Laura Ingraham: If the GOP can’t beat Obama in this economy, shut down the party

posted at 8:05 pm on September 10, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via the Daily Caller, here’s her restatement of the question on everyone’s mind. You could make the same point this way: Just how high would unemployment have to be to make this an easy win for Romney and the GOP? Ten percent? Higher? Or, paradoxically, would higher unemployment rates somehow further absolve Bambi of culpability? A million variables inform a voter’s choice but there must be some hypothetical degree of economic lethargy that would make a qualified challenger — and Romney is qualified, whatever else you think of him — a prohibitive favorite. How much pain are voters willing to suffer before turning the dial?

I think Peter Beinart makes a good point about the degrees of pain here being relative:

Mitt Romney is not a great candidate; Barack Obama is a better one. But without the Bush legacy, Romney would be leading this race. His problem is that except among staunch conservatives, Bush has so hurt the GOP’s brand that Romney doesn’t look like the fresh economic fix-it man that Republicans want to portray him as. Instead, it’s all too easy for Democrats to paint him as George W. Bush the 3rd, just as they painted John McCain as George W. Bush the 2nd…

Romney’s problem is that like Dewey in 1948 or Dukakis in 1988, his personal brand is weak. To win the primaries and gin up core conservative support, he has amputated those parts of his political persona that might have allowed him to come across as something other than a generic Republican. And unfortunately for him, when Americans think of a generic Republican today, they still think of George W. Bush.

Yeah, again, the convention was supposed to solve this problem to some extent, but “humanizing” Romney doesn’t really distinguish him from Bush. Bush was plenty capable of personal warmth, so much so that I think it’s one of the reasons his favorable numbers have rebounded to respectable levels as quickly as they have. The boldest move Romney’s made to distinguish himself from Dubya was to put Ryan on the ticket and symbolically renounce the profligate ways of the GOP’s not-too-distant past, but even that’s not a total break from Bush. Ryan voted for Bush’s and Paulson’s bank bailout when the financial crisis hit, and Dubya himself made a halting attempt at entitlement reform when he pushed private Social Security accounts at the start of his second term. In fact, the whole thrust of Romney’s and Ryan’s Medicare rhetoric since the ticket was set is that they’re fighting to preserve the basic framework of the welfare state but reforming it so that it’s fiscally sustainable. That’s a smart way to blunt Mediscaring attacks, but it’s not some sort of dramatic libertarian break with “compassionate conservatism.”

Meanwhile, on foreign policy, Romney’s trying to out-tough Obama on Iran while talking tough on both Russia and China, which arguably frames him as even more hawkish and muscular than the (in)famously hawkish and muscular Bush. Like Beinart says, the Romney brand just isn’t very distinct — except for RomneyCare, which is problematic in many ways — so a lot of swing voters may simply be defaulting to Dubya as a model for what Romney would deliver. And when the choice is framed that way, between a guy whose presidency saw the financial crisis detonate and a guy who’s done terribly in trying to recover economically from it, it’s no slam dunk.


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Hey RINOs, if Romney doesn’t win, Palin will be measuring the drapes in 2016.

hahahahahaha

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Stop supporting non-conservative candidates. Simple enough for ya?

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:32 PM

That time has passed this go around. The voters chose Mitt Romney (he was not my choice).

How is that for simple? The goal is to remove the Communist from the White House. Period.The.End.

JPeterman on September 10, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Stop supporting non-conservative candidates. Simple enough for ya?

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Maybe a bit too simple.

Stay home, don’t vote?

Vote for candidate X?

Pick you nose and eat it?

Vote for Obama?

Insurrection?

Be a little more specific.

I don’t read all of your comments here, so I don’t know what your position is.

jaime on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Anybody But Obama and everything else is secondary at this point.

Maybe Romney’s surrogates need to remind the country of the old saying “Fool me one, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you.”

obladioblada on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Laura Ingrahm was on for O’Reilly last week predicting a big bump for Romney based on the AbortionPalooza the DNC staged in Charlotte. I wonder what Laura thinks Romney did to screw up her sure fire bounce.

She has been one of the biggest and loudest bed wetters this election and frankly she is wearing thinner than #P2 spin on twitter.

msmveritas on September 10, 2012 at 8:31 PM

…but then during the primary she would positively gush for Governor Romney. I don’t get that.

slickwillie2001 on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Have at it. Going back to rarely commenting. Not worth it.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:31 PM

…you’re not the type to give up… let alone quit…so let’s not hear that kind of g@M*#AM%& krap!
(:->)….you better hang-around mister!

KOOLAID2 on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I dunno about his… Mine is let the people suffer another two years of socialism, let them get it out of their system, and hope the hard times, the REAL hard times to come brings forward the old American spirit.

it either appears now, or it will never ever happen later.

astonerii on September 10, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I dare you to walk into a small business in your neighborhood and tell the owner your philosophy here. Better yet, gather his or her employees and tell them how you envision the next two years.

salem on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Maybe this is a coordinated effort by the Right-o-sphere to fire up the base? It’s the only explanation for all the bed-wetting, panty-twisting, hand-wringing goofiness.

SouthernGent on September 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Good riddance to the GOP, they’re a bunch of generational thieves, crony elites and vote rigging cheats!

FloatingRock on September 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I’m not that impressed with Laura Ingraham. You can, (and Rush and a lot of others do) cry about “true conservatives” and now ” shutting down the party”.

BettyRuth on September 10, 2012 at 8:13 PM

She is trying to be a bigger blow-hard the Bill O’Reilly. YShe make big, controversial statements, and seeks to elevate herself among the talk radio hoard with self-important stance.

bayview on September 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM

…you’re not the type to give up… let alone quit…so let’s not hear that kind of g@M*#AM%& krap!
(:->)….you better hang-around mister!

KOOLAID2 on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I second that. MadCon makes threads interesting to read.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Watching tonight’s NFL game reminded me that Obama is the Marvin Lewis of politics.. or vice versa.

Both disasters in their field who continually get a pass because… Um.

kevinkristy on September 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM

i’m sorry, i must not have gotten the message that election day was moved to tomorrow.

oh wait, it wasn’t. there is plenty of time for romney to make a comeback. all this worrying i am seeing on various conservative sites is just what the dems and msm (but i repeat myself) want.

Sachiko on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I dare you to walk into a small business in your neighborhood and tell the owner your philosophy here. Better yet, gather his or her employees and tell them how you envision the next two years.

salem on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I tell them every time politics comes up. Some have come to see my side and have decided not to vote for president this year. Have a lovely campaign season.

astonerii on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

jaime on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Given that yesterday, Romney said that, among other things, he would continue to force health insurance companies to give coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, I’m back to staying home. I didn’t think he’d sink this low, but it appears he has, and he’s taking poll numbers with him.

The American people want a conservative. The GOP has failed to give it to them. Hence, the “most electable” candidate is lagging behind the biggest loser to hold the White House EVER.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

it’s not about romney. it’s about beating obama. so all u guys want to p & m that r’s not man enough. well neither a u then. just turn out and go vote for him because he’s our last hope to turn this country around.

gracie on September 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Anybody But Obama and everything else is secondary at this point.

obladioblada on September 10, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Obama is just a small part of what created the mess and getting rid of him won’t change anything, unless he is replaced by someone who doesn’t believe in the things that brought us to this point.

That someone isn’t Mitt Romney.

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

One just wished death on me because I’m pointing out the fact that Romney is struggling to stay ahead of the worst president we’ve had in a century.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I, for one, acknowledge that Romney has quite a bit of work to do and is struggling. He’s not as Conservative as I want. However, I am voting for him anyway, warts and all because he’s infinitely better than the alternative. My problem isn’t that some people here are being honest in their opinions, but that they seem to be intentionally sowing dischord for their own selfish reasons.

A few of them think that a mythical ‘Conservative Re-awakening’ or something is going to happen if Obama’s re-elected. This is ridiculous. This election is our last chance. Conservatism will be reduced to the margins if Obama gets 4 more years to implement Socialist dependency.

Game over if we lose this one. It’s the most important election of our lifetimes and we’re all foolishly disemboweling ourselves right now.

Corporal Tunnel on September 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

JPeterman on September 10, 2012 at 8:29 PM
Hello friend. Have you noticed all the ABR’s from the primaries are here. Let’s offer them an adult beverage.

bluealice on September 10, 2012 at 8:32 PM

…I gotta pi-ss!…you gotta cup I can fill for them!

KOOLAID2 on September 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

that’s the way it is. tough. go vote for Romney and stop moaning that u been done wrong mad con.

gracie on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

The overarching question that Romney seemingly won’t answer, even theoretically? What would he do? If he’s the “qualified” person to come in and fix this mess, tell us how you’d do it? Or at least how you’d go about it. Oh, other than repeal Obamacare (except only sort of, not really).

They brought Mitt Romney in to save a bankrupt Olympics (which I’m still stunned to seldom hear the campaign mention). Why? Why him? And what did he do to turn that disaster around? Talk about it. It’s experience. Specific, hands on troubleshooting of a financially troubled enterprise. Duh. Why is he good at these things?

And turn the Bain thing around on Obama.

“You want to accuse me of taking over troubled companies, eliminating inefficiency, shaping them up and, in the vast majority of cases, returning them to solvency, fine. I plead guilty. And that’s exactly what Paul Ryan and I will do in office. The federal government is an organization. A corporation is an organization. Neither one exists in a vacuum, apart from the people who run them. A bureaucracy has an interest in entrenching and growing. So can a management team, or a labor force, if it’s not exposed to the free market. If there’s no one there to say no, we’re not going to do that. Remember two promises, among the dozens of IOU’s Barack Obama tossed out like candy from a parade float to get elected? He would cut the deficit in half, practically overnight. And he would go through the federal budget line-by-line to eliminate waste. Not only has he not gone through the budget line by line, he’s shown less budget knowledge than almost anyone in Washington. He’s proposed two budgets to the Congress, two, which have not received a single vote, not one, from his own party. He’s 0 for 4, as in 0 for 4 years on the federal budget. And, in the same 4 years, he’s blown up the federal deficit, and now tells us he’s just getting started? He needs more time to finish the job? Well, you know what? Those promises – at least those two – were good promises. The problem is, you have to deliver on them. Paul Ryan and I will, I guarantee you, go through the federal budget, with our budget experts – not line by line with an oil lamp and eye shades – that’s just a silly notion designed to get a vote. We’ll do it the way any competent executive – or President – would. If that person actually meant what they said in the first place. President Obama said he’d do it. He didn’t. We will.”

I mean, really, what does it take to go after the total mess that’s sitting in the White House checking out tee times?

The truth is, Barack Obama wasn’t close to qualified for the job in 2008 and he’s still not qualified for the job, even after four years in the job. It’s absurd that the Romney campaign continues to treat the man as if he’s what he pretends to be. Clint got it right. He’s a hoax perpetuated on the American people.

Call him out and stop being so damned country club about it.

IndieDogg on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Why don’t you just grow the h*ll up?

Resorting to whining? Really?

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Don’t take it personally. Mad Con’s just one of those crotchety cantankerous old farts. You know — one of those pissed off old dudes who’s perpetually angry no matter what. There’s no way to get around it either. He can cuss and curse people on Hot Air all day long every day for months and months on end and nothing will come of it.

He writes up some gobbledygook for the HotGas Green Room once in a great while. So — you know — friends in high places and all that stuff.

FlatFoot on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

OK wow guys. Even I’m like….walk back from the ledge. Might I remind you that this summer, when it started to look like Romney was gaining we on the left didn’t get scared. We got angry, we started organizing, we made Todd Akin a national story for far longer than he needed to be. We spent the entire RNC posting fact checks of speeches, pointing out the jacked up racial demographics of the convention. We pointed out that there were no actual policy prescriptions, we started to fight. Not bemoan that we were going to lose. My God people,WOMAN UP. I want Obama to win, but this dispirited crap is a drag to read. Where’s the feisty-ness?

libfreeordie on September 10, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It’s a sad, sad, day when Republicans need a pep talk from libfreeordie. But here we are.

Night Owl on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

nathor on September 10, 2012 at 8:27 PM

IS that you, Nathor?

Barred on September 10, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I tell them every time politics comes up. Some have come to see my side and have decided not to vote for president this year. Have a lovely campaign season.

astonerii on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

That and those Obama bumper sticker they see on your vehicle?

I am tired of sitting home. I will actively vote Obama and get my family to join me if the nominee is Romney. While it would be nice to get a better job between 2013 and 2017, I am willing to wait.

astonerii on January 30, 2012 at 2:52 PM

JPeterman on September 10, 2012 at 8:46 PM

That someone isn’t Mitt Romney.

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Well, if we don’t vote for him, it’s certain death with obama.

Personally, just slow it down until I’m dead. Then the Bayams can have the place – I have no chirrun.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Good riddance to the GOP, they’re a bunch of generational thieves, crony elites and vote rigging cheats!

FloatingRock on September 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM

…OH Bedbugs Howard Johnson!!!….Pull my finger!

KOOLAID2 on September 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM

FlatFoot on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Yeah, you really have to be a crotchety, cantankerous old fart to get annoyed at someone wishing death on you because you don’t like their political candidate.

And I’m probably younger than you, by the way.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:48 PM

It’s a sad, sad, day when Republicans need a pep talk from libfreeordie. But here we are.

Night Owl on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Indeed.

changer1701 on September 10, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Romney doesn’t look like the fresh economic fix-it man that Republicans want to portray him as. Instead, it’s all too easy for Democrats to paint him as George W. Bush the 3rd

Because he’s not fresh. Because he is “George W. Bush the 3rd.”

Tax cuts for the ruling class and less regulation? Whether or not you believe it, it’s the same old stale scheiss that the GOP has been peddling for decades.

urban elitist on September 10, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I want Obama to win, but this dispirited crap is a drag to read. Where’s the feisty-ness?

libfreeordie on September 10, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It was a right wing trick to get the trolls to leave.

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

When is the last time a truly conservative President has been seen in action?

Yeah, it was that fellow in the 1980s.

No wonder the conservative brand is tarnished. A President like George W. Bush is forever portrayed by the narrative as a conservative, but domestically he was anything but. The conservative label gets blamed (as it did with his father, another very decent man) for the failure of what are in fact liberal policies.

We had a Republican House, Senate, and White House for the first time in about fifty years, and the opportunity was p—ed away.

Reggie1971 on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Please don’t stay home! Remember the clip of Obama telling Medvedev that he will have more flexibility, presumably on US defense forces, after the election. This was a chilling statement.

Whatever else we can say about Romney, he will not destroy the physical safety of our citizens.

esr1951 on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

it’s not about romney. it’s about beating obama. so all u guys want to p & m that r’s not man enough. well neither a u then. just turn out and go vote for him because he’s our last hope to turn this country around.

gracie on September 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

No, no he is not. He is the man that can prevent any future turn around from ever getting started by making American’s believe that they can keep socialism going while still being fiscally viable until they die. We are already at the point of half the population being moochers, knowing they can vote money out of the pockets of others. Romney will push us well past that.

astonerii on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I tell them every time politics comes up. Some have come to see my side and have decided not to vote for president this year. Have a lovely campaign season.

astonerii on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Maybe one day when you own a business, you’ll understand the lunacy of your convictions.

salem on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

The American people want a conservative.

True

The GOP has failed to give it to them.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Mostly True

But politics is always about choosing the lesser of two evils. If you really think that they are both exactly equally bad, and you have no interest in your state or local government, then by all means, the correct action would be don’t waste your time and effort voting.

The very nature of government makes it repulsive to conservatives. Likewise politicians.

jaime on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Romney 2012. Just shut up and do it, you stupid whiny a**holes.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Pretty much. The alternative is letting Occidental college keep running the place.

The American people want a conservative. The GOP has failed to give it to them. Hence, the “most electable” candidate is lagging behind the biggest loser to hold the White House EVER.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

It’s a fact that the ridiculous racing to the middle always hurts the GOP, but it’s not like it’s a long walk. A good bit of the GOP isn’t conservative anyway. The only thing I’d actually argue with you about is the lagging behind part — I’m not sure much has changed. They’re pretty even.

Axe on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Denial: The polls are juiced.

Anger: Just STFU and get with the damn program.

Bargaining: OK, look, there’s 3 debates yet to come.

Depression: OMG, how the f*ck could Mittens lose to this chump.

Acceptance: Buying a shotgun, generator and lots of canned food.

Bruno Strozek on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

FlatFoot on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

MadCon is a young guy. In his 20s.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Just checked the Monday Night Football. Cincy 10, Bal 17 start of the 3rd.

bluefox on September 10, 2012 at 8:50 PM

This election is our last chance. Conservatism will be reduced to the margins if Obama gets 4 more years to implement Socialist dependency.

Corporal Tunnel on September 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

It was Romney who implemented socialist dependency in Massachusetts.

You want to ignore that bit its called Romneycare for a reason. His entire governorship was the encroachment of socialist dependency.

This election is the last chance to do what?

What do you think Romney is going to do with this chance?

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I gotta pi-ss!…you gotta cup I can fill for them!

KOOLAID2 on September 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

LOL Recycled KoolAid. No thanks..

bluealice on September 10, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Denial: The polls are juiced.

Anger: Just STFU and get with the damn program.

Bargaining: OK, look, there’s 3 debates yet to come.

Depression: OMG, how the f*ck could Mittens lose to this chump.

Acceptance: Buying a shotgun, generator and lots of canned food.

Bruno Strozek on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

hahahahahaha, nice.

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Obama is just a small part of what created the mess and getting rid of him won’t change anything, unless he is replaced by someone who doesn’t believe in the things that brought us to this point.

That someone isn’t Mitt Romney.

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

maybe not but we don’t have any other choice! voting romney is the only way to throw obama out. and obama really needs to be thrown out…

IndieDogg on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

romney needs you as an advisor =)

Sachiko on September 10, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The good thing about all these pathetic alarmist threads from Allah and generated from the Liberal press is that:

It’s quite easy to see just what posters are lacking in intelligence and backbone. I mean these “true cons”/Obama trolls ( can’t tell the difference) are an odd bunch. They claim to hate the msm but are only too willing to buy into these false narratives. It’s almost like they hope they’re true…

PS: It was at worst tied last week before Obama’s underwhelming speech, abortionfilled convention and horrible job numbers. It’s now 3 days later and I’m supposed to think a sea change for O has occured when even cooked polls show he got no bounce in the swing states? Yeah, fat F’ing chance.

jaygatz33 on September 10, 2012 at 8:51 PM

It’s a sad, sad, day when Republicans need a pep talk from libfreeordie. But here we are.

Night Owl on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Heh. Nice catch.

Thanks, libdie.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 8:51 PM

But politics is always about choosing the lesser of two evils. If you really think that they are both exactly equally bad, and you have no interest in your state or local government, then by all means, the correct action would be don’t waste your time and effort voting.

The very nature of government makes it repulsive to conservatives. Likewise politicians.

jaime on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Agreed. However, when I say “staying home”, it’s a euphemism. Obviously, I’ll be voting, but I will probably not be checking Romney’s name on the ballot(and probably not Tommy Thompson, either…he f**ked up Wisconsin enough). I don’t really want to vote for Johnson, either. Might vote for Nicholas Cage. Makes the most sense.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:52 PM

OK wow guys. Even I’m like….walk back from the ledge. Might I remind you that this summer, when it started to look like Romney was gaining we on the left didn’t get scared. We got angry, we started organizing, we made Todd Akin a national story for far longer than he needed to be. We spent the entire RNC posting fact checks of speeches, pointing out the jacked up racial demographics of the convention. We pointed out that there were no actual policy prescriptions, we started to fight. Not bemoan that we were going to lose. My God people,WOMAN UP. I want Obama to win, but this dispirited crap is a drag to read. Where’s the feisty-ness?

libfreeordie on September 10, 2012 at 8:13 PM

All right. Where’s face-palm Picard? This is a face-palm Picard moment.

Axe on September 10, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Denial: The polls are juiced.

Anger: Just STFU and get with the damn program.

Bargaining: OK, look, there’s 3 debates yet to come.

Depression: OMG, how the f*ck could Mittens lose to this chump.

Acceptance: Buying a shotgun, generator and lots of canned food.

Bruno Strozek on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Bulls-f**king-eye.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:53 PM

OK wow guys. Even I’m like….walk back from the ledge. Might I remind you that this summer, when it started to look like Romney was gaining we on the left didn’t get scared. We got angry, we started organizing, we made Todd Akin a national story for far longer than he needed to be. We spent the entire RNC posting fact checks of speeches, pointing out the jacked up racial demographics of the convention. We pointed out that there were no actual policy prescriptions, we started to fight. Not bemoan that we were going to lose. My God people,WOMAN UP. I want Obama to win, but this dispirited crap is a drag to read. Where’s the feisty-ness?

libfreeordie on September 10, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It’s a sad, sad, day when Republicans need a pep talk from libfreeordie. But here we are.

Night Owl on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Odd, but sadly true…..

jimver on September 10, 2012 at 8:53 PM

What do you think Romney is going to do with this chance?

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 8:50 PM

If obama wins, it’s game over. We have one chance before it becomes entrenched.

We have zero chance with zero of getting rid of it, unless we have 66 Senators.

We have a better than zero chance of getting rid of it with Rmoney.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Meh.

Whatever.

The GOP’s not going anydamnwhere just because Barack Hussein Obama is reelected.

Let’s all just go for it. Let’s be France, or Spain, or Greece, or Germany, or etc ad nauseam.

It’s obviously what most Americans want.

This is Democracy in action.

Majority rules.

Take it or leave it.

FlatFoot on September 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

FlatFoot on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Hello, Flatfoot. How are you this evening?

I really don’t care what the his problems are or who he knows.

I’m sick and tired of this nonsense from guys like him, badgering the rest of the posters constantly.

The nominee has been duly chosen and confirmed. There’s nothing else to be done at this point except vote for one of the two candidates for President.

Haranguing people to conform to his ideology, or join in his particular brand of misery, isn’t going to do a thing except irritate people.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

She’s wrong on many levels.

While the economy is in terrible shape, it started at the end of the second term of a Republican President. So Obama has been able to shift the blame to George W Bush.

Incumbent Presidents lose rarely, especially when they’re not following other Presidents from their party. In the last one hundred years, there has only been one time that a party was kicked out of the White House after just one term: Jimmy Carter in 1980.

Romney also isn’t helped by some terrible Republican candidates supported by people like Ingraham.

Mister Mets on September 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

IS that you, Nathor?

Barred on September 10, 2012 at 8:46 PM

what i said that was so surprising?

nathor on September 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Well, if we don’t vote for him, it’s certain death with obama.

Personally, just slow it down until I’m dead. Then the Bayams can have the place – I have no chirrun.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM

There isn’t always a silver lining behind a dark cloud. Sometimes what’s back there is much, much worse.” – Going full eeyore

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Ingraham is often the first one to squawk at signs of trouble, but she’s right this time. If Romney and his Mr. Fix It campaign can’t beat the worst president in U.S. history, then the GOP is history.

RedRedRice on September 10, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Adam Carolla needs to be Romney’s advisor. That was awesome.

faraway on September 10, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Seems like the usual suspects from the primaries have come out with a huge dose of I-told-you-so and the lib trolls are rolling in the aisles.

I don’t believe for one minute that these polls represent what’s going on. So, to the trolls: have your fun and enjoy it while it lasts. Especially those who did not vote in 1980.

Also, I love Laura Ingraham to death, but she’s absorbed too many BO’Reilly fumes while sitting in for him. She’s nothing more than a bookie in a skirt trying to amp the handle with a big spread. (No double entendre intended.)

Here is something (h/t Lanceman from another thread) that might put a different perspective on everything:

Panicked??? Are You Kidding Me???
Andrew Klavan · 3 hours ago

I’ve been out of the country for a week. I left and conservatives were holding a celebration that looked like the parade scene from Ferris Bueller. I come back and they’re re-enacting Jonestown. The post DNC polls, it seems, have convinced some of us that all is lost. Dudes! Have some freaking fortitude! Let me make three points (some of which I’ve developed after talking to an erstwhile political insider who will remain nameless).

1. The polls – and the news about the polls – are made by people who want to demoralize you. When you act demoralized, you are aiding and abetting the enemy and helping to spread their poison. They lie. We know they lie. And then we proceed to believe them. Don’t be doing that.

2. Even the best polls – Rasmussen’s – overestimate Democrat turnout and are not designed to take into account anomalies like 2010. Some say, “Well, they were pretty accurate in 2010.” But WHEN were they accurate? The answer: They turned quite suddenly accurate about ten minutes before the vote when even a blind man could look up and see the tsunami about to crash down on top of their heads. You wanna know how accurate September polling is? Take a look at this from Bloomberg. Not so much, kimosabe. Look closely at that Reagan-Carter poll too.

3. Romney and Obama are polling by the minute – far, far more often and more accurately than the professional pollsters. Which one of them looks frightened to you? Me too.

Hey, this is reality. Sometimes bad guys win and good guys lose. But to these increasingly ancient eyes, it looks as if we are on the march and they are in retreat. Is it time to despair? Not today, brothers and sisters. Not today.

The War Planner on September 10, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Maybe one day when you own a business, you’ll understand the lunacy of your convictions.

salem on September 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

You all should have thought of that before the end of the primaries. When businesses such as this blog, FNC and other companies went all whole hog in for my corporate welfare and creator of Romneycare Mitt Romney, shooting down Newt with malice aforethought.

I’ll get by, my family will do just fine, I’ll have a job or I will create wealth on my own land. I will be responsible and I will not be begging the government to put a gun to your head to pay my way, even when I am old. Dozens of generations did so long before the welfare state came into existence, long before efficiency in productions like we enjoy today.

But hey, the end of the world, the end of the world is going to happen today if Obama is reelected!

astonerii on September 10, 2012 at 8:56 PM

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Gee.. noticed how well you keep your word.. after stomping off in a whiny huff and all.

You need to practice your dramatic exits… or at least figure out what they are.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 8:57 PM

there has only been one time that a party was kicked out of the White House after just one term: Jimmy Carter in 1980.

Unless you Bush the Elder, Jerry Ford and LBJ…

Bruno Strozek on September 10, 2012 at 8:57 PM

This election should be fun for us. We’ve been waiting three plus years to clean this clown’s clock. We have a list of gross depredations and blunders a mile long. Romney and Ryan should wake up every morning, jump out of bed and slap their hands together in anticipatory glee to how their going to tap dance on Obama’s head that day.

Instead they’re campaigning like a couple of constipated diplomatic attaches.

rrpjr on September 10, 2012 at 8:57 PM

The War Planner on September 10, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Well said, War Planner.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

If you don’t like Romney as the nominee, there is one group to blame: the Iowa Ames Straw Poll voters from 2011.

They’re the ones who decided Michelle Bachmann would be a better President than Tim Pawlenty.

As a result, Tim Pawlenty, the most viable conservative alternative to Romney, had to end his campaign.

The only alternatives were horribly flawed. Michelle Bachmann was a shameless liar or far too careless to be President. Rick Perry was too ignorant. Rick Santorum was an angry extremist. Herman Cain lacked the resume. And Newt Gingrich had left public office in disgrace.

Mister Mets on September 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Can anyone just relax and understand other candidates have been in WORSE positions in the past at this time in their campaigns, only to come up and win?

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

To win the primaries and gin up core conservative support, he has amputated those parts of his political persona that might have allowed him to come across as something other than a generic Republican.

He amputated nothing except his softness on immigration. Which was the most stupid and unbelievable thing that he could have done (though some here believed him – how, I will never know).

besser tot als rot on September 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Wish death on me again if you like, liberal swine.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM

“There isn’t always a silver lining behind a dark cloud. Sometimes what’s back there is much, much worse.” – Going full eeyore

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Meh. I can’t get too worked up over what hasn’t happened yet.

At this point, it’s a game. Just get rid of obama.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Grow up. You’re as thin skinned as any liberal I’ve ever seen and doing about as much good these days, too.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM

The fact that conservatives suffer any form of socialism, even social-lite, is beyond me. I don’t see myself living in a country, co-habitating with leftists. You can’t compromise with a thief.

If Romney gets elected and only slows down the march to the left, it’s over. It is foolish to proclaim defeat before that. Even if you don’t want him as president, get obama out of office and begin evaluations. We all know what needs to happen over the next four years. If you don’t see it, the jig is up.

People scoffed at the notion of Texas seceding. I wasn’t one of them.

JAGonzo on September 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM

I’ll be staying home on Election day.

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

That someone isn’t Mitt Romney.

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

maybe not but we don’t have any other choice! voting romney is the only way to throw obama out. and obama really needs to be thrown out…

Sachiko on September 10, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Obama is just one man. He isn’t a Sith Lord.

Once you accept that, the scope of the problem expands, and trotting out someone like Romney who is just fine with most of what Obama believes is seen as the sad joke that it truly is.

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Given that yesterday, Romney said that, among other things, he would continue to force health insurance companies to give coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, I’m back to staying home. I didn’t think he’d sink this low, but it appears he has, and he’s taking poll numbers with him.

The American people want a conservative. The GOP has failed to give it to them. Hence, the “most electable” candidate is lagging behind the biggest loser to hold the White House EVER.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

MC, wake up, Congress will keep Romney from doing crazy sh!t, and he’s certainly no Obama who will do it all through EO’s if he’s elected. Plus, if you and others stay home, we get destruction of liberty, the economy and capitalism, worldwide, on short order. This is not an ordinary election that can be corrected 4 years from now, as never in our history have we had an enemy in the White House, an enemy that has done and can do far worse than Mitt Romney could ever fathom. These are the choices, not the ones I want, but it is what it is.

TXUS on September 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I’m not going anywhere near a voting booth on election day.

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Spark, say it ain’t so.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

I’ll be staying home on Election day.

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

So will I.

After I vote and go to work.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

that’s the way it is. tough. go vote for Romney and stop moaning that u been done wrong mad con.

gracie on September 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Yes, pull down your pants, bend over and vote for your new master, same as the old, MadisonConservative.

The American people want a conservative. The GOP has failed to give it to them. Hence, the “most electable” candidate is lagging behind the biggest loser to hold the White House EVER.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Don’t stay home! Unless virtually everybody stays home and boycotts this sham of an election it will be a meaningless gesture. If you vote for Gary Johnson, however, at least your protest against the status quo will be known. Vote against the D and R parties. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Gary, vote for the Constitution Party, whose candidate’s last name is Goode, I think.

There’s a good piece over at the Daily Paul website that I think deserves a wider audience because it applies to more than just Ron Paul supporters. Even if you don’t like Ron Paul, if you are dissatisfied with Obama and Romney then you may find some interest in this at least in part:

http://www.dailypaul.com/253801/will-defecting-from-the-gop-help-ron-pauls-supporters-take-it-over

FloatingRock on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

The War Planner on September 10, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Whew!! A voice of sanity.
Thanks for that.

bluealice on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Can anyone just relax and understand other candidates have been in WORSE positions in the past at this time in their campaigns, only to come up and win?

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

No…sounds entirely too rational and reasonable to apply to some of the handwringers here.

changer1701 on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Obama is just one man. He isn’t a Sith Lord.

sharrukin on September 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Neither was Lenin. Or Pol Pot. Or some mad regime.

Lanceman on September 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I’ll save lots of gas because I’m not going anywhere near a voting booth on election day.

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Majority rules.

Take it or leave it.

FlatFoot on September 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I don’t know what country you live in, but in the USA, we have a constitutional republic.

besser tot als rot on September 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

haha. Because I’m voting on an absentee ballot ahead of time.

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I’ll be staying home on Election day.

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

You’re ignorant.

The Supreme Court picks could be up for grabs.

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

All of you folks who want to threaten that you’ll sit this out, think about the Supreme Court nominations.

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

MC, dude, just go vote for the non-dogeater. When he err’s I’m right there with ya, screaming and hollering. Burning up phones.

But barky must go. Mussolini soetaro must leave office. We’ll work on getting a true Conservative next time. Hard as we can.

I get where you are coming from,, but I’m not really up for a civil war.

Not stocked up on .25cal.

wolly4321 on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Thank you, Spark.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

No…sounds entirely too rational and reasonable to apply to some of the handwringers here.

changer1701 on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Sky is falling!!!

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Spark, say it ain’t so.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Tricked ya. I’m voting on an absentee ballot so I will be staying home on election day. (:

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

All of you folks who want to threaten that you’ll sit this out, think about the Supreme Court nominations.

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Romney nominated progressives to the bench. Bush put Roberts on the bench. Thought about it. Not so totally worried much will change.

astonerii on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Think about obama’s tete-a-tete with Medvedev!

esr1951 on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Can anyone just relax and understand other candidates have been in WORSE positions in the past at this time in their campaigns, only to come up and win?

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

No…sounds entirely too rational and reasonable to apply to some of the handwringers here.

changer1701 on September 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Semi-mass hysteria :)….

jimver on September 10, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Grow up.

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Interesting. I invite you to repeat an earlier wish of death you made, and you refuse.

What a coward.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 9:05 PM

haha. Because I’m voting on an absentee ballot ahead of time.

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

lol phew!!!!

good

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 9:05 PM

it’s not about romney. it’s about beating obama. so all u guys want to p & m that r’s not man enough. well neither a u then. just turn out and go vote for him because he’s our last hope to turn this country around.

gracie on September 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Maybe this is why Romney’s not killing in the polls, even the skewed ones. All we got is, “Well, he’s not Obama.” Not terribly bold. Leadership? Conviction? …Anyone?

The problems in this country run much deeper than accountant’s percentages, and we don’t really have anyone to communicate that.

Dongemaharu on September 10, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Romney nominated progressives to the bench. Bush put Roberts on the bench. Thought about it. Not so totally worried much will change.

astonerii on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Dude at least we have a shot with Romney.

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 9:06 PM

We’ll work on getting a true Conservative next time. Hard as we can.

That’s what we said in 2008.

I get where you are coming from,, but I’m not really up for a civil war.

Not stocked up on .25cal.

wolly4321 on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

5.56 and .308 will do you just fine.

MadisonConservative on September 10, 2012 at 9:06 PM

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

You had me going there!:)

thatsafactjack on September 10, 2012 at 9:06 PM

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

You’re ignorant.

The Supreme Court picks could be up for grabs.

blatantblue on September 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Tricked ya. I’m voting on an absentee ballot so I will be staying home on election day. Mitt/Ryan 2012 R&R (:

SparkPlug on September 10, 2012 at 9:06 PM

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