Video: “Lincoln” teaser trailer

posted at 9:25 pm on September 10, 2012 by Allahpundit

An hors d’oeuvre to whet your appetite for the full trailer on Thursday. I’m in an odd spot for this movie because, on the one hand, my expectations are off-the-charts high — with Spielberg directing and Day Lewis in the lead, I’m more or less expecting Lincoln to be resurrected — but on the other hand, I have no expectations at all. Will it be schmaltzy melodrama? Hyperrealistic and unromantic? Will it try to humanize Lincoln or build on the legend of a remote, martyred warrior-poet? Little of both? Something else? The gratuitous piano bit in the teaser here makes me think it’ll lean towards schmaltz, which is unfortunate given that the tragedy of this story, of all stories, doesn’t need to be telegraphed. But we’ll see.

One other reason to watch: It’s our first exposure to the voice. I knew that Lincoln had a touch of Kentucky twang, but it’s still jarring to hear it here; my own mental template of the Civil War typically doesn’t afford the leader of the union a southern accent. The voice is also correct insofar as it’s not the low, solemn register that portrayals of Lincoln typically depend on. His voice, according to contemporaries, was high — at times almost disagreeably high, “almost as high pitched as a boatswain’s whistle.” That’s not what you’re hearing from Day-Lewis here, but (a) no one will fault him and Spielberg for a bit of creative license to avoid “what the hell?” reactions from the audience, and (b) Lincoln scholar Harold Holzer says that the accounts of Lincoln’s voice being high are likely overstated.

“Lincoln’s voice, as far as period descriptions go, was a little shriller, a little higher,” says Holzer. It would be a mistake to say that his voice was squeaky though. “People said that his voice carried into crowds beautifully. Just because the tone was high doesn’t mean it wasn’t far-reaching,” he says.

When Holzer was researching his 2004 book Lincoln at Cooper Union, he noticed an interesting consistency in the accounts of those who attended Lincoln’s speaking tour in February and March 1860. “They all seem to say, for the first ten minutes I couldn’t believe the way he looked, the way he sounded, his accent. But after ten minutes, the flash of his eyes, the ease of his presentation overcame all doubts, and I was enraptured,” says Holzer. “I am paraphrasing, but there is ten minutes of saying, what the heck is that, and then all of a sudden it’s the ideas that supersede whatever flaws there are.” Lincoln’s voice needed a little time to warm up, and Holzer refers to this ten-minute mark as the “magical moment when the voice fell into gear.”

We’ll see if they can capture that effect without maudlin tinkling piano. More to come on Thursday.


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“We must change history” – Mooch

Electrongod on September 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Hmmm…not sure about the voice, it sounds very, well, contemporary? But I love DDL and I will reserve judgment until I see more.

ellifint on September 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Sorry, but I’ve already seen his biographical film.

Stoic Patriot on September 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

That wasn’t Lincoln talking, it was the soldier.

rndmusrnm on September 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I really hope they don’t screw this up.

MelonCollie on September 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

I’m in an odd spot for this movie

What? I would have through for certain you were a Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter sort of guy.

When is a Conspiracy Theory not a Conspiracy Theory?

SWalker on September 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Where are the vampires…?

Seven Percent Solution on September 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Will it be schmaltzy melodrama? Hyperrealistic and unromantic? Will it try to humanize Lincoln or build on the legend of a remote, martyred warrior-poet? Little of both? Something else?

They’ll make him gay.

Blake on September 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

“They all seem to say, for the first ten minutes I couldn’t believe the way he looked, the way he sounded, his accent. But after ten minutes, the flash of his eyes, the ease of his presentation overcame all doubts, and I was enraptured,” says Holzer.

He’s describing Lincoln’s effect on those he met or who hear him. Could equally well describe a Daniel Day Lewis performance. Rumor is it’s spectacular.

de rigueur on September 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

They aren’t showing any zombies?

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

That wasn’t Lincoln talking, it was the soldier.

rndmusrnm on September 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

~~~~~

D’oh! Thanks!

ellifint on September 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

So does Lincoln morph into a zombie and start killing vampires? Is this that movie?

Corporal Tunnel on September 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Can’t wait; DDL is an amazing talent.

Midas on September 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Clip too short to determine anything.

Sherman1864 on September 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Wait, so I just watched a trailer for a trailer for a movie?

JimLennon on September 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I’m still recovering from the Christmas Story 2 trailer, I just don’t know if I’m comfortable watching another trailer yet. It could undo all the progress I’ve made these last four days.

Lawdawg86 on September 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

just don’t know if I’m comfortable watching another trailer yet.

Lawdawg86 on September 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Don’t worry…
This isn’t a trailer..

Electrongod on September 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Why would anybody care about Lincoln’s voice as long as he destroys all the vampires?

KMav on September 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM

churchill had a lisp.

it didn’t stop him from being inspiring.

the true great reach people with their spirit and wisdom, not their pitch or accent or diction or the ease with which they can recite a catchy phrase or read a soundbite from a teleprompter.

reliapundit on September 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM

atleast spielberg can’t give this a happy ending

tomas on September 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM

This is going to be the biggest myth porn of all time.

EddieC on September 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM

I knew that Lincoln had a touch of Kentucky twang, but it’s still jarring to hear it here

DDL is British. I expect a terrible KY accent.

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

The voice in this clip, especially the accent, is terrible and does not match any of the descriptions I have read. From everything I have been able to piece together, if you want to hear the voice of Lincoln, listen to either Royal Dano (coincidentally, the voice of the original Disney Lincoln, and I’m willing to bet that they did their research), or Hal Holbrook.

HTL on September 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

2016….
More about my future….

Electrongod on September 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Wait, so I just watched a trailer for a trailer for a movie?

JimLennon on September 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Kinda reminds me of the Obama presidency. What was that?

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Lincoln was probably using his version of a stage voice which, for southern men especially, comes off a bit high and twangy when they’re trying to reach a crowd.

The Ugly American on September 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM

DDL is British.

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Actually, he’s Irish…

The Ugly American on September 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

He will have JWB assault him with a flashlight at the end of the movie..

TheGarbone on September 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

“almost as high pitched as a boatswain’s whistle.”
===================================================

Thats a screetcher!!
(sarc)

canopfor on September 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

OT

It just struck me. It is the eve of. And again the day is a Tuesday. And there is as much innocence of the event on the airwaves as there was on 9/10/01.

I imagine some one will point out how hard it has been on American Muslims and that 30% who died that day were Muslim first responders and Muslim office temps filling in for all the Jews who called in sick that day.

History rolls by.

BL@KBIRD on September 10, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Remember, Spielberg is putting this out.

So when it’s April of 1865 and he’s having one of his last conferences with Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan. Finally, he looks up and says, “When our soldiers return from the army, they need Single Payer Health Care….”

victor82 on September 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Yeah …I tend to agree that it’s not Lewis’s voice we’re hearing.

Sounds like a much younger man…

The Ugly American on September 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

History will be revised so that Mitt’s great great grandfather fired the first shot against Fort Sumter, and Lincoln will be shown having a fireside chat with his wife and talking about the need for universal healthcare.

Bishop on September 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Kinda reminds me of the Obama presidency. What was that?

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Don’t know…
Maybe we need to watch the sequel..

You know..
Where the first Republican President removed the chains from Americans…
And where the Democrats afterward has quitely executed a plan to make Americans put themselves back in chains…

Electrongod on September 10, 2012 at 9:52 PM

DDL was born in London, and raised in England.

Day-Lewis currently holds dual British and Irish citizenship; he became an Irish citizen in 1993

I assume the liberal Irish tax laws had something to do with his Irish citizenship.

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Spielberg and Day-Lewis…

It would take a LOT to screw up that combination.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Not a very good teaser. More like an ad for Google.

Bmore on September 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Lincoln will tell a black soldier, “Someday a black man will be President.”

And the soldier will say, “I hope so, and I hope he’s given more than one term to make this nation we’re fighting for a better place.”

Bishop on September 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Not a very good teaser. More like an ad for Google.

Bmore on September 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

You saw that too…

Electrongod on September 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Spielberg and Day-Lewis…

It would take a LOT to screw up that combination.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Agreed.

You-Eh-Vee on September 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I assume the liberal Irish tax laws had something to do with his Irish citizenship.

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 9:52 PM

It was also after he had just done a couple of movies involving Ireland(My Left Foot and In The Name Of The Father). Probably factored in somewhere.

DDL is a complete and utter basket case, though. Not quite as annoyingly as Brando, but he’s up there.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I got to sneak a peek in person at the filming of a couple of scenes here in Richmond last fall.

Yeah, I know, Spielberg. But still pretty cool.

Bat Chain Puller on September 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Sorry, won’t be viewing the trailer or watching a movie of a man who suspended Habeas Corpus and other parts of the constitution to impose the federal government’s will over independent states and the people. His reasons for doing so were and are irrelevant; he crippled liberty in the process and gave rise, as a consequence, to the intrusions of the federal government from then to this day. He may have been well intentioned, ending slavery needed to be done, but ends do not justify the means, something the liberals and communists and the current resident of the White House eschew.

TXUS on September 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM

You saw that too…

Electrongod on September 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Kinda hard not to. I thought about getting a stopwatch out and replaying it to see who got more time. Lol!

Bmore on September 10, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Lincoln will tell a black soldier, “Someday a black man will be President.”

And the soldier will say, “I hope so, and I hope he’s given more than one term to make this nation we’re fighting for a better place.”

Bishop on September 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

What? Lincoln didn’t say anything about the War being for Gay right? Must not be a documentary then.

SWalker on September 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

The last line of the movie will be Lincoln saying “…my only hope is that sometime in the future the first black president will succeed”.

Then an Obama donation website will flash on the screen.

Vigilante on September 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

No doubt Lincoln will have a vision of Obowma in the future…

Seven Percent Solution on September 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM

One thing is certain — this creation is born of Hollywood and all the cretinous sinister reprobates employed therein. ‘Nuff said.

On a side note: I read somewhere some time ago that Daniel Day Lewis gets into his roles so intensely that he all but forgets his true identity preceding filming as well as for the duration of the film making and that it takes him many more months afterwards to regain his own true personality when the role is completed — to whatever degree his true personality survives anyway.

FlatFoot on September 10, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Spielberg cast him after Obama. I have no interest

Conservative4ev on September 10, 2012 at 10:17 PM

What? Lincoln didn’t say anything about the War being for Gay right? Must not be a documentary then.

SWalker on September 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

After all, he did end Don’t ask – Don’t tell…which was the law of the land until ignorant, misogynistic, homophobic rethuglicans re-instituted it as a part of their War on Women.
Their evil plot came to fruition with the internment of the Japanese in America after the German attack on Pearl Harbor.

//

Solaratov on September 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM

TXUS on September 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM

well burn me down..I agree with you.
But the slavery freedom came later..not the original deal.
Changing history is nice though.

bazil9 on September 10, 2012 at 10:21 PM

that it takes him many more months afterwards to regain his own true personality when the role is completed — to whatever degree his true personality survives anyway.

FlatFoot on September 10, 2012 at 10:13 PM

So, DDL pretty much lives in a fantasy world?

Solaratov on September 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Like you, AP, one of my main interests in seeing this film is the approach Daniel Day-Lewis takes with Lincoln’s voice.

No doubt people have the (misguided) impression that Lincoln had this basso profundo, stentorian voice–not unlike that of Gregory Peck’s–not only because of Hollywood’s over-the-top creative license in the many portrayals of Lincoln but also because Lincoln himself has become so iconic, idealized and idolized that he couldn’t possibly have sounded anything less than commanding.

Based on all of the historical accounts I’ve read about Lincoln’s vocal qualities, I hear bluegrass legend and Kentuckian Bill Monroe’s speaking voice when I think of Lincoln.

Dime IV on September 10, 2012 at 10:24 PM

God Bless John Wilkes Booth. The tyrant Lincoln can burn in Hell. If the “union” is not voluntary, there is no freedom. Spielberg can shove this garbage.

jubalearly on September 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM

I wanna see an AXE…..and some Godless Vampires…..STAT!

Tim_CA on September 10, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Based on all of the historical accounts I’ve read about Lincoln’s vocal qualities, I hear bluegrass legend and Kentuckian Bill Monroe’s speaking voice when I think of Lincoln.

Dime IV on September 10, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Interesting. That’s pretty much how I always “heard” his voice in my mind. I never thought he had a real deep, powerful voice.

Solaratov on September 10, 2012 at 10:34 PM

No doubt Lincoln will have a vision of Obowma in the future…

Seven Percent Solution on September 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM

…wha…but…butt Bah-rock IS Lincoln!

KOOLAID2 on September 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Daniel Day-Lewis transforms into Abraham Lincoln in first official picture from Spielberg’s biopic

PUBLISHED: 22:59 GMT, 8 August 2012
UPDATED: 14:07 GMT, 9 August 2012
**********************************

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2185658/Daniel-Day-Lewis-Abraham-Lincoln-official-picture-Spielbergs-biopic.html

canopfor on September 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Sorry, won’t be viewing the trailer or watching a movie of a man who suspended Habeas Corpus and other parts of the constitution to impose the federal government’s will over independent states and the people. His reasons for doing so were and are irrelevant; he crippled liberty in the process and gave rise, as a consequence, to the intrusions of the federal government from then to this day. He may have been well intentioned, ending slavery needed to be done, but ends do not justify the means, something the liberals and communists and the current resident of the White House eschew.

TXUS on September 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM

You are, oh what’s the word, an idiot. Lincoln crushed a treasonous attempt at secession. States’ rights had nothing to do with it (except for the right to keep slaves), and the problems we have today with the overreach of the Federal Government do not stem from fact of the preservation of the Union in the face of a despicable, illegal and disingenuous rebellion.

The only people I feel sorry for are those Southerners who thought that they were fighting for “states rights”, when in fact all they were doing is dying for the benefit of a few amoral, economically moronic and reactionary slaveholders who manipulated them into believing that the preservation of slavery was in fact an issue of “liberty”.

HTL on September 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I am always nervous whenever Hollywood (even Spielberg) makes a bio pic on a famous American. Many times it becomes a propaganda piece that supports their idiotic political views.

So get ready for the gay marriage supporting, anti-banking, anti-wall street, pro-national health care, atheist, pacifist, communist fantasy vision of Lincoln. I think Lincoln was one the greatest presidents this country ever had, but the left wing, like they do with everything else, create total fabrications and hallucinations when it comes to American history.

With that said at least Lucas is not doing it…or poor Lincoln might be surrounded by Ewoks…

William Eaton on September 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

No doubt Lincoln will have a vision of Obowma in the future…

Seven Percent Solution on September 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Seven Percent Solution:)

Coming Soon…….Back to the Future 6!!!!

Hopeys Great Great Great Great Great grandfather,saves
Linclon from…………..(snark).

canopfor on September 10, 2012 at 10:43 PM

John Wilkes Booth was a coward and a murderer. Lincoln was a tyrant and a helluva poet. The USA ceased existence (as it was founded) in 1861. It was founded on series of contradictions and eventually choked to death on them around 1861.

The civil war would have been fought even if the North had been the slave-holders. The South would have rebelled even if the North hadn’t tried to free the slaves.

History is dirty. Spielberg is only dressing the hog for market.

spmat on September 10, 2012 at 10:49 PM

God Bless John Wilkes Booth. The tyrant Lincoln can burn in Hell. If the “union” is not voluntary, there is no freedom. Spielberg can shove this garbage.

jubalearly on September 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM

I am as critical of Lincoln as anyone you know, mostly for his decision to contravene the Constitution during the War, but never in my life have I ever heard anyone ask God to bless his assassin, nor could I countenance same. Lincoln was certainly no lighthouse of freedom, on the contrary actually, but your post here renders me sad, as if it were from some kid bereft of decency. I say this not in anger but in hopes you’ll realize that Lincoln, unlike Obama, loved this country, albeit his methods were just as suspect.

TXUS on September 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Hopefully, no one informed Spielberg and Lewis of Lincoln’s Republican status.

While Lewis is physically repugnant enough for the role, I am a fan of neither the director nor the actor on this project.

Perhaps I will watch it for the costuming and set design sans audio.

Anyone watch that inaccurate Conspirator tripe from Redford? He really set the barre high. Good luck, Mr Spielberg.

tuffy on September 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM

So, HTL. Let me get this right. When the states ratified the Constituion, they did so with the understanding that any attempt to leave would be met with the death of its citizens – by the thousands or 10′s of thousands? They ratified with the understatnding that they were no longer sovereign? Just wanted to make sure I understand what REALLY happened. Thanks for the help!

jubalearly on September 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM

TXUS, Lincoln may have loved his country – HIS country. The country run by big government Whigs. He certainly didn’t love the CONSTITUTION. I side with the Constitution. The one WITHOUT the 14th Amendment.

jubalearly on September 10, 2012 at 11:06 PM

You are, oh what’s the word, an idiot. Lincoln crushed a treasonous attempt at secession. States’ rights had nothing to do with it (except for the right to keep slaves), and the problems we have today with the overreach of the Federal Government do not stem from fact of the preservation of the Union in the face of a despicable, illegal and disingenuous rebellion.

The only people I feel sorry for are those Southerners who thought that they were fighting for “states rights”, when in fact all they were doing is dying for the benefit of a few amoral, economically moronic and reactionary slaveholders who manipulated them into believing that the preservation of slavery was in fact an issue of “liberty”.

HTL on September 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Thank you for calling me an idiot, one of the nicest things said of me today, and yesterday, and probably tomorrow.

Sleep tight in your government’s womb.

TXUS on September 10, 2012 at 11:10 PM

So other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the trailer?

Buck Turgidson on September 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Southerners, like Northerners, seem to ignore their own trampling of liberty when it suited them. As if they were living in some kind of pristine temple of liberty until the the “Yankees” invaded and forced them into a forced union, a union southerners supported when it suited them even at the expense of the north.

Here is some examples off the top my head:

(1) Why did Virginia not allow (or recognize) Western Virginia to breakaway from Virginia? Same with parts of Tennessee, North Carolina, Jones County (in Mississippi), parts of Texas, etc., etc.? Are those people who did not want to leave the Union in what become the CSA not allowed their freedom to make their own choices and have their own nation or rejoin back to the Union?

(2) Why did southerns support the Fugitive Slave Law imposed by the federal government on northern states. Don’t Northern have states rights?

(3) What about in the War of 1812 when New England was thinking about breaking away from the Union (Hartford Convention), southerners etc., were not pleased by that plan.

(4) Obviously slavery…

Those are just off the top of my head, the point is freedom means different things to different people. I am not saying the north (or Lincoln) was perfect either, and I have ancestors who fought on both sides during the Civil War. With that said, I think the right side won the war.

William Eaton on September 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM

The Southern ‘war of independence’ was more legal and less seditious than the one “four score and seven years” prior to it that Lincoln referenced in his Gettysburg speech. Laws prohibiting slavery and secession were written after the war started, not before. You could look it up.

Knott Buyinit on September 10, 2012 at 11:32 PM

So, HTL. Let me get this right. When the states ratified the Constituion, they did so with the understanding that any attempt to leave would be met with the death of its citizens – by the thousands or 10′s of thousands? They ratified with the understatnding that they were no longer sovereign? Just wanted to make sure I understand what REALLY happened. Thanks for the help!

jubalearly on September 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM

There is no provision for secession in the Constitution. So the answer to your question is yes. On the other hand, they did bother to put in this little tidbit, in Article III:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them…

By which provision every rebellious Southerner could have been convicted of treason and hanged.

If the Southern states wanted to secede, they could have tried to get it passed legislatively, or via Constitutional amendment, but they did not. They chose treason. And let’s not forget that they adopted this evil course of action in defense of an indefensible, immoral and unsustainable institution, slavery.

Lincoln merely defended the Union and the Constitution against this unprecedented treasonous rebellion.

HTL on September 10, 2012 at 11:40 PM

They’ll make him gay.

[Blake on September 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM]

Worse. They’re going to sell Lincoln as a closet Democrat.

Dusty on September 11, 2012 at 2:14 AM

I have my doubts about this movie.

Britney Spears is playing Mary Todd.

hepcat on September 11, 2012 at 2:48 AM

God Bless John Wilkes Booth. The tyrant Lincoln can burn in Hell. If the “union” is not voluntary, there is no freedom. Spielberg can shove this garbage.

jubalearly on September 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Well now. The bar for being banned at Hot Air just got raised quite a bit. Invoking a blessing from God to an presidential assassin… Sic Semper Tyrannis, indeed. Way to go. Do me a favor. When we pass on the street, give me a wide berth.

Despicable.

I have my doubts about this movie.

Britney Spears is playing Mary Todd.

hepcat on September 11, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Mrs. Lincoln was widely reported to be a beer short of a six-pack, a brick shy of a load, you know… clinically insane. Not that I blame her given what she endured in her life, indeed, she went completely off the rails after the assassination.

So casting Spears is just perfect. What says insanity better that giving yourself a haircut, if you’ll recall?

turfmann on September 11, 2012 at 5:48 AM

If it wasn’t for the fact that many of Lincoln’s speeches, as well as other leader’s words from our past, have been written in stone across this nation, our current generation would have already rewritten what they said.

JellyToast on September 11, 2012 at 6:19 AM

I wonder if they will tell about the colonization efforts that Lincoln wanted to do to the black people when the war was over?

fwm299 on September 11, 2012 at 7:13 AM

The majority of Spielberg’s work is cheap schmaltz.

I wish another director had made this..

bluegill on September 11, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Lincoln will tell a black soldier, “Someday a black man will be President.”

And the soldier will say, “I hope so, and I hope he’s given more than one term to make this nation we’re fighting for a better place.”

Bishop on September 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Lincoln: I hope so too, Private Soetero. I hope so too.

SagebrushPuppet on September 11, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Lincoln will tell a black soldier, “Someday a black man will be President.”

And the soldier will say, “I hope so, and I hope he’s given more than one term to make this nation we’re fighting for a better place.”

Bishop on September 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Hahaha. You know it. Good call.

bluegill on September 11, 2012 at 7:59 AM

Too bad Rex Hamilton wasn’t available.

SagebrushPuppet on September 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM

Let’s try again. Rex Hamilton’s finest work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm_t3g4RhpY#

SagebrushPuppet on September 11, 2012 at 8:01 AM

I’m sorry, but Lincoln is overrated. All presidents are overrated. Won’t be seeing it.

rickv404 on September 11, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Lincoln was a tyrant.

Dante on September 11, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Abraham Lincoln, 4th debate:

While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men.

NPS Lincoln Dougals debates

Dante on September 11, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Spielberg = ultra-liberal rewriting of history + crappy computer animation. AND – the voice? Uh, way too soft and wimpy – AND – I hear no accent at all – is this really how Day Lewis sounds in the movie? Looks weak and lame. Pass.

Pork-Chop on September 11, 2012 at 8:28 AM

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say, in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)
Lincoln and Douglas fourth joint debate
Charleston, September 18, 1858

Archivarix on September 11, 2012 at 8:30 AM

LOL, Dante – I was about to paste the very same quote. :)

Archivarix on September 11, 2012 at 8:31 AM

Arrgh… thank you moderators…

Archivarix on September 11, 2012 at 8:39 AM

I was watching a black historian & author relate how black people don’t worship Lincoln at all. White people in this country do.
African Americans do not.
Gee, why do yall think that is?
TXUS made some very good points.
I have always been very critical of Lincoln. He used the slavery issue to CONTROL the wayward petulant slave states.
Yes, they were a pain in the a$$.
Thomas Jefferson found that to be true decades earlier when he fought to end slavery in VA, & found he could not.
This treasonous crap HTL is talking about is silly. The states wanted to secede. And they had every right to do so. We all know slavery is wrong.
But that isn’t the point.
Abolitionists were picking up speed. Slavery was on its way out. I know, MO, new territory being designated as slave states, blah blah blah.
Folks, slavery would not have survived. The South eventually would have had to end it. And they really already were. Slaves don’t make good laborers.
And slavery had been undercutting poor southern white laborers.
Criticizing Lincoln on his blatant power grab seems to always get some people’s panties in a wad.
And I cannot figure out why. Perhaps they are worried about being politically correct.
The Civil War was about the rights of the states to be sovereign entities. Slavery was not the key issue there.
I agree with TXUS.
And no HTL, TXUS is not a stupid man.
And BTW, I have both Yank & Southern roots.
I can see both sides of the issue.

Badger40 on September 11, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Lincoln was a racist. His opposition of slavery in westward states and territories was not out of any abolitionist streak (he was no abolitionist), but instead because he didn’t want the black man to take jobs away from the white man. Lincoln favored emigrating all blacks to the British colonies.

Dante on September 11, 2012 at 9:04 AM

For a look at the backstory of the Civil War you all should read “Statesmen of the Lost Cause” by Burton J. Hendrick. The book tells the little noticed story of the Confederacy’s civilian government.

Hendrick’s thesis is that the political ambition of some very incompatent men allowed Lincoln to be elected and drove the South to secede. Then these same men so mismanaged the Confederacy, that the South’s initial military advantage was lost.

This is very eye-opening reading. The South could have won the war, which would have had profound effect upon the US today.

bartbeast on September 11, 2012 at 10:11 AM

They’ll make him gay.

Blake on September 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

The GLBT are currently trying to rewrite the history books now to reflect that. Lincoln shared a bed with other men before he was married to Martha. In particular, it was documented Lincoln shared a bed with a Union Captain. During those harsh times (winters), it was not uncommon for men to share the same bed to keep warm. But of course the gay community wants to twist this event to fit their agenda.

Cherokee on September 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM

That’s not Daniel Day-Lewis’s voice. Lincoln doesn’t speak.

Jim Treacher on September 11, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Archivarix on September 11, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Lincoln was very much a product of his time with respect to his opinion of blacks.

However, that being said I find it extremely interesting that you cut off your quote there and decided not to include the very next lines Lincoln spoke:

I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes.

One can perhaps forgive Lincoln for being a product of his time (and to complete the record his opinion about blacks steadily moderated throughout his life, esp. during the Civil War.)

So much for Lincoln. What’s YOUR excuse for being a miserable hack?

PackerBronco on September 11, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Criticizing Lincoln on his blatant power grab

Badger40 on September 11, 2012 at 8:55 AM

The Southern states began seceding prior to Lincoln even taking office.

So what blatant power grab is he guilty of?

Winning an election?

PackerBronco on September 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Lincoln was a racist. His opposition of slavery in westward states and territories was not out of any abolitionist streak (he was no abolitionist), but instead because he didn’t want the black man to take jobs away from the white man. Lincoln favored emigrating all blacks to the British colonies.

Dante on September 11, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Lincoln opposed slavery but he was also practical. He knew that there was nothing that could be done about slavery w/in the states that supported it. In that sense he was not an abolitionist who might believe that the government should enforce a ban on slavery everywhere.

He was an abolitionist to the extent that he opposed slavery and wanted to keep it from spreading unhindered into the territories.

Regarding the emigration option: Lincoln has serious reservations about whether the cultural and social institutions of the country could survive a large influx of freed blacks. He was not alone in that worry. To that end, he speculated that it may actually be cheaper to emigrate blacks back to Africa. It certainly would have been cheaper than fighting a long Civil War.

It was certainly a wrong-headed notion because blacks had, quite rightly, now regarded America as their home and had no intention of being uprooted and sent to a strange country in which they had no ties other than skin color. Moreover you don’t deal with a social problem by removing the innocent party.

However it is a gross injustice to claim that the emigration option was borne out of racial malice. It wasn’t.

PackerBronco on September 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I knew that Lincoln had a touch of Kentucky twang, but it’s still jarring to hear it here

AP,

That is not Kentucky twang. Take it from a native. That accent sounds like it belongs in Gone With the Wind.

LtBarnwell02 on September 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

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