Surprise! HHS pilot program to send 2 million poor seniors from Medicare into … “voucher” programs

posted at 11:01 am on September 8, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I know that every campaign promise Barack Obama makes has an expiration date … but this is ridiculous.  The confetti is barely off the floor at the Time Warner Cable Arena in Charlotte, North Carolina after Obama’s acceptance speech, and already we find out that he’s flip-flopped.  Remember this part of the speech, in which he attacks the Paul Ryan plan to apply free-market reform and cost controls to Medicare?

And I will — I will never turn Medicare into a voucher.

No American should ever have to spend their golden years at the mercy of insurance companies. They should retire with the care and the dignity they have earned. Yes, we will reform and strengthen Medicare for the long haul, but we’ll do it by reducing the cost of health care, not by asking seniors to pay thousands of dollars more. And we will keep the promise of Social Security by taking the responsible steps to strengthen it, not by turning it over to Wall Street.

Expiration date — the very next day, courtesy of some fine reporting by National Journal’s Margot-Sanger-Katz [see update]:

In his convention speech in Charlotte, President Obama vowed to block the Republican Medicare reform plan because “no American should ever have to spend their golden years at the mercy of insurance companies.”

But back in Washington, his Health and Human Services Department is launching a pilot program that would shift up to 2 million of the poorest and most-vulnerable seniors out of the federal Medicare program and into private health insurance plans overseen by the states.

The administration has accepted applications from 18 states to participate in the program, which would give states money to purchase managed-care plans for people who are either disabled or poor enough to qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid. HHS approved the first state plan, one for Massachusetts, last month.

Bear in mind that Ryan’s plan made the vouchers optional; seniors could choose the traditional government-run Medicare plan or opt for a private insurance plan from a federal exchange of approved insurers.  Ryan also allows all seniors to choose, and didn’t force the poorest seniors to take the voucher option.  Not only will Obama push just the poorest seniors into this plan, in some states they’d have to know to opt back in to traditional Medicare:

California is already counting on more than $500 million in budget savings from its own program this year. Most states are proposing to automatically enroll people. Those who don’t want to participate would need to opt out. The Massachusetts plan includes that feature.

Talk about leaving seniors — the poorest seniors! — “at the mercy of insurance companies.”   And why has HHS decided to roll out this pilot program?  As Paul Ryan has argued all along, the competition will drive down costs, especially given the headaches associated with government bureaucracy for dual-qualified seniors:

Potential cost savings are a big incentive for states. Patients who qualify for both federal health programs are a costly population and include many who need nursing-home care or other expensive services. About 40 percent of Medicaid’s costs go toward patients who are also eligible for Medicare. Advocates of the pilot program also say it could lead to better coordination of care for patients who often struggle to navigate the two different programs.

Don’t get me wrong — this sounds like a good program to test.  In fact, it sounds a lot like the Medicare Advantage program that Obama gutted to pay for his Medicaid expansion in ObamaCare.  It’s similar to the approach Ryan wants to use to drive down costs, except that Ryan didn’t propose to use the poor as guinea pigs to test it out.  And he certainly didn’t propose his plan quietly while hypocritically railing against private insurance and Wall Street just as the program got ready to start.

Update: A couple of commenters object to my description of this as a “voucher” program — but that’s how Democrats describe Ryan’s plan, and that doesn’t have “vouchers,” either.  It’s a premium-support plan in a federal exchange of insurance plans approved by Medicare for coverage.  That’s what Medicare Advantage did too, and Obama raided it to pay for the Medicaid expansion in ObamaCare.  This plan doesn’t even have the federal exchange that Ryan envisioned, but fifty different exchanges doling out federal dollars.  Like I wrote, the plan and the experiment is worth trying, but it’s precisely the kind of push into private insurance that Obama swore the day earlier he’d never do … and he’s doing it with the poorest seniors with only an opt-out in some states rather than the opt-in that Ryan’s plan provided.  I’ll put quote marks on “voucher” in the headline, but this mechanism only differs from Ryan’s in that the exchanges get managed by the states rather than Medicare.

If Obama supporters don’t like the term “vouchers” or want to gripe about its accuracy, look first to the beam in thine own eye.

Update II, 9/10/12: Usually, I try to mention the name of the publication when I link, and especially when the reporter does really good work.  Margot Sanger-Katz did a great job in catching this, and I completely forgot to mention her name and National Journal’s.  I’ve fixed it, albeit a couple of days late.


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And the DOTUS is out talking about “cutting the deficit” and how much he “cares”.

Scary…….he’s ahead in the polls.

But how can that be if people hate the thought of ObamaCare so much?

PappyD61 on September 8, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Obama is a disgusting failure, a liar and a blatant opportunist . . . all at the expense of our most vulnerable citizens. This poor sick Republic is in very serious trouble.

rplat on September 8, 2012 at 11:05 AM

The POTUS is a hypocritical liar – tell me something I don’t know.

gophergirl on September 8, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Shocker

cobrakai99 on September 8, 2012 at 11:06 AM

The Commie’s lies roll off the backs of the Commie pissants, like water off a duck’s back.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 8, 2012 at 11:06 AM

at the mercy of insurance companies”

Obama is such a joke. Thanks America.

CW on September 8, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Obama prefers to do things “under the radar.” He is, after all, King.

GaltBlvnAtty on September 8, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Bear in mind that Ryan’s plan made the vouchers optional

Don’t get me wrong — this sounds like a good program to test.

Death panels!!!

gh on September 8, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Was this the “entitlement reform” that was teased but did not appear in the President’s speech?

Was he planning to (ostensibly) steal the Ryan Factor on Medicare from the GOP (e.g. Clinton on welfare reform), and dump it based on focus groups?

The Schaef on September 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Hurray for the Marxist-in-chief… Screwing America over one senior citizen at a time.

SWalker on September 8, 2012 at 11:13 AM

…bet that the Networks will be all over this!

KOOLAID2 on September 8, 2012 at 11:16 AM

These programs are not being “tested.” They are forcibly enrolling entire populations in them. There is no control group. Furthermore, the state programs are not designed to detect poor care due to excess waiting, denial of suitable care, and so on. Think Canada where elderly hip fracture patients are left on gurneys for a couple of days (this greatly increases mortality) or the UK where hospital care is so bad that patients starve because they can’t unwrap their food and no one feeds them.

secant on September 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Michelle Obama’s Patient Dumping Scheme

The poor were steered from emergent care into free clinics.

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM

…bet that the Networks will be all over this!

KOOLAID2 on September 8, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Yeah, we are monitoring MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN & FOX…
I will get back with you.

redguy on September 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM

When Leftists attack something it is their weakest part. They know that the Ryan plan will work but it moves away from their total government control from cradle to grave. So attack it when they try is but call it something else so when it works they will then win without giving the other side a chance or credit to do it.

tjexcite on September 8, 2012 at 11:21 AM

No big deal. Just Barry talking out of both sides of his mouth again.

GarandFan on September 8, 2012 at 11:23 AM

…. they have no shame!

OldEnglish on September 8, 2012 at 11:23 AM

You have to wonder if Obama really knows what’s going on in his own administration. (Puppet strings getting tighter Mr. President?)

Rovin on September 8, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Tell me which insurance company will accept these high risk no premium participants? None you say?

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Animal Crackers.

Limerick on September 8, 2012 at 11:24 AM

More detail on HHS voucher program:

Total benefit and treatment consists of aspirin and mandatory death counseling.

BobMbx on September 8, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Tell me which insurance company will accept these high risk no premium participants? None you say?

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:24 AM

A nickel-ninety five says the IRS will get a mandate to tap the SS checks for the premiums. They’ll be healthy starving seniors.

Limerick on September 8, 2012 at 11:26 AM

managed-care plans for people who are either disabled or poor enough to qualify

Remember the words “Managed Care”.

They tried this in my state for worker’s compensation patients. The original program dates back to the late 80′s but essentially, the programs are run by what is known as a “gatekeeper”, i.e., one managed care physician who is tasked with ensuring that the patient doesn’t get to a specialist.

“You can take the red pill or the blue pill”
Who said that?

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Michelle Obama’s Patient Dumping Scheme

The poor were steered from emergent care into free clinics.

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM

…we should refer to the ‘news networks’… as… ‘ newscrickets’

KOOLAID2 on September 8, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Awesome. There goes the senior vote.
 
lester on April 4, 2012 at 7:48 PM

rogerb on September 8, 2012 at 11:31 AM

More crap coming down the pipe: Obamacare Boosters Push ‘Global Spending Target’

“…In regular English, this means a government-enforced cap on how much Americans may spend in aggregate on their health care, both public and private. The co-authors of this article include former Obama administration officials Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel …”

Get that? In order to control costs, they want to dicate how much we can spend out of our pockets, out of insurance, for healthcare.

Anytime you see that the ghoulish Ezekiel Emanuel is involved in something, it’s a pretty safe assumption that it’s EVIL. This is the ghoul that thinks medical care should be apportioned according to how much value you are to your community.

slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2012 at 11:32 AM

A nickel-ninety five says the IRS will get a mandate to tap the SS checks for the premiums. They’ll be healthy starving seniors.

Limerick on September 8, 2012 at 11:26 AM

I don’t think that would fly. But it would make for a great Romney Ryan ad IMHO.

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Yes. Health stamps for seniors is going to move us forward.
 
lester on August 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM

rogerb on September 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Not to change subjects, but did anybody catch the Rasmussen polling today?

It has Obama up 2 against Romney 46 to 44.

Personally, I look at this as a good sign for Romney (al though I am sure MANY will disagree). The poll is a 3 day average (so this includes most of the convention, or at least Michelle and Clinton, who were the most effective), yet the highest the President can get to, at this point, without taking into consideration the Friday jobs report, is 46%! In addition, Romney is still up one in Rasmussens tracking of 11 swing states 46% to 45% (al though I am sure it might be close to 50% if you were to exclude PA, NV, and NH).

Al though I am more eeyorish by nature like AP, I think Romney has a decent shot at winning this thing.

The MSM would say I am fooling myself, but I see some dark clouds on the horizon for Obama. The jobs report is just the start. Combine that with what will sure to be a negative mainstream reaction to QE3 (al though Wall Street will love), Woodwards book that is coming out, and the debates where Romney merely has to hold his own (which I think he will do), and it is not out of the question (despite Nate Silver proclaiming there is no chance in hell of this happening) that Romney wins in November.

Thoughts?

Indy82 on September 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Anytime you see that the ghoulish Ezekiel Emanuel is involved in something, it’s a pretty safe assumption that it’s EVIL. This is the ghoul that thinks medical care should be apportioned according to how much value you are to your community.

slickwillie2001 on September 8, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Senator Harry Reid avoids vote on health care rationing board

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Thoughts?

Indy82 on September 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM

I think that no matter what anyone says the Fifth Column Treasonous Media will lie, spin and propagandize this as proof of Barack Insane Obama’s god like nature and therefore the inevitability of his reelection.

SWalker on September 8, 2012 at 11:41 AM

At this point, if you don’t understand what Obama is capable of and you vote for this guy, then you deserve everything you get. The flip side, those of us who do know will have to suffer as well. In all my life I never believed things could possibly get this screwed up, and boy was I ever wrong.

DDay on September 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM

If these facts mattered, we’d have an excellent chance of winning debates. But these facts matter not a whit. This battle is of spirits, not wits, and all you need to know to assess the power of the spirit behind Obama is the virtual trance his followers enter when extolling his many fictional virtues… that former governor of Michigan looked more like some faith healer than a politician at the height of her alter call — er, I mean speech — says more than we consciously want to realize about what we’re up against.

The spirit behind this man is Deception, and that’s with a capital D. So, we have to figure out how to snap our fellow citizens out of the spell, and throwing mere facts, no matter how juicy they seem to those of us with an active cerebral cortex, isn’t enough. Sadly.

bobcalco on September 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM

FORCE-its the lib way.

bazil9 on September 8, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Don’t get me wrong — this sounds like a good program to test. In fact, it sounds a lot like the Medicare Advantage program that Obama gutted to pay for his Medicaid expansion in ObamaCare.

I don’t know about that. The operative phrase is “Managed care” program.

Buy Danish on September 8, 2012 at 11:46 AM

This battle is of spirits,

Raaaaaacist!

BobMbx on September 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM

The administration has accepted applications from 18 states to participate in the program, which would give states money to purchase managed-care plans

…and when that money gets to California, it’s going straight into the public pension fund.

repvoter on September 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM

bobcalco on September 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM

95% in agreement, but don’t forget that the Truth has Power.
Have watched it work.
At least to the point of making some libs think enough to decide to stay home .. worth it.

pambi on September 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM

since romney invented obamacare, there is silence from our side.

thanks gope

renalin on September 8, 2012 at 11:53 AM

The administration has accepted applications from 18 states to participate in the program, which would give states money to purchase managed-care plans

One more thought….California is harnessed with hundreds upon hundreds of state commissions, boards and beurocracies and our legislature is already creating more commissions and boards to accommodate this joke…Who in their right mind would give California money….?

repvoter on September 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Liberals might be able to dupe the under-educated and indoctrinate the over-educated into believing anything; even when that “anything” reverses from one day to the next.

But seniors are PAYING ATTENTION to this stuff. And they tend to vote more reliably than any other group.

logis on September 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

A friend of mine over at The Blogmocracy has taken to calling Barack Insane Obama the American Caligula, which tragically seems to be how the Democrat/Marxist also feel about Obama.

Having rejected God three times at their Convention and considering the degree with which the Fifth Column Treasonous Media has insisted on portraying him as some kind of Messiah it seems obvious that they have chosen him as their new God.

Kind of scary in the Biblical Anti-Christ kind of way if you ask me. The Democrats not only believe that we all belong to the government it seems that they want us to all join them in worshiping Barack Insane Obama as the new God.

I genuinely fear that this is going to get a lot uglier before it gets better. Death Panel for the elderly abortion murder for the young, government control over every aspect of our lives. Yup, sounds an awful like like the biblical Anti-Christ and the Tribulation/Armageddon.

SWalker on September 8, 2012 at 11:55 AM

This is sort of OT, but it is the big umbrella under which Obamacare falls.

PatriotGal2257 on September 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM

I just last night saw an Dem Obuma campaign ad claiming Romney/Ryan want to replace Medicare with vouchers. Typical of Dems to accuse Reps of wanting to do what the Dems are already doing.

aposematic on September 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Barack Obama: Take the blue pill, pay half price

The ‘blue pill’ is Nietzsche’s slave morality. You do not decide your fate, others do. Blend in; do not stand out. Modify yourself to fit the universe and deny your senses in favor of your beliefs. Accept. Tolerate. Endure. Do not think.

The ‘red pill’ is the master morality. You don’t like something? CHANGE IT. You have to accept nothing as long as you are willing to fight and win, never give up.

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Unflippingbelievable!

Minorcan Maven on September 8, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Obama’s Medicare plan.
2 tax hikes and throw in a How To book by Jack Kevorkian.Call me when it’s over.
“We need to pass the bill to find out what’s in the bill.” Nancy Wackjob.

RickinNH on September 8, 2012 at 11:59 AM

bobcalco on September 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM

You betcha !
Not in the sense that O is the physical embodiment of such a creature .. Anti-Christ is a spirit, as well.
When it comes to speaking a truth, and then your opponent can say/believe THE EXACT SAME THING, but see it in the opposite way .. we’re talking the anti-Christ spirit.
It’s been at work since the garden, of course, but becoming more and more strong and apparently vocal over the past, say, 50 years.

pambi on September 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Just reading a part of the program, right now the Mass. plan is for 21 to 64 years old who are currently on Medicare/Medicad. If you are in the program when you turn 65 you can elect to stay in the plan or not.

So much gibberish in the plan they show, who knows what will happen.

Barred on September 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM

The administration has accepted applications from 18 states to participate in the program, which would give states money to purchase managed-care plans

…and when that money gets to California, it’s going straight into the public pension fund.

repvoter on September 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I’m Jerry Brown, and I approve this message…..err money.

Rovin on September 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM

since romney invented obamacare, there is silence from our side.

thanks gope

renalin on September 8, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Great point!

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

“…at the mercy of insurance companies”?

So the Communists are in cahoots with big corporate business interests? Surprise!

Actually not a surprise at all. Haven’t noticed the insurance companies spending millions on anti-Obamacare ads.

Keep wondering if this corporatist relationship will last beyond both groups taking total control of everything (everything worth controlling, that is)…or will they fight each other for complete control at some point down the line?

I’m thinking that both sides figure they can beat (outsmart, outmaneuver) the other. Should be interesting, but it could be decades. Who knows?

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 8, 2012 at 12:02 PM

If Obama was truly embracing vouchercare, how come Romney and Ryan arent touting this new flip flop? Maybe it’s because Americans outside of the far right bubble wont fall for it.

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

…. they have no shame!

OldEnglish on September 8, 2012 at 11:23 AM

…why should they have any shame?
Our former governor did a Howard Dean at the DNC and the local networks…and all they did was access her delivery and how she pumped up the base….Nothing about her stats being picked out of thin air, or the lies that are now taken as fact…it was all about the delivery….
I have a friend who I never hear from in another state…I got a text the day after Governor Grandmole’s appearance…”that loon led your state for 8 years?…no wonder your state is fluked up!”

KOOLAID2 on September 8, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Participating Plans will have significant flexibility to innovate around care delivery and to provide a range of community-based services as alternatives to or means to avoid high-cost traditional services if indicated by the Enrollees’ wishes, needs and Individualized Care Plan.

Just a little look.

Barred on September 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Tell me which insurance company will accept these high risk no premium participants? None you say?

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Most likely, for this kind of thing, the insurance companies are merely administering the program. Large corporations are self-insured but use insurance companies to administer their health care programs. The insurance company negotiates with doctors, establishes networks, and manages the payments and deductibles. Would expect that this is the same thing, the insurance company is not maintaining risk pools so much as more efficiently managing the costs of care and administrative costs. There’s not much uncertainty here, the people in the program are going to be using the health care system.

AZfederalist on September 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Froward, not misspelled.

Schadenfreude on September 8, 2012 at 12:09 PM

A special hug for Key West Reader.

Schadenfreude on September 8, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 8, 2012 at 12:02 PM

“That’s why I want to be a crony.”

PatriotGal2257 on September 8, 2012 at 12:10 PM

If Obama was truly embracing vouchercare, how come Romney and Ryan arent touting this new flip flop? Maybe it’s because Americans outside of the far right bubble wont fall for it.

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

maybe because it just came out? Obama admistration is great at keeping things hid.

Not that you would care…

Barred on September 8, 2012 at 12:13 PM

{{{ Hugs here, too, Key West Reader. }}}

PatriotGal2257 on September 8, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Yeah, we are monitoring MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN & FOX…
I will get back with you.
redguy on September 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Lol. Most people are out there spending the weekend with their family members. You on the other hand prefer monitoring all the media outlets to see if they will advance some far right conspiracy. Lol.

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Most likely, for this kind of thing, the insurance companies are merely administering the program. Large corporations are self-insured but use insurance companies to administer their health care programs. The insurance company negotiates with doctors, establishes networks, and manages the payments and deductibles. Would expect that this is the same thing, the insurance company is not maintaining risk pools so much as more efficiently managing the costs of care and administrative costs. There’s not much uncertainty here, the people in the program are going to be using the health care system.

AZfederalist on September 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM

This is currently how Medicare is managed, through third party administrators. However, the arbiter on Medicare payments remains in the Congress (for now). Remember what I said above… Watch out for “Managed Care”… that is IPAB cloaked in the robe of alleged “free choice”. Beware the Gatekeeper.

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

I notice you are here at HA monitoring what we are saying.LOL

Barred on September 8, 2012 at 12:16 PM

So these seniors, who are poor, are being forced into these voucher programs because it will save Medicare, and thereby the federal government, money.

These voucher programs are meant to access risk pools formed as exchanges. The amount of care the individual can access for their ‘voucher’ would then depend on how many people were in the exchange and what the insurer decided to include for the dollar.

In theory this could be advantageous, like the Medicare Advantage programs. It could also leave people with inadequate care. It could also result in a hopeless snarl of red tape and forms at the point of service, as each exchange tried to tailor its own plan and various groups belonged to various exchanges.

Unfortunately, in the arena of health care, mistakes can cause untold pain and suffering and cost people their lives.

Bureaucracies, and that is what would be created here, are infamous for inefficiency and error.

Opening the health care insurance industry up and allowing people to purchase health care insurance across state lines, instituting real and meaningful tort reform to actually lower the cost of health care insurance, and tax equalization would serve to lower the cost of health care insurance and, ultimately, health care services across the board.

THEN, when the insurance market had time to adjust their participation and plans, and providers had time to adjust to the new system, Medicare enrolled could be allowed safely into the market with vouchers.

Forcing the poor to be the guinea pigs in a market that has not seen tort reform or increased open competition is risky at best, and may well result in unnecessary pain, suffering and loss of life due to the poor being left with inadequate coverage and providers struggling to keep up with each exchange and what is covered and what is not for each patient for which they provide service.

thatsafactjack on September 8, 2012 at 12:16 PM

If Obama was truly embracing vouchercare, how come Romney and Ryan arent touting this new flip flop? Maybe it’s because Americans outside of the far right bubble wont fall for it.

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Perhaps because this new HHS ‘mandate’ just came out today?

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 12:17 PM

I wonder why Obama is so insistent on cutting Medicare vs. Medicaid?

Medicare = Senior citizens who worked their entire lives, paid into the system and deserve care.

Medicaid = Welfare recipients who frequently summon EMS to transport them to emergency rooms for the sniffles.

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I will be shocked if Romney closes down Obamacare
and goes back to the old system, adding purchasing across state line capability and torte reform.

My opinion is that he will “tweak” Obamacare only, because I still
think the rino repubs and the liberal dems are one and the same.

This country could not have sunk to this level of “almost off the
cliff” financial catastrophe along with all this socialist/marxist/communist progression without complicity on both sides.

Amjean on September 8, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Lol. Most people are out there spending the weekend with their family members. You on the other hand prefer monitoring all the media outlets to see if they will advance some far right conspiracy. Lol.

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

And yet, you are here, a liberal moonbat, on the weekend, trolling a conservative blog. Go shut the irony off, I smell something burning.

JPeterman on September 8, 2012 at 12:22 PM

How I LOATHE this piece of garbage! EVERY word out of his mouth is a lie. I have no words to describe my deep disgust at this useless twit. Words have no meaning to him. It’s all about appearances when on stage. Then out of sight of prying eyes, he reverts to the evil turd that he really is.

Sasha List on September 8, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Yeah, we are monitoring MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN & FOX…
I will get back with you.
redguy on September 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Lol. Most people are out there spending the weekend with their family members. You on the other hand prefer monitoring all the media outlets to see if they will advance some far right conspiracy. Lol.

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Guess you’re not smart enough to recognize sarcasm when you hear it. Not surprising, given your descriptive name.

Sasha List on September 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

HAL…sing ‘Daisy’ for us.

thatsafactjack on September 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Perhaps because this new HHS ‘mandate’ just came out today?
Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 12:17 PM

So I take it this information is all over Fox News correct? Or are they part of the liberal media?

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:27 PM

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy….”

bluefox on September 8, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Watch out for “Managed Care”… that is IPAB cloaked in the robe of alleged “free choice”. Beware the Gatekeeper.

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Good point. It’s one thing when a corporation sets up the terms of its benefits and limits; employees are able to assess the benefits and either supplement or look for work elsewhere. When you are dependent upon the government, you don’t have any such flexibility.

AZfederalist on September 8, 2012 at 12:28 PM

“You can take the red pill or the blue pill”
Who said that?

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Laurence Fishburne as Morpheus in The Matrix.

Oh wait…you mean Oblahblah.

GrannyDee on September 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:27 PM

HAL….DAISY.

thatsafactjack on September 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Of course this will NOT be brought up in the debates. Why should it when you can ask questions about same sex marriage etc.

LeftCoastRight on September 8, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Biden’s attack on ‘vouchers’ was worse than Obama’s IMO.

But what they didn’t tell you, is that their plan would immediately cut benefits to more than 30 million seniors already on Medicare. What they didn’t tell you is what they’re proposing would cause Medicare to go bankrupt by 2016. And what they really didn’t tell you is, they’re not for preserving Medicare. They’re for a whole new plan. They’re for Vouchercare. That’s not courage. That’s not even truthful.

gatorboy on September 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Romney merely has to hold his own (which I think he will do), and it is not out of the question (despite Nate Silver proclaiming there is no chance in hell of this happening) that Romney wins in November.

Thoughts?

Indy82 on September 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM

All good points in your post. The quoted bit above is what troubles me.

I have seen Romney from time to time (e.g. the primary debates) appear somewhat grating–a bit of a smirk and squinted eyes, when countering another argument.

While I know that Romney is capable of holding his own against Odumbo (after all, he has facts on his side and Odumbo is an empty suit who doesn’t do his homework), I worry about a Nixon-Kennedy type of situation–with our guy playing Nixon.

RedCrow on September 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM

HAL sings Daisy

thatsafactjack on September 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM
And yet, you are here, a liberal moonbat, on the weekend, trolling a conservative blog. Go shut the irony off, I smell something burning.

JPeterman on September 8, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Thanks, I wondered what that smell was. Checked my oven and furnace just to be sure:-)

bluefox on September 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

{{{ Hugs here, too, Key West Reader. }}}

PatriotGal2257 on September 8, 2012 at 12:13 PM

…if you only knew how good I feel seeing you “carrying on” right now KWR !

KOOLAID2 on September 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM

HotAirLibps on September 8, 2012

KOOLAID2 on September 8, 2012 at 12:38 PM

HAL…sing ‘Daisy’ for us.

thatsafactjack on September 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM

BAM! *LOL*

While saving money on entitlement programs is required to save the country, I disdain people being forced on or off such programs. They should have been optional from the start, letting the government be a competitor in such areas instead of an overseer that sets the rules, and then cheats the game.

Like with medical insurance policies that require coverage for drug/alcohol treatment. That should have been an option for the policyholder to decide. If the problem arose and the holder didn’t buy the protection, there’s always the Salvation Army’s rehab program that’s free.

Really–I’m quite persuaded that libelts back government programs by rote without even knowing what they are defending.

Liam on September 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Liar-in-Chief.

albill on September 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM

You know, I’ve been think of how to accurately characterize this administration. It’s so screwed up it’s freaking farse.

Then it hit me: Duck Soup (Marx brothers 1933)

Obama (in white face makeup) is Rufus T. Firefly (played Groucho Marx) who was appointed leader of the small, bankrupt country of Freedonia.

The rest is simply insanity at it’s best. And Obama is a Marxist–perfect.

The only real difference is that Duck Soup was funny and what Obama has done and is doing to this country isn’t.

BMF on September 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

One word – CARROUSEL!

Steve Eggleston on September 8, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Unfreakingbelievable. And after bashing Republicans for a voucher program that’s optional??

WannabeAnglican on September 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Michelle Obama’s Patient Dumping Scheme

The poor were steered from emergent care into free clinics.

Key West Reader on September 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM

This is such a poignant point to make!

Not only are Obozo and Moochelle massive liars, and couldn’t care less about the poor, but their hypocrisy is never called out by the media!

It’s maddening how these Orwellian level shenanigans are right there in front of people, and they just keep getting away with it! How!??!

KMC1 on September 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Steve Eggleston on September 8, 2012 at 12:49 PM

The best thing about Logans Run is the “no bra’s allowed” policy for the cast.

BobMbx on September 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I look to outlets like HotAir, TownHall and NewsBusters among others to report on the lies of the Obama administration and feel sad that the major media outlets have squandered their brand in support of such an unworthy pursuit. When someone like DWS has not been shunned by media for being such an unapologetic lying sociopath, it’s no wonder that they’ll protect Obama and refuse to point out his hypocrisy and ignorance.

Perhaps if they were to use NBA bracket like charts to follow policies, he might have a chance at understanding why should zip his lips about certain things at certain times. But in his defense, he doesn’t really have to. Those in the tank are trapped in the tank and those few undecided will only see what they take the trouble to see.

CitizenEgg on September 8, 2012 at 1:03 PM

PBHO: “But… but… but… SANDRA FLUKE!! War on women!!”

Khun Joe on September 8, 2012 at 1:11 PM

So I take it this information is all over Fox News correct? Or are they part of the liberal media?

HotAirLib on September 8, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Ummmm…actually the info is from cms.gov:

These two models include:

Capitated Model: A State, CMS, and a health plan enter into a three-way contract, and the plan receives a prospective blended payment to provide comprehensive, coordinated care.
Managed Fee-for-Service Model: A State and CMS enter into an agreement by which the State would be eligible to benefit from savings resulting from initiatives designed to improve quality and reduce costs for both Medicare and Medicaid.

CMS is interested in testing these models across the country in programs that collectively serve up to 2 million Medicare-Medicaid enrollees.

http://www.cms.gov/Medicare-Medicaid-Coordination/Medicare-and-Medicaid-Coordination/Medicare-Medicaid-Coordination-Office/FinancialModelstoSupportStatesEffortsinCareCoordination.html

And, yes, I believe they are indeed part of the Liberal power structure.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM

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