Toughest job ever: fact-checking Bill Clinton

posted at 8:41 am on September 6, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Bill Clinton rescued the Democratic convention from a complete collapse last night with a strong — but far too long — nominating speech on behalf of Barack Obama.  Prior to his arrival, Democrats had embarrassed themselves by voting to disregard God and the long-established capital of a close ally, and then forcing the party’s leadership to blatantly override the clear rejection of that amendment.  Once again, abortion and contraception dominated the evening, this time all the way into the prime-time hour as Sandra Fluke’s speech inexplicably got shifted to 10 pm.  It’s as if Democrats not only are disregarding the priorities of voters in this economy, but want to lecture them about their priorities as well.  And if the final hour was bad, Chris Cillizza says the set-up hour before it was even worse:

The 9-10 pm [ET] hour: This hour, which should have been building to the Warren and Clinton speeches, was entirely forgettable — filled with overly long speeches by the president of the United Auto Workers and people negatively affected by Bain Capital.  Given the prominence of the hour, the content contained within it was decidedly disappointing.

Clinton, though, stuck to the biggest issues of the day: economy, jobs, health-care reform, and entitlements.  He made about the only argument that can be made for Obama, and the one that Obama’s self-assessed grade of “incomplete” suggests — that four years wasn’t enough to fix the huge problems created by the economic crisis:

Now, look. Here’s the challenge he faces and the challenge all of you who support him face. I get it. I know it. I’ve been there. A lot of Americans are still angry and frustrated about this economy. If you look at the numbers, you know employment is growing, banks are beginning to lend again, and in a lot of places, housing prices have even began to pick up.

But too many people do not feel it yet. I had this same thing happen in 1994 and early ‘95. We could see that the policies were working, that the economy was growing, but most people didn’t feel it yet. Thankfully, by 1996, the economy was roaring, everybody felt it, and we were halfway through the longest peacetime expansion in the history of the United States. But the difference this time is purely in the circumstances. President Obama started with a much weaker economy than I did. Listen to me now. No president, no president — not me, not any of my predecessors — no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years.

Within the Democratic Party, no one has the standing that Clinton does to make that argument.  That doesn’t make it true, however, nor does it mean that the current policies are working.  With median household income falling faster in Obama’s recovery than during the recession and the workforce near a 30-year low in population participation rates, we’re going in the wrong direction.  But as a defender of Obama, Clinton succeeded in making the best possible argument as believable as he could make it.

Of course, this depends on how much credibility one puts in Bill Clinton in the first place.  This was the only sitting President ever convicted of perjury while in office, after all, and his tendency to waggle his finger while telling a whopper resurfaced last night as well.  The Associated Press offered up a fact check that, while a little thin, hammered Clinton on some of his key arguments in the speech:

“For the last two years, health care spending has grown under 4 percent, for the first time in 50 years. So, are we all better off because President Obama fought for it and passed it? You bet we are.”

THE FACTS: That’s wishful thinking at best. The nation’s total health care tab has been growing at historically low rates, but most experts attribute that to continued uncertainty over the economy, not to Obama’s health care law.

I found the continuing defenses of ObamaCare a little surprising.  Why keep bringing up something so unpopular at a national convention?  With that and the Abortion-Palooza, this has become a base-turnout convention, not one intended to convince anyone but true believers to vote for Obama.

The biggest hit came on Clinton’s claims about the economy:

CLINTON: “I know many Americans are still angry and frustrated with the economy. … I experienced the same thing in 1994 and early 1995. Our policies were working but most people didn’t feel it yet. By 1996, the economy was roaring, halfway through the longest peacetime expansion in American history.”

THE FACTS: Clinton is counting on voters to recall the 1990s wistfully and to cast a vote for Obama in hopes of replicating those days in a second term. But Clinton leaves out the abrupt downward turn the economy took near the end of his own second term and the role his policies played in the setting the stage for the historic financial meltdown of 2008. …

Sure enough, the tech-heavy Nasdaq composite stock index and the Dow Jones industrial average both peaked in March 2000. The bursting of the high-tech bubble dragged down the economy and markets through the rest of the year. From September 2000 to January 2001, when Clinton left office, the Nasdaq dropped 46 percent. Even now, in 2012, the Nasdaq has not returned to its 2000 peak. By March 2001, the economy toppled into recession.

The AP surprisingly offered this reminder of Clinton’s role in the economic collapse, too, although the article makes no mention of the Community Reinvestment Act and the steps Clinton took to create an explosion in subsidized sub-prime lending:

Also, as president, Clinton supported the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law dating back to the Great Depression that separated banking from high-risk financial speculation. Robert Rubin, who had been Clinton’s first treasury secretary, helped broker the final deal on Capitol Hill that enabled the repeal legislation to pass. Some financial historians say the repeal of the law paved the way for banks to invest in risky investments like mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations that played a role in the 2008 financial meltdown.

With all of that said, though, Clinton provided perhaps the first argument for Obama on topics that concern voters in 2012 of this convention.  We’ll see how effective Clinton was, but it’s also questionable how many people stuck around through the debacle that preceded Clinton all day long to hear him.  I’m guessing that most of the audience were those same true believers to whom Democrats pandered for hours prior to his taking the stage.


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In the middle sounds like he’s to the left with his slobbering over bill.
I wonder how old he is? Having lived through the 90′s and paying attention, it’s clear that only those who had their heads where the sun doesn’t shine still like him.

On the bright side, he reminds people of everything that obama isn’t. I also think the average person understands he’s saying those things because he’s a dem, not because he means them.

With obama and co insisting we have recovered and we are doing better, we will see a replay of what happened to Bush Sr. for doing the same.

Hard Right on September 6, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Sorry guys, but Bill Clinton nailed that speech and will probably stand out as the most effectual of the conventionS, like it or not.

Boomer_Sooner on September 6, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Even if that were true, so what? Who votes in 2012 based on a guy who hasn’t been in office for 12 years? I don’t know why anyone would think that a speech from Clinton will carry Obama’s sorry ass over the finish line in November.

Night Owl on September 6, 2012 at 9:43 AM

…Forget Obama for a moment, as a party the Democrats are proud of their last president…

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 6, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Is that how obama hopes to win? Reminisce about the “glory days” of Clinton and pray to gaia that is enough to get people who wouldn’t have voted for obama to change their minds.

JAGonzo on September 6, 2012 at 9:43 AM

The man has been a low life user nearly all of his life, why would you put a person best known for his ability to lie out of both sides of his mouth at a rostrum at the most important time for a political party?

Because after all of the really bad things Slick Willy has done and the wrong things he’s said, and lied about, he’s the best the democrat party has, and its all downhill from here on.

Speakup on September 6, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Bill Clinton, like Elizabeth Warren, vastly overstayed his welcome, turning what could have been a charming affirmation of Obama’s presidency into a complete personal debacle.

The only connection Elizabeth Warren has to Native Americans is the movie Wolfen. At the start of her speech she came across like the world’s nicest concerned grandmother, ready and willing to give a home made cookie to every concerned American. Then she caught sight of the full moon through a crack in the ceiling, and turning into a snarling, drooling, bloodthirsty beast, a hairy Rosa Luxemburg. She looked ready to personally execute every last Wall Street plutocrat, with her teeth. Awful, and the wrong person to deliver the red meat before Clinton’s appearance.

Clinton, too, started out well. For me, it’s always great to see the redneck Cary Grant on stage, oozing charm. If he had stopped at the point where he nominated Obama, all would have been well. But then he stopped giving a speech, instead morphing into an animatronic Factcheck.org, attempting to rebut every Republican criticism of Barack Obama. In doing so he blatantly lied through his teeth; his entire speech will be gutted today, as it should have been during the approval process.

Btw, Michelle did not look happy during any of her cutaways during Clinton’s speech. Pursed lips and dagger eyes. I wonder why.

Mr. Arkadin on September 6, 2012 at 9:46 AM

yawn…that is the most boring call out from another HA blogger. You should what I get called around here. Want to try again?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 6, 2012 at 9:36 AM

What? Want to retype that with both hands?

Vince on September 6, 2012 at 9:47 AM

No matter what Clinton said last night, he also said that Obama has no idea how to be President, that he is an amatuer. If it wasn’t so hot this morning, I would go into more detail about this.

Night Owl on September 6, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Bill had for tweets than Romney. At the very least, the tech-savvy ones stayed up I guess..

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Oh lord, spare me from “tweet counts” as a measure of success. You don’t have to be tech-savvy to regale the rest of the world with details of dinner at McDonalds or the results of your latest bowel movement. You just have to be self-centered and boring.

Trafalgar on September 6, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Honestly, I took the speech in 3 parts.

The first 15-20 minutes was very good. He made a defense of Obama, and touched on basic points. That part gets an A. The only problem is that he did not shut up after 15-20 minutes.

The second 15-20 minutes reminded people why he was impeached. The guy literally either lied or mistated the truth about a dozen times. He mistated facts, did not give context, etc.. It was like living in DWS land. And to top it off he made a comment about Paul Ryan having “brass” about supposidly doing what Obama does (complete and utter lie), yet he had the “brass” to say he listened to the RNC, and was raised to respect the other side and listen to them, and yet he completely misrepresented everything that the Republicans said, or simply lied about it. Nevertheless, he did it in a charasmatic way where some low-intellect voters (like our resident trolls) will buy that crap. So that part gets a C.

Finally, the last part was completely unnecessary. He talked about things he should have ignored (like Obamacare, which he conveniently left out all the bad parts), and by that point he needed to have stopped talking. If I had to fight the urge to switch to the Giants game, and I love listening to political speeches, the rest of the country probably tuned out. So that part gets an F.

So, overall, it was a weird speech that might solidify the base slightly (but lets be honest, like any speech over the last 2 weeks, no one will remember any of it in 2 months), but overall did little to move the needle for Obama.

And addressing the point of this post, there were at least a dozen outright lies and or distortions, which if Romney or Ryan would have made, the AP would be going nuts right now.

milcus on September 6, 2012 at 9:50 AM

This thread sure brought out the lefty trolls.

Hard Right on September 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Not sure why Ed didn’t just go for the Washington Post’s Fact Check take down of Clinton’ speech… http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-bill-clintons-speech-and-other-democrats-at-the-convention-in-charlotte/2012/09/06/55b9df68-f7e1-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_blog.html

AYNBLAND on September 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM

The other thing about houses compared to just about everything else is that there is no foreign competetion in our housing market except for certain building materials which is a small aspect of the overall housing . The reason we haven’t seen massive inflation on many products is that there should have been extreme deflation with the emerging cheap markets and the inflationary policies have cancelled the deflation. Where we should notice the damage is in the job market as US jobs become less and less feasible against foreign competition. Now you’ll have China depressing their own citizens’ wages by using North Korean labor, and othe dirt-poor nations will emerge.

Whatshisname at the NYT doesn’t account for any of this when he talks about the US economy.

Buddahpundit on September 6, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Clinton forgot to mention that he also had the Dot Com going on during his tenure. Almost everyone was buying computers and computer related items. He also was ramming high risk mortgages down the throats of the American people, which helped get us into the trouble where we are today.

Philo Beddoe on September 6, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Little Bammie had as much to do with that as Billy did:

With Landmark Lawsuit, Barack Obama Pushed Banks to Give Subprime Loans to Chicago’s African-Americans

Sometimes it’s fun to reach into the memory hole and pull something back out.

slickwillie2001 on September 6, 2012 at 9:55 AM

milcus on September 6, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Maybe the point was to undermine obama in the subtlest of ways. Why else would he not give his speech to the obama camp prior to speaking?

JAGonzo on September 6, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Despite Clinton’s masterful speech nothing will take away from the debacle of booing God and Jerusalem in the DNC platform & I expect Team Romney to capitalize on that in upcoming ads to great effect.

workingclass artist on September 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM

No God. No Joooooossss. No turn on Red (well, maybe).

Your 2012 Democrat party, ladies and gentlemen.

Only took them 40 years to destroy it.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on September 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Not only are Republicans right about the fact that Obama gutted the welfare work requirements, but even the GAO says the Obama administration did not have the legal authority to do what it did.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/09/05/gao-confirms-obama-administration-overstepped-bounds-in-welfare-law-changes-2/

Clinton is, as he has always been, a liar.

AZCoyote on September 6, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Maybe the point was to undermine obama in the subtlest of ways. Why else would he not give his speech to the obama camp prior to speaking?

JAGonzo on September 6, 2012 at 9:55 AM

He did not have to speak. He chose to speak. And he made a pretty spirited defense at times. It was just too long, and contained way too many lies.

Look, if Democrats are smart, they would want Obama to lose. After 4 years of Obamacare, another 6 million in debt, a potentially nuclear iran, and all of the other non-sense he will pass through executive orders in the next 4 years, Democrats might be out of the presidency for the next 20-30 years. But they aren’t. And Clinton proved one thing yesterday – that at the end of the day, there is no such thing as a “moderate” democrat.

milcus on September 6, 2012 at 10:05 AM

“I’m guessing that most of the audience were those same true believers to whom Democrats pandered for hours prior to his taking the stage.”

Nah, it was jerring bloggers.

Bush was a terrible president. The economy was going down hill monotonically in 2006. The Democrats including Obama came into the senate in 2007 and the
economy dove for three years. Why are the Democrats and especially the president not given credit for their part in the nose dive?

burt on September 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM

“For the last two years, health care spending has grown under 4 percent, for the first time in 50 years. So, are we all better off because President Obama fought for it and passed it? You bet we are.”

THE FACTS: That’s wishful thinking at best. The nation’s total health care tab has been growing at historically low rates, but most experts attribute that to continued uncertainty over the economy, not to Obama’s health care law.
——

Wow that is some weak sauce of a fact check.

Nice try.

Dave Rywall on September 6, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Bill had for tweets than Romney. At the very least, the tech-savvy ones stayed up I guess..

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I don’t know. For all we know, those tweets for Clinton could have come from the audience itself…attendees at the DNC. The thing about the twitter thing is you don’t know WHERE the tweets are coming from. Its really not in any way reliable for anything.

Highlar on September 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Treacher’s response to Clinton’s speech last night…

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/06/bill-clinton-delivers-convincing-message-to-america/

*snicker*

workingclass artist on September 6, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Bill Clinton rocked …made mittens/lyinryan Obama look absolutely PUNY!

Pragmatic on September 6, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Fixed it for you.

ITguy on September 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I’ll repeat what I said back in March…

Keep your eyes on Hillary Clinton.

I think that she still has her eyes on the Presidency, and not just in 2016, but in 2012.

I think she is seriously prepping to be the Democratic nominee in 2012. How in the world can I say that? Keep two things in mind:

1) This, and
2) This

If Barry is found ineligible and/or guilty of forgery, fraud, obstruction of justice, etc, OR if the Clintons introduce him to Vince Foster and blame it on the Tea Party, who would the Democrats nominate? Joe Biden? No way. It would HAVE to be Hillary. And when you listen to what she’s said, both in 2008 and recently, she’s trying to pave the way for the first woman Democratic Presidential nominee and first woman President.

Listen to the 20 seconds from 1:36 to 1:56 in this recent video of Hillary Clinton

“She embodied the spirt of an America coming of age and {pause} increasingly confident, ready to lead in a quite uncertain and dangerous world.”

So, is America “coming of age” and ready for its first female president?

Hillary wants you to see her as “increasingly confident, ready to lead in a quite uncertain and dangerous world.”

And oh, by the way, that whole manufactured “Republican War on Women” thing would play right into Hillary’s hands if she were to become the Democrats’ nominee…

I literally pray that Obama is kept safe from physical harm. Bill Clinton is pretending to support Barack, while really stabbing him in the back, and Hillary is half a world away, doing her best to act like she really has no interest in the Presidency. It’s a well choreographed show. The Clintons are no fan of, nor friend of, Barack Obama.

ITguy on September 6, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Hard Right

A internet Troll is someone who hijacks a thread and moves it off topic. Someone having a differnt opinion then you is not a troll!

I swear this is the only board where you get called a “troll” for being a democrat lol.

If the thread is about Clinton and people are talking about Clinton that doesnt make them trolls.

As far as Clinton speech goes, I think he did a GREAT job. However you feel about him personally I think most people remember his time in office as being economically sound and peaceful, No wars, No massive debt so when he talks I believe those with open minds will give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what hes talking about. If you think Clinton wasn’t a good President then I wonder how far back you have to go to find one who was. Lincoln? Washington? Certainly not Carter, Regan or Bush none of who had the robust economy and peaceful times that President Clinton presided over.

This is ancedotal but my 55ish year old coworker came in today and said that although shes in the Romney camp she would vote for Clinton again if she could.

Politricks on September 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Underestimate if you must to sleep, but for O, this was as good as holding the Ace of Spades…in playing spades.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 6, 2012 at 9:20 AM

My, that sounds awfully RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!

Sasha List on September 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM

ITguy

Acting sec of states generally dont attend conventions.

Rice didnt attend Bushes. And I didnt see her running for office after his term.

Just saying…

Politricks on September 6, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I think one of Clintons best lines was what he summed up the Republican arguement as being.

“We left him a big mess, he hasnt cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in charge”

And that’s why our two party system sucks. Now I know someone will say “But but but Democrats in Congress” blah blah blah..For eight years George Bush was the President and just like with Obama the buck stops THERE good or bad.

Now atleast Democrats state what there plans are and then carry them out in office. Republicans constantly scream about how they will cut taxes and shrink Government but can you name one Republican President who has??

But let me guess. Romney will be the first?

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Politricks on September 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Btw, Michelle did not look happy during any of her cutaways during Clinton’s speech. Pursed lips and dagger eyes. I wonder why.

Mr. Arkadin on September 6, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I didn’t watch Clinton’s speech as I was too busy watching reruns and the NFL. But I was listing to the BBC channel on Sirus this morning. The woman commentator described Bill’s speech in glowing terms and then added that ‘Bill Clinton was almost flirting with Michele during parts of the speech’. Then she added that she would have thrown her own bra on the stage at Bill but she couldn’t through the television. Creepy.

The RNC had Dirty Harry. The DNC had dirty Bill.

HoosierStateofMind on September 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Politricks, go back and read some of the posts, then try to say they aren’t trolls.
People may “remember” clinton as a good president, but as I said elesewhere it’s only because they were as clueless then as they are now about him and his presidency. They give him credit for things which happened in spite of him, not because.

Hard Right on September 6, 2012 at 10:46 AM

From my perspective he proved the economy during his term was not made by him. Not with the beliefs he uttered. He says what he thinks people want to hear or what he thinks they should be told. It was Reagan’s rate cuts and GWH Bush’s late term actions that made Blue Dress Willy a star, if even in his own mind.

democratsarefools on September 6, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Hillary is half a world away, doing her best to act like she really has no interest in the Presidency. It’s a well choreographed show.

ITguy on September 6, 2012 at 10:33 AM

I wouldn’t put too much stock in Hillary not being at the DNC. The Hatch Act severely restricts political campaigning by active federal employees, and especially those at cabinet and senior political appointee levels. She could have attended in a private capacity, but as Secretary of State could not have engaged in campaigning. The fact that she chose to be on the other side of the world this week is somewhat telling though.

Trafalgar on September 6, 2012 at 10:52 AM

I think one of Clintons best lines was what he summed up the Republican arguement as being.

“We left him a big mess, he hasnt cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him and put us back in charge”

And that’s why our two party system sucks. Now I know someone will say “But but but Democrats in Congress” blah blah blah..For eight years George Bush was the President and just like with Obama the buck stops THERE good or bad.

Now atleast Democrats state what there plans are and then carry them out in office. Republicans constantly scream about how they will cut taxes and shrink Government but can you name one Republican President who has??

But let me guess. Romney will be the first?

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Politricks

I know you don’t believe the line of BS you just laid down.
The truth is the dems bear the lion’s share of the blame for the meltdown. In fact, obama played a roll in it too. So no, the GOP didn’t leave obama a mess. It’s poetic justice that it now comes back to bite the dems and obama.
Obama said he’d fix it. He hasn’t and has actually depressed the recovery. Oh, and Bush did cut taxes, but I know you knew that.

Hard Right on September 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Btw, Michelle did not look happy during any of her cutaways during Clinton’s speech. Pursed lips and dagger eyes. I wonder why.

Mr. Arkadin on September 6, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Michelle never looks happy. She is the quintessential angry **** woman.

AZfederalist on September 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM

“No one could have fixed this in four years.”

Except…..Obama himself told Matt Lauer in 2009 that if he couldn’t get this done in THREE years he would be looking at a one-term proposition. Not started. Not groundwork laid. Not stopping the free-fall. DONE.

rockmom on September 6, 2012 at 10:54 AM

This is a man that cheated on his wife while she was in the house.

This is a man that had sex with an employee.

This is a man that lied to the American people on TV using those same crooked fingers.

faraway on September 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM

BREAKING NEWS: Chance of Precipitation in Charlotte at 10PM ET….0%

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/Charlotte+NC+USNC0121:1:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6

sentinelrules on September 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Rockmom,did you really think he meant that? He hasn’t turned us into a socialist utopia yet, so he’s not done.

Hard Right on September 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Clinton: “I want you to listen to me, I’m gonna say this again” Then he points his crooked finger.

It’s just like last night.

faraway on September 6, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Listen to me now. No president, no president — not me, not any of my predecessors — no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years.

Sorry, Bill, but you are wrong…

The Forgotten Depression of 1920

The economic situation in 1920 was grim. By that year unemployment had jumped from 4 percent to nearly 12 percent, and GNP declined 17 percent. No wonder, then, that Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover — falsely characterized as a supporter of laissez-faire economics — urged President Harding to consider an array of interventions to turn the economy around. Hoover was ignored.

Instead of “fiscal stimulus,” Harding cut the government’s budget nearly in half between 1920 and 1922. The rest of Harding’s approach was equally laissez-faire. Tax rates were slashed for all income groups. The national debt was reduced by one-third.

The Federal Reserve’s activity, moreover, was hardly noticeable. As one economic historian puts it, “Despite the severity of the contraction, the Fed did not move to use its powers to turn the money supply around and fight the contraction.”[2] By the late summer of 1921, signs of recovery were already visible. The following year, unemployment was back down to 6.7 percent and it was only 2.4 percent by 1923.

So, Bubba… are you really claiming that both you and Barack Obama weren’t up to a job that Warren Harding was able to handle?

That’s pretty pathetic, right there…

JohnGalt23 on September 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM

In the land of the liars, Bill Clinton is king.

Only ex-prez in the room impeached for lying.

Hening on September 6, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Hmmm. I see the trolls and apologists have done their drive bys and fled.

Hard Right on September 6, 2012 at 11:07 AM

When Bill wants to lie hard, he says ‘listen to me’.

Let me line the 2 quotes up.

Last night

Listen to me now. No president, no president — not me, not any of my predecessors — no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years.

1998 Sex Lie

I want you to listen to me, I’m gonna say this again. I did not have sex with that woman

faraway on September 6, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Judge a man buy his actions, not his words

Wade on September 6, 2012 at 11:09 AM

The RNC had Dirty Harry. The DNC had dirty Bill.

HoosierStateofMind on September 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Ha ha good one. Reminds me of Rev. Wright talking about Billy Jeff “ridin’ dirty” with Lewinsky!

Brat on September 6, 2012 at 11:14 AM

I wouldn’t put too much stock in Hillary not being at the DNC. The Hatch Act severely restricts political campaigning by active federal employees, and especially those at cabinet and senior political appointee levels. She could have attended in a private capacity, but as Secretary of State could not have engaged in campaigning. The fact that she chose to be on the other side of the world this week is somewhat telling though.

Trafalgar on September 6, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Condaleza Rice explained it very well this week to Fox News: The Sec. of State is supposed to be non-partisan as they represent the entire U.S. in their position. As such, it would not be appropriate for Hillary to have any role or capacity at the DNC to support the Dems. Condi also said she herself did not attend the RNC convention when she was Sec. of State and she didn’t find it unusual for Hillary to be half-way around the world while the DNC is underway.

HoosierStateofMind on September 6, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Wow that is some weak sauce of a fact check.

Nice try.

Dave Rywall on September 6, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I know, right? What would the experts in the field know about it. A serial liar with an agenda is much more knowledgeable and trustworthy on the subject. And the fact that my own insurance has had double digit increases the past two years…I’ll just trust Bill on this one instead of my lying checkbook.

Geez…no wonder everyone here considers you dumber that drywall.

HumpBot Salvation on September 6, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Now atleast Democrats state what there plans are and then carry them out in office. Republicans constantly scream about how they will cut taxes and shrink Government but can you name one Republican President who has??

But let me guess. Romney will be the first?

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Politricks on September 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

…..as far as cutting taxes…maybe you have heard of the “Bush tax cuts”…you know…the ones democrats are constantly whining about but then constantly vote for….
….shrinking government hasn’t happened under any President….but there is no comparison to Obama’s expanding and spending that has surpassed Bush’s in only 4 years….with little to nothing to show for it.

…You have got to be joking with the “Democrats state what there plans are and then carry them out.”….
…what universe are you living in….

Gitmo still open…
….remember democrats yelling about reversing all of Bush’s EEEEEEEvil war on terror policies….now they have not only adapted them…they have expanded them….

Obama stated that he would never attack another country without Congressional approval…..Libya ring a bell with you genius?????

Obama stated he would win the Afghan war…..said he was going to “defeat al-qaeda and the Taliban…was going to take them out in the hills of Pakistan….said he had a “smarter plan to win the good war”….
….Now we are in a withdrawal stage and the Taliban and al-qaeda still train and carry out attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan….we will leave Afghanistan with the jihadist stronger than when we came in 2001…..
“smart power indeed”….

Obama promised job expansion…”green jobs success”….stated his policies would improve the economy and put us right back on track…..bragged about “recovery summer” where we would be gaining close to 500,000 jobs a month.

None of that has happened…..we are in the worst economic situation since the great depression…..wages have gone down along with jobs while the costs of living have increased.Energy prices have increased…..OBama’s “green jobs” have been an unbelievable failure with over 250,000 dollars average per job being spent with little to no real permanent jobs created.

Obama spent almost a trillion dollars on a stimulus that accomplished none of what he promised…cash for clunkers and his bailouts have resulted in the tax payers footing the bill for billions of dollars to prop up poorly managed and run companies.

Obama’s promises of “green investment” have been a corrupt and despicable failure with Solyndra being the poster child of his failed initiatives that have done more to fill the pockets of his campaign bundler’s than it has in creating affordable alternative energy.

……This administration has been an absolute failure and the only thing OBama has going for him is totally uniformed Obama-bots like yourself who refuse to deal with facts and live in reality.

Baxter Greene on September 6, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Bill Clinton is an habitual liar, chronically obfuscatory and will ague the meaning of trivial words ad infinitum. He is an inexhaustible “smoke generator” for the left and attempting to counter his babble is a waste of time.

rplat on September 6, 2012 at 11:17 AM

John the Baptist to Obama’s Messiah—the amoral president foreshadowed the freakin’ political Anti-Christ.

stillings on September 6, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Rockmom,did you really think he meant that? He hasn’t turned us into a socialist utopia yet, so he’s not done.

Hard Right on September 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Of course he meant it. All his idiot advisers had told him that the recession was already bottoming out and all he had to do was sit back and take credit for the recovery. They expected gushing revenues by his second term that they would use to reduce the debt and take credit for that too.

They didn’t understand how serious the collapse of the housing market was, and there was very little they could do except wait for it to bottom out. Instead they tried to put an artificial floor under it with all the loan-modification programs which screwed up the recovery.

rockmom on September 6, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Ed, you’re giving the guy way too much credit for being able to sway opinions. Here’s why.

I’ve been a staunch Clinton supporter for twenty-five years, even after abandoning the Democrat party. If anyone could have convinced me that Barack Obama isn’t as bad as I think he is, it was Bill Clinton. Last night, for the first time in my life, I walked out on him.

There was no magic in that speech. Lots of histrionics, much preaching but no indication whatsoever that Clinton actually believed what he was saying.

Much as people have begun to realize the brilliance in Clint Eastwood’s speech, so too will they come to understand the emptiness of Clinton’s performance. Ultimately, I think this will have little effect except to shore up support among the already-faithful.

creeper on September 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM

OT:

Singer Joe South has passed away.

ToddPA on September 6, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Sad to see this. “Don’t It Make You Want to Go Home?” came up on my iPod shuffle yesterday. Happily, I AM home. Now, Joe is too.

creeper on September 6, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Dems’ old man was Clinton…and try as you will, he killed* it.
Repubs’ old man was Clint…and he was dying* up there.

(*, note for the selectively sensitive: those are show biz terms)

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Rhetorically, Clinton was amazing. He was hitting notes, defending Obama, and making it seem like Obama isn’t to blame.

In reality, we know better.

The cynic in me wonders if he was at his best, so people think we want Clinton not this guy. Obama’s going to have a tough time giving a better speech.

amazingmets on September 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Now atleast Democrats state what there plans are and then carry them out in office.

Politricks on September 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Any of these “plans” ring a bell genius…

…”I’m going to cut the deficit in half”….

………”pay as you go”

…………….”I will not have lobbyist working for me and they will not set my agenda”….

……………Transparency…”I will post bills on line 5 days before they are voted on”…

…………..I will have the HealthCare negotiations on C-Span….

……………….”I will do away with pork spending”…..

…………………….”I will not raise taxes on the middle class”….

….”I will not use signing statements”……

On…and on…and on…and on Obama said he was going to do one thing…then did another.

I mean really….how much of an idiot do you have to be to declare that democrats do what they say they are going to do.

Baxter Greene on September 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Is it just me or is the fact that middle aged white men keep disregarding the importance of birth control the very reason why it must keep being brought up?

Rainsford on September 6, 2012 at 11:37 AM

So, the overnight Nielsons showed the Cowboys-Giants Kickoff NFL game at 16.5, down only 4% from last year’s Saints-Packers. Everyone expected it, the game up against Clinton’s speech last night, but hat’s not much of a hit. In fact, compared to 4 years ago, when the NFL game aired earlier to avoid McCain’s acceptance speech, this year’s game is up 63% (!!). Impact on last night’s convention rating could be interesting.

Still waiting for last night’s Dem convention/Clinton speech rating.

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Bill Clinton – Still unable to define the meaning of the word ‘is’.

ajacksonian on September 6, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Ed, you’re giving the guy way too much credit for being able to sway opinions. Here’s why.

I’ve been a staunch Clinton supporter for twenty-five years, even after abandoning the Democrat party. If anyone could have convinced me that Barack Obama isn’t as bad as I think he is, it was Bill Clinton. Last night, for the first time in my life, I walked out on him.

There was no magic in that speech. Lots of histrionics, much preaching but no indication whatsoever that Clinton actually believed what he was saying.

Much as people have begun to realize the brilliance in Clint Eastwood’s speech, so too will they come to understand the emptiness of Clinton’s performance. Ultimately, I think this will have little effect except to shore up support among the already-faithful.

creeper on September 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM

It was a weird speech…opiate for his fans but bottom line a rambling weird nomination speech.

I do enjoy the idea he kept Obama waiting backstage for almost an hour…

workingclass artist on September 6, 2012 at 11:41 AM

(*, note for the selectively sensitive: those are show biz terms)

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Borscht Belt, but whatever.

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 11:42 AM

(*, note for the selectively sensitive: those are show biz terms)

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM

This coming from the people who say that saying “Chicago” and joking about Golf is “racist”…..

…..Your Convention has watched it’s main speaker bail on Bank of America Stadium to speak in a place a third of the size……news outlets are still talking about watching the dems boo God/Jerusalem…….

………..the head of the DNC is caught lying so much on TV that she had liberal journalist claiming she is in “an alternate universe”….and then she proceeded to cancel her remaining interviews…….ratings for the Convention have been anemic at best and many prominent democrats did not even attend…

…..and your saving grace is to complain about Clint Eastwood.
Absolutely hilarious.

Baxter Greene on September 6, 2012 at 11:42 AM

The Sec. of State is supposed to be non-partisan as they represent the entire U.S. in their position.
HoosierStateofMind on September 6, 2012 at 11:15 AM

And yet Dems are treated to SECRETARY of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, SECRETARY of Education Arne Duncan, SECRETARY of Labor Hilda Solis and SECRETARY of the Interior Ken Salazar.

Not one sitting cabinet member appeared at the 2008 Republican convention. Barack Obama has politicized our government by turning it’s most distinguished members into shills.

creeper on September 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Rhetorically, Clinton was amazing.

amazingmets on September 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I watched it once, listened a second time. I tried, I really tried. The guy looked old, his hands were shaking the entire time, and I think he was suffering from a case of logorrhea.

Notice that no one, not even the media, is quoting the speech’s most memorable line(s). Just like an Obama speech, there aren’t any.

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Dems’ old man was Clinton…and try as you will, he killed* it.
Repubs’ old man was Clint…and he was dying* up there.

(*, note for the selectively sensitive: those are show biz terms)

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Rhetorically, Clinton was amazing. He was hitting notes, defending Obama, and making it seem like Obama isn’t to blame.

In reality, we know better.

The cynic in me wonders if he was at his best, so people think we want Clinton not this guy. Obama’s going to have a tough time giving a better speech.

amazingmets on September 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Clinton was way too long winded.

Eastwood made 3 memorable points…

We…you and I…own this country.

Politicians are our employees.

When someone does not do the job…We gotta let them go.

That is what people remember…Not long winded hooey from a long winded finger waggin spinmeister.

workingclass artist on September 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM

If you missed this, you have to see it (Colbert can barely suppress his laughter):

A Stunner From the Party of Slavery…”Guam Might Tip Over and Capsize”…

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/a-stunner-from-party-of-slavery.html

M2RB: Gloria Gaynor singing the theme song for “Survivor: Detroit”

Resist We Much on September 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM

The man has been a low life user nearly all of his life, why would you put a person best known for his ability to lie out of both sides of his mouth at a rostrum at the most important time for a political party?

Because Billy’s speech revved up the base. It totally fit for those on the convention floor who ate every bite. You will see Billy’s talking points over and over and over again in blog comments, tweets, etc. The “problem” for Democrats is that the speech was only for them. They weren’t gonna change their minds anyhow.

Anyone who actually vets what a speaker says would know that slick willy did what he does best – lie.

katablog.com on September 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM

My wife is recently becoming interested in politics and wanted to watch Michelle and Bill (and Joe and Obummer). Although I loathe the man, he did an outstanding job of defending the indefensible. My wife kept asking, “Is that true?” “Is that right?” “Did that happen?”

What percentage of registered voters pay attention to the what is going on? 30%? 40%?

Do not kid yourself: his speech will help Obummer.

And you don’t know how much I regret saying this.

theFantom on September 6, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Eastwood made 3 memorable points…

We…you and I…own this country.

Politicians are our employees.

When someone does not do the job…We gotta let them go.

That is what people remember…Not long winded hooey from a long winded finger waggin spinmeister.

workingclass artist on September 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM

That’s not really what people remember.
More memorable were lines like ‘I never thought it was a good idea for attorneys to the president’.
A memorable Clintonian remark (in the new sense of the word).

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 12:02 PM

…..and your saving grace is to complain about Clint Eastwood.
Absolutely hilarious.

Baxter Greene on September 6, 2012 at 11:42 AM

I remain a huge Clint Eastwood fan.
I hope the Repubs bring him out for more.
And I hear his new movie is pretty great.

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

(*, note for the selectively sensitive: those are show biz terms)

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Borscht Belt, but whatever.

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 11:42 AM

It’s been a rough day. I got up this morning, put a shirt on and a button fell off. I picked up my briefcase and the handle came off. I’m afraid to go to the bathroom.

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Eastwood made 3 memorable points…

We…you and I…own this country.

Politicians are our employees.

When someone does not do the job…We gotta let them go.

That is what people remember…Not long winded hooey from a long winded finger waggin spinmeister.

workingclass artist on September 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM

That’s not really what people remember.
More memorable were lines like ‘I never thought it was a good idea for attorneys to the president’.
A memorable Clintonian remark (in the new sense of the word).

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Actually, you make his point. Everyone got a memorable jab or two from Eastwood’s speech. And it only takes one to puncture a balloon.

Now, quick, Clinton’s best line of the night… (cue Jeopardy music)… (take nap)…

“Yeah, but he really rallied the base!”

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 12:15 PM

FLASH !!! FLASH !!!!! NEWS ALERT !!!! FLASH !!!! FLASH !!!

Instant Poll of U.S..

Question:

“Who is the bigger liar of the Democrat Party?”

50% Bill Clinton

50% John Kerry

No win for the DNC.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on September 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM

It’s been a rough day. I got up this morning, put a shirt on and a button fell off. I picked up my briefcase and the handle came off. I’m afraid to go to the bathroom.

verbaluce on September 6, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Bad-a-bing. Okay, give you that one. Just don’t tell us you’ll be here all week.

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Try as I might. I just couldn’t concentrate on his speech with that little something shining off the corner of his mouth. All I heard was this.

Tennman on September 6, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 6, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Your name indicates that you like Dodd and Kennedy even more.

Vince on September 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM

..or as the lovely and talented RWM refers to C.I.B.I.T.M.: Lucky Pierre.

The War Planner on September 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Yes, cheating and lying is such a son that you were willing to make Cain or Gingrich your nominees knowing full well they are even worst on that front. Takes brass to call out someone else for something you did too.

I bet you’ll miss my subtle method here …

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on September 6, 2012 at 9:08 AM

lol, what “method”?

Unlike Clinton, Cain and Gingrich never committed Felony perjury, never were disbarred, and were never found in Contempt of Court by Federal Judges who also just so happened to be former law students of theirs.

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 6, 2012 at 12:31 PM

The best part of Clinton’s speech is seeing all the progs who crucified him as a racist, triangulating liar in 2008 heaping praise on him now & claiming he “just won Obama’s re-election for him.” Problem for them though — Obama actually has a record to run on for the first time in his life & no speech is going to make voters forget that when they walk into the voting booth & see “Obama” not “Clinton” on the ballot.

Dark Star on September 6, 2012 at 12:36 PM

the redneck Cary Grant

Mr. Arkadin on September 6, 2012 at 9:46 AM

A+++++

Del Dolemonte on September 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Try as I might. I just couldn’t concentrate on his speech with that little something shining off the corner of his mouth. All I heard was this.

Tennman on September 6, 2012 at 12:28 PM

HA!

aaaand in this corner….a blue dress

workingclass artist on September 6, 2012 at 12:41 PM

The Most MASTERFUL Piece of SABOTAGE Yet! Bill Clinton #Eastwooding the DNC with his own empty chair.

Mutnodjmet on September 6, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Wow that is some weak sauce of a fact check.

Nice try.

Old Man Sedgewick on September 6, 2012 at 10:17 AM

How’s that Charlotte weather forecast for tonight looking, Uncle Red?

Del Dolemonte on September 6, 2012 at 12:42 PM

I saw the Clinton speech as a subtle undermining of Obama’s re-election strategy. Everyone knows that Bill thinks that Hillary will have a better chance to win the Presidency if a Republican administration precedes her next run at it.

Clinton’s speech focused on Obamacare and the Economy: two subjects which Obama DOES NOT want to talk about before the election!! Now Obama is practically forced to deal with these issues.

Also, the transparent, and in some cases silly lies Clinton told about Obama’s “accomplishments” will be quickly and loudly exposed in the next few days: this will further discredit Obama, and will remove the perception of “accomplishments” from Obama’s re-election effort.

This was clearly a Clinton payback for previous Obama sins against Hillary.

landlines on September 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM

As far as Clinton speech goes, I think he did a GREAT job. However you feel about him personally I think most people remember his time in office as being economically sound and peaceful, No wars, No massive debt

Politricks on September 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM

You’re almost as good of a Liar as your hero Clenis is.

According to the Fed, the economic recovery that Clinton claimed credit for actually began in March of 1991, 18 months before he was elected. But the Democrat Media ignored that recovery in order to get him elected. The New York Times finally admitted that the recovery in fact did begin in March of 1991. But it took them until October of 1999 to do so.

As for “wars”, Clinton left his successor 2 of them. bin Laden himself said that the 9/11 attacks were planned to happen on Clinton’s watch, and Clinton also let Saddam Hussein build up his arsenals and kill his own people despite signing the Iraq Liberation Act. His Justice Department also directly linked Saddam and bin Laden.

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 6, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Acting sec of states generally dont attend conventions.

Rice didnt attend Bushes. And I didnt see her running for office after his term.

Just saying…

Politricks on September 6, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Thanks so much for admitting that Hillary’s not a real Secretary of State. But we all knew that already.

A+

Del Dolemonte on September 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM

THE FACTS: That’s wishful thinking at best. The nation’s total health care tab has been growing at historically low rates, but most experts attribute that to continued uncertainty over the economy, not to Obama’s health care law.
——

Wow that is some weak sauce of a fact check.

Nice try.

Dave Rywall on September 6, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I actually agree with Drywall here. ObamaCare targeting insurance costs far more than the health care costs. Family insurance premiums went up 9% in 2011 vs 3% in 2010 when ObamaCare was passed.

And I can even use Factcheck.org as there’s no denying it

That’s bad, Drywall.

Chuck Schick on September 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Actually, you make his point. Everyone got a memorable jab or two from Eastwood’s speech. And it only takes one to puncture a balloon.

Now, quick, Clinton’s best line of the night… (cue Jeopardy music)… (take nap)…

“Yeah, but he really rallied the base!”

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I think his best and most memorable line was….SCOREBOARD.
Dems: 42 million jobs
Repubs: 24 million jobs.

That’s a blowout.

sob0728 on September 6, 2012 at 1:07 PM

I think his best and most memorable line was….SCOREBOARD.
Dems: 42 million jobs
Repubs: 24 million jobs.

That’s a blowout.

sob0728 on September 6, 2012 at 1:07 PM

If you like what happened under Clinton, Obama needs a GOP congress.

Chuck Schick on September 6, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Mitt’s already got a Bill Clinton ad up !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-21wrrmpxzE&feature=player_embedded

pambi on September 6, 2012 at 1:22 PM

That’s a blowout.

sob0728 on September 6, 2012 at 1:07 PM

So here’s the big money line:

“Well since 1961, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24. In those 52 years, our economy produced 66 million private sector jobs. What’s the jobs score? Republicans 24 million, Democrats 42 million!”

Yes, he brilliantly made the case for electing JFK, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton… but not Obama:

John F. Kennedy: Increase of 2.7 million jobs
Lyndon B. Johnson: Increase of 9.5 million jobs
Jimmy Carter: Increase of 9.0 million jobs
Bill Clinton: Increase of 20.8 million jobs
Barack Obama: Increase of 332,000 jobs

That was deliberate.

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Unlike Clinton, Cain and Gingrich never committed Felony perjury, never were disbarred, and were never found in Contempt of Court by Federal Judges who also just so happened to be former law students of theirs.

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 6, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Awesome bitchslap!

Rebar on September 6, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I saw two news items at about the same time:
Bill Clinton speaking at the Democratic Convention.
Somewhere a giant earthworm was found in a gutter.

I wonder if the two are related?

mad scientist on September 6, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Yes, he brilliantly made the case for electing JFK, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton… but not Obama:

John F. Kennedy: Increase of 2.7 million jobs
Lyndon B. Johnson: Increase of 9.5 million jobs
Jimmy Carter: Increase of 9.0 million jobs
Bill Clinton: Increase of 20.8 million jobs
Barack Obama: Increase of 332,000 jobs
That was deliberate.

de rigueur on September 6, 2012 at 1:25 PM

And I think you may have deliberately left out the part about GW Bush being at negative 600,000+ jobs. I’ll take the 50 year trend of better job creation, thank you. The policies of the Dems are better at creating jobs. The numbers are right there for everyone to see.

sob0728 on September 6, 2012 at 1:31 PM

The good news: Clinton’s arguments against Republicans are almost completely invalid.
The bad news: American voters have never been more stupid and they’ll believe and repeat as truth every word this slick turd said.

CrustyB on September 6, 2012 at 1:32 PM

All I can say is Thank You, ITguy at 9:24AM

THAT my friend is weapons grade data.
I’ll see it in my local paper just before Hell freezes over.

Missilengr on September 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM

And I think you may have deliberately left out the part about GW Bush being at negative 600,000+ jobs. I’ll take the 50 year trend of better job creation, thank you. The policies of the Dems are better at creating jobs. The numbers are right there for everyone to see.

sob0728 on September 6, 2012 at 1:31 PM

If you take the BLS number employed in January 2001 vs January 2009, the number is +6 million jobs.

But don’t let truth get in your way.

Chuck Schick on September 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I believe Juanita!

Richard Blaine on September 6, 2012 at 1:44 PM

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