That post betrays such an ignorance of market economics and common sense…
 
AZfederalist on September 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM

 
Not only market economics but Physics as well…
 
mnjg on September 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM

 
Add math to the list.
 
rogerb on September 4, 2012 at 4:11 PM

 
And seeing a thread through to the end as well.
 
Strong debating skills as ever, bayam. Well done.

So – RIGHT THERE – is DIRECT evidence that even APPEARING to be willing to start drilling lowers the price at the pump – DRAMATICALLY.

Actually, a lot of progressives in the new economy support clean energy because it’s seen as the only great promise for working class job growth. Manufacturing jobs are clearly aggregating to the developing world while software and digital services continue to destroy jobs in the traditional economy. Clean energy is one of the few opportunities to turn the tide.

And you’re not addressing the indirect subsidy of the US military presence in the Middle East.

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Manufacturing jobs fled under the combined pressure of labor costs and regulatory burdens. Reduce the latter, and the jobs will, to the degree that they can, stay here, and flourish. Skilled manufacturing jobs do not get moved offshore strictly for labor cost reasons, due to the inherent support costs attendant to moving parts offshore.

Traditional energy jobs, and jobs in the refining industry, offer a much better way to build permanent, high-wage jobs.

Actually, a lot of progressives in the new economy support clean energy because it’s seen as the only great promise for working class job growth…

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I’m just guessing, but ‘a lot’ under your definition must be more than can be counted on one hand?

Actually, a lot of progressives in the new economy support clean energy because it’s seen as the only great promise for working class job growth…

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 4:30 PM

um, before the latest news on the manufacturing stall, Biden was telling us in was manufacuring, not clean energy…

China isn’t undermining US solar companies, nothing to discuss here.

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Stop embarrassing yourself, bayam. Everyone knows that China tries to make everything as inexpensively as possible and they manipulate their currency.

Neither of those things excuses Obama with respect to Solyndra. Why on earth was so much taxpayer money dumped into making a product that didn’t have better superior competitive advantages? Why couldn’t their product compete on something better than just price, and more importantly why didn’t the investment decision makers avoid making an investment in something that wouldn’t be able to compete on price.

Apparently, it’s my job to teach you science, math, economic, and business fundamentals.

I think we need to be quite frank in pointing out the double standards and rank hypocrisy of the left. I, for one, am not willing to let them haul Bush over the coals for something and then give the current administration a pass for the same thing.

Shoe, on other foot… live with it lefties. Which also is the danger in electing a guy who claims his simply being in office will fix everything, because he’s so transformational – that is lower the oceans, heal the planet… ect.

Why are you conflating Germany’s solar energy infrastructure with the decision to shutter nuke plants? Those are separate issues.

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM

He’s not.

He BUSTED you first implying that Germany’s energy decisions were a result of their understand science and economics and later claiming that this huge energy decision Germany made was due to irrational (unscientific and uneconomic) fear.

Are you seriously pretending that you didn’t completely reverse yourself within 15 minutes?

rogerb on September 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Why are you conflating Germany’s solar energy infrastructure with the decision to shutter nuke plants? Those are separate issues.

Here’s Bayam now trying to blame both parties for the failures of the Presidents’ energy policy masquerading as an incompetent loss of other people’s money, and hints at Obama’s failures being the fault of the Chinese.

Yes, Forbes and HumanEvents are just tools of Obama, looking to justify his solar investments. China isn’t undermining US solar companies, nothing to discuss here.

No one from either party has a serious plan for dealing with China

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 5:38 PM

If we stopped burdening our own companies down with regulations, then we could be much more competitive.

The market was thoroughly researched yet Solyndra was bankrupted by Chinese competition? What does “thoroughly” mean in your mind?

AZfederalist on September 4, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Competitive analysis has certainly been a part of any investment decision that I’ve ever been a part of, but that’s not going to stop bayam from trying to offer up useless excuses for Obama with respect to Solyndra.

You completely missed the point of the article. Yes, the market has been properly researched and everyone realizes that China is trying to dominate the market by undercutting US solar innovation.

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Wow. Just wow. I missed the point? The market was thoroughly researched yet Solyndra was bankrupted by Chinese competition? What does “thoroughly” mean in your mind? The administration poured 500 Million dollars into a company and had no clue that China would undercut the market? Really? China is undercutting US solar innovation? If it was so @#$%’d innovative, then how come China came out ahead? Because, you see, that’s what innovation really is, a creative solution that reduces the cost of a good or service below what the competition can produce.

Again, that only covers Solyndra, how about the other companies, after all the flywheel energy storage company didn’t get undercut by the Chinese.

No one from either party has a serious plan for dealing with China, including the free trade geniuses who gave China a path to destroying so many US jobs.
 
bayam on September 4, 2012 at 5:38 PM

 
Any number of readers are interested in what brand of computer you’re posting with.

New 15-minutes-later hotness:

rogerb on September 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Heh, that didn’t take long.

Maybe someday bayam will stop being irrationally afraid of science and start to learn enough in order to have a real discussion about it.

Yes, and fearing CO2 is irrational as well.

Hey, those Germans have a history full of irrational fears…CO2, tsunami’s, radiation, Jews, etc.

I could make an argument the Germans aren’t the best support feature in an argument.

That’s called irrational fear. Most Germans even realize that it’s a stupid decision but fear once unleashed has a way of clouding the thought process.

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Yes, and fearing CO2 is irrational as well.

Notice that they needed to use coal plants when they wanted to replace the capacity? Do you know why?

No one from either party has a serious plan for dealing with China, including the free trade geniuses who gave China a path to destroying so many US jobs.

bayam on September 4, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Here’s Bayam now trying to blame both parties for the failures of the Presidents’ energy policy masquerading as an incompetent loss of other people’s money, and hints at Obama’s failures being the fault of the Chinese.

No, dear, Solyndra and all the other bankrupt “green” energy companies fall squarely on Obama’s plate.

Thanks for the endorphin release.

Goebbels laughs his dead azz off. It’s all simply surreal. His expectations/imgaination have been surpassed, by far.

Yes, Germany is full of idiots who don’t understand science and economics. There’s no way that a clean energy infrastructure can be self-sustaining. It’ so simple!
 
bayam on September 4, 2012 at 5:14 PM

 
New 15-minutes-later hotness:
 

That’s called irrational fear. Most Germans even realize that it’s a stupid decision but fear once unleashed has a way of clouding the thought process.
 
bayam on September 4, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Any day now conservatives are going to kill off Apple,

Do you think Apple can explain how over 12 million USIDs for Apple devices, with personally identifying information (name, address, phone number) came to be in the possession of an FBI agent, and hacked by Anonymous?

Of course, the FBI has denied it.