ADP report: 201K jobs added to private sector in August
posted at 9:21 am on September 6, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
Two key indicators on employment show a hint of moderate job growth for August 2012, one day ahead of the official report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. First, weekly jobless claims dropped slightly to 365,000 last week, according to the Department of Labor:
In the week ending September 1, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 365,000, a decrease of 12,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 377,000. The 4-week moving average was 371,250, an increase of 250 from the previous week’s revised average of 371,000.
The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.6 percent for the week ending August 25, unchanged from the prior week’s unrevised rate. The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending August 25 was 3,322,000, a decrease of 6,000 from the preceding week’s revised level of 3,328,000. The 4-week moving average was 3,320,750, a decrease of 3,500 from the preceding week’s revised average of 3,324,250.
That’s still within the same 360-380K band we’ve seen from this series for the last 17 months. The one-week drop wasn’t enough to outweigh increases in the previous three weeks, which is why the rolling average edged up slightly. However, all of these changes are within the range of statistical noise. None of them indicate a serious move in any direction except continuation of the status quo.
Next, ADP released its projection of job growth in the private sector, which offers better news:
Employment in the U.S. nonfarm private business sector increased by 201,000 from July to August, on a seasonally adjusted basis. The estimated gain from June to July was revised up from the initial estimate of 163,000 to 173,000.
Employment in the private, service-providing sector expanded 185,000 in August, up from 156,000 in July. Employment in the private, goods-producing sector added 16,000 jobs in August. Manufacturing employment rose 3,000, following an increase of 6,000 in July.
Employment on large payrolls—those with 500 or more workers—increased 16,000 and employment on medium payrolls—those with 50 to 499 workers—rose 86,000 in August. Employment on small payrolls—those with up to 49 workers—rose 99,000 that same period. Of the 86,000 jobs created on medium- sized payrolls, 12,000 jobs were created by the goods producing sector and 74,000 jobs were created by the service-providing sector.
The problem with ADP is that it usually overshoots the mark significantly. The use of ADP works better as a trend indicator rather than as a precise predictor of BLS outcomes. Last month, however, the unadjusted number was identical to the overall addition of 163K jobs to the economy. This month, the ADP number is slightly higher, which means one has to determine whether to buy into the trend and expect something similar from tomorrow’s report, or whether to fall back to the ~60% figure that eliminates the normal overstatement from ADP.
At least one economist is going with the latter, according to CNBC:
Economists could ratchet up current expectations of 125,000 new jobs and an unchanged unemployment rate of 8.3 percent, though the jobs picture remains cloudy.
“We still have a long ways to go, and given our macro forecast for the rest of the year into next year I’m not expecting a further acceleration in the monthly employment gains,” Joel Prakken, chairman of Macroeconomic Advisors, told CNBC.
Prakken said the ADP number could suggest a “slight decline” in the jobless rate.
Wall Street had been expecting ADP to show about 145,000 new jobs.
However, the Gallup survey — which mirrors the same techniques as the BLS — comes to the opposite conclusion, expecting a slight tick upward in the jobless rate:
U.S. unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, is 8.1% for the month of August, down slightly from 8.3% measured in mid-August and 8.2% for the month of July. Gallup’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for August is also 8.1%, a slight uptick from 8.0% at the end of July. …
U.S. unemployment declined significantly during the first part of the year, but August marks the third straight month with little change in the unadjusted number. Gallup’s estimate of adjusted unemployment has increased by 0.3 percentage points since June. Despite the lackluster jobs growth, August’s 2012 unadjusted and adjusted unemployment are each more than a full point lower than they were in August 2011.
Underemployment, as measured without seasonal adjustment, was 17.1% in August, unchanged from the end of July but significantly improved from 18.5% a year ago. Gallup’s U.S. underemployment measure combines the percentage who are unemployed with the percentage of those working part time but looking for full-time work. Gallup does not apply a seasonal adjustment to underemployment. Demographic breakouts of Gallup’s U.S. unemployment and underemployment numbers for August are found on page 2.
Two weeks ago, Gallup was seeing an uptick in unemployment, which may have smoothed out as the back-to-school season approached. We’ll see soon enough.
Let’s offer the same poll on job additions in tomorrow’s report that we’ve used the last few months. I’ll predict an addition of 121,000 jobs, with the jobless rate remaining 8.3%. What do you think tomorrow’s job additions will be?
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Only solution to this for Dems and RINOs, for tax ‘expenditures’ –
Tax Ireland!
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM
Shouldn’t O’bama be able to talk to some of his relatives over there and sort things out?
rightmind on May 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM
That is called “competition’. Something Obama understands about as well as he spells or pronounces common words.
pat on May 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM
Abolish the corporate tax. It isn’t even close to being worth having. Just make dividends part of income.
Count to 10 on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM
Don’t touch the Guinness…
d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM
Tax it like hell!
It’s costing American liberals spending money.
What are you — anti-American?
I bet you’d shoot a guy you might catch raping a woman, without knowing his circumstances and how he feels.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Since some of my companies do business offshore, I am as guilty as Apple, albeit on a comparatively infinitesimal scale, in setting up Irish holding companies that place company funds in American banks and other American-based financial vehicles. All perfectly legal.
Why, because I don’t wish to pay a single penny more in taxes, no matter to which government that’s involved. Why does Apple do it or, for that matter, any other huge publicly traded entity do it? Well, if they didn’t, they’d be open to shareholder suits for “wasting corporate assets” or shareholder “Change of Management” proxy fights at their next annual meeting, which would be prosecuted by some multi-billion dollar investment fund holders.
A publicly held company has a lot more scrutiny, due to its board’s fiduciary duty to shareholders, than does a simple, greedy bastard like me.
TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM
lol, He was just socially awkward and didn’t know how to ask politely.
arnold ziffel on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM
I hope you get filthy rich.
And never hire liberals.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM
I love to mention this sort of stuff to my Apple using lib friends.
How Apple uses foreign labor (toss in exploit for extra effect) and minimizes their tax exposure thru perfectly legal means.
Fun to watch them squirm.
Hill60 on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM
Ban St Patrick’s Day parades !!
burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM
Kill a rapist, offend a liberal.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM
No! We can’t do THAT!
Tax it instead! See — a level playing field.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM
If following the law to avoid paying taxes is wrong, can we impeach Obama on the fact that he claimed deductions on his 1040?
malclave on May 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM
That’s funny. When Clinton made one of his returns public years ago, he wrote off his used undershorts at $2.50 each.
I don’t file a long form any more. But when I did, I never claimed my charitable donations. What I return to God does not leave me room to try getting back a piece of it.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM
I’d like to travel back into the past and bitchslap everyone involved in setting up LoN/UN
dmacleo on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM
Well, when your choice is paying the Irish 12.5% on offshore earnings vs. the IRS’s 35% on same, almost three times as much, this Texan’s ready to share a pint and a “top ‘o the mornin’ to ye.”
TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM
Great !
Now let them try to tax Cinco de Mayo parade ,
you know for a level playing field !!
burrata on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM
Long as ye buy the first pint, we celebrate!
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM
That would be racist, man. What is wrong with you?
The Irish aren’t a minority.
Why do I hang out with you people? /
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Nigh a problem, William. I’ll buy the pints, you bring the lassies.
TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM
Deal!
I have a thing for redheads. That okay there?
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM
Éirinn go Brách (or for my English friends, Erin go Bragh)
IrishEyes on May 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM
From an American of Scot lineage: Ciamar a tha thu?
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM
Tax Bono.
Ronnie on May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM
That’s one way of looking at it, the other way of looking at it, is that by claiming the deduction, it provides more to give. i.e, if you are in the 28% bracket, if you don’t take the deduction, for every dollar you donate, you have to earn $1.39.
AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM
+1000
Out his a$$!
He’s nothing but an international panhandler in a Bond Street suit.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM
I’m no longer in position to itemize. But I have a personal religious view. I worked from there.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM
I do, too. If I get $100 bill from a bank (I hate $100 bills) I put it in the first charity box I see, wrapped in a $1. We’re not rich, rich. We just have a little breathing room. My philosophy is good deeds don’t count if you tell someone or claim it as a deduction. My accountant hates me… lol.
Fallon on May 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM
I’m of the view, as according to Scripture, that for what we do in private with the Lord, He will reward us openly.
I believe as you do.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM
Everybody needs to do what their conscience tells them. I think where one would get off track is if one were to give because it is tax deducttible.
AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM
… as far as giving without publicizing it; up until this week, I was under the impression that my charitable donations were completely private and that the IRS would keep those records private.
AZfederalist on May 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM
THAT describes a liberal.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM
Think about it — Bill Clinton deducted from his $2.50 a pair for his ‘donated undershorts, and we’re expected to think he’s somehow a ‘nice guy’?
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM
I’m in a bad mood all day.
Give me a troll to chew on.
Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM
We do a lot of things wrong in Ireland
but the corporate tax rate was one of the things we did right
now the eurocrats want to take it away
breffnian on May 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM
Apple: “Hey Ireland how about a low tax rate?”
Ireland: Brilliant!
Apple: Brilliant!
BKennedy on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM
Good. That’s my only problem with Apple doing this; that they are a bunch of hypocritical progs.
As to declaring taxes, I’ve considered the doing in private aspect, and really respect those who chose that route, but when I consider all the pure evil the government does with my tax dollar, I chose to keep as much out of their wicked hands as legally possible. I still fear it won’t be enough to wash me of the guilt I have in continuing to fund that evil.
pannw on May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM
The proggie lib hears only “misses out on … tax revenue” and says, “That’s not fair! You’re not paying your fair share!”
When asked about the jobs, the proggie lib responds indignantly, “Well, since you won’t give EVERYONE a well-paying programmer or executive job, then THAT’S NOT FAIR either!”
When told life isn’t fair, the proggie lib snarls, “Once the government controls everything, IT WILL BE!”
Marcola on May 22, 2013 at 12:26 AM
Letting too many snakes onto the Emerald Isle in P.C. stupidity.
O’Sharia.
profitsbeard on May 22, 2013 at 3:49 AM
Say there wasn’t anyone on that panel that has a rich heiress wife that shelters her NINE-figure fortune in a Trust, is there?
Cough-Cindy-Cough-McCain…
Tekov Yahoser on May 22, 2013 at 4:57 AM
I guess the Senate Democrats figured they’d found a pot o’ gold.
Odysseus on May 22, 2013 at 7:27 AM
The nerve of those Irish.
Not taxing everyone that wants to do business in their country over 50%. To not support their ruling elite with well earned compensation and benefits such as “seperate but equal” healthcare, pensions/social security, immunity from tax and regulations as well as most non felonious law.
They are obviously infidels and heathens unworthy of our fearless leaders support.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 7:31 AM