Woodward book reveals Congressional staffer chewed out Obama over debt-limit preparation

posted at 3:31 pm on September 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Unlike most posts I write, I won’t have a lot to add to what Bob Woodward’s latest book, The Price of Politics, reveals about the behind-the-scenes struggle over the debt limit a little over a year ago.  Woodward’s book is being serialized in the Washington Post this week, and this weekend’s entry reveals how close we came in the game of Pennsylvania Avenue Chicken in July 2011.  One exchange, though, offers a very revealing look at Barack Obama — and support for an argument I’ve made ever since the stimulus flopped in 2009.

In a previous excerpt, Woodward related how Harry Reid and John Boehner had cut Obama out of the negotiations after a series of unacceptable demands and poor diplomacy with Congressional leaders.  Later, when Reid and Boehner reached a framework of an agreement, Reid had his chief of staff David Krone explain the deal, which included at the time a two-step debt limit increase — which Obama had adamantly refused to approve.  Obama angrily objected, which is when the Congressional staffer took the opportunity to chew out the President:

Reid began to lay out the two-step $2.7 -trillion debt limit extension, then stopped. He was not a details guy. “Well, let David just tell you what it is,” he said.

It was highly unusual for someone to pass the ball so completely to a staffer. The 44-year-old Krone outlined the plan, including a secret Republican pledge to count $1 trillion in savings from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan toward deficit reduction. That was surprising. Earlier, Boehner had not been willing to accept this accounting gimmick.

“I don’t trust these guys,” the president said dismissively.

Krone either would not or could not conceal his anger.

“Wait a second,” Obama said, interrupting someone else who was about to speak. “I can tell David has something else to say.”

“Mr. President, I am sorry — with all due respect — that we are in this situation that we’re in, but we got handed this football on Friday night. And I didn’t create this situation. The first thing that baffles me is, from my private-sector experience, the first rule that I’ve always been taught is to have a Plan B. And it is really disheartening that you, that this White House did not have a Plan B.”

Several jaws dropped as the Hill staffer blasted the president to his face.

This administration has never had a Plan B.  Obama has never run any organization of consequence, certainly not any in the private sector, where executives have to constantly adapt to changing conditions and prepare backup strategies in case projects fail.  Obama comes from Academia, where all of his policies work in theory, and so failure means insisting on sticking with the failed policies because they’ll eventually work.

That’s why Obama won’t produce a second-term agenda.  It’s the same failed policies as his first, because Obama never has a Plan B.  And that is disheartening indeed, as long as he’s in office.

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sandee on September 9, 2012 at 4:44 PM

It does appear the gals, I am one and proud of it, have Dittos!
We gals do have a ‘way’ of getting the guy to come around to our way of thinking, if you know what I mean?
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letget on September 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Mitt Romney is almost identical to Barack Obama.

He wins things will get a whole lot worse. Because at least now we have hope that some in the GOP might have a chance to get power and stop this destruction.

With Mitt that would evaporate. The Press would blame every single Obama mistake on Mitt. Mitt would follow the Obama Agenda on most things so this charge would even be true.

Mitt Romney only stands for the extreme left of the GOP. He is a Democrat 99%. Republican 1%.

Steveangell on September 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM

angryed called. Misses you.

Del Dolemonte on September 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

There is no logical argument that the GOP would be better of today had McCain won. Most likely the GOP would not even exist had McCain won.

Steveangell on September 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

To paraphrase another, my wayback machine is in the shop today.

I think the country would have been better off with McCain than with Obama. And perhaps the stress would have got him to retire and would have given us a tried, tested and proven VP Palin!

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

txhsmom on September 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Yes, check out HA headlines ‘photo of the day’.
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letget on September 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

SCOAMF has already lost 4 points in one day per Gallup.

Dead Cat Bounce.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Mitt Romney only stands for the extreme left of the GOP. He is a Democrat 99%. Republican 1%.

Steveangell on September 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM

You know this is HA right? That drivel belongs over at DUmmies.

D-fusit on September 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Mitt Romney is almost identical to Barack Obama.

He wins things will get a whole lot worse. Because at least now we have hope that some in the GOP might have a chance to get power and stop this destruction.

So if we lose, we’re better off? That sounds like Obamunist unicorn thinking to me. After eight years of Obama, we’d be better off than taking a different direction with Mitt? No way.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

And again, it’s that “it takes a Carter to get a Reagan” garbage on steroids. Not even logical at this point.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

letget on September 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

With brain bleach at the ready I shall venture forth…

txhsmom on September 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Friendly warning. Don’t even bother with that one, it’s a lost cause. Thinks we should let Obama win so he can be impeached.

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

To all of you sad sacks counting defeat and crying in your beverage, STFU. Find your spine and nut up! You can cry IF we lose, but not before. These polls and all the trolls whispering defeat are trying to sow despair and suppress the GOP turnout.

Jesus, what a bunch little girls.

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Thanks Flora. Something of a sociopath, I’d venture to guess. Probably thought Reagan was a lib.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Academics tend to assume away reality when formulating their little theories. Then they marvel at each other and give each other tenure. Most of the crap they’ve written in the past 50 years could be burned for fuel and the world would not be one iota worse off.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Glenn Beck had one on his show Friday.

This guy was a true genius in computers. He envisioned today back in 1990. I am a programmer and was in front of most in envisioning what the future would hold but not to nearly the degree this man was.

He knew these professors well. They are and always have been atheist with a real hatred of the bible and especially Christ. They truly live in their own worlds. They used to be contained by University Presidents and staff that were not academics but that changes from the late fifties till it was complete in the mid 60′s. Now the Academics are completely in charge. It used to be the Staff required grading be done based on unbiased facts. But now it is totally the whim of the professor.

They just know they are right. If you dare challenge them you flunk. If you dare point out that they do not prove their assumptions with real world examples you flunk and are completely destroyed. They do not care in the least what happens in the real world. They do not tolerate other professors that care about the real world they just fire them. It is nearly impossible to get a real world study published that contradicts their theories. It may be impossible for it to ever gain acceptance.

In their view their theories are right. If it does not work in the real world it is because it is not done right. Or because others compromise it on purpose. The theory is simply right.

Steveangell on September 9, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Mitt Romney is almost identical to Barack Obama.

Steveangell

The solution is obvious then….we have to elect Romney so we can impeach him.

xblade on September 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

One thing I’ve noticed is that it is mostly men who are running around with their hair on fire shreiking, “it’s over, we’re doomed!”

It’s the women are resolutely stating, “like hell we are.”

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 4:26 PM

I’m not always sure who the men and women are here, but I sure wish all those that find it necessary to pi$$ and moan about every little bump in the road would stay the hell out of the way right now and just go vote in November. If you can’t do or say something constructive then at least stop trying to demoralize everyone else because it’s never going to work…you can be sure of that. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ what any poll says between now and election day. There are plenty of us that are out here working to get Romney into the Oval Office and will continue to do so until November 6th. If you can’t volunteer to work for our candidate…that’s fine…but stop telling those that are doing, that it can’t be done….because it will.

lynncgb on September 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Obama comes from Academia, where all of his policies work in theory, and so failure means insisting on sticking with the failed policies because they’ll eventually work.
posted at 3:31 pm on September 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Obama never outgrew academia from the mindset of a student.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Obama has no Plan B because he gave his all away to Sandra Fluke.

steebo77 on September 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM

If a thread winner has not yet been declared, this is it.

cheetah2 on September 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Jesus, what a bunch little girls.

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

It seems like the women here are the ones with the courage for this fight.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Steveangell on September 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM

You anti-Mitts would have no meaning to your lives if not for Mitt. You should kiss his ring. Sheesh.

CW on September 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

SCOAMF has already lost 4 points in one day per Gallup.

Dead Cat Bounce.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

*snicker*….Dukakis led by 17 after his convention & Carter was ahead of Reagan into October.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

why would they have a plan B? they Won…..

/victories.

ted c on September 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Then it’s surprising to realize how Obama policies arrested the nation’s economy freefall and stopped the nation from spiralling into a deflationary balance sheet recession.

bayam

Yes, it would be surprising to realize something that didn’t happen, lol.

xblade on September 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM

It seems like the women here are the ones with the courage for this fight.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Yep, most of the conservative babes have more sack than the hand wringing Nellies preaching doom. The can put together a ‘bullet list’ of Obama failures, and talk to their wobbly friends and family. Also, take the wobblers to see Dinesh D’Souzas 2016.

I’ve taken nearly a dozen people so far, it has an impact. However, do NOT waste time with the Lefty formers and droolers.

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Hiring and job creation will retract if the business community senses another 4 years of community organizer extraordinaire. You will begin to see hospitals, clinics, durable medical equipment providers shed jobs in anticipation of the onlsaught of socialized medicine.

Let the SCOAMF bask in Bill Clinton’s glory. It will fade faster than a Charlie Crist spray on tan.

Remember what Rush said: They will do their best to demoralize us. Watch tomorrow for PPP polling, and remember that PPP is owned by SEIU and the Daily Kos.

Cheers

Key West Reader on September 9, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Mitt Romney is almost identical to Barack Obama.

He wins things will get a whole lot worse. Because at least now we have hope that some in the GOP might have a chance to get power and stop this destruction.

With Mitt that would evaporate. The Press would blame every single Obama mistake on Mitt. Mitt would follow the Obama Agenda on most things so this charge would even be true.

Mitt Romney only stands for the extreme left of the GOP. He is a Democrat 99%. Republican 1%.

Steveangell on September 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM

~~~~~

This is ridiculous. The R’s will get blamed NO MATTER WHAT. Romney wins, Obama wins, no matter…some republican, somewhere, is at fault for all the ills of the country. That’s a stupid excuse to use to try to get people to not vote for Romney…try again.

ellifint on September 9, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Obama thinks he is better at everything than everyone else. So of course he thinks he is a better negotiator than anyone else, able to know exactly how the other side will react and what they will do, say, and offer every step of the way. Hence, he saw no need to have a Plan B.

This is practically textbook narcissistic arrogance.

farsighted on September 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

How many more crappy candidates should we allow the RNC to force upon us before “vote for him because the lib is Satan” stops becoming reason enough to vote for the RNC piece of crap candidate.

Thanks in advance for your considered reply.

Midas

The RNC hasn’t forced anyone on you. There were multiple candidates to choose from, and none of them were forced to run by the RNC. Like it or not(and I don’t), primary voters chose Romney, and they weren’t forced to do it.

If you want better candidates, encourage better candidates to run. Until that happens, we’re stuck with what we’re stuck with.

xblade on September 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

ellifint on September 9, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Exactly. And besides if you impeach the bamster, you get President Biden. Not exactly a stroke of genius, IMO.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Obama is an unmitigated disaster and the US economy is in the toilet.

So, why is this tool ahead in the polls and why are Americans voting for a re-run of the first 4 horrendous years?

I would suggest that Romney find some charisma soon, because this election is his to lose.

Sparky5253 on September 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Boy, you are not kidding…..I *almost* think that there is some sort of thing going on that is bigger than we can comprehend, the rest makes NO sense at all. I mean are people blind, deaf, dumb AND stupid? Really?

redlucy on September 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I can’t believe we are going to lose against this guy, it’s the end of the GOP

Conservative4ev on September 9, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Step away from the TV and the newspapers, meaning all the mainstream media operations. Do not believe anything they say, no matter how “reasonable” it seems to sound. Use your intuition and your eyes and ears to observe what is going on in your own community and see how it squares with what the MSM is blathering, or not. Chances are, what they report and what is actually happening are 180 degrees apart.

And above all, DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

As for the end of the GOP, I doubt that will happen immediately. It will happen, though, as the RINOS get purged over several election cycles and are replaced by conservatives.

It’s the women are resolutely stating, “like hell we are.”

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 4:26 PM

^^^This should be on a bumper sticker and t-shirt.

PatriotGal2257 on September 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

And I don’t think “the lesser of the two evils” is so very dreadful a reason, when the greater evil is Obama.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM

So your answer is that the RNC can continue to shove crappy candidates at us for eternity and be assured that you’ll vote for them no matter what.

Got it. I’m sure they continue to be quite confident of that, actually – which entirely explains why we keep getting the crappy candidates we get.

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM

The RNC hasn’t forced anyone on you. There were multiple candidates to choose from, and none of them were forced to run by the RNC. Like it or not(and I don’t), primary voters chose Romney, and they weren’t forced to do it.

If you want better candidates, encourage better candidates to run. Until that happens, we’re stuck with what we’re stuck with.

xblade on September 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Um, check that primary calendar again, champ, and tell me at which point Romney had it sown up. I’ll tell you that it was quite awhile before MOST of us had a say in who that candidate was.

*I* didn’t get a choice; YES, he was ‘forced’ upon me.

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

But gee, I thought his advisors were supposed to be so smart. For real, the brilliant strategist David Axelrod, the campaign manager David Plouffe, and of course Valerie Jarrett. All of them gifted with genius. By the media. Turns out they are utter, ignorant fools, just like the people who made them in the first place, again the media, pretty dumb themselves.

arand on September 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM

So if you want to have this “say” in the matter, move to New Hampshire. And I don’t accept the premise that Romney Ryan = Obama Biden in terms of our national defense and economy.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Flora, count me as one of females feeling confident. Doesn’t everybody know the polls are going to bounce around? Ed keeps showing us how they over sample Democrats. The doom and gloom today is surprising me.
This is not 2008. Remember 2010. Remember Wisconsin. We have the momentum and enthusiasm.
Come on!

tj4osu on September 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Then it’s surprising to realize how Obama policies arrested the nation’s economy freefall and stopped the nation from spiralling into a deflationary balance sheet recession. This may shock you, but the massive sell-off on Wall Street in 2008 was driven by the perceived likelihood of a depression. The US financial crisis was far worse than what occurred in Japan a decade earlier yet the outcome wasn’t nearly as severe.
It’s hard to say where your assumptions are coming from, if not talk radio.

bayam on September 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM

All I have to say is you spout the exact same crap we hear from Obama’s paid fluffers. It isn’t true just because you keep repeating it over and over. 1.7% growth is not serious? The number of people leaving employment to go on years of unemployment and then to disability is not serious? 16 trillion in debt is not serious? Food stamps? Bankrupt municipalities? You are not serious. You elected a moron. You would rather things stay the way they are (or get worse) rather than admit you screwed up. We get it. There is absolutely nothing you can say that is going to make me, or anyone with two functioning brain cells, buy into it.

Also, we all knew that no matter what happened at the democrat convention this “bump” in the polls would occur. I, for one, am not buying that either. No decent person would vote for Obama. We will see how many decent people there are left in this country. Until I find out otherwise, I will continue to believe there are more of us than there are of you, so screw off.

Night Owl on September 9, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Read these comments on of all places, Yahoo …. and tell me SCOAMF has a lock on this election

Wow.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2012 at 5:58 PM

And it wasn’t even linked to by Drudge.

steebo77 on September 9, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Read these comments on of all places, Yahoo …. and tell me SCOAMF has a lock on this election

Wow.

Key West Reader on September 9, 2012 at 5:58 PM

And it wasn’t even linked to by Drudge.

steebo77 on September 9, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Wow!! over 13000 comments. Most are slamming the big O. :)

bluealice on September 9, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Key West Reader on September 9, 2012 at 5:58 PM

That was a reference to Mitt Romney and running mate Paul Ryan. The Republicans have proposed a plan that would transform Medicare by giving the elderly voucher-style payments they could use to purchase health insurance. They say it would rein in runaway health care costs. But Democrats — and the impartial Congressional Budget Office — say it would eventually shift much of the burden of health care costs to the elderly.

But they were still getting this false point across….

Barred on September 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Barry does have both plans A and B:

Plan A: Wreck the economy, drive it to its knees, and implement socialism. Check.

Plan B: Implement Plan A and blame it on George Bush, the Euro, tsunamis, banks, Mitt Romney, Bain Capital, the need to spend time with his family, the Joooooos…and so on. Check.

Philly on September 9, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Awkward: Joe Biden is photographed with a female biker in his lap

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Did you see the looks on the two other guys in the picture? They are not admiring looks, at all.

Night Owl on September 9, 2012 at 6:16 PM

WTH! Who left the gate open at the weak kneed assylum. Man up you bunch of p u s s y ‘ s. you are an embarrassment to all mankind. You deserve 0 the boyking as your tyrant. I do not. 0 is done! Get busy seeing it so!

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Exactly!

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Some of you sound like a bunch of freaking metrosexuals. Aspire to be a Man. Put your freaking fashion sense aside you pathetic weaklings.

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Exactly!

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Afternoon Jackie. Could this be the state of man and I just missed the memo? Tell me we still breed Men in this Country. I know we must, some are Marines. ; )

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM

The plan was to get elected, everything else was supposed to magically fall in place because we finally had the One we had been waiting for. The sweet music of our new savior’s teleprompted speeches would carry the economy, creating new laws of math and even physics along the way. Now we are a cargo cult, walking down to the river every month to await a decent jobs report. Any month now, just a little more patience, just a little more faith.

stout77 on September 9, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Did you see the looks on the two other guys in the picture? They are not admiring looks, at all.

Night Owl on September 9, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Would you? now they are going to have to hose her down like a dog that just rolled in poop. :)

arnold ziffel on September 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Then it’s surprising to realize how Obama policies arrested the nation’s economy freefall and stopped the nation from spiralling into a deflationary balance sheet recession. This may shock you, but the massive sell-off on Wall Street in 2008 was driven by the perceived likelihood of a depression. The US financial crisis was far worse than what occurred in Japan a decade earlier yet the outcome wasn’t nearly as severe.
It’s hard to say where your assumptions are coming from, if not talk radio.

bayam on September 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM

The financial crisis had abated by the time Obama took office in Jan. 2009. By then Congress had passed, and Pres. Bush had signed, the TARP legislation which indeed had the effect of stabilizing the credit markets. As usual, Obama is taking credit for things other people did. If you’re going to say that the bailouts saved the auto industry and prevented another depression, you’re going to have to give George W. Bush at least some of the credit. It was Bush who pushed TARP and it was Bush who made the executive decision that under TARP he had the authority to give GM and Chrysler bridge loans to survive into the new administration.

By the way, what do you have to say to the folks who owned GM bonds and got screwed by Obama’s team just so the UAW wouldn’t have to take a haircut?

rokemronnie on September 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Good afternoon, B! I know we do.

I also know we seem to have some who are in a sorry state.. I tangled with one on the football thread today. I don’t know what’s become of some guys.

I was surprised. The conservative women instantly answered when Flora called… but the men… not so much.

I like to think that there’s just a hangover from the convention, a natural lull.

Conservatives are made of stronger metal. We’ll see.

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I can’t believe we are going to lose against this guy, it’s the end of the GOP

Conservative4ev on September 9, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Step away from the TV and the newspapers, meaning all the mainstream media operations. Do not believe anything they say, no matter how “reasonable” it seems to sound. Use your intuition and your eyes and ears to observe what is going on in your own community and see how it squares with what the MSM is blathering, or not. Chances are, what they report and what is actually happening are 180 degrees apart.

And above all, DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

As for the end of the GOP, I doubt that will happen immediately. It will happen, though, as the RINOS get purged over several election cycles and are replaced by conservatives.

It’s the women are resolutely stating, “like hell we are.”

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 4:26 PM

^^^This should be on a bumper sticker and t-shirt.

PatriotGal2257 on September 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Patriot – thanks for talking me off a cliff, I am trying to stay upbeat but not getting help from our candidate doesn’t help including the fox pundits, national review, freerublic, the fox pundits, people on this board.
I have had people calling me in panic today asking me what is going on. Scared, I’m scared and I already have a dog

Conservative4ev on September 9, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Would you? now they are going to have to hose her down like a dog that just rolled in poop. :)

arnold ziffel on September 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

LOL! I thought it was just my dog who did that! He only did it once a year, in the spring. Sheep poop. I don’t know why.

Night Owl on September 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Wished I had been around. You know how much I love me some Flora. She is the best!

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I’ve often wondered how much different things might be in D.C. if we had women like Michelle Bachmann, Kristi Noem, Marsha Blackburn and Sandy Adams in leadership positions.

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM

You know how much I love me some Flora. She is the best!

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

aww, thank you kindly, sir.

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM

I suspect it would make a vast difference, Flora! Those women have spine and integrity. Rare qualities and commodities in Washington, DC. I have hopes that some will make it into the leadership positions soon.

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM

aww, thank you kindly, sir.

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Shhh, don’t want to spoil the gilled ones version and view of me. Lol!

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:47 PM

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM

The only House races I’ve been paying any attention to are in FL. Does Bachmann have a chance at being reelected to her district?

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Tbarleycorn THANK YOU ! for telling the defeatists to stop whining and suck it up. Glad to hear from somebody who still has a pair.

stormridercx4 on September 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

According to a friend I have who lives there its about 50/50, but, I’m not at all sure how accurate or reliable that anecdotal evidence is, and I’m going to poke around and try to get a better sense of it.

I’ve been so obsessed with the presidential race that I’ve been neglecting the other races. We’re in pretty good shape here in Oklahoma.

I’ll let you know if I find anything that looks solid.

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Sorry, that last post was for you, Flora.

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 7:02 PM

I just posted this on another blog. Thought it would be worth posting here as well…….

The Romney campaign needs to adapt to day to day events.

The new Democrat/Media narrative focuses on Bill Clinton. It goes like this……..

“Y’all love Bill Clinton, right? Well Clinton said Obama has done the best he could with the mess he inherited. He said that even HE couldn’t have done a better job in 4 years. So c’mon, we MUST give the Black man the benefit of the doubt. WE MUST. WE MUST, WE MUST”.

Romney could easily turn this around and use Clinton as a weapon against Obama by saying this……

“Obama ran as a Clinton-esque Centrist in 2008. Well the American people wanted Obama to focus all his energy on fixing the economy. But there was one problem with that: the Democrats had a rare political opportunity to nationalize our health care system, since they controlled all 3 branches of government, with a super majority in the Senate. The American people said ‘fix the economy first, then worry about health care’. A Centrist would have listened to the will of the people. When Bill Clinton tried to pass a health care bill the economy was in much better shape in the early 90s than it was when Obama took office. But the American people still didn’t like his health care bill. So what did Bill Clinton do? He listened to the American people and scrapped his health care bill. And if Bill Clinton had been elected in 2008, he would have listened to the American people then too. Obama chose his Liberal ideology over listening to the American people in a time of economic crisis. He’s no Bill Clinton, and he’s no Centrist. And if Bill Clinton tries to tell you otherwise, just remember that for all his positives, Bill Clinton sometimes has a problem with telling the truth”.

Seems pretty simple to me. Yet I have the sinking feeling that it would never occur to a whole room full of so called political experts working for Romney to come up with a response like this.

ardenenoch on September 9, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Don’t give way to depression and fear. Its not the big battles that matter, its winning the little ones constantly. The Feds think they are all powerful and can bully and push their way everywhere. Just heard about a county sheriff who told BLM employees, if they go off of BLM land in his county and try to block access to state forests and target shootlng areas by bulldozing berms across the logging roads he wil arrest them on the spot. The crap stopped immediately, so know this the Right Wing Resistance is alive and growing.

stormridercx4 on September 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Allen West has got a squeaker on his hands, and it’s looking like we may be stuck with another term from Bill Nelson in the Senate. The good news is, with each passing day, and new blatant lie, it’s looking less and less like DWS will win her district.

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

ardenenoch on September 9, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Did you see this ad the Romney campaign released the morning after Clinton’s speech?

http://electad.com/video/mitt-romney-ad-give-me-a-break/

It uses a phrase that Clinton himself said about Obama in 2008.

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Flora Duh on September 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Sorry Flora, had to step away for a moment.

I’m delighted to hear that DWS may be on her way to a career as a Wal-mart checker!

I certainly hope that Allen West keeps his seat, though.

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Call it whatever you like, ‘future plans’, Plan B; Barry doesn’t have one.

Socialist truth is the ONLY truth, therefore no other plan need be contemplated or designed.

Just give Barry MORE time and MORE money.

Someone needs to tell the fool that the Soviets tried for over 80 years. How many years does Barry want?

GarandFan on September 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM

The only plan is to stay in power. Pinky and the Brain had a better plan than Øbama.

Mojave Mark on September 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I don’t need this behind the scenes crap to know Obama is incompetent. The right will pick out stuff that makes Obama look bad and the left will focus on things that make Republicans look bad. Who knows what is or is not true behind closed doors.

Wigglesworth on September 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Ah, but Obysmal DOES have a grand plan, and most missed what it is. IBD notes the plan that everyone listening to the O convention speech missed.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090712-625080-terrifying-promise-obama-made-.htm?p=full

onlineanalyst on September 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Obysmal relies on his passive aggression, a lap-dog media, and ill-informed, government-reliant voters. He does not lead, nor does he negotiate. He “governs” by fiat via shadow surrogates.

onlineanalyst on September 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Oh, this is great. Reid has no idea what he himself has worked on so he passes the buck to the people who did, like usual. And then said person who had the buck passed to him told Barack Obama exactly the sort of thing he’s always avoided his entire life–the truth.

Amazing. Poor guy probably got canned.

R. Waher on September 9, 2012 at 7:49 PM

The Democratic Leadership, such as it is, knows about this president’s huge experience deficit, yet they don’t insist that he up his game. If they really cared about this country, they would have passed reasonable budgets (the Senate would have had to cooperate) and did the debt deals without his help.

4 more years of this stuff? Someone has to be kidding.

bflat879 on September 9, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Tbarleycorn THANK YOU ! for telling the defeatists to stop whining and suck it up. Glad to hear from somebody who still has a pair.

stormridercx4 on September 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

My pleasure. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. The panic was palpable, even over the wire. The Dims are
going to pull out all the stops trying to demoralize the Right. We just need to ignore them, and the polls, and
carry on.

Does the cx4 at the end of your handle mean what I think it means? I have one too, in .40 S&W.

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Yup… though I wonder.

The rise in moby’s, trolls, and perhaps a few really clever moby’s… the kind that have been ‘conservative’… until now.

I’m seeing way too many shriekers and wailers suddenly finding their voices.

I smell rats…

CPT. Charles on September 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I smell rats…

CPT. Charles on September 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

That thought had crossed my mind. I found it strange that the angst was suddenly turned up to 11.

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 8:33 PM

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I’ve got one of those too… Czech flavored.

CPT. Charles on September 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Differing in opinion with you, or having concerns about the RNC’s repeated insistence upon shoving crappy candidates at us doesn’t make one a p u s s y (your term) or a eunuch. Suggesting as much does, however, make you a pretty feeble online wannabe bully. Have any other kindergarten-level insults you’d like to throw, are is it past your bedtime?

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Defeat the MSM, defeat Obama.
The other way works too.

drunyan8315 on September 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I’ve got one of those too… Czech flavored.

CPT. Charles on September 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Nice. I was referring to this in .40. CX4 Storm

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 9:00 PM

The true Mitt came out today and more will appear every day. He said he would repeal Ocare but like parts of it. He wants to keep pre-existing conditions and letting the kiddies stay on the parents coverage like forever. We all knew he wasn’t exactly a con through and through but for crying out loud. If Rcare is so great why not leave it up to each state to figure their health care needs out like he did in Mass and leave the feds outta our doc visits. There’s not more than a dimes worth of difference between the 2 parties and our candidates.

Kissmygrits on September 9, 2012 at 10:10 PM

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Hmm… a pistol-caliber carbine, not a bad choice, but a bit pricy by my standards.

If I had to go that route, I’d probably choose this one.

(It can be configured to multiple magazine options… including the Glock [hi-cap mags avail.]; and it can be folded.)

CPT. Charles on September 9, 2012 at 10:19 PM

The first thing that baffles me is, from my private-sector experience, the first rule that I’ve always been taught is to have a Plan B.

Unfortunately, the private sector’s Plan B recently has been to ask for a bailout.

Reading through the entire Woodward piece, I’m kind of glad Obama held out. In the end, we got $1.2 trilion in deficit reduction. But, more importantly, we did not have the debt ceiling come up again this summer when basically nothing would have been done (as indeed nothing has been done on anything).

It does seem that everyone involved understood how bad a default would have been, which is reassuring. Not, you know, a lot. But a little reassuring.

Hal_10000 on September 9, 2012 at 10:36 PM

It is pretty obvious that Obama has a Plan B+.

percysunshine on September 9, 2012 at 10:41 PM

To all of you sad sacks counting defeat and crying in your beverage, STFU. Find your spine and nut up! You can cry IF we lose, but not before. These polls and all the trolls whispering defeat are trying to sow despair and suppress the GOP turnout.

Jesus, what a bunch little girls.

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I mostly agree with ya, with one exception – - any poll indicating Zero is ahead just makes me more determined to vote and to get every “right” voter to the poll with me.

This is what us big girls will be doing and I know a lot of ‘em.

SoldiersMom on September 10, 2012 at 12:11 AM

tbarleycorn on September 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Your point is excellent but your language?

Not so much.

Sherman1864 on September 10, 2012 at 7:50 AM

There was a reason for adamant opposition to the 2-stage plan. It was vigorously opposed by Wall Street and the business sector- that would have cast a pall of far greater uncertainty into 2012.
Are you suggesting that Obama should have agree to a 2-stage plan that increased business uncertainty?

bayam on September 9, 2012 at 3:47 PM

I stopped reading the thread when I got to this. It made me chuckle.
Everything Obama does increases business uncertainty.
What effing planet do you live on?
And let’s be real here. Obama did not have a good reason for adamant opposition to this plan.
He opposed it bcs he personally didn’t want to do it. And not bcs he gave a damn about anything Wall Street said.
His reasons for anything are purely selfish & have to do with transforming this country into a socialist-communist utopia the likes of which the world has never seen.
THAT is Obama’s reasons for opposition.

Badger40 on September 10, 2012 at 8:17 AM

xblade on September 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Um, check that primary calendar again, champ, and tell me at which point Romney had it sown up. I’ll tell you that it was quite awhile before MOST of us had a say in who that candidate was.

*I* didn’t get a choice; YES, he was ‘forced’ upon me.

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Tell me about it, I live in California. That said however xblade still has a legitimate point. We do live in a Constitutional Republic, that just happens to be a double edged blade. You remember that whole “Of the people,by the people” thing? Yea, bottom line is… 51% decides. When you are in the 51% everything is gold bar’s a great vacations. When your in the 49%, well it aint so great.

Because of the way the nation was formed their is a serious flaw in the primary system. That flaw is that it moves EAST to WEST. Since the largest population concentrations are on the East Coast and the West coasts that means that the candidates do in fact get chosen by the 51% before the people on the western third of the nation even have their primaries.

So, yea, as a Californian I was in fact disenfranchised, Mitt Romney was already chosen by the 51% before we even had our primary. He didn’t steal the election, he didn’t cheat, and he was chosen by the majority of the Republican Party base. Like I said it’s a flaw in the Primary system that has it’s origins in how the nations was formed.

Where it’s a seriously egregious crime, is that this flaw is not about to be addressed by the GOP because certain self anointed Republican Aristocrat benefit from the flaw and know how to manipulate it to their advantage.

SWalker on September 10, 2012 at 10:16 AM

“…And it is really disheartening that you, that this White House did not have a Plan B.”

Well, duh.

He has “Plan BB” which is what he’s been using all along – “Blame Bush”.

Hill60 on September 10, 2012 at 10:52 AM

I am not a fan of Romney’s by any stretch as I believe as a conservative that he is too liberal.

That said, there is no way that Romney’s presidency will be the
same as Obama.

First of all Romney will create jobs. Without jobs, nothing else
will improve anyways.

Give Romney a chance. Get him elected. Then we can bitch about
this policy or that.

Right now, I want to get the socialist/marxist/communist out of
the White House and the only catalyst to do that is to elect
Romney.

Amjean on September 10, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Your point is excellent but your language?

Not so much.

Sherman1864 on September 10, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Sherm! Can I call you Sherm? Shermy, would you like to borrow my handkerchief? Look, what so offended you that you felt compelled to extend kudo’s to my point, but frown upon my language?

Politics is a full contact sport, and sometimes you have to slap the snivelers upside the head to bring them back to reality. My language was tame compared to someplace like DU or DailyKos. You’re going to need to toughen up a bit sport.

HAND

tbarleycorn on September 10, 2012 at 2:16 PM

I mostly agree with ya, with one exception – – any poll indicating Zero is ahead just makes me more determined to vote and to get every “right” voter to the poll with me.

This is what us big girls will be doing and I know a lot of ‘em.

SoldiersMom on September 10, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Well…I have all the confidence in the world when it comes to the resolve of Conservative Women (big girls). No disrespect intended.

Hmm… a pistol-caliber carbine, not a bad choice, but a bit pricy by my standards.

If I had to go that route, I’d probably choose this one.

(It can be configured to multiple magazine options… including the Glock [hi-cap mags avail.]; and it can be folded.)

CPT. Charles on September 9, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Granted, the CX4 is a bit pricy, but you get what you pay for. Besides, I have its little brudda, the PX4 in .40 S&W (full frame) and the both use the same magazine. Makes sense tactically. The KT is okay, but my tastes run a little differently.

Cheers!

tbarleycorn on September 10, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Yeah…”private sector experience.” Remember George W. Bush, anyone?
The so-called MBA Presidency:-)

mlindroo on September 10, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I would suppose that President Obama assumed that his plans would absolutely work to perfection in his first term. So there would be no need to get feedback and adjust accordingly. It was oh so unnecessary to have contingency plans since those would assume that his plans/intentions would not pan out — which in his mind could not happen.

The plan for the second term was to continue and expand on the expected total success of his plans in the first term.

When the first part of his plans for his first term didn’t work, it appears that all he can do is to try again with the same plans, more or less. Or maybe he truly believes that it has worked and he just needs to press onward. Can that be true?

Russ808 on September 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM

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