Boehner: “Not confident at all” that we can strike a deal before the fiscal cliff

posted at 4:01 pm on September 11, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

In addendum to my earlier trillion-dollar-deficit and possible-Moody’s-credit-downgrade post, here’s what our Congressional leaders had to say on the subject, via The Hill. Speaker of the House John Boehner, in response to a question about Moody’s announcement, says that President Obama and the Senate Democrats have gone AWOL on producing a viable debt deal:

“I’m not confident at all. Listen, the House has done its job, on both the sequester and the looming tax hikes that will cost our economy some 700,000 jobs. The Senate at some point has to act. And on both of these, where’s the president? Where’s the leadership? Absent without leave.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, on the other hand, seems to disagree (it’s shocking, I know):

Reid told reporters that it is far too early to give up on the prospect of a bipartisan deal on taxes and spending during the lame-duck session after Election Day.

He said Republicans need to look at the glass “half full” instead of “half empty,” noting that Democrats are willing to extend the Bush-era tax rates for 98 percent of American families.

“I was disappointed when my friend John Boehner said today that he has no confidence on a budget deal. I think we have to look at the glass being half full and not half empty all the time. I’m confident that we will reach some kind of arrangement,” Reid said.

“It’s much, much too early to give up,” Reid added. “I’m not going to give up.”

At the risk of shocking you all again, I’m with Speaker Boehner on this one. For what feels like the zillionth time, hiking taxes on families making more than 250k a year is not a solution to our debt problem. It’s a populist balm that makes people feel better by channeling their resentment toward the wealthy and making them participate in “shared sacrifice” or whatever, but it’s a balm that will come at the price of jobs, stability, and economic growth. President Obama has been steadily touring the country, focusing his campaign around this one faux-point, and trying to convince Americans that he can’t get anything done now because of those darn obstructionist Republicans but that his hitherto unknown leadership skills will magically materialize on a second term. …Why do I still feel so skeptical?


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This time, Boehner has Woodward’s book to help him out.

JohnTant on September 11, 2012 at 4:03 PM

So who’s taking bets on when Boehner caves?

sharrukin on September 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Deal this, Mr Speaker…………RASPBERRIES!

Limerick on September 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM

As far as I’m concerned, the candle is burning at both ends – and we’re in the middle.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Suckers all.

astonerii on September 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM

but it’s a balm that will come at the price of jobs, stability, and economic growth.

Maybe it’s a lesson that needs to be taught the hard way.

lorien1973 on September 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Not confident at all….unless there is a change in administration and GOP control of the Senate come November.

bayview on September 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Reid hasn’t produced a budget in over 3 years but he’s confident we’ll get this squared way in several months?

gwelf on September 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Sure you can strike a deal. Give the dems everything they want, carte blanche, and there, you’ve got a deal.

hawkeye54 on September 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

So who’s taking bets on when Boehner caves?

sharrukin on September 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Caves on what? Letting the rate for the top 2% of income earners expire? Wouldn’t they have to pass an entirely new bill for that to happen? As I understand it, the Bush tax cuts are an all or nothing deal when it comes to extending them or letting them expire(as evidenced in December 2010).

Boehner could theoretically cave if Obama were to win reelection, but would the votes be there in the House or Senate? Those people have to stand for reelection themselves in the years to come and the base will destroy them for hiking taxes on anyone.

Doughboy on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

BacaDog on September 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Makes you want to throw up doesn’t it.

gophergirl on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Sequestration does not need to be stopped. The tax hikes need to be stopped. But the sequestration cuts need to go forward full force. Yes, even on the military. And then we need lots more across-the-board cuts. Here’s one conservative hoping that gridlock prevents this from getting changed.

Shump on September 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Boehner will cave….not IF but WHEN. Then, cue the tears.

search4truth on September 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Yep I do.

He is for everything I am against – why would I want him to succeed?

gophergirl on September 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Boehner always has a brown nose after these fights.

Eventually he just caves in and does it Harry Reids way.

Boehner never stands up to Obama/Reid.

Steveangell on September 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM

So who’s taking bets on when Boehner caves?

sharrukin on September 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM

.
I ain’t betting . . . . . only praying he doesn’t.

listens2glenn on September 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Magical thinking…. the MARK OF THE UNICORN PRINCE.

thatsafactjack on September 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM

So much for our relations with Israel.

The White House declined Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s request on Tuesday to meet U.S. President Barack Obama during a UN conference in New York at the end of the month.

Just what does Netanyahu expect? He’s jeopardizing Obama’s grand plans for the muslim empire revival. Obama’s got nothing to say to him until Bibi starts showing signs he’s willing to be more flexible.

hawkeye54 on September 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Caves on what?

Doughboy on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

The budget deal that both Reid and Boehner are commenting on?

sharrukin on September 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM

hiking taxes on families making more than 250k a year is not a solution to our debt problem.

Correct. It’s part of a solution to our debt problem.

Why is everyone determined to avoid the fiscal cliff? The “fiscal cliff” would actually help our deficit problem: increased taxes, decreased spending.

Supposedly the answer is that it’ll cause a second recession, but you’re going to have to deal with the pain of bringing yourself back into balance at some point. Might as well be now.

Stoic Patriot on September 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

We want America to fail.

– Entire Obama administration since the day he was elected.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on September 11, 2012 at 4:11 PM

“It’s much, much too early to give up,” Reid added. “I’m not going to give up.”

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RobertMN on September 11, 2012 at 4:11 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

You and yours are “failures,” by definition. You would have the State take from us, so that it can take care of you, and in doing so, you make the State stronger – and yourself, weaker.

To hell with you, and with your politics of greed, covetousness, confiscation and dependence.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 11, 2012 at 4:11 PM

IIRC, isn’t bho/team to be giving a report on this issue before the end of the week per carney? They are already a week pass due this report. Wanna bit just like F&F they will stall stall stall and blame the R’s for a do nothing against bho? And if they do bring out a report, it will be the Friday dump with thousands of pages of pure bull krap?
L

letget on September 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

And he sure didn’t let us down, did he?

Doughboy on September 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Of course we want him to fail. He’s pushing massive overspending and a dependency economy and government intrusion into peoples lives on an unprecedented scale.

Why wouldn’t we want him to fail?

sharrukin on September 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM

WeObama wants ObamaAmerica to fail.

Entire GOP since the day Obama was electedTHE TRUTH

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

FIFY

22044 on September 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM

the House has done its job, on both the sequester and the looming tax hikes that will cost our economy some 700,000 jobs.

The only thing is, none of us know what that is, because the media only shows Obama and Harry Reid saying its the House republicans fault.

Harry Reid doesn’t have a budget, and Boehner should not fund his non budget. Sorry, election year? I just don’t care. The voters don’t want any more funding of this spending without a budget.

Fleuries on September 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Yep. And?

changer1701 on September 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

We don’t have to hope he does. We have you to hope he doesn’t.

Limerick on September 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Obama will happily drive us over the edge of this cliff. It takes us exactly where he wants to go, and it gets us to the bottom faster.

novaculus on September 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Y’all well understand that quirky feeling of deja vu.

Well, lately, I’ve had a few of what I can only call the opposite.
I’ve had short flashes of how glorious it feels to actually have a responsible leader in the WH.
I’m serious.
Maybe it’s God’s way of keeping me from sinking into the darkest depths of despair.
Whatever’s going on, it sure is a reassuring feeling, now and then.

Nov 6/7 cannot get here soon enough !!!

pambi on September 11, 2012 at 4:15 PM

I ain’t betting . . . . . only praying he doesn’t.

listens2glenn on September 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM

If you listen to the clip he doesn’t sound terribly convincing. More like he is posturing for public consumption.

sharrukin on September 11, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Sorry for the OT:

So much for our relations with Israel.

The White House declined Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s request on Tuesday to meet U.S. President Barack Obama during a UN conference in New York at the end of the month.

Best leader ever.

BacaDog on September 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I wonder if this will have any influence over the Jewish vote. Probably not.

jazzmo on September 11, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Boehner could theoretically cave if Obama were to win reelection, but would the votes be there in the House or Senate? Those people have to stand for reelection themselves in the years to come and the base will destroy them for hiking taxes on anyone.

Doughboy on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

No, the base will not destroy them for hiking taxes. We’ll be sold tax hikes as a necessary compromise to save the country, and I think a good chunk of the party will willingly go along with it. Remember that Boehner very nearly caved into Obama on tax hikes last year and only pulled back when Obama walked out on the deal.

There were no consequences for Republicans that I can see, and in fact I recall some posters on this board enthusiastically supporting the bargain, and others going through the “we’re so sad about it and it’s awful but we have to do it” routine.

I regard “hold their feet to the fire” as a myth.

Doomberg on September 11, 2012 at 4:16 PM

We want Obama to fail.

– Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

We want Obama to succeed!

–Muslim Brotherhood, Putin, Chavez, Iran, etc

search4truth on September 11, 2012 at 4:16 PM

We want Obama America to fail.

- Entire Dem party since the day before Obama was ever elected.

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

You should be so proud.

antipc on September 11, 2012 at 4:16 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

That’s amazing! The molester actually got something right!

FREE CANDY FOR EVERYONE!!

CurtZHP on September 11, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Not confident at all….unless there is a change in administration and GOP control of the Senate come November.

bayview on September 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Bush, House, Senate, 6 years.

astonerii on September 11, 2012 at 4:18 PM

If you listen to the clip he doesn’t sound terribly convincing. More like he is posturing for public consumption.

I’ve always had little faith in Weepy….he’s a “get along” type of guy. We need a Churchill, not a Chamberlain.

hawkeye54 on September 11, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Shump on September 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM

even if we hit the cliff vis a vis sequestration, it aint changing anything. they’ll use apportionment. in the early stages anyway. until the GOP congress restores it. i know you’d rather that not happen (and i as well), but it may. if they have a program budgeted for 12Mil in ’12 and in ’13 sequestration takes it to 6 Mil. they’ll re-apportion the outlays frontloading them. so they’ll continue with the 1MM/mo pace in Jan-march etc. they wont stright line the cuts and reduce each months expenditure starting jan 1. if funds are not restored it would continue apace thru june (in the example) and then just stop. rather than go 12 months at 50% speed. thats the way they roll. sequestration as far as the fiscal cliff is concerned is overstated, the effects anyway. immediate effects. and as far as tax rates, we’ve got AMT tax rates right NOW for 2012 that everyone KNOWS they will patch. so we’re already IN the fiscal cliff as far as tax rates (AMT) and thats a lot worse than the penny-ante 3%-5% they’re talking about starting jan 1 on ordinary income. the cap gains go from 15 to 20% as well. but many folks can delay gains until the GOP congress does itsa 1986-style “reform” via reconciliation in about may ’13.

t8stlikchkn on September 11, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Boehner should tell Reid, “This is what elections are for. If Obama wins I’ll try and get it done your way, if he loses and you lose control of the Senate, we do it my way, but we get it done in the lameduck.” or he could also say, “Pass a budget and get it done that way.”

bflat879 on September 11, 2012 at 4:19 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I wanted him to fail wasting money in the stimulus.

I wanted him to fail screwing up the health care system.

I wanted him to fail blowing money on bogus “green” companies

I wanted him to fail blocking the Keystone Pipeline

I wanted him to fail running Chicago-style crony capitalism from the White House

I wanted him to fail turning the US into an European-style entitlement state.

Yeah, I admit it. I wanted him to fail.

You gotta problem with that?

PackerBronco on September 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM

We want Obama to fail.
- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Show me one instance of any lefty wanting a Republican to succeed?

We don’t want Obama to succeed at tearing down the country. You seem to want him to tear down the country. Why do you want to destroy our entire way of life?

Have you been alive through the past couple generations? The Shreaking Eels of the Democrat Media have “convicted” every Republican President for the past 40 years.

You reap one ounce of what you and your party have sown for the past 40 years and you are crying the blues?

“I jus can’t take it no mo ”
“I jus can’t take it no mo ”
“Cause those mean publicans shoved my own words down my throat.”

“Woh…woh…oh yeaah….”

The Democrat Reap an Ounce of the Tons You’ve Sown Blues.

8 bar New Orleans type of thing for those that care.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:21 PM

I’ve always had little faith in Weepy….he’s a “get along” type of guy. We need a Churchill, not a Chamberlain.

hawkeye54 on September 11, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Churchill was much too belligerent and he’s not photogenic. I am fairly sure he wouldn’t appeal to the moderates and might alienate some Democrats.

That Chamberlain guy looks much more like the sort of fellow we want representing the GOP. /

sharrukin on September 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Sorry for the OT:
So much for our relations with Israel.
BacaDog on September 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Netanyahu, you magnificent ba$tard !!
Bait taken !!!
MUUWAHAHA.

pambi on September 11, 2012 at 4:24 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

No need dor that, that pathetic idiot much obliged in the failure department…

jimver on September 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Somebody tell Speaker Orange Wonder if ordinary Americans run out of money, they stop spending immediately.

Valiant on September 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

No, it’s just that we conservatives read history and live in reality and we knew his policies would fail because they’ve never worked anywhere, EVAH!!!

Yakko77 on September 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM

I’m confident that I can jam a few thousand more rounds into my place somewhere.

These jackholes aren’t serious and that means we’re screwed, blued and tattooed.

Bishop on September 11, 2012 at 4:29 PM

I know it’s the wrong thing for the country, but I almost wish the GOP had allowed Reid and Obama to hike taxes on the “rich” last year. By now the economy would be in even bigger trouble, and hopefully it would be settled once and for all how useless and counterproductive the tax increase was.

Well, maybe not. There’s plenty of history to prove Obama wrong, but people buy into the populist crap, anyway.

The Rogue Tomato on September 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM

“Boehner: “Not confident at all” that we can strike a deal before the fiscal cliff”
…of course, any “deal” struck by spineless, gutless, cry-me-a-river establishment-buffoon boehner is probably not worth having, like his last wimpy deal.

TeaPartyNation on September 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM

We don’t have to hope he does. We have you to hope he doesn’t.

Limerick on September 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM

hope we much

t8stlikchkn on September 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Neither Obama or the Democrats in congress have accomplished anything but it appears that the mindless masses couldn’t care less. This is a country in severe decline and nobody gives a rat’s backside . . . brace yourself for impact.

rplat on September 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM

How come Boehner never sounds this tough on Fast and Furious?

Barrack on September 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Cut off the money to the Romney campaign and the RNC until they START ATTACKING OBAMA!!!!

ATTACK OBAMA…….like he has been doing to us for the last three and a half years!!!

Otherwise…..go ahead bring this sucker down, these politicians…..ugh!!!!

PappyD61 on September 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM

The GOP leadership………..EMPTY CHAIR!!!

PappyD61 on September 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM

No, the base will not destroy them for hiking taxes. We’ll be sold tax hikes as a necessary compromise to save the country….
Doomberg on September 11, 2012 at 4:16 PM

we’ll be sold tax “simplification” and rate reduction, while reducing deduiitons and net net for most it will be a tax increase, probably. but will be sold the same it was in 86, as a reduction. but everyones taxes bottom line (mostly) went up. and most wont even notice.

t8stlikchkn on September 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM

I’m confident that I can jam a few thousand more rounds into my place somewhere.

These jackholes aren’t serious and that means we’re screwed, blued and tattooed.

Bishop on September 11, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Shelter. Water. Ammunition. Food. Fire. Tools. – see how I place ammunition ahead of food? And I’m not even a gun nut.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Hey! Obama has a lot on his plate.

It isn’t easy having to fund raise all day & still end up $15 million in the hole for your convention. And don’t even get him started on the trauma of failing to fill Bank of America stadium despite giving away free tickets & busing people in from surrounding areas.

This “leading on the fiscal cliff” thing is way down on the list of priorities unless it involves a round of golf.

Dark Star on September 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM

t8stlikchkn on September 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Why I think comsumption is the way to go. Very hard to avoid paying it and harder still to not see it. Everyone knows it applies to them.

astonerii on September 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Shelter. Water. Ammunition. Food. Fire. Tools. – see how I place ammunition ahead of food? And I’m not even a gun nut.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM

FUBAR demolition tool, don’t forget that; the all purpose destroyer.

http://www.acsupply.co.uk/ekmps/shops/acsonline/images/stanley-fatmax-xl-fubar-utility-bar-46-cm-21634-p.jpg

Bishop on September 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM

President Obama has been steadily touring the country, focusing his campaign around this one faux-point

He is a degenerate man and ‘chief’, a hypocrite and liar to boot too.

Schadenfreude on September 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM

suckers…

equanimous on September 11, 2012 at 4:40 PM

We want Obama to fail.

– Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Expecting Obama to be treated differently than every other POTUS in the history of the United States of America has been treated by the opposition party is called the “bigotry of low expectations” and proves you’re a racist. Just FYI.

Dark Star on September 11, 2012 at 4:40 PM

We want Obama to fail.

– Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

In the name of all which is good, I hope he fails!!!

Schadenfreude on September 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I think we have to look at the glass being half full and not half empty all the time.

I prefer to look at the chair as completely empty.

DrAllecon on September 11, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Bishop on September 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Breakdown Buck Saw

I like the Demo tool. Lowes or Home Depot? 30 bucks? 20?

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Shelter. Water. Ammunition. Food. Fire. Tools. – see how I place ammunition ahead of food? And I’m not even a gun nut.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM

If you have enough ammo, food is not a problem.

Lily on September 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM

hiking taxes on families making more than 250k a year is not a solution to our debt problem.

Correct. It’s part of a solution to our debt problem.

Why is everyone determined to avoid the fiscal cliff? The “fiscal cliff” would actually help our deficit problem: increased taxes, decreased spending.

Stoic Patriot on September 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM

$250+ will include small business aka job creators.
They won’t hire/invest even IF they can remain in business.
Taxing success will not help our economy.

Buttercup on September 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Shelter. Water. Ammunition. Food. Fire. Tools. – see how I place ammunition ahead of food? And I’m not even a gun nut.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Don’t forget gold and silver.

Doomberg on September 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM

To hell with you, and with your politics of greed, covetousness, confiscation and dependence.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 11, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Good ‘ne, you left out: division, racism, subjugation for votes, exploitation of the poor/dumb (yes, some can go under dependence, I realize). Just trying to set the record straight.

In the meanwhile the Obamas live better than emperors, based on absolutely nothing.

Schadenfreude on September 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Don’t forget gold and silver.

Doomberg on September 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM

I’d rather have Whiskey and Cigarettes to trade. Gold and silver can’t be used for much when SHTF IMHO.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Proposed Speaker Boehner statement:

“I will work with Harry Reid the minute he passes a budget.”
Game, set, MATCH!!

Khun Joe on September 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM

We want Obama to fail.

– Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I love it so much that I wanted to repeat your post.

Fail, fail, fail Obama so that the land succeeds again.

Schadenfreude on September 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM

If you have enough ammo, food is not a problem.

Lily on September 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Yes. But I can’t quite bring myself to shoot a beautiful four-legger right now when turkey meat is $.79/lb. on sale, and primal cuts of beef can be had for $2.50 – 3.00/lb. Under different circumstances – no-problem.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I’ve said it before – and I’ll say it again: John Boehner is no friend of a conservative victory in November. Please just go away John, go away.

seanrobins on September 11, 2012 at 4:50 PM

We want Obama to fail.

- Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Turns out, he did it all on his own. He was a failure before he was elected, and he’s been a total failure as a President. Petulant, narcissistic, stupid people rarely become successful in their late 40′s. YOU ELECTED A MORON.

Night Owl on September 11, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I like the Demo tool. Lowes or Home Depot? 30 bucks? 20?

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 4:44 PM

The Fubar is about $25 or you can get a 32″ version for about $60 or so at Home Depot. Dead On also makes one with a much lighter head, sort of looks like a war-spike, but it doesn’t have a beak to really punch through….things.

Bishop on September 11, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Annnnnnnnd the White House spins away at their propaganda site, er, website. Teh evil repubs are holding middle class Americans hostage…

Buy Danish on September 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM

If you have enough ammo, food is not a problem.
Lily on September 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Our struggling self-employment can’t afford the luxury, tho our hearts are there.
We were beginning to build our stash when laid off.
From then on, it’s become daily survival, and not much for future. :-(
Sigh.

pambi on September 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Reid told reporters that it is far too early to give up on the prospect of a bipartisan deal on taxes and spending during the lame-duck session after Election Day.
He said Republicans need to look at the glass “half full” instead of “half empty,” noting that Democrats are willing to extend the Bush-era tax rates for 98 percent of American families.
“I was disappointed when my friend John Boehner said today that he has no confidence on a budget deal. I think we have to look at the glass being half full and not half empty all the time. I’m confident that we will reach some kind of arrangement,” Reid said.
“It’s much, much too early to give up,” Reid added. “I’m not going to give up.”

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KOOLAID2 on September 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

If Obama wins, you really are going to see a financial sh!tstorm.

I can guarantee you the GOP House is not going to cut a deal on the “fiscal cliff” or on a partial extension on the Bush tax cuts, and for good reason. Both of which are antithetical to what Republicans ran on, which was not raising taxes or increasing spending.

Which means taxes are going to rocket up for the middle class, payroll taxes are going up, ordinary wage taxes, capital gains taxes, estate taxes, Medicare taxes etc. Small business owners will be the hardest hit. It’s enough alone to throw us into an even deeper recession. Combine that with no agreement on a debt deal, and you’re looking at a collapse that’s going to be on Obama’s watch.

This will be what America voted for, and the hangover from the Obama party is going to finally happen.

I still think Romney has the advantage, but if the election looks like it’s going to Obama, I’ll start liquidating my portfolio and batten down the hatches.

BradTank on September 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM

I honestly don’t think that 2/3 of you guys have any idea at all what the average American people want.

If you’ve bought it all hook like and sinker and gone all in on the ideology of either side, you’re out of the mainstream.

People aren’t stupid.

They haven’t been fully satisfied with Obama. This idea that we just keep spending and spending and spending makes them nervous. But they notion that we can solve out debt problems with spending cuts alone scares the sh*t out of them too because you’d have to cut A LOT of programs and govt departments that people find necessary. Education, health care, military, avg family tax deductions, environmental regulatory agencies, the list goes on and on.

They don’t want these departments running wild, but they are able to see the very clear use of them and the very clear and present dangers to just abolishing some of them and running on hope that it all works out.

They don’t hate Obama and haven’t had any desire to see him just torn apart for doing nothing that hasn’t been par for the course for every president and party in power for the last 100 years. But they also don’t find sane coherent republican philosophies to be the devils workshop as far lefties might who just bought into that side in the same manner that many of you here have the AM advertising salesman schtick on the right.

The American people want a government that works. People understand when you get into debt you don’t just stop spending, you need to be upping the amount you make in payments as well or else the interest is just gonna drag on and you’re only gonna have to pay more and more.

Cut spending, raise some taxes, take your medicine, stop whining about what you can PORTRAY the “other guy” as doing or saying, and just work together like reasonable adult human beings. That’s what people want. A government that works.

Both sides are guilty. Both sides are at fault. And neither side if given full power is gonna do a d*mn thing but exactly what they whined and moaned about months before when they were out of power and the “other guy” was in.

If you think a republican president and senate is gonna fix things, you’re a fool. Period. A special kind of fool.

If you believe the democrats will, you’re no different.

I just can’t believe so many seem so unable to see through the game and look at what really goes on instead of just picking a team and rah-rah-rah-ing right along regurgitating what you heard this afternoon from Rush. Or DWS of the otherside.

Can you guys really not see this? Seriously?

If you believe in the republicans, I’m sorry, you’ve got a big let-down coming if they obtain power. Just like you always do. Just like democrats always do.

Meanwhile the REAL American people are just caught in the middle of this petty school yard mud fight that means nothing. Nothing at all but theater. Waiting, and hoping, that one day the people on both sides can open their eyes and realize that, we’re part of the problem.

Everytime you buy into a parties bs and go along to fighting the otherside for them, you’re a part of the problem.

Just pass a reasonable budget Washington. Cut spending, raise some taxes, start paying down the debt. And stfu and start acting like adults.

Nobody gives a sh*t about the partisan narratives anymore because everyone knows they’re all full of manipulations, spin, and bs, meant to do nothing but make sure it’s not the “other guy” who gets credit for doing what needs to be done while in office, and therefor reaping the electoral rewards afterwards.

That’s all it’s about. Elections and power.

But by all means, cheer on your team like anything is actually gonna change or ever has with them. Good luck.

Boomer_Sooner on September 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Hey, elite media, I just did a poll! ROMNEY IS PROJECTED TO LANDSLIDE OBAMA WITH 100% OF THE VOTE. My poll is every bit as accurate as yours!

Mutnodjmet on September 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM

As the wife of a Lockheed Martin employee who is facing a sequester layoff I say quit fiddling, Rome is burning! I blame the Dems mostly but I also blame the limp wristed RINOs like Boehner for allowing the whole sequester business in the first place.

neyney on September 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

We want Obama to fail.

– Entire GOP since the day Obama was elected

lester on September 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM

YUP, exactly what the Nov 2010 results were all about…

hillsoftx on September 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM

neyney on September 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

FW ??? Son works @ FW L-M.

pambi on September 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Expecting Obama to be treated differently than every other POTUS in the history of the United States of America has been treated by the opposition party is called the “bigotry of low expectations” and proves you’re a racist. Just FYI.

Dark Star on September 11, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Minor nitpick: it’s differently from, not differently than. Did you go to school in Chicago?

Beyond that, I understand what you’re saying, and agree. The double standard is as stark and clear as I’ve ever seen. Criticize Romney/Ryan/Republicans in general, and you’re exercising your right to free speech. Criticize Obama in any way at all, and you’re a racist.

Humphrey on September 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Bishop on September 11, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Yep, found the Stanley in stock a my local store. I’ll get it Tomorrow.

Found a great book: “Trail Food” – helped me to start drying food. We camp and hike and RV a lot – so it fits in with what we do. Helps with the budget.

My greatest concern has been water. I’ve solved that.

Johnny B. we knew you had no guts. We hoped you’d grow up. But I guess not. Oh, well. Don’t come knocking at my door for food and water.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

How does Reid do it ? How ?

williampeck1958 on September 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM

I honestly don’t think that 2/3 of you guys have any idea at all what the average American people want.

Boomer_Sooner on September 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

But you do. You’ve been given the gift of divining the way forward. Lead, oh sage. Wherever you go we shall follow.

Double Face-palm.

oldroy on September 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM

It’s not a “populist balm” for the Democrats to keep insisting on raising taxes on anyone. Nor is this actually favored by the majority of Americans. And no, Harry Reid, it isn;t about a “2% disagrrement” between Republicans and Democrats in Congress.

It’s about a singular focus by Harry Reid and the Democrats on BREAKING the House Republican majority and forcing them to agree to a tax increase. They know this will cause a gigantic rupture within the GOP, multiple incumbents getting hit with debilitating primaries in 2014, a probably overthrow of Beohener and the rest of the leadership, and hopefully lead to a Democratic takeover of Congress. They hoped they could pull this off last year during the debt ceiling crisis, which they thought would destroy Republicans’ chances even in the Presidential election this year. They still think they might make enough of a stink about it to get an outline of a deal that includes a tax increase and then force Mitt Romney to endorse it.

This also explains the focus on Romney’s tax returns by Harry Reid. He’s dying to throw out there that Romney has earned a total of some $200 million over the last 10 years but paid “only” 15 percent of it in taxes, even though he knows that is because of Romney’s income being entirely capital gains. He wants to use this to futher demagogue Republicans for opposing an increase in the INCOME tax rate from 33% to 36%, and he knows most Americans are too dumb to know the difference.

It is ALL politics and political tactrics. Anyone who tells you anything different is lying.

rockmom on September 11, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Raising taxes on those making $250k will not do a thing to help the budget, it would simply be symbolic.

If the Democrats force the position, then I think Boehner should insist on another symbolic gesture that won’t do anything to help the budget – a 20% pay cut for all member of Congress, the President, and members of the Supreme Court. They are the ones who got us into this mess, and the least they can do is make a symbolic gesture that they would like to help resolve it!

Mashman on September 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Humphrey on September 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Um, “than” in that sentence is used as a preposition and means in relation to/in comparison with.

Save your bullets for things that matter (and for when you are actually correct).

Dark Star on September 11, 2012 at 5:17 PM

No debt deal without a budget!

munseym on September 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM

We really are screwed, aren’t we…

wolly4321 on September 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM

It’s about a singular focus by Harry Reid and the Democrats on BREAKING the House Republican majority and forcing them to agree to a tax increase. They know this will cause a gigantic rupture within the GOP, multiple incumbents getting hit with debilitating primaries in 2014, a probably overthrow of Beohener and the rest of the leadership, and hopefully lead to a Democratic takeover of Congress. They hoped they could pull this off last year during the debt ceiling crisis, which they thought would destroy Republicans’ chances even in the Presidential election this year. They still think they might make enough of a stink about it to get an outline of a deal that includes a tax increase and then force Mitt Romney to endorse it.

Also, EXACTLY the path and plan taken by the Republican party from 11:00pm 11/4/08. How can you guys not see that the Republicans do, have done, and will do more of the EXACT same things that are cried out that the other side is doing. Both of them are. They both do the exact same thing, and play the exact same political electoral game, hoping to break the other side well enough to sneak in a super majority and use the same parliamentary bs to execute the same exact types of laws and policies.

It’s ridiculous the amount of cognitive dissonance it must require to be able to sleep at night never recognizing that person staring you back in the mirror is exactly like what you decry as the defeat of America.

This IS America. Petty back and forth theater while the game never changes or stops.

The democrats and Obama have done NOTHING that the republicans hadn’t done before them, and the democrats before them, and the republicans before them, and on an on.

It’s delusion and disingenuous to pretend otherwise when the truth is very easy to find when you turn off talking heads.

Boomer_Sooner on September 11, 2012 at 5:22 PM

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