Libyan pol: It was obvious that the consulate in Benghazi needed much better security

posted at 5:21 pm on September 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Ace, maybe we can get the media interested in the administration’s negligence here if we start referring to it as a “gaffe.”

As gaffes go, this one’s a biggie:

[A]lthough the scene in the American consulate’s canteen in Benghazi on Tuesday morning looked serene, under the surface there were signs of potential trouble, according to the Libyan politician who had breakfast with Stevens the morning before the ambassador and three other Americans died in a violent assault by armed Islamic militants. “I told him the security was not enough,” Fathi Baja, a political science professor and one of the leaders of Libya’s rebel government during last year’s revolution, told TIME on Thursday. “I said, ‘Chris, this is a U.S. consulate. You have to add to the number of people, bring Americans here to guard it, because the Libyans are not trained.”…

U.S. officials told reporters on Wednesday that the Benghazi consulate had “a robust American security presence, including a strong component of regional security officers.” And indeed, one of the four Americans killed was a former Navy SEAL, Glen Doherty, who was “on security detail” and “protecting the ambassador,” his sister Katie Quigly told the Boston Globe. Also killed was an information management officer, Sean Smith. The fourth American who died has not yet been identified. Yet Baja described a very different picture from his visit on Tuesday morning, even remarking at how relaxed the scene was when he returned to the consulate building a short while after leaving Stevens, in order to collect the mobile phone he had accidentally left behind. “The consulate was very calm, with video [surveillance] cameras outside,” Baja said. “But inside there were only four security guards, all Libyans—four!—and with only Kalshnikovs on their backs. I said, ‘Chris, this is the most powerful country in the world. Other countries all have more guards than the U.S.,’” he said, naming as two examples Jordan and Morocco.

Again, this was the anniversary of 9/11 and a consulate that had been targeted before in a country where armed militias still patrol the streets. In a way, I could understand if the White House had taken a chance with less security at the embassy in Cairo: The Egyptian military and police still have a monopoly on force, more or less, so the State Department powers that be might have concluded that the threat of a full-on attack was relatively small. Not so in Libya. You have a fledgling national army there and a culture that’s still transitioning to something resembling civil society after decades of Qaddafi. Jihadis didn’t need state complicity to carry out their plan to hit the consulate (on the contrary, the Libyan government has been contrite over what happened), so it was essential that the U.S. provide its own security. It didn’t. How come, Foreign-Policy President?

Speaking of taking a chance on less security in Egypt, lots of people are e-mailing about a story at the Washington Free Beacon noting a report that Marines at the Cairo embassy weren’t allowed by Ambassador Anne Patterson to carry live ammo. The original report cites “USMC blogs” for that claim, but Time reporter Mark Thompson says he can’t find any blogs alleging that. In a statement to Time, a Pentagon spokesman said, “With or without a weapon, Marines are always armed. I’ve heard nothing to suggest they don’t have ammunition.” I’ll update with more info as I hear of it. Needless to say, if the administration is disarming its own security, that’s a story “gaffe” worth covering. The good news? At least there were Marines on the scene in Cairo, armed or not. If only that had been true in Benghazi.

Exit question: What did the Foreign-Policy President have to do yesterday that was so important that he decided to skip his daily intel briefing — the day after an American ambassador was murdered? Ah, right.

Update: According to Mother Jones, a memo from the Corps’ congressional liaison says that the Marines at the Cairo embassy did indeed have live ammo:

The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.

Jake Tapper’s being told the same thing by an Obama administration official.


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This insanity should not even make it to print media, never mind digital like this site.

It’s like printing a story that a homeless man in NYC said it instead of some idiot elected official in FL. Its just as insane and whoever said it should be fired and committed to the local hospital for a mental evaluation. This may have prevented a mass murderer, maybe this FL elected official is asking for help by being obviously psychotic?

TX-96 on March 9, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Ok how about also before you start dating, getting married and having kids too.

Tasha on March 9, 2013 at 7:56 PM

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Especially having kids !

It appears to me that half of the children in my vicinity are born to “living-together-couples”.

An absolutely unimaginable, heinous act took place in the small town I use to reside in, this past October.

I don’t know that it was the result of “anger”, but the young parents certainly didn’t qualify to have custody of their baby.

listens2glenn on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

How ’bout we sent Sen. Gibson (D – of course) to a stupidity management course …..

BD57 on March 9, 2013 at 10:10 PM

NEVER trust ANY liberal because they ALWAYS speak with forked tongues.

Where is the proof of my assertion, you ask. Look below:

Gabby Giffords’s Husband Buys AR-15

DannoJyd on March 10, 2013 at 4:18 AM

A woman came up with this harebrained idea, naturally.

Nomennovum on March 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM

IOW, simply owning a gun is in and of itself evidence of a mental disorder.

This is the propaganda meme the lefties want to drum into the sheep electorate.

It has many precedents in history, mostly in the Soviet Union and in Mao’s China. Where, for example, simply wanting to own private property was in and of itself evidence of a mental disorder that required the state to act to protect the people. Likewise wanting to earn more than one’s “fair share”. And so on and so forth.

farsighted on March 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM

I’d wager any amount of money that by speaking calmly to the Senator, I could make him angry in a much shorter amount of time than he could me. I’m pretty sure I could do it in well under 5 minutes and only have to state things that are true, but contrary to his blind, Party loyalty.

TugboatPhil on March 10, 2013 at 12:07 PM

No female should be able to possess a firearm and/or ammunition for same, because she is subject to menstruation.

Further proof that the 19th Amendment needs to be repealed.

Twana on March 9, 2013 at 6:25 PM

I was being facetious, when I posted that – equating “anger management” with the trials and tribulations associated with “menstruation,” to point out the buffoonery of this buffoon. Also, I try to be as snide and sarcastic as possible, when I’m confronted with the policy aspirations of legislative rejects, like this imbecile.

I am a huge proponent of women being armed.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM

*I* think all blacks should be required to take an Anger Management Class before entering any Wendy’s, McDonald’s or Dunkin’ Donuts.

Czar of Defenestration on March 10, 2013 at 12:40 PM

listens2glenn on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Absolutely sickening. These people are predators.

avagreen on March 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Testifying to the Senate Judiciary Committee Jan. 30, Kelly had urged senators to restrict sales firearms based on their lethality–a common refrain with other witnesses that day, who argued that semi-automatic weapons, which chamber subsequent rounds as bullets are fired, and other guns with military-style features level the playing field against law enforcement.

Kelly and Giffords founded their own advocacy group to restrict gun rights, Americans for Responsible Solutions, in January. On its website, ARS wrote: “High capacity magazines are a deadly factor in gun violence.” A 30-round magazine is considered a high-capacity magazine.

excerpt: AWR HAWKINS @Breitbart.com

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From the link by: DannoJyd on March 10, 2013 at 4:18 AM

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To the esteemed Mark E. Kelly, and Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords:

Number 2 - Restricting American citizens to “lower physical capabilities” than what they (the citizens) agree to IS NOT “RESPONSIBLE”.

Number 1 - American law enforcement was NEVER intended to have a “leg-up” on American citizens, as regards weapons capabilities.

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Advancements in weapons technologies since the Constitution was ratified (and the Bill Of Rights added), does NOT justify a rethinking or reinterpretation of the Second Amendment, by our elected government officials.

listens2glenn on March 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM

listens2glenn on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

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Absolutely sickening. These people are predators.

avagreen on March 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM

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A predatory society, is what “urbanites” have evolved to.

Neither of these “kids” had any sense of “real life” responsibility, as parents. I don’t know that they had sense of ANY responsibility, period.

The Lancaster Co (PA) District Attorney called it “the worst, most horrible thing I’ve ever seen”, and hopes he never has to see another one like it.

listens2glenn on March 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Let’s alter that by a couple of letters.

A predatory society, is what “urbanites” have DE-evolved to.

listens2glenn on March 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM

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That’s better.

listens2glenn on March 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Advancements in weapons technologies since the Constitution was ratified (and the Bill Of Rights added), does NOT justify a rethinking or reinterpretation of the Second Amendment, by our elected government officials.

listens2glenn on March 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM

IMHO, those working to disarm law enforcement officials are taking the right track.

If these Communists don’t like us owning guns, let’s see how they like having an UNARMED GUARD protecting them.

I love delivering payback. BWAHAhahahaha….

DannoJyd on March 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I need some anger managements since I’m pissed I can no longer find 9mm or 5.56 ammo any more…

Wyznowski on March 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM

If you think that guns are scary and you want others to change so you can feel better, then you must really hate seeing gun violence in movies, on TV, and in video games (especially first person shooter games).

You really cannot ban these shows, movies, and games (first amendment versus second amendment), but you can tax them. Sin tax, baby. Tax ‘em hard and tax ‘em good.

You want to watch a Quentin Tarantino movie? Pay the Excessive Violence Tax (EVT) of $25 per movie or episode per watcher.

But first, you need to take and pass a required anger management class for $50.

And, you will need to wait for thirty days while the government performs a background check to see if you have, or someone thinks you might have, a history or an incident of violence in your behavior. Fee: $100. Renewable and payable annually.

Of course, you local paper will be required to post your name and address on a Google map with a pushpin at your address. In case that’s not enough, you must have a sign in your yard saying that a person of violent persuasion lives in the house. When a member of your family, especially a spouse, sustains an injury, then the police will come to you for answers and will stop looking anywhere else or to anyone else. $5,000 to expunge your name and address in private.

Oh, yes, you will not be able to live within three miles of a public school, playground, or a fast food restaurant with playground equipment. You will not be allowed to be a scout leader, a Sunday School teacher, participate in the boys and girls club, or be anywhere near, say, a 711 store where one might find kids. We don’t want your polluted ideas soiling young, impressionable minds. All moving expenses are on your dime.

I had this idea as a tongue-in-cheek spoof, but, you know? I like it. I believe that it has a kind or ironic justice to the ideas behind it.

Please write Senator Feinstein and ask her to amend he gun ban to include these fines and requirements for excessive violence. Who knows? With all the TV shows and movies produced in Hollywood, maybe Jerry Brown can raise enough cash to balance California’s budget?

Nah, Jerry will just spend it.

billrowe on March 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM

People don’t kill people….ANGRY people kill people. Since our tax dollars are going to study Tai Chi, perhaps we should make THAT mandatory for anyone wanting to buy ammo as well?!

easyt65 on March 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM

How anger management for drivers first? Everyday someone is killed or injured over a road rage incident.

johnnyU on March 11, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Obvious projection, it is her who needs it and it is because of her raging on this issue.

jake49 on March 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM

What? No party affiliation is mentioned? Neither the politician’s name, their party affiliation nor their district were mentioned in the article.

Since when has Hot Air become a Mainstream Media outlet shilling for the LibTard cause?

My money says it’s a Democrat politician from St Lucie County. And the politician is a carpetbagger from either New York City or North Jersey (home of New York’s rejects)

CatchAll on March 11, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Here they come ! !

California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/california-seizes-guns-as-owners-lose-right-to-bear-arms.html?cmpid=yhoo

Texyank on March 11, 2013 at 11:19 PM

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