An “Obama bounce”… in gun sales?

posted at 12:31 pm on September 9, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

What with all of the Keynesian-ish methods with which President Obama has tried and spectacularly failed to stimulate the economy and to provide boosts to various politically-favored economic sectors, I have to confess that it’s just the tiniest bit gratifying that one of the few industries coming through the economic downturn with superbly flying colors is probably the one industry that many hardcore liberals would like to see shut down altogether. In 2008, gun sales surged after President Obama’s election, part of the explanation for which was that people feared a progressive gun-control crackdown. It was quite the healthy bounce for the world of firearms, except that the bounce hasn’t let up — at all.

Although nothing too drastic has come out of the current administration in terms of gun regulations (alas, but for that dastardly NRA and their horrid lobbying money preventing us from having a real conversation about firearms in this country, oh the humanity!), it seems that the prospect of a second Obama term (in which he’ll no longer be thinking about reelection and will hence have more, cough cough, “flexibility”) isn’t doing anything to quell the boom.  CNBC reports that the gun industry has seen sustained high sales during Obama’s tenure, and is still going more than strong as we wend our way towards November:

Smith & Wesson stock Friday was zooming, thanks to a stellar earnings report. The firearms maker also boosted its outlook for the rest of the year. Because of the strong business, its backlog of orders more than doubled from the same quarter last year, the company is concentrating on boosting production and building inventory.

“We are underserving the market at this moment, we all know that, and that’s a great opportunity going forward for us,” CEO James Debney said in a conference call with analysts.

And another gun maker, Sturm, Ruger & Co., also hit a milestone of sorts in terms of meeting consumer demand. It produced its one-millionth gun of the year…well ahead of last year’s pace.

“It took us nearly all of 2011 to build one million firearms, but in 2012 we accomplished it on August 15th,” said Ruger President and CEO Mike Fifer in a statement. …

“I should put Obama’s picture on the wall up there,” said one New Jersey gun salesman, asking not to be identified. “I’d name him salesman of the month!”

Besides the possible cultural explanation that gun ownership is simply becoming more acceptable (bipartisanship, huzzah!) and that shooting sports are becoming more popular, there’s also the theory that the terrible economy itself is fueling people’s fears of extreme-survival scenarios, and they’re taking precautions. Either way, because of President Obama directly or because of the awful economy he’s fomented, the liberals’ hero has been a catalyst for gun sales like no other. I do so hope the irony isn’t lost on them.

The Democratic National Committee’s platform at their convention last week was pretty iffy as to their gun-related agenda, but most definitely left the door open for further gun-control measures — here’s what they had to say, for your interpretation:

Firearms. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans’ Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements—like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole—so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.


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Sanity has no place in this thread. Didn’t you hear?

MJBrutus on September 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Apparently not, since you two don’t seem to want to leave.

Dunedainn on September 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

So I’m an a$$ for pointing out the fact that Romney has banned guns, and Obama has not?

FloatingRock on September 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Nah, you are an idiot for being an ignorant fool.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Let’s just say that I’ve decided to be extra prepared no matter which way the election turns out in November.

1) I don’t really trust either of them, though I trust Romney slightly more.
2) If Obama wins, the doors to the treasury get kicked fully open, and the economy *will* go belly up in fairly short order – it’s unsustainable.
3) if Romney wins, the economy/debt are unsustainable anyway, so there’s a slightly smaller probability that things will go belly up in the near future – but the immediate need for self-defense will be from the folks reacting negatively to a) their Savior being ousted by all us racists, and b) diminishment of their goodies as the tax coffers dry up and borrowing from foreign lenders ends and inflation begins to skyrocket.

Really, no matter who wins this election, we’re in for some ugly crap in the next few/several years, guys.

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

get a grip and stop giving gun manufacturers undeserved $.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

BallisticBob on September 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

LOL .. Mentioned this thread to hubby, and he said : Zero’s legacy is millions of weapons created or saved !

pambi on September 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

A tank or a fighter jet? Those are the usual idiotic examples that get brought.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Stupid examples too.

You want to buy a Tank or a Fighter Jet?

SWalker on September 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

get a grip and stop start giving gun manufacturers undeserved deservedeasy $.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Now we’re talking liberty.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

what i mean is that gun manufacturers are profiting from a false sense of insecurity from obama reelection\defeat.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

You might consider a Taurus Judge, just for the house. It will fire a .45 bullet or a .410 shot shell.

Special Forces Grunt on September 9, 2012 at 1:19 PM

I’ve got a Taurus .38, but the trigger is a little hard to pull. I keep that one in the kitchen and the Glock 23 on the nightstand. The S&W .38 is in the car console. In Texas, it’s not “do you have a gun””, it’s “how many do you have?.” The problem I’m having now is finding a concealed carry purse that’s not only functional, but fashionable.

TxAnn56 on September 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

So I’m an a$$ for pointing out the fact that Romney has banned guns, and Obama has not yet?
FloatingRock on September 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

FIFY a little bit. Don’t forget the original purpose of Fast and Furious.

Dunedainn on September 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Sir, it depends on the primary purpose the weapon is to serve. There are target shotguns specific to the disciplines of sporting clays, trap shooting, and skeet shooting. There are hunting types specific to upland game (pheasants, grouse and such) or waterfowl (geese and ducks). And then there are the tactical and defensive shotguns, and they are usually shorter-barreled.

Tactical and defensive shotguns generally are either designed for maximum magazine capacity or compactness. Some of these weapons will hold as many as 9 magnum (3″) rounds in their under barrel tube magazine.

Additionally, there are thee typical actions: break-open guns that may be single barrel – and therefore.single.shot- or two barrel, in either an over/under or side by side configuration; and then there are pump and auto-operating shotguns- single barrel, tube magazine and either ‘pumped’ for each.shot or auto-loaded for each shot after a one-time initial cocking.

Of course, there are shotguns that are jack of all trades types that will serve multiple purposes. In this case you are looking for a twelve or twenty gauge pump or automatic gun with a group of screw-in “chokes”. Chokes go in to the end of the barrel and alter the inch or.so of barrel inner diameter to produce a closer or more open pellet pattern to best serve the intended range of the anticipated target.

For goblins, you want a very ‘open’ choke.

Hope this helps.

M240H on September 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Really, no matter who wins this election, we’re in for some ugly crap in the next few/several years, guys.

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Good enough reason to buy more, nathor aside.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I need help from th HA community.

I am not a gun guy, had a .22 as a kid, but nothing for many years.

I am planning to buy a shotgun, but have no idea about what makes a good shotgun good.

I’d be grateful for any guidance.

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Nobody that knows guns could answer that question, Bruno. It’s like asking what kind of tractor you should buy. Depends on what you want to use it for.

MikeA on September 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Really, no matter who wins this election, we’re in for some ugly crap in the next few/several years, guys.

Midas on September 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

+1

Dunedainn on September 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I am planning to buy a shotgun, but have no idea about what makes a good shotgun good.

I’d be grateful for any guidance.

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

You can’t go wrong with a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500. Both are affordable. I just saw an ad from a local sporting goods store for an 870 combo package (includes a rifled slug barrel and a field barrel for birdshot) for $379, and they also had a Mossberg 500 for $279. The Remington is a nicer gun overall, but the Mossberg is cheaper and will get the job done.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

FloatingRock on September 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

…on ANY thread you’re POINTING OUT Romney!…quit acting like you’re DWS or something!

KOOLAID2 on September 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Good enough reason to buy more, nathor aside.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

whatever, buy the guns, be happy!

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

It’s like asking what kind of tractor you should buy. Depends on what you want to use it for.

MikeA on September 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

That’s an easy question though.

If you cannot get an Oliver, go for an IH.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM

I am planning to buy a shotgun, but have no idea about what makes a good shotgun good.

I’d be grateful for any guidance.

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

If you’re looking for a home defense shotgun, I’d recommend the Mossberg 590 Special Purpose, if you can find one (and I’m sure you can).

Dunedainn on September 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

whatever, buy the guns, be happy!

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

“I have no argument! I surrender!”

Dunedainn on September 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

About all I know is that pump shotguns are constantly vetted as the best for home defense. The distinctive shak-SHICK sound of racking a round can put the fear of God into

And 10-12 gauge buckshot shells will turn a knife-wielding punk or a burglar DRT*, and you don’t have to worry that the pellets will go through the wall and hit someone else in the next room or another house like with a solid slug.

*Dead Right There

As for handguns, revolvers are more reliable than semiautos, but of course there’s the ammo tradeoff. Personally I say get the latter and just remember to keep it clean enough you could take it into a surgery ward.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Well Obama will be able to put some more liberal judges on the supreme court so…. Buy up!

mrscullen on September 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

what i mean is that gun manufacturers are profiting from a false sense of insecurity from obama reelection\defeat.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Yes, we can’t have individuals making voluntary purchasing decisions, what sort of crazy system is that?

Perhaps our elected officials – our moral superiors, can stipulate what products are permissible to purchase with disposable income.

Or the government could just forcibly confiscate the profit and redistribute it to a designated voting bloc/public sector union.

mudskipper on September 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

M240H on September 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

True, but a pump-action 12 or 20 gauge is about the most versatile weapon there is. You can shoot big game with slugs, birds and small game with birdshot, zombies with buckshot, hell, you can even launch distress flares with them.

Bruno, here’s a useful link for you: Cheaper Than Dirt

They usually have some pretty good deals.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

As for handguns, revolvers are more reliable than semiautos, but of course there’s the ammo tradeoff. Personally I say get the latter and just remember to keep it clean enough you could take it into a surgery ward.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

What’s the ammo tradeoff?

MJBrutus on September 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Yes, we can’t have individuals making voluntary purchasing decisions, what sort of crazy system is that?

Perhaps our elected officials – our moral superiors, can stipulate what products are permissible to purchase with disposable income.

Or the government could just forcibly confiscate the profit and redistribute it to a designated voting bloc/public sector union.

mudskipper on September 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

What in the world are you going on about? That isn’t what nathor said at all. He was quite reasonably questioning the rationale of allowing political events to influence one’s gun purchasing decisions. Disagree if you want, but to pretend that he is advocating the kind of crap you spewed is shamelessly dishonest and well, nucking futs!

MJBrutus on September 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I am a strong supporter of Obama’s reelection and regaining control of the house and senate by our progressive masters.

Oh yeah, by the way…

I am a shareholder in Smith&wesson and Sturm Ruger. ;)

evilned on September 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

and you don’t have to worry that the pellets will go through the wall and hit someone else in the next room or another house like with a solid slug.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Wrong, at 20 yards, even the smallest shot will penetrate 1 layer of 3/4″ sheetrock, fiberglass insulation and a second layer of 1/2″ rock with enough force to penetrate a doorskin target. A couple of the wads even went through the interior wall. The buckshot went through an exterior wall (3/4″ rock, insulation 3/4″ chipboard and siding), through a target and could be seen bouncing 150 yards down range.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I live close enough to a certain part of town that I fear whatever the results on election night might be, there could be riots down the street. I hope and pray that nothing happens and that if it does it is easily controlled by the local authorities, but I must prepare for the worst. This is one of my reasons for stocking up.

warden on September 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Let’s see, got a Sig Sauer P250 for my B-day, a .22 for the kids (11, 14, 16 all girls), hubby has a .50 cal, and a .45, couple of shotguns. We’re off to a good start!

Sasha List on September 9, 2012 at 1:52 PM

What’s the ammo tradeoff?

MJBrutus on September 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Revolvers typically hold five or six rounds (although there are .357′s made that hold as many as ten), while double-stack automatics usually hold a minimum of ten.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Ed……
Lets have a poll of ppl who have purchased one or more guns in the last year……
I bought two………;-)

angrymike on September 9, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I built two.

Hammie on September 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Thanks. I thought he/she was some talking about some difference in the quality of ammo and didn’t follow. I own a Ruger revolver myself and I sure hope that 6 rounds would be sufficient if I ever needed to use it.

MJBrutus on September 9, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I am not a gun guy, had a .22 as a kid, but nothing for many years.

I am planning to buy a shotgun, but have no idea about what makes a good shotgun good.

I’d be grateful for any guidance.

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Lots of answers on the Shotgun for protection 12 gauge and larger shot. Far eaiser to hit and it is a lot of power.

But for a pistol the .22 is very powerful with Long Riffle high velocity rounds. Do not get a .25.

Hopefully others that know far more than I do will comment on a cheap but good pistol.

Make sure you fire that Shotgun at least once with 25 rounds. It does have a kick but better a bruised shoulder than dead.

Steveangell on September 9, 2012 at 1:56 PM

What’s the ammo tradeoff?

MJBrutus on September 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Pardon me, I should have said ammo capacity.

It’s not really practical to make revolvers with, say, 14+1 bullets like a Glock. They’d have to enlarge the cylinder to where it would look like you had a grapefruit strapped to your hip. The reliability tradeoff is that if a revolver round is bad, you can try the next cylinder unless that was the last bullet. Whereas with a semiauto you’re in a bit of a jam if the round in the chamber fails. (Pun intended.) This all was pointed out to me in a survival book by an ex-SEAL.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 1:56 PM

My Gunsmith has lots of ‘Thank you’ propaganda up including ‘Salesman of the Decade’.

Personally…I am again buying lots and lots of NORMAL CAPACITY mags.

For yall Brady Bunch people that includes 33 round Glock mags and Drums for the weapons of the assaulting-tactical-ness.

:X

CorporatePiggy on September 9, 2012 at 1:58 PM

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Thanks. I like the simplicity of a revolver. I’ve never needed other than at the gun range and I hope that I never will. However, as the saying goes, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away :-)

MJBrutus on September 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM

what i mean is that gun manufacturers are profiting from a false sense of insecurity from obama reelection\defeat.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Have you seen the price of gold lately?

We have as a president a man that has not problem using a crisis for political gain.

And you sound like Bill O’Reilly moaning about how oil speculators are the reason gas is so expensive.

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Let’s see, got a Sig Sauer P250 for my B-day, a .22 for the kids (11, 14, 16 all girls), hubby has a .50 cal, and a .45, couple of shotguns. We’re off to a good start!

Sasha List on September 9, 2012 at 1:52 PM

My anti-zombie arsenal: Remington 870 12-gauge, Stevens .410, Henry .22 lever action, M1 Garand, Browning Buckmark .22, Springfield XD-9 subcompact 9mm, and a Smith & Wesson 686 SSR .357 magnum. If that won’t get the job done I don’t know what will.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Yes, we can’t have individuals making voluntary purchasing decisions, what sort of crazy system is that?

Perhaps our elected officials – our moral superiors, can stipulate what products are permissible to purchase with disposable income.

Or the government could just forcibly confiscate the profit and redistribute it to a designated voting bloc/public sector union.

mudskipper on September 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

no! buy your gun, enjoy your freedom.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

no! buy your gun, enjoy your freedom.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

We will enjoy our guns, and protect your freedom.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM

What good does exactly to buy a gun that is registered with the state or county you live in?

If it ever came to it wouldn’t the state KNOW you had a gun and you would have to produce it?

PappyD61 on September 9, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Assualt weapons and ammo are excellant alternatives to the worthless paper money that we will be paid with after QE-3.

Buy all you can.

Kuffar on September 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I never owned a handgun until right after obama was elected. I now own three. I have never felt more like my freedom has been in doubt since he assumed office. My next step is to get a conceal carry permit. Get to the range my fellow patriots.

crosshugger on September 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM

IceCold on September 9, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Looks like either a 3″ barrel .38 Special or a .357.

For home defense, I have the Taurus .357, which of course can shoot .38 Special +P. I like that the heavier gun plus the lighter load minimizes the aim problem of recoil. For defense, I’d use a good quality hollow point. I like revolvers because they require less maintenance and don’t jam up.

Also have a Mossberg 12 gauge pump shotgun with the 18″ barrel. This bad boy stays loaded with buckshot.

I don’t carry, as I live now in the mountain wilderness, in a very conservative neck of the woods, and rarely go to the big city any more. But if I did, I’d carry the S&W .38 Special “Bodyguard”. (I’m getting one anyway.) :)

Have a few others for sport, but for home defense, these two are my choice. Shotgun is first choice. But if time or space doesn’t accommodate shotgun, then I go for the revolver.

As others have said, there’s a wealth of info on guns and home defense on the net. First-timers should read up, then find a knowledgeable, trustworthy gun dealer to complete your choices.

petefrt on September 9, 2012 at 2:13 PM

We will enjoy our guns, and protect your freedom.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM

that is what the US army is for, not some chump with a gun.
it will take quite some more time before i consider my army taken over by traitors.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:14 PM

The govt built them/

MrMoe on September 9, 2012 at 2:14 PM

no! buy your gun, enjoy your freedom.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Nathor’s attempt at not coming off as a total nanny-stater prog wanting to protect teh peeps from the big bad corporations!

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:17 PM

that is what the US army is for, not some chump with a gun.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Bless your heart, ain’t you special.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:17 PM

So are people just planning an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected or what? Suddenly the line between terrorist and “freedom fighter” is going to get a lot blurrier for the right.

libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

True, but a pump-action 12 or 20 gauge is about the most versatile weapon there is. You can shoot big game with slugs, birds and small game with birdshot, zombies with buckshot, hell, you can even launch distress flares with them.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Right, the versatility is great. If you live in the country, there may come a day when hunting is the most affordable way to put meat on the table.

petefrt on September 9, 2012 at 2:23 PM

that is what the US army is for, not some chump with a gun.
it will take quite some more time before i consider my army taken over by traitors.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Blind hog finds an acorn.

It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.
It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.
It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.
It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag. (even though said protestor should be hung for treason, IMO)

—Charles M. Province

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 2:23 PM

libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

You haven’t been paying attention, again.

Who has been using violence?

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Nathor’s attempt at not coming off as a total nanny-stater prog wanting to protect teh peeps from the big bad corporations!

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:17 PM

i dont know why giving an advice not to buy guns on makes me a nanny stater. get a grip!

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:23 PM

I haven’t seen anyone mention this but I don’t think people should worry too much about the banning of guns. You should be worried that Zero will sign an executive order that would cause the price of ammo and high-capacity magazines to skyrocket. Banning guns would never get thru the (current) Supreme Court but putting a $100 price tag on a box of .223 or an AR-15 30 round magazine would put a stranglehold on your shooting.

slug on September 9, 2012 at 2:24 PM

So are people just planning an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected or what?

libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Tell me, little libtard, about how much willingness has the right shown to use their guns in such a manner?

Hint: compare it to all the whiners saying that they’d flee the US if Bush won his 2nd term.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM

i dont know why giving an advice not to buy guns on makes me a nanny stater. get a grip!

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Yes, yes. Sure, sure. Now, appealing to your army to protect you… totally not a nanny stater, right bra?

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Read this very carefully. It is very significant.

Another ATF gungrab.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Nathor: Oh, my! Someone’s breaking into my house! I better call the police – it’s their job to protect me!!!

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:28 PM

The one who doesn’t deserve to live free and nathor are the true ignorants. You don’t deserve liberty.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2012 at 2:28 PM

During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King’s tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came.

Three Percenters today do not claim that we represent 3% of the American people, although we might. That theory has not yet been tested. We DO claim that we represent at least 3% of American gun owners, which is still a healthy number somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million people. History, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. We are one such minority. So too are the current enemies of the Founders’ Republic. What remains, then, is the test of will and skill to determine who shall shape the future of our nation.

The Three Percent today are gun owners who will not disarm, will not compromise and will no longer back up at the passage of the next gun control act. Three Percenters say quite explicitly that we will not obey any futher circumscription of our traditional liberties and will defend ourselves if attacked. We intend to maintain our God-given natural rights to liberty and property, and that means most especially the right to keep and bear arms. Thus, we are committed to the restoration of the Founders’ Republic, and are willing to fight, die and, if forced by any would-be oppressor, to kill in the defense of ourselves and the Constitution that we all took an oath to uphold against enemies foreign and domestic.

We are the people that the collectivists who now control the government should leave alone if they wish to continue unfettered oxygen consumption. We are the Three Percent. Attempt to further oppress us at your peril. To put it bluntly, leave us the hell alone. Or, if you feel froggy, go ahead AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.

dirtengineer on September 9, 2012 at 2:29 PM

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM

The “wilding”

The knock out game.

The large groups of inner city youth raiding businesses and terrorizing residents.

Yeah, it the TEA party types the country needs to worry about late on November 6th.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:29 PM

I haven’t seen anyone mention this but I don’t think people should worry too much about the banning of guns. You should be worried that Zero will sign an executive order that would cause the price of ammo and high-capacity magazines to skyrocket. Banning guns would never get thru the (current) Supreme Court but putting a $100 price tag on a box of .223 or an AR-15 30 round magazine would put a stranglehold on your shooting.

slug on September 9, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Our current politicians sure do seem to like to use economic incentives/hindrances. Hmmmm

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:30 PM

libtard, see the shootings in Obama’s very own Chicago neighborhood. No wonder he’s moving back to Hawaii.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM

The Remington is a nicer gun overall, but the Mossberg is cheaper and will get the job done.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Agree about the Mossberg. It is to shotguns what Taurus is to revolvers… reliable work-horse quality at a more affordable price.

petefrt on September 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Lets have a poll of ppl who have purchased one or more guns in the last year……
I bought two………;-)

angrymike on September 9, 2012 at 12:44 PM

This year I purchased an AR-15 pistol. Love it. It joins my two handguns – a Glock 9 and an S&W .357 magnum: both also purchased since O was elected. Definitely a run on the market.

WhatSlushfund on September 9, 2012 at 2:33 PM

“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”

“One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”

Vladimir Lenin & Barak Obama

jukin3 on September 9, 2012 at 2:34 PM

So are people just planning an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected or what? Suddenly the line between terrorist and “freedom fighter” is going to get a lot blurrier for the right.

libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

You can weep all you want honey bunch.

tom daschle concerned on September 9, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Don’t forget to buy your ammo as well, before the gummint gets it all……….

ultracon on September 9, 2012 at 2:37 PM

The “wilding”

The knock out game.

The large groups of inner city youth raiding businesses and terrorizing residents.

Yeah, it the TEA party types the country needs to worry about late on November 6th.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:29 PM

That’s exactly my point. The threat level even from the loudest, dumbest gun-nuts on the right is practically zilch.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 2:37 PM

So are people just planning an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected or what? Suddenly the line between terrorist and “freedom fighter” is going to get a lot blurrier for the right.

libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

We’re not planning an armed insurrection, but we’re prepared to defend ourselves against one if Fauxbama loses and his hordes of zombies come after us.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

This year I purchased an AR-15 pistol. Love it.
WhatSlushfund on September 9, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Which one?

And why?

Overall length?

Control issues?

Thought about converting one but am happy with my short CAR.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

I’m flush as far as weapons and ammo go. Right now, I’m looking for accessible, yet very hard places for LEOs to find. I’ll keep my nice Trap guns and deer rifles in the safe. However all “Back Guns” will be hidden in attic insulation, all the way to AKs behind sheetrock packed in Cosmoline. I can get at all of them w/in 7 minutes.
I will NOT voluntarily hand them over to anybody. And no, I’m not worried about the UN treaty.
AMMO: the new gold!

hutch1200 on September 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

And from the rest of the pro-gunners, the threat level is so low you’d need negative numbers to describe.

Especially, IMHO, those who’ve served in the military and know what they’d be going up against. I suspect that seeing what an American artillery barrage or airstrike can do in person would make you think very carefully about any rev-o-lutionary feelings.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Yes, yes. Sure, sure. Now, appealing to your army to protect you… totally not a nanny stater, right bra?

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:27 PM

humm?
who should protect my freedoms as specified by the constitution then? I give you a hint, the constitution says that the army should do it!

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Nathor: Oh, my! Someone’s breaking into my house! I better call the police – it’s their job to protect me!!!

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:28 PM

I might buy a gun for self defense against petty criminals, but not for defend me of an obama reelection or defeat, that is just stupid.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:43 PM

So are people just planning an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected or what? Suddenly the line between terrorist and “freedom fighter” is going to get a lot blurrier for the right.

libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Actually it’s the other way around: self-protection if Obama gets defeated. Nothing is worse than a man such as yourself, who claims to be educated, and a professor to boot, that ignores the history of what has happened when people didn’t get their way. Like Detroit. Like LA. Or maybe the “killing fields” of some cities, say like Chicago.

Yoop on September 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM

We’re not planning an armed insurrection, but we’re prepared to defend ourselves against one if Fauxbama loses and his hordes of zombies come after us.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

who exactly are these hord of zombies hmm? the occupy idiots?

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

humm?
who should protect my freedoms as specified by the constitution then? I give you a hint, the constitution says that the army should do it!

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM

*shrugs

MeatHeadinCA on September 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM

who exactly are these hord of zombies hmm? the occupy idiots?

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Occupiers, as well as the malcontents who will be angry that no more money will be forthcoming from Fauxbama’s “stash” (aka our tax dollars) because the country is racist or something.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM

So are people just planning an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected or what? Suddenly the line between terrorist and “freedom fighter” is going to get a lot blurrier for the right.
libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Oh, not for armed insurrection; We aren’t going to attack Washington D.C… They are for protecting our homes and fanilies when he gives you moochers the permission to become full scale looters.

LegendHasIt on September 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I need help from th HA community.

I am not a gun guy, had a .22 as a kid, but nothing for many years.

I am planning to buy a shotgun, but have no idea about what makes a good shotgun good.

I’d be grateful for any guidance.

get yourself an 870 Remington

centryt on September 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I purchased my first firearm a couple of weeks ago, a Saiga 12. It came with an adjustable stock and 20 round drum magazine. I am pretty stoked about it. Got to put one drum down range a week ago. I liked it. Still doing a lot of reading about it but I bought it for pretty much one reason. Killin’ zombies.

JAGonzo on September 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Thank you to all the HA posters who answered my shotgun inquiry.

I have several good ideas which I can pursue at a sporting goods store or gun shop.

Regarding comments on usage:

I do not hunt, not do plan to start.

I live in the inner city of a Blue City.

I am thinking prudence trumps regret.

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM

I might buy a gun for self defense against petty criminals, but not for defend me of an obama reelection or defeat, that is just stupid.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Just out of curiosity, when would you plan to purchase this gun, and learn how to use it? One week after you are robbed? Two weeks after you are robbed?

Yoop on September 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM

JAGonzo on September 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Did you get any regular magazines? Are they a pain to load?
Does it like field loads? Or is it particular in what it will take?

The magazines for the MKA 1919 are finger shredders and there are no after market mags widely available yet.

I’m torn between the reliability of the Saiga and the familiarity of the MKA.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Which one?

And why?

Overall length?

Control issues?

Thought about converting one but am happy with my short CAR.

cozmo on September 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Well, in another indication of how busy the market is, all of the big makers — Rock River, etc. — were on backorder, so I wound up getting it from a newer start-up company out of California called Phase 5 Tactical. But so far, I can really recommend them. Excellent service, and, as far as I can tell (it’s still fairly new) an excellent weapon. They’ve been getting a lot of good word of mouth, not only for their complete ARs, but for their AR components as well.

The overall length is 23.5 inches. What I find is that as long as you handle it properly — really dig that buffer tube into your shoulder — control isn’t much of an issue. Of course, you sacrifice some longer range effectiveness compared to the longer barrel ARs.

I decided for my first AR to go with the pistol for a number of reasons. I was interested in more of a compact, tactical setup. But also, as I understand it, because of the screwy laws, if you buy it as a rifle, you can’t change it into a pistol. But if you buy it as a pistol, you can add a longer barrel and a butt stock. So I figured I could build onto it down the road if I wanted to.

WhatSlushfund on September 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

i dont know why giving an advice not to buy guns on makes me a nanny stater. get a grip!

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Just curious as to why you care one way or another how many or why people want to buy guns?

arnold ziffel on September 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Just curious as to why you care one way or another how many or why people want to buy guns?

arnold ziffel on September 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

It doesn’t. It just wants to scoff and sow negatives amongst those it sees as ‘other’.

That one would shove you into a fire while smiling and quoting your virtues.

tom daschle concerned on September 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Occupiers, as well as the malcontents who will be angry that no more money will be forthcoming from Fauxbama’s “stash” (aka our tax dollars) because the country is racist or something.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM

and you think the police and the army would not intervene against this domestic threat?

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Another aspect: Given the paltry interest you can get on a bank account and the inflation caused by the Fed shoveling more cash into the economy, a high-quality gun well taken care of can be a pretty good investment.

Socratease on September 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM

I live in the inner city of a Blue City.

I am thinking prudence trumps regret.

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM

+1. Hard-blue Dumbocrat places are not exactly noted for raising youth that respect the law, which is the main threat to you.

As an aside…I really, really, really hate to plead…but does anyone here have an older rifle or shotgun that’s just gathering dust? I only have experience with one, the M1 Garand, but I can sure as hell learn others.

Long story short, after a conversation with my pastor about the admonition to protect my future fiance, I realized that w/o a gun that’s going to be hard to do. Especially if the 2012 elections turn sour.

Problem is that between (finally) paying off my school & test fees, I won’t even have enough to buy ammo. Wanna know how bad Obama has ruined my city’s economy? A long-standing store that catered to expectant mothers had to close because they couldn’t get enough customers. Though there’s implications to that beyond simple economics.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Just out of curiosity, when would you plan to purchase this gun, and learn how to use it? One week after you are robbed? Two weeks after you are robbed?

Yoop on September 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM

a day after some neighbor is robbed? or if i plan to move to a more dangerous city…

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM

So are people just planning an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected or what? Suddenly the line between terrorist and “freedom fighter” is going to get a lot blurrier for the right.

libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

That. Was. Epic.

libfreeordie on September 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Pathetic leftist troll. Get your ass busy getting those fine folks at Morehouse straight.

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 3:01 PM

It doesn’t. It just wants to scoff and sow negatives amongst those it sees as ‘other’.

That one would shove you into a fire while smiling and quoting your virtues.

tom daschle concerned on September 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I just love people even ostensibly right leaning, to whom self defense/preservation is a foreign concept.

arnold ziffel on September 9, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Why yes,, there is a 3%.

You would be surprised at who they are.

wolly4321 on September 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM

and you think the police and the army would not intervene against this domestic threat?

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Depends on how widespread it is. If the threat was too small and/or localized, it would probably not last long in a nose-to-nose fight with SWAT teams and possibly Guard reinforcements.

But don’t forget that most of the army is overseas playing “Occupy Iraq/Afghanistan, 113th Chorus”. It would take awhile for them to all get back and redeployed if a serious rev-o-lution broke out.

MelonCollie on September 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Pathetic leftist troll. Get your ass busy getting those fine folks at Morehouse straight.

Bmore on September 9, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Where’s the love Mr. B? :)

arnold ziffel on September 9, 2012 at 3:04 PM

I live in the inner city of a Blue City.

I am thinking prudence trumps regret.

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Prudence trumps regret every time.

But better than buying a gun is moving your home to a safer place, if that’s possible. Or at least get a cabin in the countryside you can use as a recreational and emergency retreat.

petefrt on September 9, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Bruno Strozek on September 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM

So primarily home defense? Definitely a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 then. You might want to get one with a shorter barrel, extended magazine, and ghost-ring or rifle sights (they make tactical barrels with these sights built-in). And a bunch of 000 buckshot.

And remember you still need to practice. A shotgun doesn’t produce a “cone-of-death” that will knock down everybody in the room. At the distances you’d be shooting in a home-defense situation the shot pattern will be very tight, probably no bigger than a couple inches, so you still need to aim.

Walter Sobchak on September 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Just curious as to why you care one way or another how many or why people want to buy guns?

arnold ziffel on September 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

i dont really care much…

It doesn’t. It just wants to scoff and sow negatives amongst those it sees as ‘other’.

That one would shove you into a fire while smiling and quoting your virtues.

tom daschle concerned on September 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

i not sure i understand what you are saying, but i get the feeling you really dont like me. relax dude.

nathor on September 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM

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