Quotes of the day

posted at 10:47 pm on September 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

Mr. Romney’s criticism fed into his larger theme of painting Mr. Obama as apologizing for the United States, and his team stuck by it. “While there may be differences of opinion regarding issues of timing,” said one senior strategist, who asked not to be named, “I think everyone stands behind the critique of the administration, which we believe has conducted its foreign policy in a feckless manner.”

As it happened, the debate over his comments drew attention away from questions about how Mr. Obama has managed the popular uprisings in the Arab world, the aftermath of the war in Libya and the broader battle against Islamic extremists. The president has been criticized for not doing more to guide the transition to democracy in the Middle East and to stop religious extremists from coming to power.

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That instant conventional wisdom is a pretty fortunate turn of events for Obama, given that it diverted focus from his administration’s bungled handling of the entire situation and the failure of his broader foreign policy posture…

When Romney gave a press conference Wednesday, the questions focused on whether it was appropriate for him to criticize Obama at the time he did. Romney’s responses didn’t really matter, because reporters had already decided their narrative. Obama did not take any questions in his own press conference moments later.

In 2004, John Kerry routinely attacked President Bush’s handling of Iraq when things weren’t going well in the country. And the media dutifully reported on Bush’s foreign policy blunders in Iraq. But now, instead of scrutinizing Obama’s handling of a foreign policy crisis, the media has decided that the real story in Egypt and Libya is a Mitt Romney gaffe.

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“They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it’s just completely blown up,” said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an “utter disaster” and a “Lehman moment” — a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader…

“I guess we see now that it is because they’re incompetent at talking effectively about foreign policy,” said the Republican. “This is just unbelievable — when they decide to play on it they completely bungle it.”

“It’s bad,” said a former aide to Senator John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign. “Just on a factual level that the statement was not a response but preceding, or one could make the case precipitating. And just calling it a ‘disgrace’ doesn’t really cut it. Not ready for prime time.”

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Whatever the timing of the Cairo Embassy’s statements, Mr. Romney is right that a U.S. Embassy ought to ignore YouTube videos produced by obscure cranks. As Tuesday’s events showed, pandering to Islamists who would use the video to inflame anti-American sentiment isn’t going to stop the protests. The video “Innocence of Muslims” is inflammatory and its producer is a fool, but in the U.S. we don’t censor fools.

The broader point is that the attacks on the embassies do raise questions about how America has fared in the world in the last four years. (See above.) Throughout his candidacy, Mr. Romney has supported the necessity of America’s global leadership, sometimes against the wishes of Republican voters. His comments this week are consistent with that worldview, which is also consistent with that of every recent conservative President.

His political faux pax was to offend a pundit class that wants to cede the foreign policy debate to Mr. Obama without thinking seriously about the trouble for America that is building in the world.

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Mark Halperin tweeted this morning, “Unless Mitt has gamed crisis out in some manner completely invisible to Gang of 500, doubling down=most craven + ill-advised move of ‘12.” Halperin couldn’t be more wrong. Romney is right to bring home the weakness of the Obama administration, exemplified in the disgraceful statement issued yesterday, September 11, by the American embassy in Cairo—a statement, I believe, that would have to have been cleared by the State Department.

I’d add this: Romney deserves credit for emphasizing today that the events in Cairo and Benghazi remind us of the need for American leadership. He refused to cater to what must be a widespread (and understandable, if short-sighted) ‘let’s just get out of that crazy part of the world’ sentiment among the public. He spoke in the tradition of conservative internationalism.

So, so far, I believe, pretty much so good. The question is, what comes next?

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“The substance of what Romney said at the time was absolutely right,” syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said about the situation in Libya and Egypt on “Special Report” tonight. “The problem is he needs to make a larger argument. There is a collapse of Obama’s policy. It began with the Cairo speech, it began with the apologies to Iran. It began with regret for the Iraq war, it began with the so-called outreach and it completely collapsed. It has gotten nowhere on Iran. These are the fruits of appeasement and apology.”

“He should make a general speech, not attack here and there but a speech explaining and connecting all the dots. That’s what a candidate ought to do and to leave attacks to surrogates and to Ryan,” Krauthammer said.

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its surreal. you to fox, they’re showing live shots of an egyptian mob, on morning joe a mitt bashfest. WTF!!!!!

renalin on September 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

I refuse to damage my spirit by turning to Fox. But what exactly is the implication. That the U.S. should have invaded Egypt and occupied that nation? That we should do so now? That we should exert greater military authority in Libya. What *precisely* are conservatives complaining about in terms of Obama’s foreign policy. Are the fiscal hawks suddenly going to go silent and advocate for an aggressive military response. Good god, you people have *no* sense of where this country is on foreign policy. People are TIRED of this mess. They are *TIRED* of having to be the world’s policeman and telling people what to do. This is the most isolationist electorate since before World War II, bar none. You just don’t get it and you’re going to lose.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Haykal Bafana ‏@BaFana3

#Yemen | Photo : American flag at US Embassy #Sanaa replaced : “There is no god but Allah & Muhammad is His Messenger.” pic.twitter.com/aMn07UFl

https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/246185123844866048/photo/1

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Your messiah has screwed up on a global scale. No matter what meme your handlers tell you Liberal Trolls to push today, it will ring hollow. The Sleeping Giant is awake. And torqued off.
Obama’s ineffectual Foreign Policy and embracing of our sworn enemies has now cost American lives. Embassies are being attacked throughout the Middle East.

Any explanation, given to you by your handlers or plucked out of your nether regions, of Obama’s greatness as a President will fall on deaf ears today.

We do not have the luxury of tolerating you and your messiah’s political expediencies today.

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 6:52 AM

They are *TIRED* of having to be the world’s policeman and telling people what to do. This is the most isolationist electorate since before World War II, bar none. You just don’t get it and you’re going to lose.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

libfreeordie:

So,whats your Brillant Plan,have Occupy Protesters
camp out!!!

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 6:55 AM

Are you serious? You’re telling me it was a-OK for Romney to not even wait to see if anyone had been killed before launching in an attack on the embassy. Considering that multiple embassy employees died,

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

libfreeordie:

This is on YOUR WATCH,and after four years of Hopeys Apology Tours,
sucking up to Jihadys,hoping that Liberals have a better way,

has caused this BLOWBACK!

Let me guess,Obama inherited this from Bush!!

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 6:58 AM

Why are we in Afghanistan?

Obamas let as many brave Americans be killed in that goat herding paradise in 3 1/2 years as Bush did in 8.

The gop could go after the DOTUS on that one too.

***sigh, will Romney keep it up today? Or will this be another lost day to go for the weakness of this man?

You know REAGAN went after Jimmy Carter BY NAME repeatedly in 1980.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2012 at 6:58 AM

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

thats not really the point is it? our naked ambassador was drug through through the streets of libya.

that was ME. that naked ambassador was YOU.

renalin on September 13, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Second only to the notion that the breach in security that led to their deaths is somehow Obama’s fault? Are you kidding me? The President has to micromanage every embassy security team? Come *ON* man/woman,…..
libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Yeh I can hear you know if GW was President.

CW on September 13, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Report: US ambassador in Libya was raped before he was murdered.

Animals.

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Now I know why,us Canadians pulled out of Iran!!

Iranian students protest outside the Swiss embassy in Tehran due to lack of US mission in Iran’s capital – @Reuters

1 min ago by editor

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:01 AM

its surreal. you to fox, they’re showing live shots of an egyptian mob, on morning joe a mitt bashfest. WTF!!!!!

renalin on September 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

I refuse to damage my spirit by turning to Fox. But what exactly is the implication. That the U.S. should have invaded Egypt and occupied that nation? That we should do so now? That we should exert greater military authority in Libya. What *precisely* are conservatives complaining about in terms of Obama’s foreign policy. Are the fiscal hawks suddenly going to go silent and advocate for an aggressive military response. Good god, you people have *no* sense of where this country is on foreign policy. People are TIRED of this mess. They are *TIRED* of having to be the world’s policeman and telling people what to do. This is the most isolationist electorate since before World War II, bar none. You just don’t get it and you’re going to lose.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Cretin, ‘ advocate for an aggressive military response’, wtf, obama aggressively attacked lybia and killed itsleader and didn’t put anything in place, or didn’t have a plan post-Gadaffi…remember the criticism of Bush coz he didn’t have a plan for Iraq….double standard, anyone….what the f…Obama’s ‘foreign policy’ is nothing but a bunch if illegal killings through drone attacks, and some of the ones targetted are Us citizens…there’s nothing else in there, nada, he has no policy, no vision, no clue…if people are tired of policing th world, why the f…obama got involved in Lybia?? Care to explain???…. You wouldn’t think thst the lilli of the ambassador w related to our ‘ kinetic military action’ involvement there, would you…It then tou ate such a f…retarded gnome, that it makes me puke everytime i see your moniker on this site…go pick up someone in a ghey bar, or anyways, am sure you can spend your time better than sitting on this site and making inane comments that are mocked by everybody with a brain..

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:03 AM

libfreeordie:

i take your name to heart. it’s the appeasement, lib. wrong policy with the jihadists. if we are not ready to stand for our principles what u see happening will happen. now we have to to strategically fight back with guns and policies. Go Mitt.Go USA.

gracie on September 13, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Report: US ambassador in Libya was raped before he was murdered.

Animals.

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Rational Thought:

Yup,reminds me of the Laura Logan,ordeal!

And Obama talks…and talks….and talks…words
are really affective!:)

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:05 AM

That ‘the killing of the ambassador’ was related’ that is…and ‘you are a f.. a retarded gnome ‘ indeed…

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:08 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 6:42 AM

its surreal. you to fox, they’re showing live shots of an egyptian mob, on morning joe a mitt bashfest. WTF!!!!!

renalin on September 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

renalin:

Yup,and I agree with what Mittens did,so the Libs are
circling the MSM wagons around Obama………..

………..sickening!:)

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:11 AM

No matter what meme your handlers tell you Liberal Trolls to push today, it will ring hollow. The Sleeping Giant is awake. And torqued off.
Obama’s ineffectual Foreign Policy and embracing of our sworn enemies has now cost American lives. Embassies are being attacked throughout the Middle East.

Any explanation, given to you by your handlers or plucked out of your nether regions, of Obama’s greatness as a President will fall on deaf ears today.

We do not have the luxury of tolerating you and your messiah’s political expediencies today.

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 6:52 AM

What’s scary is that you honestly believe a whack job like yourself represents some kind of main steam opinion. I get that I’m far, far to the left of most Americans. You don’t see how out of step you are. Obama’s foreign policy polls are overwhelmingly strong and on the day 5 U.S. consulate employees were killed your candidate tried to score political points.

Also want to know how bad Romney’s statement was? The complete and utter SILENCE from anyone but the most secure GOP leaders in support. The GOP is running from Romney’s comments hardcore. That says it all.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Report: US ambassador in Libya was raped before he was murdered.

Animals.

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Rational Thought:

Yup,reminds me of the Laura Logan,ordeal!

And Obama talks…and talks….and talks…words
are really affective!:)

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Heh, what do you expect, he went to vegas the day after the guy was killed…

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Loooks like,ahem…..someone needs to hit the

…..DEFCON 2 button!!

Michael van Poppel ‏@mpoppel

AP: U.S. consulate in Berlin evacuated after employee reported strange smell coming from an envelope.

https://twitter.com/mpoppel

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:14 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Heh, what do you expect, he went to vegas the day after the guy was killed…

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:12 AM

jimver:Exactly,and stiffing Bi Bi,sends a message to the Jihadys!:)

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM

Animals.

u give animals other than homo sapiens a bad name.

men in war are savage.

gracie on September 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM

Do you have a link on the rape sory?

I’d like to get that one out there.

BTW, Shots into the air to disperse mob outside embassy in Yemen (9 minutes ago).

PappyD61 on September 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Whack job?

You little ineffectual state employee. Christians comprise 878 of this nation. Conservatives are the largest political ideology in the nation. Your ideology comprises 21% at best. Your sexual orientation, which you have touted on this blog, 5% at most.

I am a Christian American Conservative. I love this blessed land. Your false messiah has literally “made a deal with the Devil”. And, now he’s collecting.

God protect us.

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Report: US ambassador in Libya was raped before he was murdered.

Rational Thought on September 13, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Those poor people (all four). What a horror those last hours of their lives must have been.

Didn’t think it was possible to be angrier about this mess than I was yesterday. I was wrong.

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Of course Zero went to Vegas. It’s easier to look responsible, there, where everybody else is drunk and chasing pu$$y . . . or something.

TheClearRiver on September 13, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Looks like a M.E Fire-Storm!!!

Michael van Poppel ‏@mpoppel

RT @BNONews: Hundreds of Afghans protest anti-Islam movie in Kandahar City – provincial spokesperson

https://twitter.com/mpoppel

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:18 AM

What’s scary is that you honestly believe a whack job like yourself represents some kind of main steam opinion. I get that I’m far, far to the left of most Americans. You don’t see how out of step you are. Obama’s foreign policy polls are overwhelmingly strong and on the day 5 U.S. consulate employees were killed your candidate tried to score political points.

Also want to know how bad Romney’s statement was? The complete and utter SILENCE from anyone but the most secure GOP leaders in support. The GOP is running from Romney’s comments hardcore. That says it all.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:11 AM

The 5 consulate employees were killed because of the incompetence of the cretin in the WH, he didn’t even make sure that after attacking a country, the US consular and embassy offices in that country are well protected ..as for the his diotic middle east policies by the first ghey president in the WH that are reduced to a series of illegal killings through drone attacks, not only that he had no business of getting involved in lybia, but he and his idiotic administration didn’t think necessary to offer serious protection to the offices in Benghazi and Tripoli, so go figure…

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Here’s the link to the Washington Times story about the rape.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/sep/13/picket-report-murdered-us-ambassador-libya-reporte/

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

that was ME. that naked ambassador was YOU.

renalin on September 13, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Oh I get what you’re saying. But something I’ve never quite understood about the right. You feel personally attacked when an American body is killed, mutilated and humiliated. But you refuse to understand when Muslims feel personally attacked when civilians are killed, when photos surface of soldiers desecrating Muslim bodies surface, when massacres occur under the banner of war. Why is that? Is it because you fundamentally believe they are not fully human and therefore doubt that they actually value life? Is it because you believe that Muslim lives, on a basic level, matter less? Do you not believe they have the same emotions as you or I? Its a stunning bit of cognitive dissonance on your part. This basic inability to recognize the mutual humanity is at the core of neoconservative foreign policy.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Finally,one US WarShip,is now on station,off the coast!

US warship arrives off the Libyan coast, 2nd due to arrive in coming days – @todayshow

17 mins ago by editor

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Of course Zero went to Vegas. It’s easier to look responsible, there, where everybody else is drunk and chasing pu$$y . . . or something.

TheClearRiver on September 13, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Lol :) ..that .and bottoms too,..I think libfree here is posting from vegas too :)…

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:21 AM

I refuse to damage my spirit by turning to Fox.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

What “spirit”?

Del Dolemonte on September 13, 2012 at 7:22 AM

that was ME. that naked ambassador was YOU.

renalin on September 13, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Oh I get what you’re saying. But something I’ve never quite understood about the right. You feel personally attacked when an American body is killed, mutilated and humiliated. But you refuse to understand when Muslims feel personally attacked when civilians are killed, when photos surface of soldiers desecrating Muslim bodies surface, when massacres occur under the banner of war. Why is that? Is it because you fundamentally believe they are not fully human and therefore doubt that they actually value life? Is it because you believe that Muslim lives, on a basic level, matter less? Do you not believe they have the same emotions as you or I? Its a stunning bit of cognitive dissonance on your part. This basic inability to recognize the mutual humanity is at the core of neoconservative foreign policy.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

How many muslins the first ghey president killed throu drones attaks and in lybia alone??

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:23 AM

main steam opinion.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Steam trains went out of existence decades ago.

Del Dolemonte on September 13, 2012 at 7:23 AM

I refuse to damage my spirit by turning to Fox.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Your bottom is your only spirit…

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Duh, I got the link and passed it along.

Remember Hillary’s statement about Quaddafi and her chuckling about it?

Ugh.

PappyD61 on September 13, 2012 at 7:24 AM

want to know how bad Romney’s statement was? The complete and utter SILENCE from anyone but the most secure GOP leaders in support.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Your Party has been squealing like the Stuck Pigs they are ever since Romney made that statement.

Why is that?

Del Dolemonte on September 13, 2012 at 7:25 AM

Mika Boobinski: “Steve Schmidt, do you agree with my father that people need to be fired in the Romney campaign?”
Steve Schmidt: mumble-bumble-mumble-mumble

BREAKING NEWS next hour MSNBC: “High Level Republicans Call For Firing in Romney Campaign”

Marcus on September 13, 2012 at 7:25 AM

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

What utter bullshit. Take your smug — and completely unjustified — sense of moral superiority and shove it.

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 7:25 AM

But something I’ve never quite understood about the right. You feel personally attacked when an American body is killed, mutilated and humiliated. But you refuse to understand when Muslims feel personally attacked when civilians are killed, when photos surface of soldiers desecrating Muslim bodies surface, when massacres occur under the banner of war. Why is that? Is it because you fundamentally believe they are not fully human and therefore doubt that they actually value life? Is it because you believe that Muslim lives, on a basic level, matter less? Do you not believe they have the same emotions as you or I? Its a stunning bit of cognitive dissonance on your part. This basic inability to recognize the mutual humanity is at the core of neoconservative foreign policy.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Breathtaking.

Del Dolemonte on September 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Is there no way to memorialize this man’s tragic end without beating the war drum?

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM

I refuse to damage my spirit by turning to Fox.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

So, instead you will damage your brain by turning to the media outlets that lie, shill and cover for your party. I can remember when we actually had real journalists in this country…now they are a dying breed thanks largely to the herd mentality of the liberal leaning east coast media mavens.

There have been a lot of times when I have disagreed with Michelle Malkin about something..but she is right on the money here…the optics are awful for the Obama people. They just are. Now you can try to blame that on Romney but if they had jerked down that dumbass statement right off the bat or better yet come up with a better one themselves none of this would have happened. If they had provided basic protection for the people in Benghazi, Stevens would be alive.

That is why they are jumping on Romney. Not because he said anything untrue, but because they know it is true.

Terrye on September 13, 2012 at 7:29 AM

Is there no way to memorialize this man’s tragic end without beating the war drum?

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM

How about we beat the Obama is an incompetent ass drum?

Terrye on September 13, 2012 at 7:30 AM

How many muslins the first ghey president killed throu drones attaks and in lybia alone??

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Outside if your weird insistence that the President is “ghey” (and you clearly think that misspelling is doing some kind of political work for you, but God knows what it could be) I agree with you. The critique that should have/be leveled against Obama is about drone attacks and his continuation of Bush style imperialism…..do you think Mitt Romney was arguing against drone attacks? Be honest.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM

Is there no way to memorialize this man’s tragic end without beating the war drum?

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM

libfreeordie:Here ya go,still not p*ssed off yet,after viewing!
=================================================================

*****Warning….GRAPHIC *******

New Images Appear To Show Ambassador Stevens After Attack On Libya Embassy (GRAPHIC)

WARNING
10:35 am, September 12th, 2012
*******************************

http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-images-appear-to-show-ambassador-stevens-after-attack-on-libya-embassy-graphic/

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:32 AM

First, Steve Schmidt should not be allowed to criticize anyone or work on another campaign again. Second, okays… Ryan bails Romney out again. This is a very common theme.

Illinidiva on September 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM

Sorry. You’re not5 hijacking this thread. The blame for these deaths sits squarely on the shoulders of Obama. Not Boooosh. You know it. We all know it.

Now, shut up and go away.

Adults are having a discussion about the safety and future of our country.

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM

Bush style imperialism…..

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM

Is Bush a “War Criminal”?

And is O’bamna?

Del Dolemonte on September 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM

Afghan authorities order YouTube shutdown indefinitely to prevent viewing of anti-Muslim film, government sources say – @Reuters

5 mins ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM

How about we beat the Obama is an incompetent ass drum?

Terrye on September 13, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Because the terms of your criticism are f**king dumb. If we want to think about the source of anger at the Obama admin, lets do that. Lets talk drones, lets talk support of Israel, lets talk the expansion of American military power in Afghanistan. But you all want to act like Obama made a decision about security staff at the Libyan embassy. You want to pretend that, somehow, Obama “apologized to the world” (he didn’t) and that people hate us because of his apology, which is the most convoluted logic of all time. Its all based in this notion that the U.S. can only achieve peace through a “muscular” foreign policy, i.e. by scaring everyone into thinking we’ll nuke the heck out of them if we get out of line. This approach to foreign policy is fundamentally unsustainable for a nation that claims to not be a fascist imperial power. So I guess the choice is we either go the Germany route and just simply attempt to take over each and every Middle Eastern country, depose their leaders, occupy their governments and countries and annihilate all civillian protest until they have submitted to our will. Or we need to stop doing half-measure imperialism and pull out of these nations. Which is it?

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Is there no way to memorialize this man’s tragic end without beating the war drum?

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Well I suppose Barry could always issue another, more grovelling apology to the criminals who raped and murdered the ambassador and the other Americans. Or perhaps he could give another one of his fabulous, earth-changing speeches. Those always seem to work wonders. Or he could build another mosque and multi-cultural center for mutual understanding, and increase the number of U.S. visas given to Libyan members of AQ, so that they don’t even have to leave home the next time they decide to rape and murder some Americans.

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Photo:

Protestors burning tires, American flag outside U.S. embassy #Sanaa #Yemen pic.twitter.com/yYjd8Ki4

https://twitter.com/theyementimes/status/246204113518477312/photo/1

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Hillary now bound for the under-bus by taking responsibility (via Breitbart) as per statement at State Dept.:

The Secretary of State, and by extension, the Chief of Mission (COM), are responsible for developing and implementing security policies and programs that provide for the protection of all U.S. Government personnel (including accompanying dependents) on official duty abroad. This mission is executed through the Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS). Personal and facility protection are the most critical elements of the DS mission abroad as they directly impact upon the Department’s ability to carry out its foreign policy. With terrorist organizations and coalitions operating across international borders, the threat of terrorism against U.S. interests remains great. Therefore, any U.S. mission overseas can be a target even if identified as being in a low-threat environment.

Nice knowing you, Hillary!

How fast can she resign so as to get thrown under the bus? Anything to take the heat off the President, you know…

ajacksonian on September 13, 2012 at 7:41 AM

So, on one hand the Muslim governments are extending their
hand for the billions of dollars the US gives/loans/forgives
them while on the other hand they are inciting riots with their
citizens against us.

My opinion is that we pull our embassies and foreign aid out of
their countries NOW.

We must realize that the muslim religion is intertwined with
the radical muslim government, unlike in our country country where religion and government are separated. They will never welcome
real democracy. Thousands of years of muslim raping, murdering,
and conquering precedes us. We are throwing our money down a rat hole.

Amjean on September 13, 2012 at 7:42 AM

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM

If you think I’m highjacking a thread you are completely free to not respond to my posts.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Here’s the link to the Washington Times story about the rape.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/sep/13/picket-report-murdered-us-ambassador-libya-reporte/

AZCoyote on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

I pray for the families & friends of these murdered men…this will make their loss even harder for them to bear if it is true.

workingclass artist on September 13, 2012 at 7:45 AM

If you think I’m highjacking a thread you are completely free to not respond to my posts.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Nice try at verbal ju-jitsu, perfesser. Try again. This time, try to sound less pompous.

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 7:47 AM

VIDEO:

The Associated Press ‏@AP

RAW VIDEO: Protesters attack the U.S. Embassy compound in Sanaa, Yemen, burn U.S. flag: http://apne.ws/PvmQLL -BW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bHGN1VquDw&feature=plcp

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM

I see LibTellDeath is being the usual ass as he/she/it is well known for.

Take a bow lib…
before Obama does it for you….

Electrongod on September 13, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Nice knowing you, Hillary!

How fast can she resign so as to get thrown under the bus? Anything to take the heat off the President, you know…

ajacksonian on September 13, 2012 at 7:41 AM

ajacksonian:Read this!:)
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***************** OH SH*T *************************************

Years of warning about embassy security preceded Libya attack

State Department acknowledged as recently as February it lacked funding for some security improvements

UPDATED 11:50 AM EDT,
September 12, 2012
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The way U.S. embassies and consulates protect their staffs in volatile locations has raised several red flags in Congress, among watchdogs and even an outside commission in recent years.

The concerns came into sharp focus with the death in Libya of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens in an attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, as well as an attack Tuesday on the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

While the State Department has responded to some of the criticisms leveled by congressional oversight bodies and its own internal watchdog, its Diplomatic Security (DS) office recently acknowledged it lacked the funding for some recommended improvements, such as security training, and was instead looking for workarounds.

“We cannot sufficiently meet the additional training recommendations outlined in the Secretary’s QDDR (quadrennial review). Therefore, DS is aggressively pursuing on-line alternatives, e.g., distance learning of FACT lessons minus the hard skills (i.e., weapons familiarization and driver’s training) to increase training capabilities,” the department candidly acknowledged in a

February performance evaluation report.
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http://www.state.gov/s/d/rm/rls/perfrpt/2011performancesummary/html/191458.htm

In response to Stevens’s death at the hands of an angry mob outside the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, President Barack Obama announced Wednesday that he has “directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world.” U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said some 50 Marines are being sent to Libya to reinforce security at U.S. diplomatic facilities.

“There is no higher priority than protecting our men and women wherever they serve,” said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Her department identified embassy and personnel security as one of its major management challenges in its 2012 budget and priorities report.

One of the biggest concerns raised in recent years has been the quality and capabilities of private security contractors hired to protect embassy staffs.

The congressionally chartered Commission on Wartime Contracting issued a

strong warning in 2009,
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http://www.wartimecontracting.gov/index.php/pressroom/pressreleases/104-nr12-federal-law-forces-bad-choices

saying the State Department’s reliance on lowest-priced contractors was jeopardizing security.

“Lowest-priced security not good enough for war-zone embassies,” the commission wrote in a stinging report that urged other factors such as capability be considered in awarding security contracts.

The State Department inspector general highlighted the gaps in some private security firms’ capabilities with investigations of the war-time security postures in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A March 2010 report
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http://pogoarchives.org/m/co/mero-ig-report-march2010.pdf

by the IG cited several potential weaknesses with the private firm guarding the Baghdad embassy, while acknowledging the firm had thus far protected the facility from any major attacks. Among the problems cited:

•The diplomatic security office lacked standards for ensuring the contractor performed adequate security training,

•The security contractor’s subcontractor for explosive detection had “several weaknesses” in its canine scent detection efforts for bombs.

•The security office at the embassy did not have criteria for the number of consecutive days guards can work without a day off. “The Office of Inspector General found that some guards had worked as many as 39 days without a break,” the report warned.

•The embassy’s guard housing was “unsafe and in violation of the contract.”

Those finding echoed a

September 2010 report
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http://oig.state.gov/documents/organization/150316.pdf

by the inspector general of the then-private security contractor in Afghanistan, which found:

•The contractor had “not been able to recruit, train, or manage” the security force “at the staffing level or the quality required by its contract.”

•The embassy had “ employed Nepalese guards without verifiable experience, training, or background investigations in violation of its contract.”

•The contractor would not “account for 101 U.S. government-furnished weapons that have been missing since 2007.”

•The contractor had permitted “a pattern of uncorrected disciplinary problems” in its security forces.

The State Department took several corrective actions and subsequently selected a new contractor to take over the Afghan’s embassy’s security.

But that selection quickly created new controversy when the Senate Armed Services Committee issued

a report
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http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/sasc-psc-report.html

finding that the contractor had relied on warlords with possible ties to the Taliban to staff its security forces.

The inspector general

recently concluded
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http://oig.state.gov/documents/organization/192007.pdf

that the State Department’s vetting of the contractor met federal regulations but somehow failed to uncovered the information found by Senate investigators.

“The Department was not aware of the selected contractor’s past performance, as reported by the Senate Armed Services Committee, until after the report was publicly released in October 2010, which was after the contract and the task order had been awarded. OIG also determined that the Department had used the proper systems to obtain,” the IG reported.

The Project on Government Oversight, a nonpartisan watchdog group that focuses on contracting, has raised repeated concerns about the contracting of embassy security operations and last year urged that the task in volatile region be in-sourced to State Department employees. The group specifically cited the Afghan situation.

“If there’s a better argument for making this mission an inherently governmental function, this situation is it,” POGO’s executive director Danielle Brian said in 2011. “We’ve got one discredited company to be replaced by another discredited company.”
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http://www.washingtonguardian.com/red-flags-embassy-security

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 4:57 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:52 AM

Nice knowing you, Hillary!

How fast can she resign so as to get thrown under the bus? Anything to take the heat off the President, you know…

ajacksonian on September 13, 2012 at 7:41 AM

ajacksonian:

I have a Linky on Page#7,with ALL the PDF Reports!:)
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http://www.washingtonguardian.com/red-flags-embassy-security

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 4:57 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:57 AM

Anti-Islam film protests

Canadian embassy in Cairo closed as security precaution; it is located near US embassy where protests continue – @CBCAlerts

4 mins ago by editor

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:59 AM

Nice try at verbal ju-jitsu, perfesser. Try again. This time, try to sound less pompous.

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Seriously? My comment couldn’t have been less complicated. If you think I’m highjacking a thread you are not obligated to respond to my posts. Though I suppose the fact that you did respond suggests I’m wrong about that…

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 8:00 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:57 AM

My thanks!

Fascinating that upping security was a major goal for 2012.

FY 2012 ends at the end of the month for the US government.

Amazing what strides were made this FY! One Embassy and Consulate attacked, one Ambassador killed along with three other personnel… such great competence from the ‘adults in charge’ of their soft power offensive.

The State Dept is in need of some serious firings of personnel at just about all levels. Need a new President to do that.

ajacksonian on September 13, 2012 at 8:02 AM

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 8:00 AM

Wow. How clueless. I guess what they say about what the initials of that advanced degree you have is absolutely true.

What about the fact that Obama is responsible for these deaths, don’t you understand?

kingsjester on September 13, 2012 at 8:03 AM

…the breach in security that led to their deaths is somehow Obama’s fault? Are you kidding me? The President has to micromanage every embassy security team? Come *ON* man/woman, if this is what the right has they really must know how bad this made Mitt Romney look.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

It is ALL Obama’s fault. He golfs, he campaigns, he campaigns some more, he has parties. What he doesn’t do is his f*cking job. Carter 2.0 indeed.

Night Owl on September 13, 2012 at 8:05 AM

How many muslins the first ghey president killed throu drones attaks and in lybia alone??

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Outside if your weird insistence that the President is “ghey” (and you clearly think that misspelling is doing some kind of political work for you, but God knows what it could be) I agree with you. The critique that should have/be leveled against Obama is about drone attacks and his continuation of Bush style imperialism…..do you think Mitt Romney was arguing against drone attacks? Be honest.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM

Oh, spare me the smugness, you wouldn’t think that I was fast typing on the ipad, too hard for you to figure that out though, I get it…as for the first ghey preezy, I didn’t call him that, Newsweek did, see the A Sullivan’s article, who is probably your spiritual mentor and/or guru…voila, here….and then the CNN and yor entire liberal media followed suit and called bim that….

As for your other point, here, I will say it, I I am pretty sure Romney would have been smarter and known better than to get involved in Lybia, kinetically or paranormally or else…we didn’t need that…or are you trying to argue in any way that the attacks on our ambassador there and on our consulate in benghazi (and I am not talking here the appalling security arrangements that this preezy and his secretary of state should be held directly responsible for) – were not related to our involvement in Lybia?? i am sure you can spin your answer there…

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 8:12 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 7:57 AM

My thanks!

Fascinating that upping security was a major goal for 2012.

FY 2012 ends at the end of the month for the US government.

Amazing what strides were made this FY! One Embassy and Consulate attacked, one Ambassador killed along with three other personnel… such great competence from the ‘adults in charge’ of their soft power offensive.

The State Dept is in need of some serious firings of personnel at just about all levels. Need a new President to do that.

ajacksonian on September 13, 2012 at 8:02 AM

ajacksonian:

Anytime,and I agree,and I can’t wait for the fall-out
over Obama’s failure ro upgrade,and private contractor
issues!!

Oh HilRod too!:)

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 8:13 AM

I see LibTellDeath is being the usual ass as he/she/it is well known for.

Take a bow lib…
before Obama does it for you….

Electrongod on September 13, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Awwwww, go easy on poor ole’ libfree //

Highjacking threads on HA is apparently he/she/its only recreation. Bet all its other time is spent on its knees, buttering Zero’s crotch lobster. If all you ever saw was Barky’s open zipper and “Little Smokie”, wouldn’t your world view be warped, too?

Geez, have a heart! //

TheClearRiver on September 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM

Do you not believe they have the same emotions as you or I? Its a stunning bit of cognitive dissonance on your part. This basic inability to recognize the mutual humanity is at the core of neoconservative foreign policy.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Hey you freaking moron, do you not realize that YOU are who they want to kill the most? Do you not realize they would chop your head off on live TV if you went over there, because you are gay? Where is the mutual humanity in that, and why are you so stupid that you come here and denigrate us? We don’t want you dead just because you are gay. Why don’t you go over there with your stupid muslim outreach and calmly explain your views to them? That’s right, you would not get out alive. So it’s easier to come here and blame us. Screw off.

Night Owl on September 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM

…the breach in security that led to their deaths is somehow Obama’s fault? Are you kidding me? The President has to micromanage every embassy security team? Come *ON* man/woman, if this is what the right has they really must know how bad this made Mitt Romney look.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

He presides over an incompetent state department now, doesn’the, so of course he should know betterthan to leave the co sulateand embassy unprotected, especially after he kinetically attacked the country in question…who should be held resposible for the security screw up then, in yor opinion, clinton, jarrett??… Any idea??.. On a different note, what else is he doing these days anyways, other than campaigning…do you think that it is normal that after a day of crisis when our ambassador was killed due to state department incompetence mainly, he goes on to campaign in vegas, of all places??? Talking of tone deaf….Carter redux…

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 8:13 AM

This is the horrific part of this incident: the threat assessment was taken, actions to prevent problems were supposed to be put in place, protests that were scheduled at least two weeks in advance were not properly assessed, and the security put in place was awful to non-existent.

The Embassy is US soil.

A Consulate is considered part of the extended offices of an Ambassador in which he is to be safe and secured against public outrages. If the local government cannot do that (and that is what they told the Ambassador’s staff if not the man himself) then he is supposed to request further help or get out of the place.

The POTUS is also supposed to get security briefings on situations and update security plans via personnel placement for hot areas of the world. That didn’t happen, either, due to the POTUS missing a lot of the Daily briefs. And no one brought up that major protests were scheduled for 9/11 to 9/12 overseas in hot areas, and the President was not pestered about it by those who have the job TO pester him about National Security. Which covers our US personnel overseas.

That isn’t benign neglect.

It isn’t just plain-jane incompetence.

That is willful neglect of sworn duties.

Together these things are damning to any foreign policy creds and national security creds that Team Obama thought it had. Those cards just got wiped off the table on the same day for the same reason.

ajacksonian on September 13, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Do you not believe they have the same emotions as you or I? Its a stunning bit of cognitive dissonance on your part. This basic inability to recognize the mutual humanity is at the core of neoconservative foreign policy.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Haha, emotions, what emotions, doofus…go there and proclaim your gheity publicly and watch them emoting with you…kinda like the same way they emoted with the poor ambassador…how humane is the killing and imprisonment of gheys and adulterers there, pls do tell…is that the humanity that you are talking about and that I am supposed to recognize and emote with????

jimver on September 13, 2012 at 8:26 AM

Peggy please go away. You come across as a pompous hag and it seems you just can’t wait until you have a chance to denigrate a Republican (of course with some remorse). Your time has come and gone so please leave the arena.

Fuquay Steve on September 13, 2012 at 8:27 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 8:13 AM

Together these things are damning to any foreign policy creds and national security creds that Team Obama thought it had. Those cards just got wiped off the table on the same day for the same reason.

ajacksonian on September 13, 2012 at 8:22 AM

ajacksonian:

Man can you write,and better,er,articulated than I!

And the daily breifings,I sent that to tips,a day ago,I think.
I`ve flooded H/A tip box since around 3:00AM,and I don`t under
stand,why there wasn`t more US Gaurd presence,and,I think,Embassy
staff,needs to have a armament,er guns,if it gets that bad!:)

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 8:44 AM

*************ALERT ***************************

Video: Protesters clash with security forces in Cairo

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Is there no way to memorialize this man’s tragic end without beating the war drum?

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM

…he may have been sodomized before they killed him…YOU know what that is don’t you!
Little early in the day for drugs isn’t it?

KOOLAID2 on September 13, 2012 at 9:03 AM

canopfor on September 13, 2012 at 8:44 AM

I just say what I mean, and take off the sugar coating.

Your tips are pertinent and seminal not only today but on many days in the past, and I thank you for them! Without the raw information one cannot properly formulate a coherent thought, which is why we get so much incoherence from the Left.

What happened in Cairo and Benghazi are symptoms of the disease, not the disease itself.

ajacksonian on September 13, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Animals.

u give animals other than homo sapiens a bad name.

men in war are savage.

gracie on September 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM

Men in war don’t rape other men. And, there is no ‘war’. It was a “street demonstration” (according to our vaunted state dept.)
The simple fact is that arab men are deviant animals – and should be put down as such. (A couple of cluster bombs on the next “demonstration” might serve nicely)

Solaratov on September 13, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Of course Zero went to Vegas. It’s easier to look responsible, there, where everybody else is drunk and chasing pu$$y . . . or something.

TheClearRiver on September 13, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Well, at least lil barry wasn’t “chasing pu$$y”. Now, chasing after other men’s a$$e$ – that’s another story.

Solaratov on September 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM

A New Caliphate Arising. Ask yourself why, why now? The answer will lead you to the next part of the equation. Escalation is inevitable.

Bmore on September 13, 2012 at 10:18 AM

The embassy statement was garbage, we all know it was garbage and finally someone on our side said it was garbage. What happened next was all the namby pamby hand wringers on our side opened their mouths and sided with the meme of the day. Not a big surprise but you’d think they would just stfu and not worry about getting an interview done on the day we had 4 Americans killed by a bunch of savages still living in the 6th century. I’m with Mr. K, they can all go to hell. Meanwhile our empty chair goes to a Vegas fundraiser where he proclaims ‘we had a tough day’.

Kissmygrits on September 13, 2012 at 10:31 AM

libfreeordie,

You are a moron. But everyone already knew that.

Gov Romney made his comments about the statement (via Twitter) made by the US Embassy in Egypt BEFORE the attack on the US Consulate in Libya. The statement by the Embassy has been criticized by both the State Dept and the White House. Gov Romney’s comments were not “out of line” or inappropriate. They were right on target, but since the LDM (Lap Dog Media) are vested in getting our MITOO (Moron in the Oval Office) re-elected, they attack Gov Romney, rather than question the MITOO about the failure to protect our soveriegn soil overseas.

Now, as for the incidents in Libya, the protests had been planned for weeks. If the MITOO had attended his Daily Intelligence Briefings, he would have know about the protests and could have directed additional security measures to be taken. Instead, he was golfing, partying, and doing “important” interviews with “Entertainment Tonight” and “People” magazine. Can’t allow his CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES interfere with his re-election campaign and leisure activities. “Daily Intelligence Brief? Sorry, no can do. I have a 9:00 AM tee-time. Tomorrow’s Brief? Gonna have to skip that one as well. I have this interview to do with ‘Pimp with a Limp’. Check with me when I get back from Vegas. Maybe I can squeeze the briefing in, but don’t count on it. I’m trying to get my handicap down to single digits and need to work on my short game.”

The MITOO is a disgrace. I thought Pres Clinton disgraced the office of the President, but this one is far worse. The MITOO is totally incompetent. I though Pres Carter was the most incompetent President, but this one is far less equipped for the job as President. He had no executive experience and the experience he has acquired as President is a drag on his resume, rather than a positive.

If it wasn’t for the LDM, the MITOO would have an approval rating that would rival that of Congress. They totally ignore the secrecy concerning his background (college admission records, academic records, passports, etc). They totally ignore his open, close associations with known terrorists (Bill Ayres, et all). They totally ignore his frequent lies, distortions, and projections. If it weren’t for the LDM, no Democrat would ever be elected, let alone re-elected.

As are all liberals, you are living in an alternate universe. One where up is down, wrong is right, and everything is powered with unicorn f@rts.

GAlpha10 on September 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:20 AM

While we understand that – for you and yours – anal rape is just another day at the beach, for most normal Americans it is deviant behavior. And Americans become – justifiably – outraged when a pack of animals rapes and murders one of our diplomats and then parades his body through the streets.
In those circumstances, I believe that ascribing a somewhat lower degree of “humanity” to a mob of arab animals is completely justified. And, those animals should be put down. In fact, the entire city of Benghazi should be bombed to rubble.

Solaratov on September 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM

If you think I’m highjacking a thread you are completely free to not respond to my posts.

libfreeordie on September 13, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Oh, by no means. You just keep right on posting. You are giving everyone a very clear and concise view into the mind of the leftists who want to see America brought to her knees.
And, most people don’t get to see into the mind of a craven apologist and coward very often. It’s alien to them – so, you are performing a valuable service, liveasaslaveanddie.
By all means – keep on.

Solaratov on September 13, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Canopfor!! Man YOU are blowing me away! I sincerely believe Ed and Allah could use you to fill in the blanks!

This is the first time I have come back to an QOTD in the morning…

WOW!!

You have worked tirelessly to ensure we get to see and read about what the heck is going on…

You should be given a Green Room spot ASAP!

Thanks a million mate!!

Scrumpy on September 13, 2012 at 10:55 AM

This thing has really hurt the ONE…even the true believers are trying to come to terms with his cold blooded response to the ambassador’s death.

d1carter on September 13, 2012 at 11:04 AM

libfreeordie YOU make me sick to my stomach! How dare you say the things you are saying…

Where is your sympathy for the many hundreds of thousands killed by your warm and fuzzy Islamists?

Where were you when radicals forced men and women into a ditch and set them on fire huh? WHERE WERE YOU THEN!!

Where were you when raped women are buried up to their necks and STONED TO DEATH!

Where were YOU when peoples houses of worship and torn down burned and destroyed?

Where were YOU when Coptic Christians in Egypt have been persecuted eh?

Where the phuck were you libfreeordie?

You piss me off more than anyone… you have no clue!

It’s people like you that make this world such a horrible place to live in and you are supposedly a Professor?

You are the most UNAMERICAN person I have ever known…

GFYS…

Scrumpy on September 13, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Hmmm……
It looks as though liveasaslaveanddie has run away.
Emulating its obamassiah, I suppose.

Solaratov on September 13, 2012 at 11:29 AM

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