Video: Rand Paul sees a Libertarian future for the GOP

posted at 7:46 pm on September 9, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Senator Rand Paul was singing a bit of a different tune on the weekend shows than he was at the convention. On ABC’s This Week he told George Stephanopoulos that it might be time to look at candidates outside the social conservative base if there is ever hope to pull in some seats currently seen as “safe” for liberal Democrats. Let’s go straight to the video.

Rand Paul: “You know, what I’ve been talking to leaders in the national Republican Party about is, there’s certain parts of the country we’ve given up on. The whole west coast and New England. What I keep telling them is, maybe we need some libertarian type Republicans who might be popular in those areas. Maybe a less aggressive, more socially tolerant but still fiscally conservative policy that may be more libertarian. Might do better in California, might do better in Oregon and Washington and New England, and I think if we had that it would be a great strategy. Our problem in the presidential election is we’ve given up 150 electoral votes before we even get started.”

As I noted above, this is a bit different than his presentation at the convention, as Politico noted.

Rand Paul did not hoist the flag high for the libertarian cause Wednesday.

The Kentucky senator instead used his prime-time speech at the Republican National Convention to play footsie with the GOP establishment and offer support for “our nominee:” Mitt Romney.

Paul then focused on areas of agreement between conservatives and supporters of his father Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign: antipathy toward Obama, opposition to the federal health care law, support for the Keystone XL pipeline and alarm about the national debt.

“There’s only one option left,” he said. “We have to have a new president.”

Is Rand Paul signaling support for some sort of “third way” a la Bill Clinton? Perhaps there is some shifting going on under the covers, particularly after Mitt Romney appeared to walk back some of his talk about a full repeal of Obamacare on the same weekend.

“I’m not getting rid of all of health care reform. Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I’m going to put in place,” he said on NBC’s “Meet The Press. “One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like.”

The remarks could have huge implications as they signal a marked shift from Romney’s strong, unequivocal support for full repeal of the Affordable Care Act, which he has consistently held since the Republican primaries.

Perhaps there’s a hint of change on the wind? Here’s the video of Paul’s speech from the convention for comparison, lest we forget.

Is this something new? Or just… “nuance?”


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“I’m not getting rid of all of health care reform.

I am. I am not willing to pay more in taxes or my own healthcare costs in order to insure other people. I’m sick of being taxed.

And enough with the libetard bs. We are struggling to win this election and you libernutters are already trying to split the vote.

Blake on September 9, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Romney receiving the nomination is why I switched parties to Libertarian.

Indian Outlaw on September 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

I’d much rather have true fiscal conservatives as opposed to busy body social conservatives. But let’s be honest, mittens is neither.

MoreLiberty on September 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Maybe a less aggressive, more socially tolerant but still fiscally conservative policy that may be more libertarian.

We keep hearing about these creatures, but where do you find them in actual politics? When they get into office they usually turf the fiscal conservatism when it gets in any way difficult.

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Nuance, but what a way to stir the pot.

This should be fun for the libs and ABR nutballs. Another thing they can get in bed with each other on.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

The chirping sectaries …

patricius on September 9, 2012 at 7:56 PM

HELL YEAH!!! SECONDED!!!

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

There is this thing called the Libertarian Party, Rand. They espouse precisely this socially moderate / liberal, fiscally conservative third-way. Feel free to join it.

In the meantime, I’ll be goin’ socially conservative, economically populist.

Stoic Patriot on September 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Once you pass on socially conservative ideals, there is no conservative left. When you abandon the family, you abandon fiscal conservative and you abandon security conservative. The family unit is the base line for any of it to work. It is where the children are taught the realities of life. Two gays are not going to care much about future America, they will leave nothing to future America to care about. An aborted child is not going to be able to wear a uniform effectively, not as well as a child raised in a two parent home where they learn loyalty and love.

It can work for a while, but that whole socially promiscuous thing has never worked for any society for long.

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM

There’s a world of difference between “reproductive choice” and smoking pot.

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM

We keep hearing about these creatures, but where do you find them in actual politics? When they get into office they usually turf the fiscal conservatism when it gets in any way difficult.

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Says a man from a faction of the party that has no problem with national bankruptcy, both moral and fiscal, so long as THEY’RE the ones over seeing it.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Watch the video from the DNC on how everyone is pro-chose on abortion but no-choice on everything else. From light bulbs to union membership. The Right needs to push this but it is weak, As soon as they say “well you are not pro-choice on abortion” the arguments is over as the right does not push back that they are pro-choices libertarian on every other human activity when the the life of the unborn is not in question.

tjexcite on September 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

He lost the election right there stating he won’t get rid of it all. The base is now discouraged. Way to go mitt!

mrscullen on September 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Says a man from a faction of the party that has no problem with national bankruptcy, both moral and fiscal, so long as THEY’RE the ones over seeing it.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM

What are you babbling about?

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Sorry faux conservatives but Rombama isn’t a politician whose going to respect the constitution or rein in our bloated government. I’m not voting for him.

MoreLiberty on September 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I’ll be goin’ socially conservative, economically populist.

Stoic Patriot on September 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

So you’re a Huckabee man?

It can work for a while, but that whole socially promiscuous thing has never worked for any society for long.

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM

The government can’t make for strong families. The fact is that ending welfare and the war on drugs would do more to strengthen the nuclear family in America than any amount of morality legislating.

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM

It’s not just pot, people should be free to ruin their chances at a high paying job with whatever substances they want to get involved in.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM

There is no Libertarian wing in the Democratic Party. Liberty is never mentioned by Democrats.

Grunt on September 9, 2012 at 8:03 PM

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I’m babbling about your lie that fiscally conservative, socially moderate politicans don’t exist.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Sorry faux conservatives but Rombama isn’t a politician whose going to respect the constitution or rein in our bloated government. I’m not voting for him.

MoreLiberty on September 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Freudian slip?

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I’m not voting for him.

MoreLiberty on September 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

More Liberty will have less with Obama..

Electrongod on September 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

He lost the election right there stating he won’t get rid of it all. The base is now discouraged. Way to go mitt!

mrscullen on September 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

You speak for no one but yourself.

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

It’s not just pot, people should be free to ruin their chances at a high paying job with whatever substances they want to get involved in.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Heh.

I think we are in the same camp.

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

More Liberty will have less with Obama..

Electrongod on September 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

He doesn’t care. He just hates Romney. He’d rather Obama win.

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

So you’re a Huckabee man?

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Yup. If I were to list my favorites of potential POTUS prospects in the GOP right now, it’d be something along the lines of:

1.) Huckabee
2.) Santorum
3.) Palin
4.) Jindal
5.) Gingrich
6.) Perry
7.) Bachmann

There’s other candidates who I regard as shrug-my-shoulders acceptable (e.g. Rubio), but those are the ones that capture my attention.

Stoic Patriot on September 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I’m babbling about your lie that fiscally conservative, socially moderate politicans don’t exist.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

They are extremely rare and usually default to their liberal tendencies when push comes to shove.

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Yeah, sort of an anything goes every man for himself big government isolationist fiscal conservative free contraceptive approach. It could have legs.

Curtiss on September 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Crazy as his old man.

socalcon on September 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Sorry faux conservatives but Rombama isn’t a politician whose going to respect the constitution or rein in our bloated government. I’m not voting for him.

MoreLiberty on September 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Being anti-Semitic and wanting your drugs legal doesn’t make you a conservative. It makes you a Paulbot.

The Notorious G.O.P on September 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Rand’s simply stirring the pot. Anyone with half a brain knows that if a third-party candidate were to run, Obama wins by default.

Plus we’re getting to the point where if anyone WANTED to run third-party, their options for getting on ballots – any ballots – are quickly dwindling to zero. Many absentee ballots are already starting to be printed.

And no, Gary Johnson is not the way to go.

Myron Falwell on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

mittens/lyinryan continue to suck! go gary johnson!

Pragmatic on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

And no, Gary Johnson is not the way to go.

Myron Falwell on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

You just broke FloatingRock and Armin’s heart.

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

The government can’t make for strong families. The fact is that ending welfare and the war on drugs would do more to strengthen the nuclear family in America than any amount of morality legislating.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Read some of my other posts, you will see I totally agree with you. Those programs are social tinkering that destroys families and communities.

I also agree with your take on drugs. I think people should be free to destroy their lives. Companies be allowed to drug test and discriminate against anyone for what ever reason they want. It is called free association, and the constitution says we the people have that as a right.

Social security makes the choice to not get married and have children less valuable. To not properly educate those children less damaging to your long term welfare. Having a child put on ssi is the epitome of success for many families.

Then again, I do think the government should prohibit abortion. A life is a life. Taking a life is murder.

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

“One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like.”

This is the libertarian way? I think he must be talking about some non ObamaCare way to open markets up for these things.

Buddahpundit on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

and right on cue, Pragmatic, the mental patient, gets his 30 minutes of daily internet time.

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

hmmmm. no wonder Sarah’s been so nice to RP’s followers.

gotta start making plans for what comes after november kids. junior is.

renalin on September 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

hmmmm. no wonder Sarah’s been so nice to RP’s followers.

gotta start making plans for what comes after november kids

. junior is.

renalin on September 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Getting a new blow up doll?

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Oh, that was Mitt. Yeah, we knew he’d fold.

Buddahpundit on September 9, 2012 at 8:13 PM

gotta start making plans for what comes after november kids. junior is.

renalin on September 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

If Obama wins, it won’t matter anyway. So there.

Myron Falwell on September 9, 2012 at 8:13 PM

And no, Gary Johnson is not the way to go.

Myron Falwell on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

You just broke FloatingRock and Armin’s heart.

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Awww. Lol.

Myron Falwell on September 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

so i take it you like free stuff. i prefer freedom.

renalin on September 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

so i take it you like free stuff. i prefer freedom.

renalin on September 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Where’d you get that from? Feel free to shove your head in the sand during the election, nutter.

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

You speak for no one but yourself.

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Maybe. The problem is that, addressing the gay scout issue while avoiding the Chick-fil-A contretemps, keeping the conservative wing of the party offstage, and going so far as to neglect to mention our forces overseas during the biggest speech of his career don’t lend themselves to enthusiastic support by a large number of inherently motivated supporters.

wolfsDad on September 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

There is this thing called the Libertarian Party, Rand. They espouse precisely this socially moderate / liberal, fiscally conservative third-way. Feel free to join it.

Stoic Patriot on September 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

We have a two-party system. The identity of those parties is not likely to change when the predominate issue of the third is legalizing pot so the morons who call themselves libertarians are not criminals sitting on a couch in their mom’s basement. They are just losers.

Seriously, libertarians may have a point on some issues but they are completely off base when it comes to things like national security, international affairs, and realistic solutions.

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

He lost the election right there stating he won’t get rid of it all. The base is now discouraged. Way to go mitt!

mrscullen on September 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

You speak for no one but yourself.

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Exactly. I’m anything BUT discouraged!

annoyinglittletwerp on September 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Then again, I do think the government should prohibit abortion. A life is a life. Taking a life is murder.

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I actually do agree that it’s murder. But I don’t think the national populace would ever agree to ending this particular form of murder. What is needed is a nation wide flowering of the moral conscience that can’t be legislated in to existance. In the mean time, and some would call it bitter cynicism, I just don’t think it’s worth losing important elections over.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

preexisting conditions dude. try and keep up.

renalin on September 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

By next week Mitt will be promoting his new plan not repeal marxist care at all, just tweak it.

bgibbs1000 on September 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I’d much rather have true fiscal conservatives as opposed to busy body social conservatives.

MoreLiberty on September 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

.
Why can’t an individual conservative politician be both?

listens2glenn on September 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

preexisting conditions dude. try and keep up.

renalin on September 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

CUDA@@22222!!!11

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

By next week Mitt will be promoting his new plan not repeal marxist care at all, just tweak it.

bgibbs1000 on September 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Whine whine whine

wargamer6 on September 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

A GOP with a libertarian bent that includes legalizing drugs,abandoning marriage between a man and a woman, and an anti-Israel,pro-Muslim platform will lose a hell of a lot more than 115 electoral votes!

redware on September 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Your bitter stereotyping is worse than the liberal slanders against conservatives and just as hyperbolous. For the record, ending the illegal and unconstitutional Federal Reserve criminal racket is THE ISSUE of our time and the number one reason to support the libertarian cause. The fact that so-called conservatives don’t give a rip about the rule of law with regards to the most important issue facing the nation can’t be so easily covered up with such libels.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

OH BOY!

KOOLAID2 on September 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

I actually do agree that it’s murder. But I don’t think the national populace would ever agree to ending this particular form of murder. What is needed is a nation wide flowering of the moral conscience that can’t be legislated in to existance. In the mean time, and some would call it bitter cynicism, I just don’t think it’s worth losing important elections over.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I do not vote on the issue myself. But two equally good candidates, it would be a deciding factor if they differed.

Right now, I am more interested in getting rid of welfare for the seniors. Saw they did a review of the old and found out the over 65 population of workers is increasing. Giving lie to the notion that social security is needed. They can all work well into their 70′s like my grandmother did. Or they can retire young like other people do, on their own wealth creation.

I would like that 25% of my paycheck that goes to supporting other people’s families to be available to me to allow me to help my family more.

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

an anti-Israel,pro-Muslim platform will lose a hell of a lot more than 115 electoral votes!

redware on September 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Libertarian thought has nothing to do, and wants nothing to do with religion, major rhetoric fail. Also, getting government out of the marriage business abandons nothing and allows churches to discriminate as they see fit while allowing the degenerates to do their thing in whatever “sacred” ceremony will accept them. Win-win my good man.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Want a libertarian future? Quit working. The socialist welfare state COLLAPSES without us.

Of course, they will try forced labor camps before that…

wildcat72 on September 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM

How does electing a few Libertarians in New York or California translate into electoral votes? What Rand said doesn’t even make any sense.

lowandslow on September 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

How can Paul say that more libertarian politicians are the ticket on the West Coast when California used to be Reagan’s California and the thing that changed was all these “socially conservative” immigrants from Mexico moved there? We know that even the liberals in California don’t go for the homosexual marriage, so who exactly does he think he’s going to win over there? The dopers?

Buddahpundit on September 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

For the record, ending the illegal and unconstitutional Federal Reserve criminal racket is THE ISSUE of our time and the number one reason to support the libertarian cause. The fact that so-called conservatives don’t give a rip about the rule of law with regards to the most important issue facing the nation can’t be so easily covered up with such libels.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Funny how it is pot and not the Federal Reserve that comes up whenever two or more “Libertarians” gather to worship the racist idiot Ron Paul. Come back with this argument when the facts match up to your mythology.

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

The identity of those parties is not likely to change when the predominate issue of the third is legalizing pot so the morons who call themselves libertarians are not criminals sitting on a couch in their mom’s basement. They are just losers.

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Your bitter stereotyping is…

Dead on as you proceed to prove.

For the record, ending the illegal and unconstitutional Federal Reserve criminal racket is THE ISSUE of our time and the number one reason to support the libertarian cause.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Smoking pot or using drugs is not any rational list as THE ISSUE of our time. Some of us think the out of control debt might be a somewhat more important concern.

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

How does electing a few Libertarians in New York or California translate into electoral votes? What Rand said doesn’t even make any sense.

lowandslow on September 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

The nut doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

By next week Mitt will be promoting his new plan not repeal marxist care at all, just tweak it.

bgibbs1000 on September 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Which people will say, OK, why should we vote for someone who is going to keep legistation that we don’t like; might as well vote for the man that it’s named after.

mrscullen on September 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM

In other words…

“If we can only get illegal aliens to vote for Republicans, we will do alright!”

Seven Percent Solution on September 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM

The older I get the more libertarian I become. Other than abortion, some drugs, and certain animal “rights”, government has little to no place getting involved in the moral choices people make.

McDuck on September 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Actually, I HAVE BEEN to many libertarian gatherings where no drugs were anywhere in sight or in any one’s system. So, again, I must call you out on your lies. As for Ron Paul’s race-realism, actions speak louder than words – and as such I must declare that anyone who supports legislation that disproportionately imprisons black people, tears apart their families, denies them gainful employment, and makes them permanent wards of the state is more racist than one who utters a few unkind words to like minded folk.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Democrats always come together no matter what. Clinton and Obama can’t stand each other but there they are uniting their party. And not one damn thing either one of them will say from this point forward will turn them against their mission to defeat us. We, on the other hand will turn against each other in a heartbeat. wawawawa….Mittens just said he wont entirely repeal obamacare…I’m gonna vote for Gary Johnson even though he wants little kids to smoke pot. Unbeleivable. For one damn second do any of you at least consider that he’s trying to draw in the idiot moderate independents. For God’s sake he’s the only one between us and Obama now. Pull together or go cry in your crap in a couple months.

Robb on September 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Maybe a less aggressive, more socially tolerant but still fiscally conservative policy that may be more libertarian.

Yes, you see, because socially tolerant libertarian voters can’t tolerate voting for socially conservative candidates.

Knott Buyinit on September 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Which people will say, OK, why should we vote for someone who is going to keep legistation that we don’t like; might as well vote for the man that it’s named after.

mrscullen on September 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Exactly.

bgibbs1000 on September 9, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Some of us think the out of control debt might be a somewhat more important concern.

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

You do realize that deficit spending only took off once the last linkage between the dollar and gold was severed in 1971, right? Or were you just speaking from ignorance? You do realize that fiat currency is tachnically illegal, right? And would you deny that the Federal Reserve is THE facilitator of our debased fiat printing? Logically it would therefore follow that the Fed is THE facilitaor of the debt. Check and mate, my friend.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:38 PM

I wish Rand was right. It’s not about social issues.

It’s about a left wing ideology that has spread through a country.

November will a choice between ‘makers’ and ‘takers’

Whoever wins will win the direction of our country. I have confidence in American voters who are ‘makers’.

Redford on September 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Democrats always come together no matter what. Clinton and Obama can’t stand each other but there they are uniting their party. And not one damn thing either one of them will say from this point forward will turn them against their mission to defeat us. We, on the other hand will turn against each other in a heartbeat. wawawawa….Mittens just said he wont entirely repeal obamacare…I’m gonna vote for Gary Johnson even though he wants little kids to smoke pot. Unbeleivable. For one damn second do any of you at least consider that he’s trying to draw in the idiot moderate independents. For God’s sake he’s the only one between us and Obama now. Pull together or go cry in your crap in a couple months.

Robb on September 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Nice analysis, but as long as Mitt is out there playing catchup liberalism with his opponent he’s never going to win.

bgibbs1000 on September 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

For one damn second do any of you at least consider that he’s trying to draw in the idiot moderate independents.

For one damn second would you at least consider that he was trying to draw in the idiot conservative vote with his empty talk about conservatism that is NOT reflected in his record?

Can you consider that possibility?

For God’s sake he’s the only one between us and Obama now.

Robb on September 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

What does that even mean if he is going to maintain Obama’s legislative agenda intact? How is he between us and Obama?

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 8:42 PM

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Yup, right now as we speak, the FED is printing hundreds of billions of dollars to buy government bonds from investors at inflated prices, putting those bonds on the sidelines while the federal government auctions more bonds to those same investors, who then can sell those bonds to the FED at an inflated price. A circle jerk of epic proportions in order to keep the consequences of socialism from being levied against those most responsible for it.

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 8:43 PM

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Actually, I HAVE BEEN to many libertarian gatherings where no drugs were anywhere in sight or in any one’s system. So, again, I must call you out on your lies.

No, this isn’t a must. This is you upset that I’m telling the truth. The keystone of the movement is not the Federal Reserve or smaller government. It is about getting “the man” out of your ability to smoke pot. You know it, I know it. Why ignore that aspect of the movement?

As for Ron Paul’s race-realism, actions speak louder than words – and as such I must declare that anyone who supports legislation that disproportionately imprisons black people, tears apart their families, denies them gainful employment, and makes them permanent wards of the state is more racist than one who utters a few unkind words to like minded folk.

I don’t have a clue what the hell you are talking about. All I know is that Ron Paul would turn over American soldiers to foriegn governments for trial if their actions are against some international standard. He would make this nation isolationist. He would destroy our nation. So if that means black people are less harmed by legalizing pot, it really is not a fair trade.

Are you a moron in real life or do you just play one on the blogs?

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM

You do realize that deficit spending only took off once the last linkage between the dollar and gold was severed in 1971, right? Or were you just speaking from ignorance? You do realize that fiat currency is tachnically illegal, right? And would you deny that the Federal Reserve is THE facilitator of our debased fiat printing? Logically it would therefore follow that the Fed is THE facilitaor of the debt. Check and mate, my friend.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:38 PM

What does any of that have to do with pot and Cheetos, which I am told is THE ISSUE of our time?

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM

…particularly after Mitt Romney appeared to walk back some of his talk about a full repeal of Obamacare on the same weekend.

Um, hello – McFly? He’s been saying this since day one.

Again, for the bazillionth time – Romney is NOT going to repeal Obamacare, got it?

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 8:43 PM

You’re making too much sense for some of the folks around here.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Seriously, libertarians may have a point on some issues but they are completely off base when it comes to things like national security, international affairs, and realistic solutions.

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

yeah …

conservative tarheel on September 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM

This is supernaturally revealed truth, good buddy. Good on you to state it.

These amoral perverts trying to dress up their sins in a silk gown make me sick. Even more than donkeys, who are at least out front about what they believe.

It’s all summed up in the phrase, my farts don’t stink. Well, as a matter of fact they do. Bad.

platypus on September 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Romney receiving the nomination is why I switched parties to Libertarian.

Indian Outlaw on September 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Another libertarian who doesn’t understand libertarianism. And libertarianism is pretty simple to get.

thuja on September 9, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Again with the BS about Romney’s healthcare statement.

From NRO

I reached out to the Romney campaign for clarification about Mitt Romney’s remarks this morning about liking some parts of Obamacare. An aide pointed out that Romney first said on Meet the Press that “I say we are going to replace Obamacare. And I am replacing it with my own plan.”

In reference to how Romney would deal with those with preexisting conditions and young adults who want to remain on their parents’ plans, a Romney aide responded that there had been no change in Romney’s position and that “in a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for. He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features.”

bluealice on September 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I never denied that ending the war on drugs was part of the libertarian cause, it is in fact a key component. Your lies consist in in your insistance that ALL of us partake of such idiocy and only use any other issue as a cover for it. This is why I have declared you to be as unapologetically dishonest and hyperbolous in your rhetoric as any liberal and I wouldn’t be surprised if you were a life long democrat before “discovering” conservatism.

sharrukin on September 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM

You never responded to your previous correcting so why bother with another?

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I’d much rather have true fiscal conservatives as opposed to busy body social conservatives. But let’s be honest, mittens is neither.

MoreLiberty on September 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Show me a politician who claims to be fiscally conservative but socially moderate, and I’ll show you a politician who will cave in EVERY TIME on fiscal issues. With no social principles, fiscal principles cannot exist.

Freelancer on September 9, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Nice analysis, but as long as Mitt is out there playing catchup liberalism with his opponent he’s never going to win.

bgibbs1000 on September 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

He’s never going to win if we bail on him every time he says something we dont like. He’s gotta count on us then collect everyone else. If he has to keep plugging up holes in our ranks then forget it. Its about winning this election. You think liberals are entirely happy with Obama. Hell, they think he hasnt been libetal enough. But they got his back to keep us from the WH.

Robb on September 9, 2012 at 8:49 PM

*********************RED ALERT************************8

Jupiter, Fla. officer killed in accident while escorting Obama presidential motorcade in West Palm Beach – WPTV

30 mins ago from http://www.wptv.com by editor

Posted: 09/09/2012
Last Updated: 18 minutes ago

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_palm_beach_county/west_palm_beach/police-officer-injured-in-accident-while-escorting-obama-presidential-motorcade-in-west-palm-beach

canopfor on September 9, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Again, for the bazillionth time – Romney is NOT going to repeal Obamacare, got it?

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

That’s not what he said at his barely watched convention.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Again, for the bazillionth time – Romney is NOT going to repeal Obamacare, got it?

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Again, for the bazillionth time, yes he will. He says it in EVERY campaign speech.
Just keep flukin that chicken. It’ll make you feel better.

bluealice on September 9, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Why is Jazz constantly trying to sow discord among conservatives?

steebo77 on September 9, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Right now, I am more interested in getting rid of welfare for the seniors. Saw they did a review of the old and found out the over 65 population of workers is increasing. Giving lie to the notion that social security is needed. They can all work well into their 70′s like my grandmother did. Or they can retire young like other people do, on their own wealth creation.

I would like that 25% of my paycheck that goes to supporting other people’s families to be available to me to allow me to help my family more.

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

sure just pay me back the 35 years I have paid into it (with interest)
and let me invest my money to take care of myself …

conservative tarheel on September 9, 2012 at 8:51 PM

R2-12

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 8:51 PM

While anti-American morons like abobo fight for thier “right” to light up cannabis without being hassled by the man-

A police officer was killed while part of Obama’s motorcade. The sum total of a response from the White House was:

White House press secretary Jay Carney says the president was notified of the officer’s death and “our thoughts and prayers are with the officer’s family.”

You would think the rat-eared bastard could show a little bit more empathy than that.

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:51 PM

You’re making too much sense for some of the folks around here.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

You know what my plan is for making social security solvent…

Take the current earnings of your children and grandchildren, multiply by 0.1, add in 10% of the national average income. The social security tax would be 14%. Do the math.

astonerii on September 9, 2012 at 8:51 PM

What is socially conservative, anymore?

It amounts to being against abortion on demand, and gay marriage.

That’s pretty much what it has been reduced to.

In fact you can be reasonably pro-choice, and against gay marriage and still be classified as socially conservative, according to some in the democratic party.

Let’s poll for gay marriage opposition and pro-life vs. getting rid of Social Security and Medicare. We’ll see who wins.

By the way, there’s nothing inherently libertarian about being pro-life or pro-choice. If you think abortion is the taking of a human life, trampling on someone else’s rights (an unbron baby)-you can be against it and still be libertarian, the same as all libertarians are opposed to any other crime against life or limb.

Rand Paul is a boob. Same as the old man. A somewhat different kind of boob, but a boob nonetheless.

Dreadnought on September 9, 2012 at 8:52 PM

An aide pointed out that Romney first said on Meet the Press that “I say we are going to replace Obamacare. And I am replacing it with my own plan.”

Ok, which part of that is “repeal”? ROFL, yay, tweak it so Romney can run it the way *he* sees fit – you know, until such time as a Democrat takes office again and changes it into Obamacare on steroids, etc.

No. NO.

REPEAL. THAT. THING.

Do not ‘tweak’, do not ‘replace with my own plan’, etc.

Holy WTF this pisses me off.

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Ugh. I’m not exactly a member of Paul Junior’s fan club (although he’s more tolerable than Paul Senior), and snubbing conservatives in favor of his libertine libertarian buddies really irks me… but at the same time, Romney really brought this upon himself. I usually try to be optimistic about our party, if not our country as a whole, but in this case I can see nothing but sheer idiocy on all sides.

…make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage.

^This completely defeats the purpose of paying for insurance while still healthy. In a best case scenario, requiring coverage of pre-existing conditions would result in a huge spike in premiums… and in the worst case, it would make insurance companies unable to even continue operating, in which case it’s only a matter of time before we can say hello to the leftist dream of “single-payer” health care. I’m not sure what’s worse–the unlikely possibility that Romney truly doesn’t understand this, or the more likely possibility that he does understand but pretends otherwise in order to appeal to the squishy middle.

Mr. Prodigy on September 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Again, for the bazillionth time – Romney is NOT going to repeal Obamacare, got it?

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Again, for the bazillionth time, yes he will. He says it in EVERY campaign speech.
Just keep flukin that chicken. It’ll make you feel better.

bluealice on September 9, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I believe Romney has stated he intends to issue waivers to all states
to get out of Obamacare ….

conservative tarheel on September 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM

canopfor on September 9, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Yeah, they got bad drivers out there.

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM

R2-12

davidk on September 9, 2012 at 8:51 PM

There ya go. Today has been excruciating on Hot Air. WTH. Why are we still fghting the primaries. My guy didn’t win, but I am now a full fledged, card carrying Mittbot. And proud of it.
A fine and honorable man. We could do a lot worse.

bluealice on September 9, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Want a libertarian future? Quit working. The socialist welfare state COLLAPSES without us. Of course, they will try forced labor camps before that… wildcat72 on September 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Quit working. I like that, ala John Galt. I was thinking about that today while working in the vineyard.

What if our Marxist in Chief was re-elected. Maybe, just maybe we’ve reached the point that the straw has broke the camels back. The point where the consumers extort the producers by majority. The thing that will bring it to it’s knees is another 4 years of the same ol’ same ol’. (If you watch Obama’s speech at the convention that is what he promised.) Then back it up with 8 years of Hillary. All the while the producers pulling a John Galt.

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome.” –(Attributed to) Benjamin Franklin

I don’t to many pinko’s that think about liberty. They just think about themselves. I doubt the wolves are well armed and I know my kid won’t shoot civilians.

BTW I think social conservatives should start thier own party. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative is (I would bet) the overwhelming majority of Americans.

Oh yeah, it’s already starting in France.

old school on September 9, 2012 at 8:54 PM

abobo on September 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Your lies consist of the fact that you claim that there would be a Libertarian Party if the potheads were factored out of the mix.

We have a movement that is concerned with fiscal responsibility, it is the Tea Party. Remove legalizing pot and Ron Paul’s cult is mightly slim. Deal with that before you start attacking honest bloggers like me you America-hating moron!!!

Happy Nomad on September 9, 2012 at 8:55 PM

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