When did reporting become trolling?

posted at 5:01 pm on September 9, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Before diving into this I just wanted to say that I generally enjoy reading the work of Dave Weigel. He does a very solid job and interacts with his readers a lot in social media. But after the DNC wrapped up this week, he left me scratching my head when he took to the pages of Slate and described the conservative coverage of the Democrats’ platform debacle as “trolling.” (Sort of, anyway.)

“This time yesterday,” said the strategist, “I was sitting in my office and asking: Are we really talking about this? Are people really covering this? It’s over, I guess, but how stupid was that?”

Whatever lessons the Democrats take from Charlotte, whatever it did for the president or for the ambitious senators and governors who stalked delegate breakfasts and whispered “2016,” this is a fact: The convention was successfully trolled.

What he’s talking about is Jeff Dunetz blogging about the removal of the Jerusalem language from the DNC platform. After that it migrated to the Weekly Standard, Fox and CNN. Dave takes some time out to explain that it’s not, you know… trolling trolling here, but some new kind of trolling.

I don’t use troll in the pejorative sense. Actually, I may be trying to craft a neutral meaning of troll where none previously existed. The term, in its modern Internet usage, refers to people who want to start fights online to bring the universe into an argument on their terms. It comes not from Grimm literature, but from a fishing technique in which multiple lines are baited and dragged to haul in the maximum amount of cold-bloods.

Um… OK. But I’m still not clear on what the baseline complaint is here. Are you saying that nobody should have reported it? That it was somehow not newsworthy? Or are you implying that since the original reporting of the story took place on a blog, it somehow immediately disqualifies it as “news” in the eyes of the gatekeepers?

This is what I mean: We live in the age of trolling. Any comment made online, if it’s given the right forum, is as relevant as any comment made by some media gatekeeper. Think about a politician or a journalist on Twitter, and what he sees. If a colleague wants to tell him something, it appears in his feed with an @ symbol. If someone who just logged on and wants to bait a nerd logs on, he will send a message that appears with an @ symbol. Both are equally valid, at least in how they appear on-screen or on a phone. There is no ghetto-izing of comments into the bottom of a page, or into media that you don’t pay attention to.

And a small band of happy saboteurs took advantage of that. In Tampa, for the Republican convention, the Weekly Standard and the Washington Examiner, both owned by Philip Anschutz’s Clarity Media, had teamed up for a daily mini-magazine of happy-friendly-witty convention stories. A typical headline was “The Pride of New Jersey: Chris Christie, by Those Who Know Him Best.” In Charlotte, a team of four Washington Times reports dropped cluster bombs on the DNC opera, with stories like the platform series and “Another Dem. Compares Republicans to Nazis.”

Weigel even goes on to say that John McCormack wrote to him to say that “reporting” would be a better word than “trolling” in this case, and Dave agreed with him. But if you agree, then what was the point of the column in the first place? Dave stated that there were probably 15,000 reporters in Charlotte, “of whom maybe 14,980 could have given a damn about the party platform.”

I’m sorry, Dave, but if that’s the case, shouldn’t your argument have been that 14,980 of those reporters are drawing too large of a paycheck because they’re simply not doing their jobs? The article goes on to note how much time was spent at the RNC talking about the abortion plank in the platform, so clearly the details of the party platforms are not only fair game, but newsworthy in their own right. Yet while the abortion brouhaha was apparently “news” being handled by reporters, the people covering the Israel and God language changes in the Democrats’ documents were “a small band of happy saboteurs” for some reason.

This makes no sense.


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Greek Fire on September 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Great picture of Andrea Mitchell, BTW!

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

In other words…

“Waaaaaaaa! Waaaaaaaa! We don’t control the message any more…! Wwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaa!!!”

Seven Percent Solution on September 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

It’s simple to translate Jazz.
Dave is saying, ” Shut up. This hurts my team.”

Curmudgeon on September 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Dave Weigel = troll

stefanite on September 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Integrity and character have been jettisoned from nearly every institution in American society. Sloth and dishonesty are excused away by psychology. Men and women are not held to account for their actions. There is a group of Americans who hold their shameful disreputable lives up as virtue. Popular media and the mainstream of news reporting celebrates the anti-hero. Children are told that they are the most special people in the world and that nothing they encounter in their life should ever have the ability to bruise their self-esteem. Ream men of honor, integrity, honesty, and character are maligned, ridiculed and ignored.

This is the America that the progressives wanted. Every man woman and child acting on their basest instincts. Their poor behaviour excused, hell it is even rewarded.

Is it any wonder the sorry state of affairs of our education, environmental, justice, government, entertainment, and even industries?

This is not a plan for longevity, prosperity, or liberty. We have charted a course for doom. Maybe it will look like shabby England. Maybe it will look like Riotous Greece. Maybe it will end up like Putin’s Russia. God help us if it ends up like Islamist Turkey.

tom daschle concerned on September 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Great picture of Andrea Mitchell, BTW!

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

I thought it was Helen Thomas.

Curmudgeon on September 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

It must be hard meeting girls when you’re Dave Weigel. :-(

Punchenko on September 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Bottom feeders know a thing or two about trolling.

faraway on September 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Wiegel is already on record that he hates conservatives and he was more than willing to shape the news to benefit Obama. Yet, we keep getting links to his BS here. I guess you think that all that matters is hits. But it is a real insult to conservatives to have to hear his latest drivel.

Blake on September 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

When you point one finger, three point back, Dave.

unclesmrgol on September 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

When did reporting become trolling?

Back when Walter Cronkite lied to America and reported that the Tet Offensive, the most decisive victory in the Vietnam War, was a total loss for America.

SWalker on September 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

It must be hard meeting girls when you’re Dave Weigel. :-(

Punchenko on September 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

A short, zit-faced, fat-assed little puke? The ‘male’ MoDo?

Any wonder why ugly people are ‘rats?

Lanceman on September 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM

I still don’t understand the right wing blogosphere’s love of Weigel and his treatment of Conservatives as some foreign tribe he deals with for the left wing.

rob verdi on September 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Another Onion-worthy article from a loser lib.

JA on September 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Wasn’t davey discredited some time back.

D-fusit on September 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Before diving into this I just wanted to say that I generally enjoy reading the work of Dave Weigel.

Are you advising the Romney campaign or vise versa? Just kidding.

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

If someone who just logged on and wants to bait a nerd logs on…

Not a clear thought.

15,000 reporters in Charlotte, “of whom maybe 14,980 could have given a damn about the party platform.”

So only twenty didn’t give a damn? (No, we know what he meant, but the fuzzy thinking is causing linguistic static again.)

(Tiny quibble: “how they appear on-screen” should be “appear on screen”, on-screen or onscreen being an adjective.)

Tzetzes on September 9, 2012 at 5:23 PM

JS:

“This makes no sense.”

Actually, it makes perfect sense.

Weigel was a member of the JournoList, a perverse and corrupt construction by and for the Legacy Media. See, he was a member of the “gatekeeping” community. He still wants to be a gatekeeper. He doesn’t want you to be.

Disparaging New Media that doesn’t go along with industry peers (which is to say the Liberal/Progressive faction) to advance the Left-leaning narrative is a goal for the sake of self-preservation. If the industry is approximately monolithic, it’s in his interest to carry the monolith. If it’s shown that the gate can be circumvented or busted down by those external to the membership class, then job security (if not actual agenda establishing) is compromised.

AnonymousDrivel on September 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

I thought it was Helen Thomas.

Curmudgeon on September 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Helen wears more make-up, It’s Mrs Greenspan without the wig.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Wasn’t there a lot of talk in the media about the GOP platform supposedly omitting rape from the abortion language?

BKeyser on September 9, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Before diving into this I just wanted to say that I generally enjoy reading the work of Dave Weigel.

There’s your problem. After he got caught during the Journolist scandal, you’d think people on the Conservative side would see him for the facade he is.

portlandon on September 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

The best, most succinct and clear comment there, which sums up my point perfectly.

tearsinrain
“browbeating” — asking questions that Democrats do not want to answer.

“journalism” — asking questions that Republican do not want to answer.

Color me underimpressed.

gekkobear on September 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Sorry, Dave. This debacle was of the leftists’ own making.

The Democrats should have known after all of the coverage the Republican platform received the previous week that any alterations to their own platform would be fodder for the press.

Not only that, their response once the changes were reported was the height of incompetence and betrayed some sentiments on their part which a large number of Americans obviousl7y found troubling.

Did you expect everyone to just shrug their shoulders and immediately get back to baby murder festival and singing Fleetwood Mac?

steebo77 on September 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

There’s your problem. After he got caught during the Journolist scandal, you’d think people on the Conservative side would see him for the facade he is.

portlandon on September 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Yeah, but we have to be nice to them or something.

SouthernGent on September 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

The media is the enemy…Breitbart was right. Never forget it. They stay on social media to monitor the narrative.

d1carter on September 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I don’t use troll in the pejorative sense. Actually, I may be trying to craft a neutral meaning of troll where none previously existed.

Z———-

Del Dolemonte on September 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

It’s a back handed slap at alternate news sources. Some just can’t get over the loss of the good old days when the media was completely controlled by the left. That’s when they were called & called themselves liberals, when they called themselves anything.

arand on September 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM

There’s your problem. After he got caught during the Journolist scandal, you’d think people on the Conservative side would see him for the facade he is.

portlandon on September 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Dave is a libertarian.

/straight face

steebo77 on September 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Weigel was a member of the JournoList, a perverse and corrupt construction by and for the Legacy Media. See, he was a member of the “gatekeeping” community. He still wants to be a gatekeeper. He doesn’t want you to be…

AnonymousDrivel on September 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

All of the reporters associated with Journolist should have been banned from the profession. I believe, what they did was not only despicable but criminal. So, that’s what I think of Dave Weigel and his opinions.

Fallon on September 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

It’s all according to what the meaning of is….is. Slick Willie.

Herb on September 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM

It was newsworthy. Someone whispering an inconvenient truth is not trolling.

lexhamfox on September 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Weigel is just another Journolister scumbag with an agenda. I have never seen him produce a single useful insight, although I freely admit I quit reading his drivel long ago. As for his interactions with readers, that often consists of deleting critical comments to his pieces, another sign of his craven gutlessness.

I have never understood the esteem in which he is apparently held by Ed, Allah, and now Jazz. He is a horse’s ass. Idiots like him are responsibility for the reduction of the news media to a bad joke.

novaculus on September 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM

So…you enjoy reading Liberal writers, Jazz?

Enjoy, as in good research material…or enjoy, as in, a shared viewpoint?

No harm meant…just asking.

kingsjester on September 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

The media is the enemy…Breitbart was right. Never forget it. They stay on social media to monitor the narrative.

d1carter on September 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

The media is simply part of the Dem party. They successfully took over the media as they left their staffer jobs. Other party people married media types and swayed opinion that way. It seems we are afraid to call them out on this plot, but there is no way the media should be literally (to quote the VP) in bed with the progs.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Back when Walter Cronkite lied to America and reported that the Tet Offensive, the most decisive victory in the Vietnam War, was a total loss for America.

SWalker on September 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Thank you, from one that was there, witnessed it first hand, and knows you are correct.

- – 1st Air Cavalry Division: 1967-68)

rplat on September 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM

The media is less a profession than a fifth column and perpetrated what Eastood correctly called a hoax when they championed Obama. They also spread the global warming manure too and reaped financial benefits galore.

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Before diving into this I just wanted to say that I generally enjoy reading the work of Dave Weigel.

There’s your problem. After he got caught during the Journolist scandal, you’d think people on the Conservative side would see him for the facade he is.

portlandon on September 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

…after the Journolist scandal…for me “work” became “fiction”…they are not “reporters”!

KOOLAID2 on September 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Speaking of Trolls.

How about this RINO at best (though I agree with him in this instance).

The Huffington Post is happy: “MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough offered some harsh words for Mitt Romney via Twitter on Saturday night.”

“Romney will lose if he doesn’t dramatically change his strategy,” he said. “Negative ads won’t substitute for conservative ideas.”

The ‘Morning Joe’ host continued: “The Romney campaign is not conservative. It is just as cynical and risk-averse as Team Obama. A real conservative would be winning now.”

…Scarborough also on Saturday criticized Romney for his vague policies.

“Romney has been clear he will avoid specifics on balancing the budget and shrinking government. Not the Reagan and Thatcher way,” he said. “The truth is that Thatcher would have lost in 1979 and Reagan would have lost in 1980 if they had run as timid a campaign ad Mitt Romney.”

He responded to critics: “Yikes. Denial has set in. Circle the wagons, ignore the storm clouds, blindly follow…Go Team Go!!”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/09/09/scarborough-tweet-taunts-romney-real-conservative-would-be-winning-now#ixzz260l2DqLF

Do you think Morning JoJo realizes he’s only of use to the media if he’s bashing his own party or extolling our American Jesus?

I mean, what good are the likes of David “Pants crease” Brooks and Peggy Noonan to the left unless they do either of those things?

Ugh. The so called Conservative Intelligentsia sucketh.

PappyD61 on September 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

The media is the propaganda wing of the Democrat party…Would any Republican woman gotten away with concocting as much nonsense in a speech as Michelle Obama did when she gave that speech at the DNC?

It was a great performance…all bs of course and she knew no one would call her on anything she said.

She was free to portray Obama as a saint.

And that is just one time among a millions times that the media has kissed ass for those people.

Terrye on September 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Fallon:

“All of the reporters associated with Journolist should have been banned from the profession…”

Could not agree more. They should be unhirable. When I recognize that content came from a JournoLister, I immediately a) stop reading or b) disregard anything I just read. They burned their credibility. I’d say it’s even worse than a charge of plagiarism. It’s not theft of intellectual property but it is collusion to defraud which is exponentially worse because they’re, as an industry, provided with extra Constitutional protections.

AnonymousDrivel on September 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Morning Joe has no credibility. Token pseudoconservative playing jester to his lib paymasters

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Ugh. The so called Conservative Intelligentsia sucketh.

PappyD61 on September 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

It is interesting that the only time you agree with Morning Joe is when he is giving Romney a hard time…what the hell would Joe know about conservative ideas…and as far as negative ads..for Chrisake all I have heard for months out of TruCons is that Romney needs to fight fire with fire..now all of a sudden we are yakking about ideas.

Well believe it or not the two are not mutually exclusive. Romney and Ryan have both come up with conservative ideas to move the country forward and they have not only used negative ads, they are starting to use more of them.

The Democrats got a bump from their convention..there was not a lot Romney could do to keep that from happening, especially with the media fawning all over Bill Clinton and the Obamas.

Terrye on September 9, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Morning Joe has no credibility. Token pseudoconservative playing jester to his lib paymasters

clnurnberg on September 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM

And that is the way it has been for a long long time.

Terrye on September 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Wavy Davy W the Journolister who flunked Drudge 101 among other things is the epitome of the word hack.

Please just ignore him and maybe he will just go away quietly. Also, another reason (SWIDT) to not give tons of credence to the gang at Cato et al since they gave him credibility by hiring him and his farcical “Conservatives for Obama ’08″ @$$.

::if you are reading this Dave all I can say is ((hugs))::

Branch Rickey on September 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Their problem runs deeper than anyone seems to appreciate.

Not only are there some aspects of cult membership but also a generalized distortion of their own perceptions and flaws in their reactions to a variety of stimuli.

There is a regular Fox TV show which tackles media bias. Then O’Reilly regularly discusses media with the Slobbering Love Affair author and others but only such people as the boss emeritus, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter realize that it truly has the aspects of a mental health pathology.

I see it as certain genetic factors combined with programming in young adulthood.

Colleges.

IlikedAUH2O on September 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Why does this topic include a pic of Joy Behar before heading into the make-up studio?

Bishop on September 9, 2012 at 6:02 PM

It bacame trolling when conservatives report on stories the left doesn’t want you know about. Straight up.

Sasha List on September 9, 2012 at 6:03 PM

@Jazz

Your analysis of that confusing mess only added a layer of confusion to the mess. Now it’s a confused, confused mess, and unfortunately, confusing is an affirmation and not a negation, so the double affirmation just creates confused times confused, or confused squared, not completely unconfused, as it might have been hoped, or as it might indeed be in a universe where you have no mustache, but instead a pointy beard like evil Spock.

Plus, if you see him, tell him that if he is not a Poet, he has no business attempting to redefine words. This whole thing could have been avoided if he would have just asked someone to coin him a new apropos term. As it is, he might as well have said “Since when did reporters become elfin?” — it would have had the same effect.

“Yes, your butt looks big in those jeans, but I’m using “big” in a new, neutral sense — honey — honey! — wait!”

Axe on September 9, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Bishop on September 9, 2012 at 6:02 PM

She has make up on and there is decent lighting. I think she is looking a little angry like she does when dealing with a conservative observation.

That relates to the thread of course.

IlikedAUH2O on September 9, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Wiegel is already on record that he hates conservatives and he was more than willing to shape the news to benefit Obama. Yet, we keep getting links to his BS here. I guess you think that all that matters is hits. But it is a real insult to conservatives to have to hear his latest drivel.

Blake on September 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

We have already established that Jazz is not a conservative. I’m not sure he is even a Republican. Thank God for Erika and Mary Katharine. They are the only conservative authors here.

bw222 on September 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Weigel is just another Journolister scumbag with an agenda. I have never seen him produce a single useful insight, although I freely admit I quit reading his drivel long ago. As for his interactions with readers, that often consists of deleting critical comments to his pieces, another sign of his craven gutlessness.

I have never understood the esteem in which he is apparently held by Ed, Allah, and now Jazz. He is a horse’s ass. Idiots like him are responsibility for the reduction of the news media to a bad joke.

novaculus on September 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM

AGREED. Well said, Nova.

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Me journalist, You troll!

albill on September 9, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Do you think Morning JoJo realizes he’s only of use to the media if he’s bashing his own party or extolling our American Jesus?

I mean, what good are the likes of David “Pants crease” Brooks and Peggy Noonan to the left unless they do either of those things?

Ugh. The so called Conservative Intelligentsia sucketh.

PappyD61 on September 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

As long as Scarborough and Brooks continue making big bucks from the liberal media and Noonan gets invited to the elite cocktail parties, I doubt they really care.

bw222 on September 9, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Dave Weigel – Journolister.

Really, he is in no position to complain as a spinner who didn’t want to be found out as one. Now the best he can do is start saying everyone is doing what he did… FAIL.

ajacksonian on September 9, 2012 at 6:14 PM

We have already established that Jazz is not a conservative. I’m not sure he is even a Republican. Thank God for Erika and Mary Katharine. They are the only conservative authors here.

bw222 on September 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM

I don’t care what Jazz is — I know he’s voting for Romney and that is all that matters to me. AP, Ed, and Jazz all get boners over Wiegel.

Blake on September 9, 2012 at 6:16 PM

It makes sense in this way: the left cannot stand dissent. They want to shut down what they do not have control over. We have heard the same message in about a thousand different ways the last 5 years. And we are starting to make really great headway. Which makes them more determined. In his case, he doesn’t even seem to realize it. It’s just a gut reaction…it reminds me of cool kids at a lunch table, and a nerd or two sitting near by. Cool kids acting shallow and malicious, as they will sometimes do. Nerd dares to speak up and simply ask an astute, thought provoking question. Cool kids rain all over his parade for not knowing his place and going along withthe game, like he’s ‘suppose to’.

Minorcan Maven on September 9, 2012 at 6:18 PM

‘Toon of the Day: God Gets Kick Out of the DNC

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/toon-of-day-god-gets-kick-out-of-dnc.html

M2RB: U.P.O. “Godless / Road to Hell version”

Resist We Much on September 9, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Um… OK. But I’m still not clear on what the baseline complaint is here. Are you saying that nobody should have reported it? That it was somehow not newsworthy?

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying. You are talking about a journolister here. If the story does not fit the narrative or does not help the cause, it is not a story, it is not to be reported, (maybe in passing if it was a really egregious incident, so that some shred of credibility might be maintained) and it definitely is not newsworthy.

Weigel is simply expressing his displeasure that somehow this got more than a couple of minutes of airtime and that somebody on the left is now going to have to have some answer for the fact that the DNC delegates in reality voted down God and Jerusalem from being included as planks in their platforms. If the left has to explain something embarrassing, David Weigel and his cronies have failed at their jobs.

Sorry Jazz, this should be no surprise, the press isn’t even attempting to hide it anymore. The MSM is nothing but the media arm of the democrat party and it is blatant about it.

AZfederalist on September 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Good trolling is a fine art.

Some come on here to troll simply to get excitement into their otherwise pathetice lives. Usually these are blatant and easy to spot.

Others, myself included, troll to get someone(s) fired up to expose his/her(/their) true feelings.

As with any rhetorical device, e.g sarcasm. it has to be done with finesse.

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

‘Toon of the Day: God Gets Kick Out of the DNC

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/toon-of-day-god-gets-kick-out-of-dnc.html

M2RB: U.P.O. “Godless / Road to Hell version”

Resist We Much on September 9, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Another fine political cartoon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipwEtvWL_3c

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Any blog post referencing Dave Weigel has to include this link to Iowa Hawk.

Ted Torgerson on September 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Bishop!?!?

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:29 PM

“When did reporting become trolling?”

Jazz Shaw, who deliberately took “you didn’t build that” out of context to shore up a slow weekend, wants to know.

chumpThreads on September 9, 2012 at 6:31 PM

The guy who got caught conspiring with other liberal reporters on how to shape the news is now criticizing the media for “trolling”. You can’t make this stuff up.

ModerateMan on September 9, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Axe on September 9, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Should that read, confusing, confused, confused mess or confused, confused, confusing mess or is it better as just a confused, confusing mess or is it confusing, confused mess? I know it’s a subtle difference, but I don’t what the readers to become confused. It is a mess.

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:34 PM

‘Toon of the Day: God Gets Kick Out of the DNC

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/toon-of-day-god-gets-kick-out-of-dnc.html

M2RB: U.P.O. “Godless / Road to Hell version”

Resist We Much on September 9, 2012 at 6:20 PM

89 percent of Americans say that they believe in God.

Is that right? If it is, why does it feel so … otherwise?

Probably yet another personal problem. :) It might not feel otherwise at all to anyone else. Boy does it feel otherwise to me.

Axe on September 9, 2012 at 6:34 PM

When I was growing up, in the 1960′s, I used to be proud that we had a free press in this country. Every time I’d hear stories about Pravda and Izvestia reporting things that were obviously propaganda, my chest would pump up just a little and I’d say to myself, “Thank God that won’t happen in my country.”

I’m not exactly sure how it happened, or when it happened, but our free press has suddenly become little more than the media wing of the Democratic Party. A Republican candidate, no matter where he is, not only has to campaign against his opponent, he also has to fight a liberal media bent on throwing him off his game and using tactics designed to help his opponent.

As the press continues to lose their credibility, we as a country are much worse off because we are forced to trust some who aren’t worthy of that trust. Yes we have Fox News, but there are also numerous websites out there sprouting lies that are making things worse.

So, it depends on what you mean by trolling. I’d say MSNBC did more trolling than anyone on the internet and, because they were never really called on that by the press, it’s apparent those accusing others of trolling were just fine with it.

bflat879 on September 9, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Any blog post referencing Dave Weigel has to include this link to Iowa Hawk.

Ted Torgerson on September 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

The best!

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Any blog post referencing Dave Weigel has to include this link to Iowa Hawk.

Ted Torgerson on September 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Just spent five minutes trying to paste a quote from there into the thread, but it required censoring, and about the 50th asterisk, I just gave up. :)

Good link.

Axe on September 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Weigle Room has a new meaning. Just like trolling. Eh?

pat on September 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Is that right? If it is, why does it feel so … otherwise?

Probably yet another personal problem. :) It might not feel otherwise at all to anyone else. Boy does it feel otherwise to me.

Axe on September 9, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Many, including church going, Bible believing Christians, are pratical atheists.

They believe in God, but live as though He doesn’t exist.

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

‘Toon of the Day: Dems Celebrate The War on Women

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/toon-of-day-dems-celebrate-war-on-women.html

M2RB: Carly Rae Jepsen

Resist We Much on September 9, 2012 at 6:46 PM

confused² = confused • confused, not 2confused,

but confused² ≥ 2confused, for all confusion greater than ♥.

(Assuming a finite field, and that we’re not in the evil universe. In the evil universe, substitute the constant frowny-face for heart. ).

Axe on September 9, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Oh what a shivery delicious opportunity! I hereby invent trademark craft the proud trademark: El Premero Hot Gas Ghettizan, and declare that I have Won the right, um. Left? No. The Entitlement to be addressed as El Leader (pronounced: El Lay-a-DOOR) of the Hot Gas Ghetto.

This is how the reportadero resultado. Escúchame!

RushBaby on September 9, 2012 at 6:51 PM

*and it would be less than or equal to, not greater than …

wth am I typing

Axe on September 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Axe on September 9, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Much better. ; )

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Any blog post referencing Dave Weigel has to include this link to Iowa Hawk.

Ted Torgerson on September 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Such a good time, brings back good memories.
Like I said earlier, discredited idiot.

Never saw what others did in davey. Still don’t.

D-fusit on September 9, 2012 at 6:55 PM

tom daschle concerned on September 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Truth hurts, but sometimes, it it wakes people up, it also is the cure for the pain. Unfortunately, most choose not to recognize it.

Our culture has been the left’s path to America’s destruction. Even as we go under we have so many dull minded folks crying that cultural issues don’t matter.

Don L on September 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM

The convention was successfully trolled.

McCormack wrote to him to say that “reporting” would be a better word than “trolling” in this case, and Dave agreed with him

So he’s upset that it was successfully reported. That is the anathema to the left.

is as relevant as any comment made by some media gatekeeper

Yes, the important ones are “gatekeepers”. I imagine there was a time when the media would have preferred to think of themselves as the ones keeping the gates open. And when it comes to top secret national security matters during Republican administrations, they still are.

Buddahpundit on September 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM

is as relevant as any comment made by some media gatekeeper

Yes, the important ones are “gatekeepers”. I imagine there was a time when the media would have preferred to think of themselves as the ones keeping the gates open.
Buddahpundit on September 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Missed the significance of that comment on the first reading. These journolisters sure think highly of themselves, don’t they. They are to be the sole arbiters of what is and what is not news. Gatekeepers, not Gatemonitors. The latter is what I would expect from an impartial press, the former from a media arm of the DNC.

AZfederalist on September 9, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I have never understood the esteem in which he is apparently held by Ed, Allah, and now Jazz. He is a horse’s ass. Idiots like him are responsibility for the reduction of the news media to a bad joke.

novaculus on September 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM

It’s the whole “I’m not one of those conservatives. You know, the crazy ones,” problem that so many conservative writers and bloggers are infected with. Remember that in the world of “Respectable Opinion,” the JournoList thing doesn’t matter and we have to treat obvious liberal political operatives masquerading as journalists with respect.

Doomberg on September 9, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I hope this means that Allah and Ed will stop linking to Weigel… the fraud who played the conservative journoList for WaPo…

CCRWM on September 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Weigel is just another Journolister scumbag with an agenda. I have never seen him produce a single useful insight, although I freely admit I quit reading his drivel long ago. As for his interactions with readers, that often consists of deleting critical comments to his pieces, another sign of his craven gutlessness.

I have never understood the esteem in which he is apparently held by Ed, Allah, and now Jazz. He is a horse’s ass. Idiots like him are responsibility for the reduction of the news media to a bad joke.

novaculus on September 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Because he’s fun to have a beer with? *shrug*

This is why we are still stuck with these DBs. Because there’s no peer pressure, no shame, no loss of face. This man should not have a platform and should be shunned at every opportunity along with his Journolist buddies.

Instead, we get this crud like it actually means anything and we should care except as target practice with our rotted produce.

Everyday these losers have a platform is an extra day of work for the rest of us.

kim roy on September 9, 2012 at 7:29 PM

we have to treat obvious liberal political operatives masquerading as journalists with respect.

Doomberg on September 9, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Not me! Homey don’t play that game! Ghetto enuf?

Sasha List on September 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

This makes no sense.

Biased liberals seldom make any real sense.

RJL on September 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

“Let me explain this to you until your eyes glaze over and you concede that I’m right and you haven’t got a clue.” -Dave Weigel

Akzed on September 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Dave has poor crafting skills…

d1carter on September 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I don’t know why Jazz and Jeff (YidWithLid) insist on taking this as a knock on them. I think Weigel really meant it as a compliment. He said the “trolling” changed the conversation and he was for it. He’s a hard-working reporter and, I think, extremely fair. Don’t everyone get outrageously outraged over this. It’s not what you think.

thousandfold on September 9, 2012 at 9:02 PM

well obviously Jazz Shaw was taken in by the chattering ‘social accessability’ of a moronic jackass named Dave Weigel. Which says nothing good about either of them.

rayra on September 9, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Who else are you taken by amongst the illiberal craposphere, Jazz? Where else are your opinions and interpretations built upon false assumptions of comity and intelligence amongst the media intelligentsia?
You better take a hard look, before your ‘analysis’ becomes as worthless as RCP’s ‘poll averages’ – GIGO.

rayra on September 9, 2012 at 9:06 PM

And frankly the Journo-List ought to become a To Do list for a star chamber. Those cretinous “journalists” who participate in that message coordination are perpetrating a gross malfeasance upon their audiences. They are grossly abusing their positions. Censoring and controlling, the very OPPOSITE of what “journalism” used to be about. It ought to be criminal. It should be punished as if it were.
The members of Journo-List / Cabalist are severely lacking any professional ethics. They are scum, seeking to rule us all by controlling our news. They helped deliver the Fraud in Chief, by utterly failing to do their duty as “journalists”.

rayra on September 9, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Jazz, that sure was a lot of words to answer a very simple question. Your title query, “When Did Reporting Become Trolling?” was, as you noted above, fully answered half way through by David Weigel himself.

It wasn’t trolling. It was reporting.

Here was his exact quote:

“Regarding ‘trolling,’ ” Weekly Standard reporter John McCormack told me via email, “I think the word ‘reporting’ would be better.”* I agree.

End of story.

So, the only question should be, why did he publish the piece under a title that strongly suggested otherwise?

I guess the only credible answer is that David would not have been very popular with the Slate crowd had he published a piece without all the diversionary and risibly strained definitions, and under a far more accurate title . . . “Democrats Got Their Butts Repeatedly Booted In Charlotte.”

I thought for a minute I was watching a re-run of the Michigan/Alabama game!

* By the way, the asterisk was David’s, which he used to post the following correction:

Correction, Sept. 7, 2012: This article oroginally referred to John McCormack as a reporter for the Washington Times. (my emphasis supplied)

Don’t you just love it when a “correction” posted in a fancy-dancy publication itself contains a glaring error?

No, I never have come across the word “oroginally” either! But it sure sounds funky. The closest my unabridged comes is Orogenic which has something to do with the late 19th Century theories on the non-volcanic origin of mountains.

Trochilus on September 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Did he actully say that of the 15,000 newsies at the DNC Conv., 14,980 did not give a damn about the Dem Platform? That would mean to me that they demonstrated quite clearly that they no longer report ‘news events or happenings’ that they ‘give a damn’ about.

Foolish me, I thought they should report news and let readers/listeners/watchers interpret the news. I guess I’ll continue to switch channels immediately when most of the ‘newsies’ come on, because I already know their bias and could use the time to get a cup of coffee.

dahni on September 10, 2012 at 11:16 AM

This makes no sense.

He’s a liberal! He suffers from cognitive dissonance!

Dr. Demento on September 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM