teams in violent anti-American countries can NOT have live ammo, but federal agencies (SSN, DHS, Interior, etc) all across THIS country are buying up enough MILLIONS of rounds of large caliber hollow-points.
Tell me what’s wrong with that equation.

dentarthurdent on September 13, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Well, Americans believe in the right to bear arms so, of course, every nook and cranny of the government needs to be armed. How dare all you hillbillies say otherwise? However, Muslims do NOT want their victims to fight back and we shouldn’t think of offending their delicate sensibilities when we are in their country by arming ourselves or our officials.

Or something like that.

Lily on September 13, 2012 at 6:10 PM

In a statement to Time, a Pentagon spokesman said, “With or without a weapon, Marines are always armed. I’ve heard nothing to suggest they don’t have ammunition.”

That spokesman should be fired, stat, and his tongue should be removed so that no one would ever hire him as a spokesman in the future. In-f**king-credible!

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Help me out. Am I forgetting anything that the Empty Chair in Chief has done?

[Weight of Glory on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM]

I think he said he’s reinforced security at the burned out hulk of our interim consulate in Benghazi.

Dusty on September 13, 2012 at 6:12 PM

The fourth American who died has not yet been identified

perhaps a new star on the wall at langley. damn this administration.

t8stlikchkn on September 13, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Funny thing, I prefer my guns to have ammo. In this particular case in Egypt, SpammoAmmo™.

Bmore on September 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Remember that the sailors on guard duty on the USS Cole were also carrying empty rifles.

AZfederalist on September 13, 2012 at 6:16 PM

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I fully agree, but we must consider that he will NEVER be permitted access to such intel, without an inside whistleblower.
I’ll pray for someone inside, who’s pi$$ed off enough to start talking to the Mitt team.

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Meanwhile, the Feds and the media have revealed who the filmmaker is for all the world to know.

Punchenko on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

They mean to get him killed. Read that again: The United States federal government is actively — and brazenly — involved in efforts to get an American citizen assassinated because his exercise of free speech collides with its leader’s Islamofascist agenda. And some mock us when we speak of the coming re-education camps. And they mock us when we point out that barack’s good friend, American terrorist William Ayers, speculated that he and barack and their friends would have to kill, “oh, maybe 25 million” fellow Americans in order to realize their dream of a vicious tyrannical state. Yes. They mock us. They’ll be mocking us all the way to their own hangings, and at the very last minute, they’ll say, “Oh shi—” but it’ll be too late. I try to find some solace in how history will reveal these enablers of tyranny, murder, and unspeakable human suffering. I try…

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Back in 2008 there was a huge 9/11 program at Ground Zero. The presidential candidates all went along with the spouses except for Michelle. All had roses to lay at the memorial that had building rubble still around it. All laid their roses respectfully on the memorial. Obama? He tossed his.

Next up, Sept. 11, 2011. Michelle and Barack at the program at the new, inspirational memorial that was being dedicated that day. It was a solem occasion. They had the flag that was hung on the rubble that fateful day. You couldn’t exactly see what they were doing with it, but they may have taken it down and folded it up with the military doing the honors. You could see a closeup of Michelle turning to Barack and and saying in his ear, “All of this for a d@mned flag.” What can you say to this much disrespect of the people he governs? Vote him out!

BetseyRoss on September 13, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Meanwhile, the Feds and the media have revealed who the filmmaker is for all the world to know.

Punchenko on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Yeah, I’d read that. That they were even investigating or trying to find out who he was is, in and of itself, a travesty. Does that mean that everyone who produces a movie critical to Islam is subject to investigation? Worse than anything McCarthy was ever accused of doing.

OK, Holder, investigate me. I’m producing and directing a video of a variety of different kinds of individuals, actors all, pissing on a poster of Mohammed, who’ll be photoshopped as dressed in drag. We’ll have a homeless man, a priest, a rabbi, a woman in a bikini, another woman in a burkha, a guy in a suit with a briefcase, and ending with an Arkansas Razorback fan dressed in full costume, all pissing on the poster.

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Couldn’t we get some bullets from the Social Security Administration to help with Consulate security?

trubble on September 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

It’s very interesting that the SS Administration, EPA, Fish and Wildlife Commission, etc. are very well stocked up on ammo, but the border agents and our troops in harm’s way are not. Could someone explain this? Will anyone ask?

Night Owl on September 13, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Foreign, policy president

clnurnberg on September 13, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Meanwhile, the Feds and the media have revealed who the filmmaker is for all the world to know.

Punchenko on September 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM

An absolute disgrace. What in the hell is wrong with people? The filmmaker is not the problem here, nor is a dumb video. It’s the fact these barbarians see fit to riot and murder at the drop of a hat. THAT mindset is the problem. THEY are the ones that killed our ambassador. I am tired of this apologetic, walking on eggshell attitude we’re adopting. Grow a pair and tell those bozos, in the words of Krauthammer, to go to hell. Or, better yet, clear out the embassy and help them along in that journey.

Ugh.

changer1701 on September 13, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Gateway pundit is reporting some grisly details of the MURDER.

clnurnberg on September 13, 2012 at 6:28 PM

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I fully agree, but we must consider that he will NEVER be permitted access to such intel, without an inside whistleblower.
I’ll pray for someone inside, who’s pi$$ed off enough to start talking to the Mitt team.

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 6:16 PM

If it was a pentagon order, you may be right, but state department memos are much harder to keep black. Plus, you’ve got to think that a fellow Marine of SEAL who lost their brothers might be able to provide some concrete written or recorded confirmation, even if anonymously.

This is potentially so big, the proof will surface somehow, if it’s true.

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I reminded them that as hard as things are sometimes, as difficult as change is that if we’re resolute, if we don’t give up, if we don’t give in, if we don’t become cynical, if we continue to be realistic about how hard change is but also keep in our hearts that sense of idealism and sense of purpose then over time good things happen,” he said.

This is the rambling of an idiot. This is why I mute this a$$hole.

Night Owl on September 13, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Everyone should go to the Washington Post and read the comment section for Marc Thiessen’s piece that AP linked to.

This country is doomed.

JPeterman on September 13, 2012 at 6:03 PM

On the other hand, read the comments on this piece at USA Today about Holder “investigating” the “anti-Muslim” filmmaker. They are nearly 100% in saying “Screw you, Holder. Read your Constitution.” And more than a few there see it for what it is: eric holder and barack obama are trying to get this man killed.

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 6:32 PM

TEAM ROMNEY, THIS IS FOR YOU, YOUR KNOCKOUT PUNCH:

Confirm whether it’s true that our soldiers or the contractors protecting the Libyan consulate in Benghazi were stripped of their ammo by the State Department or the Pentagon, for that matter. If so, GO TO TOWN!!!

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Yep. Low hanging fruit. Repeat daily. Ingrain it in voters’ minds. Don’t go wobbly on us now.

a capella on September 13, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Wow, someone has a keen sense of the obvious.

Cindy Munford on September 13, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Yep. Low hanging fruit. Repeat daily. Ingrain it in voters’ minds. Don’t go wobbly on us now.

a capella on September 13, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I really, really fear he’s gone wobbly. I think yesterday’s bizarro world onslaught scared him. Instead of saying “What the hell, they’re going to attack me no matter what I do, so I might as well get the truth out there,” I fear he’s gone into play-it-safe mode. Romney should be on every network, right now, just hammering barack — and his vicious enablers in the media — into a pulp. But he isn’t. THIS is the moment to go all in and FIGHT. Please.

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Yeah but all they want to talk about is Romney and the fact that he had the audacity to criticize our intrepid president..I actually had a Democrat tell me that he had never before seen a politician fail to show solidarity with the opposing party in a time of international crisis…I kid you not. It is hard to know how to respond to such blatant stupidity…and he could care less about all this..whatever went wrong it was not Obama’s fault..it never is.

Terrye on September 13, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Now the word is that the Marines did have ammo. The only people I would believe about the answer to that question are the actual Marines themselves, and they can’t talk, can they?

Night Owl on September 13, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Sooo where did the story come from?

I mean that is just weird, not having ammo. That came from somewhere.

My guess is there is a cover up here. Because some things are too far out of the realm of possibilities for some one to just make it up.

Marines without ammo… is not logical. Either that whole thing was made up by an insane person… or it is true?

Oh, well something like that won’t stay undercover forever if it is true. Too many people would know the truth.

petunia on September 13, 2012 at 6:42 PM

This is potentially so big, the proof will surface somehow, if it’s true.

TXUS on September 13, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Good points.
We can hope and pray.

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Now the word is that the Marines did have ammo. The only people I would believe about the answer to that question are the actual Marines themselves, and they can’t talk, can they?

Night Owl on September 13, 2012 at 6:41 PM

We knew that was coming out lie or not, but they can’t dispute the fact that this Embassy was not protected enough especially on 911. The blood is on Obamas and Hillarys hands…

sandee on September 13, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Thanks for the link, but I don’t see any comments. What am I missing?

JPeterman on September 13, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Sure would be cool if any of the murdered Marines had written home about the lack of ammo !

Ammo Whammo, Obammo !!

pambi on September 13, 2012 at 6:45 PM

The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.

Wow. Once again, Allah, and I’m going to raise my voice here: LOOK AT THE WORDS THEY ARE USING: “Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons,” “Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded.” And at the very end, they basically say, “And…uh…if they didn’t have any ammo…it wasn’t at the direction of the Ambassador!” Yeah. It was at someone else’s direction, like, I don’t know, maybe the COMMANDER IN CHIEF?

THESE ARE NON-DENIAL DENIALS. They “were allowed”? Reports of “not being able”? Come on! IT IS A YES OR NO QUESTION!!!! How many weasly ways do these bureaucrats have to tell you people that the answer is NO, THEY WERE NOT ARMED WITH LOADED WEAPONS before you get it?

Sheesh! A 4-year-old could pick up the deception and evasion in these answers.

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 6:46 PM

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