Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on September 2, 2012 by Allahpundit

U.S. intelligence analysts watching for indicators of Israeli military action recently reported that there are signs the Jewish state plans an attack against Iran in October.

The Obama administration, meanwhile, is preparing to provide logistical support for a military strike but is pressing Israel to delay any action until the administration’s policy of sanctions have had more time to work, and that any attack would be put off until after the November presidential election…

Any Israeli military attack is expected to be carried out with little or no warning, which has meant stepped up monitoring of Israel by U.S. intelligence agencies for all indicators of an impending attack.

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Israel’s prime minister on Sunday urged the international community to get tougher against Iran, saying that without a “clear red line,” Tehran will not halt its nuclear program…

“The [new UN] report confirms what I have been saying for a long time – the international sanctions are burdening Iran’s economy, but they are not delaying the development of the Iranian nuclear program,” Netanyahu said.

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Iran dramatically increased its production of a more enriched form of uranium in recent months, U.N. inspectors reported Thursday, suggesting that the country’s nuclear facilities were ramping up their output even as Iran’s leaders engaged in international negotiations on possible curbs to its nuclear program…

The report, based on routine monitoring of Iran’s nuclear facilities, documented a sizable jump in Iran’s stockpile of uranium enriched to 20 percent, a level that can be converted relatively easily to the more highly enriched uranium needed for weapons. The report said Iran has 255 pounds of uranium enriched at 20 percent, up from 159 pounds in May.

But the IAEA also found that Iran had converted much of the new material to metal form for use in a nuclear research reactor. Once the conversion has taken place, the uranium can’t be further enriched to weapons-grade material, Obama administration officials said.

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Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu got into a diplomatic shouting match with US Ambassador Dan Shapiro over US President Barack Obama’s handling of Iran’s nuclear program, saying “time has run out” for diplomacy, Yediot Aharonot cited a source as saying on Friday…

A source that participated in the meeting said that a particularly angry and stressed Netanyahu began a tirade against the US president, attacking him for not doing enough on Iran. “Instead of pressuring Iran in an effective way, Obama and his people are pressuring us not to attack the nuclear facilities,” the source quoted Netanyahu as saying…

The American ambassador is said to have responded politely but firmly, telling Netanyahu that he was distorting Obama’s position. Obama promised not to allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, he explained, and left all options on the table, including military options.

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Seven months ago, Israel and the United States postponed a massive joint military exercise that was originally set to go forward just as concerns were brimming that Israel would launch a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. The exercise was rescheduled for late October, and appears likely to go forward on the cusp of the U.S. presidential election. But it won’t be nearly the same exercise. Well-placed sources in both countries have told TIME that Washington has greatly reduced the scale of U.S. participation, slashing by more than two-thirds the number of American troops going to Israel and reducing both the number and potency of missile interception systems at the core of the joint exercise.

“Basically what the Americans are saying is, ‘We don’t trust you,’” a senior Israeli military official tells TIME…

In the current political context, the U.S. logic is transparent, says Israeli analyst Efraim Inbar. “I think they don’t want to insinuate that they are preparing something together with the Israelis against Iran – that’s the message,” says Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University. “Trust? We don’t trust them. They don’t trust us. All these liberal notions! Even a liberal president like Obama knows better.”

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A senior [Israeli] government official on Saturday characterized as “strange” a recent statement by US military chief Gen. Martin Dempsey that he would not want to be “complicit” in an Israeli attack on Iran.

“Dempsey’s comments are strange in that they would seem to contradict the continual statements from the White House that the security and defense cooperation between Israel and the US has never been as close,” the senior official said…

Amid the disagreements between Jerusalem and Washington over whether Iran needed to be stopped before it had acquired all components for a bomb (Israel’s position), or only once it started putting the bomb together, [Israeli intel chief Dan] Meridor said US President Barack Obama’s statement that he was committed to preventing Iran from getting a bomb, and would not be satisfied by containment of a nuclear Iran, needed to be taken seriously.

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Israel’s vice prime minister Moshe Yaalon said on Friday he feared Iran did not believe it faced a real military threat from the outside world because of mixed messages from foreign powers.

“We have an exchange of views, including with our friends in the United States, who in our opinion, are in part responsible for this feeling in Iran,” he told Israel’s 100FM radio station.

“There are many cracks in the ring closing tighter on Iran. We criticize this,” he said, also singling out U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon for travelling to Tehran this week.

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“There is definitely a narrative in the media right now – I’d say an overheated one – about tension between the US and Israel over Iran,” [U.S. ambassador Dan] Shapiro said, adding that this narrative does not “reflect the very close coordination and very intense work we’ve done together to address an issue that we perceive the same way, which is the importance of preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.”

Asked why the US did not give the Iranians a clear ultimatum – stop the nuclear program “or else” – Shapiro replied: “I think there is no mistaking what the US is prepared to do.” Shapiro said that Obama and Netanyahu, as well as their “teams,” speak regularly, and that the relationship “at the top” is “just what it needs to be.”

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Mr. Dayan’s assessment seems to buttress the theory that the collective saber rattling is part of a campaign to pressure the Obama administration and the international community, rather than an indication of the imminence of an Israeli strike. Many analysts here believe that hawkish statements by Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Barak this spring led to the harsher sanctions now in place, and that this is essentially Round 2…

While Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Barak have been criticized as “messianic” in their thinking on the Iranian nuclear issue and are widely viewed as ready, if not eager, to take military action to stop it, Mr. Dayan said they would prefer that the United States led any attack, even if that meant waiting until after the November presidential election. But “they have to make the decision whether to strike or not before November,” he said, so they need to hear from Mr. Obama “in the coming two weeks, in the coming month.”

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Almost four years into their partnership, the two most important players — Bibi and Barack — still seem out of whack with one another both personally and on some key policy issues.

What’s happening here? I’ve got a pretty simple diagnosis: Netanyahu’s policies and suspicions about American intentions have combined with Obama’s seemingly emotionless view of Israel to spell trouble. The absence of a common enterprise makes matters worse.

The Iranian challenge might still provide a grand reunion between the two parties. But if history is any guide, serious clashes between Israeli prime ministers and American presidents are not resolved by reconciliation but by the departure of one or the other. That may mean we’re in for an extended period of turbulence: I’m betting that in this case, both Bibi and Barack may be around for the long haul.


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I bid you all a fond goodnight. Its been a real pleasure, as always. See you soon. :)

thatsafactjack on September 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM

The Republican Party is no longer a party of the people. It is a party of the elite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ibZIw9P3pc

For more info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE

Do the right thing, email these links around to people. Make your protests known. Vote for Gary Johnson. Make sure the GOP elites coup over the grass roots does not succeed.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Good evening ya’ll…

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Evening, SWalker!

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Vote for Gary Johnson.
FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Such a great set up, then a horrible delivery.

You actually had me up to that point.

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Goodnight, Jackie! Good to see you.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:09 AM

How do you feel about the last sentence?

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Nice to see you Walker! :)

thatsafactjack on September 3, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Good evening ya’ll…

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Evening, SWalker!

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM

And a very good evening to both of you fine ladies… ;)

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:09 AM

LoLz..Reminded me of the *empty chair*..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

thatsafactjack on September 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Enjoyed it!..Later!..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Hahaaa!

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:13 AM

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:09 AM

LoLz..Reminded me of the *empty chair*..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Have you read my blog article on Clint’s speech? With Glint of Steel and speed of hand the knife doth cut so fast the victim feels not the mortal wounds.

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 1:13 AM

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM


Lanceman!

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Lanceman!

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:14 AM

We need a special whistle.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:17 AM

How do you feel about the last sentence?

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Irrelevant. Only the most idiotic country destroying nutball would do something as stupid as you suggest with the stakes so high.

Irrelevant, just like you.

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Evening, RINO.

I believe everyone has been talking about a strike for so long in order to deter a strike. Israel should play is very close to the vest. BO & his ilk will leak everything they hear. IMHO

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Evening 4Grace.

I agree that’s the intent, but unfortunately, I think it’s been done too much to be effective. The people involved seem to have never heard the story of The Boy Who Cried, “Imminent Israeli strike if Iran doesn’t stop it’s nuke program”.

RINO in Name Only on September 3, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Have you read my blog article on Clint’s speech? With Glint of Steel and speed of hand the knife doth cut so fast the victim feels not the mortal wounds.

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Still reading it. Very good, so far. :)

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:20 AM

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Very nice!..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Do the right thing, email these links around to people. Make your protests known. Vote for Gary Johnson. Make sure the GOP elites coup over the grass roots does not succeed.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM

You forgot to add the conclusion:

If you don’t post this on ten other message boards within the hour, then Mitt Romney will give you cancer.

RINO in Name Only on September 3, 2012 at 1:22 AM

RINO in Name Only on September 3, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Ah, yes. A childhood classic.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:22 AM

People who understand the value of our Constitutional rights and have any sense of political self preservation whatsoever should be up in arms about the GOP elite coup against the grass roots as discussed in the videos above. Allowing this to pass means that the Republican Party is no longer a party of the people, serving their interests, it will be a party of the elite. They have so much money to throw around these days, now that they’ve popularized printing so much of it, that they can afford to pay employees to take the place of grass roots. Grass roots people who work for free will be considered useful idiots and won’t be in the loop.

You can’t sacrifice your voice in the political process just to get rid of Obama. He’s a crappy president but many Republicans suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome every bit as much as people on the left had Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Look, if Obama is really as bad as people say and America can’t last another 4 years of Obama, then that means we need a drastic change. Romney is not a drastic change. That’s like screaming OH MY GOD WE’RE GOING TO DIE! when you get in a hottub and then adding a few ice cubes and going ah, just right!

If Obama is so bad because of Obamacare, as he is, then so is Romney because of Romneycare. But never mind that, the Romney GOP is being run like a dictatorship! If you go along with this you and your progeny will once again be surfs.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:26 AM

If you don’t post this on ten other message boards within the hour, then Mitt Romney will give you cancer.

RINO in Name Only on September 3, 2012 at 1:22 AM

The first part about posting the videos above to other message boards and making your protest known is good.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:28 AM

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:26 AM

So…you’re NOT voting for Romney? I’m not quite clear on your feelings for the man.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:29 AM

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Yes dear, have a cookie.

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:30 AM

The first part about posting the videos above to other message boards and making your protest known is good.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Then hop to it man!

The revolution needs you.

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Mission accomplished, FR. Off to bed with me.

a capella on September 3, 2012 at 1:31 AM

This is way OT, since, you know, I just showed up. But, I have a question.

Did that SOB (Obama) actually film something for the movie Battleship? Or was the footage of him something he said somewhere else?

I hope on all that is Holy he didn’t actually read lines. President Kardashian indeed.

cptacek on September 3, 2012 at 1:31 AM

you and your progeny will once again be surfs.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:26 AM

If you wish to speed up the serfdom, you’ll vote for Johnson, or Obama, as it will have the same result.

If only you knew how I feel for your frustration, good young person, who has been cheated and robbed by both parties. Still, you must not allow Obama to stay. This is imperative #1. If he stays all other is nothing.

Schadenfreude on September 3, 2012 at 1:32 AM

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:18 AM

The rule changes are irrelevant to you? You indicated that you agreed with my post up until I mentioned voting for Gary Johnson, so I thought you meant you opposed the GOP coup but weren’t going to vote for Gary Johnson. I thought, that’s fair, you can vote for whoever you want, but do you agree with the last sentence indicating that the GOP elite can’t be allowed to get away with their coup?

And so if I interpret your comment above correctly you think the coup is irrelevant….

Do you realize that with these new rules Reagan would not have been president? Did you vote for Reagan? How do you feel about the fact that the establishment who opposed Reagan just took over the party and another Reagan is impossible now? Now it’s the Bush/Romney Party, we the people are no longer welcome, only if you’re one of their sycophants.

Romney is the anti-Reagan. Maybe you don’t care but a lot of people do. Please watch the first video at least, it’s only a few minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ibZIw9P3pc

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:35 AM

The rule changes are irrelevant to you?

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:35 AM

No, but your nutballyness makes you irrelevant to the cause.

cozmo on September 3, 2012 at 1:37 AM

The Republican Party is no longer a party of the people. It is a party of the elite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ibZIw9P3pc

For more info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE

Do the right thing, email these links around to people. Make your protests known. Vote for Gary Johnson. Make sure the GOP elites coup over the grass roots does not succeed.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM


For our late night readers … Behold the moby encouraging internicine warfare.

The moby would have you believe “ALL IS LOST” and only an act of political seppuku can ever “MAKE THINGS RIGHT” because the Establishment Republicans are “EVIL, EVIL, EVIL!”

The reality is both political parties are part of the problem. Hence , the Tea Party was born.

If you are reading here, it is likely you already know Ted Cruz beat the Establishment Republican candidate in the Senatorial primary in Texas … and not by just a little bit. And he is by no means unique this year.

The answer, gentle readers, is NOT to burn down the Republican tent with everyone inside.

The answer, to simple for our simple moby to comprehend, is to vote for Mitt Romney and all the Republican candidates on November 6th (MANY of whom are Tea Party candidates the moby does not want to see elected either) and then starting on November 7th, we can settle this way Republican/Conservatives always have …

… in long, drawn out and figuratively bloody backroom fights. The more Tea Party backed candidates get elected, the more power (i.e. legislative votes) moves out of the Establishment’s hands.

Note: The Republican Establishment KNOWS they are not going to win those fights over the long haul. They know this because NO ONE has EVER seen anything like the Tea Party. A lot of the nonsense behind the scenes at the convention was just opening skirmishes intended to “capture territory” which could be conceded after the election. This is the true nature of politics. My username was chosen based on the lessons I have learned the hard way.

When it comes to politics, be an agnostic – don’t BELIEVE in candidates – believe in yourself, your friends and their friends and you can change the way the world works. There has never been a better time for you to go out nd get some skin in the game than right now.

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:39 AM

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:35 AM

FloatingRock, I believe your heart is in the right place but your mind is not. We ALL understand disappointment and disillusionment. Both major parties are guilty. But, as MANY here have stated, if Obama is not defeated, all else is just rhetorical. We cannot fix everything overnight, or with a single 4-year term. But, Obama can do unimaginable damage to this country and others if allowed a second term.

Sometimes, success is reached by small, persistent steps.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:40 AM

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Well, you stated it much better than my poor attempt. Well done.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:43 AM

We need a special whistle.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:17 AM

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LOL! Where did I put that dog whistle …

… nope, not this one. This is the one that makes Chrissy Matthews start thumping his hind leg.

Blast!

Lanceman! If you don’t come and deal with this maroon right now, you don’t get to complain about not having any trolls to abuse anymore!

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Well, you stated it much better than my poor attempt. Well done.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:43 AM

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Thank you.

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:47 AM

He’s not a conservative that’s disappointed with the Republican party. He’s just a Paulnut that’s trying to use the “Republican Elite” thing because he thinks it will get converts.

blink on September 3, 2012 at 1:45 AM

I realize that, blink. That’s what is so dumb about the whole thing. The Paulbots claim to be the epitome of conservative, but many are all too willing to burn down the house because their nominee didn’t win.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:48 AM

The answer, gentle readers, is NOT to burn down the Republican tent with everyone inside.

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:39 AM

You don’t understand, there is no more tent. Now it’s a castle.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:48 AM

He’s not a conservative that’s disappointed with the Republican party. He’s just a Paulnut that’s trying to use the “Republican Elite” thing because he thinks it will get converts.

blink on September 3, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Bingo!..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 1:50 AM

SWalker!!

I really enjoyed your piece on Eastwood. Nicely written.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Play us a tune, Dire!!

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Romney is the anti-Reagan. Maybe you don’t care but a lot of people do. Please watch the first video at least, it’s only a few minutes.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:35 AM

I realize this wasnt specifically directed at me, but since your religion requires you to make every effort to proselytize to everyone, let me just say this:

I have a rule that I never leave hotair to visit a suspected kook’s website or watch a suspected kook’s YouTube video without first having them explain, in their own words, precisely what the content is – that way I know whether it’s worth looking into or not. So you’ll have to make the precise allegations of what those mean Romney people did here.

If you do send me offsite, you should also know that I am unlikely to visit a YouTube video for almost any reason regardless. I prefer to read rather than listen, and If you have a serious point to make, you should be able to make it without the aid of sinister background music.

Sorry, it’s just those are the rules. If the birthers and truthers have to follow them, then so do you.

RINO in Name Only on September 3, 2012 at 1:53 AM

floating rock… go float a rock somewhere.

The people of Nevada… I know some of them… did their duty and went out to vote. then Ron Paul silenced them.

That is unAmerican.

Ron Paul did not earn those delegates! He couldn’t convince people to vote for him so he stole peoples voice.

That is unAmerican!

No matter who does it it is wrong!!!!!!

We need a straight up vote! Honest and upfront, no lying to your neighbors and telling them one thing then stealing their vote at the state convention!!!!

It is wrong.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 1:53 AM

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:40 AM

If Obama is so bad then that means we need a drastic course correction, right? But Romney and Obama are very much alike. Your argument contradicts itself. If Obama is so bad it’s because he’s a statist who copied Romneycare and supported TARP like Romney and supported a lot of other things that Romney also supported. Almost every last reason that Obama is so bad, Romney is bad also.

What we need is a course change, not a minor adjustment, and that means Romney is out.

Please, watch the videos. I don’t think you have or else I can’t believe you’d defend what the GOP has done.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Here’s an oldie.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:56 AM

I realize that, blink. That’s what is so dumb about the whole thing. The Paulbots claim to be the epitome of conservative, but many are all too willing to burn down the house because their nominee didn’t win.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:48 AM

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I think Ron Paul has some valid points but his isolationist outlook is straight out of the 1930′s …

… and one Hitler is enough.

We can’t turn back the clock or change the way the world now works.

We tinkered with its karma, saved lives that would otherwise be lost by the millions and are on the verge of being to wipe some plagues from the face of the Earth.

But it won’t happen by hiding our head in the sand or thinking we can leave a vacuum to be filled by despots.

In brief, Ron Paul’s foreign policy outlook is … (what is a kind term I can use here?) …

Coo-coo for CocoPuffs!

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:56 AM

When it comes to politics, be an agnostic – don’t BELIEVE in candidates – believe in yourself, your friends and their friends and you can change the way the world works. There has never been a better time for you to go out nd get some skin in the game than right now.

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Friends like the Ron Paul people who lied to their neighbors and told them they would vote for Romney then stole the state at the convention…. those kind of neighbors?

No thanks.

Those rules were not democratic, they were exploited so a mad man like Paul could get power by lying to their neighbors at his insistence!

Unless people are dealing in good faith you can’t trust anyone… especially not Ron Paul people. They lie to get power and they do it to their neighbors.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 1:57 AM

If the states have beauty contests… then it leaves open the possibilities of despots… like Ron Paul…. that is what you call someone willing to get power through deception and lies and silencing the voice of the people.

Votes were stolen and real people were disenfranchised.

Belonging to a Party who would allow that to go on is not productive.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 1:59 AM

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:56 AM

It does not come easy!!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Please, watch the videos. I don’t think you have or else I can’t believe you’d defend what the GOP has done.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:54 AM

I’m not defending anyone. I’m just trying to preserve and protect this nation that I love. Whether you believe that Romney is any better than Obama is irrelevant to me. I am voting MY conscience, and yet I will do so without constantly repeating page upon page, day after day, of the same talking points.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Libertarian=Totalitarian now. After the convention we know. Libertarians are fakes and are only out to take away our right to vote.

I came here to post that Michelle Malkin found the tape of Obama promising Ryan’s hometown the moon… and a plant for 100 years.

But I am so steamed that Ron Paul would steal those people’s vote that I can’t contain it!!!!

Michelle was wrong by the way… but then she found this… so what ever…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4TsV_Z0NPCA

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:04 AM

It does not come easy!!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Oh, so sweet. That’s what I needed, Dire. Thanks!

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Please, watch the videos. I don’t think you have or else I can’t believe you’d defend what the GOP has done.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:54 AM

The Gop saved us from a ego maniac who stole people’s votes at the state level.

I talked to some from Nevada. They were disenfranchised!!!

Ron Paul didn’t get the votes. People didn’t want him… so he stole them!!!

One man one vote… and nobody gets to silence the American People.

Not even Ron Paul.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:06 AM

I thought Ron Paul had some points that were valid. Then I found out what he did to shut up people he disagreed with.

No more. He is a despot and a liar.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:08 AM

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Barack Obama’s reelection. Period.

It is not an unreasonable argument that Romney will not undo enough of Obama’s errors, or is not the perfect conservative. It is an unreasonable argument to suggest there is no difference between them, and only a fool would make it.

Adjoran on September 3, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Sometimes we just need to Live and Let…

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:09 AM

Unless people are dealing in good faith you can’t trust anyone… especially not Ron Paul people. They lie to get power and they do it to their neighbors.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 1:57 AM

No! People like you!

Have you ever gotten out and worked for a campaign at any level?

Paticipating in democracy is a lot more than just stepping into a voting booth once a year.

Start small and local. Go out and work for something or someone you believe in.

Fair Warning: Politics is a contact sport. Some aspects, especially at higher levels, may make you want to throw up … but the only ones who can change that are people like you.

This is the lesson of the Tea Party and it is happening right now!

Don’t like the Tea Party. Great! Again, go find what or who you can support and fight that fight.

There is NOTHING the Establishment of both political parties FEAR MORE than millions of citizens suddenly participating … it makes it too hard for the corrupt people to do business as usual!

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 2:09 AM

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Another one for you!..:)

PS..My Fav Beatle!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Please, watch the videos. I don’t think you have or else I can’t believe you’d defend what the GOP has done.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 1:54 AM

How about you watch my youtube video instead?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZio278IKGI

RINO in Name Only on September 3, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Michelle was wrong by the way… but then she found this… so what ever…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4TsV_Z0NPCA

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:04 AM

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Thank you for the link!

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Don’t Let Me Down

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:17 AM

I have a rule that I never leave hotair to visit a suspected kook’s website or watch a suspected kook’s YouTube video without first having them explain, in their own words, precisely what the content is – that way I know whether it’s worth looking into or not. So you’ll have to make the precise allegations of what those mean Romney people did here.

RINO in Name Only on September 3, 2012 at 1:53 AM

It’s just a youtube video not to a private domain so you don’t have to worry about that sort of thing, but if you must have a summary then I’d be happy to:

The first link is a video of a Texas delegate at the Republican National Convention who who started a local Tea Party group, she gives her name so you can verify, and she is not a Ron Paul supporter if that helps. Please take a look, she seems like a good, well meaning and informed person who people should listen to.

And if you watch the video and aren’t sure what she’s talking about, the second video is a news report from a local Fox News affiliate that provides background.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:17 AM

In the case of the rule changes at the convention… the gop was protecting the individual from the collective hive.

Ron Paul did not earn the delegates he got. He stole them after those states voted for other candidates… did he win the vote in Iowa? How did he get delegates? By silencing the voice of those who voted for Romney and Santorum.

Did Paul win Nevada? No. How did he get the whole state full of delegates? By taking over the state convention and over turning the vote of the people.

This is not freedom. This is not democracy. This is a small group forcing their will on the people by intimidation and lies.

The GOP protected us from people like floating rock who would take all our rights if she could so we would live how she thinks we should live.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:17 AM

Somewhere, A Potemkin Village Is Missing Its Idiot

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/somewhere-potemkin-village-is-missing.html

M2RB: Elton John

Resist We Much on September 3, 2012 at 2:20 AM

PS..My Fav Beatle!!..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Yes, good one.

I’m sure it’s been played a million times here, but this is my favorite by him.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:20 AM

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:17 AM

You will not disenfranchise me. Ron Paul can get his delegates the old fashioned way next time… he can earn the votes of real Americans instead of forcing his will on others.

The GOP responded to the complaints of the disenfranched people and changed the rules to protect us from YOU!!!

You will not take away my rights!!!

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:20 AM

In the case of the rule changes at the convention… the gop was protecting the individual from the collective hive.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:17 AM

You are so wrong, Petunia. The clearly have not watched the videos and know not of what you speak. It only takes a few minutes for you to pull your head out of the sand and watch, you know, but I know that koolaid necessitates that you remain willfully ignorant of the truth.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:22 AM

I know what happened at my caucus… and the Ron Paul people got delegates by begging… they didn’t have the numbers so they begged for just one… then went to the convention with fake delegates from the counties and got way more than they should have by the votes they cast.

They lie they cheat. I don’t need to see a news cast I witnessed it.

They lie they cheat and they take away people’s rights.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:22 AM

You will not take away my rights!!!

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:20 AM

You are so foolish! I can just imagine you dancing around, waving your arms.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:25 AM

I lived it Floating Rock! You are so wrong!!! My precint took the vote for each delegate and Romney was getting all of them so the Ron Paul neighbors got all offended and started acting put out… and some of the neighbors said fine and voted for a Ron Paul delegate to shut them up.

They didn’t have the numbers! They whined to get a delegate and nobody thought it would matter… then they went to the state convention and stole 5 delegates! They didn’t have the numbers!!!

Ron Paul stole the delegates!

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:25 AM

Yes, we get it. The managers of the Republican Party used aggressive tactics to prevent Paulnut types from stealing primaries in the future.

blink on September 3, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Then obviously you don’t get it, numskull. Duh. Ever think of that?

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:26 AM

You think taking away my right to vote is funny.

You are a Libertarian alright.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:26 AM

This is not about Ron Paul. If you had watched the videos above you wouldn’t sound like such a fool. Everybody who has watched those videos already knows better than you and Petunia.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:27 AM

Just like here tonight. You refuse to see. So the party was forced to act.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:27 AM

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:20 AM

That is primo work!..:)

Dire Straits on September 3, 2012 at 2:28 AM

They stole the whole state of nevada! have you talked to the Republicans from Nevada?

Who won the vote in Nevada do you remember? How did Ron Paul get the delegates?

He stole them… he refused to acknowledge he lost an election. So he took over. That is a despot.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:28 AM

You think taking away my right to vote is funny.

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:26 AM

What the heck are you talking about? How is anybody taking away your right to vote? The same process that the Ron Paul people engaged in was open to yourself and any Republican who wished to participate in process.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:29 AM

So…I’d rather discuss the original subject (a possible Israeli strike on Iran’s facilities).

Or, the weather. Dang, it’s been a hot summer–for most everyone. I’m looking forward to cooler Fall weather.

Or, pets. Some folks are dog people and some are cat people. Personally, I like both.

Or, the Apple versus Samsung court rulings. Now THERE’S a hot topic. lol, sheesh

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:31 AM

I get it perfectly. I watched your first video. I summed it up accurately.

blink on September 3, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Then you really are numb because she’s not a Ron Paul supporters, so you are wrong.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:33 AM

You think it was perfectly fine for Paulnuts to try to steal the primary by rigging delegates.

blink on September 3, 2012 at 2:32 AM

That is a blatantly misleading and false misrepresentation. All they did was show up and win votes and participate in the process, the same process that Reagan used to challenge Ford. The process is a regular part of the process and has been around for many election cycles and it’s open to any Republican who wants to get involved, and young Republicans and minorities did get involved, and scumbags like you who didn’t show up cheated them out of fair representation!

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:36 AM

You guys justify your cheating by smearing and lying about your victims!

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:36 AM

SWalker!!

I really enjoyed your piece on Eastwood. Nicely written.

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Why thank you 4Grace, I’m just a redneck retired Rock Star, but I try to do my part to wake my fellow Americans up and motivate them to take this great republic back.

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 2:37 AM

You’re quickly losing this argument.

blink on September 3, 2012 at 2:36 AM

You guys are defending immoral cheating and vote rigging. You have no ground to stand on.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:39 AM

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 2:37 AM

You’re quite welcome. I asked my parents what they thought of Clint’s bit. They didn’t quite get it. They didn’t dislike it, just found it to be strange. I explained it to them. I think it just wasn’t their cup of tea. lol

4Grace on September 3, 2012 at 2:42 AM

petunia on September 3, 2012 at 2:28 AM

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If I may make a suggestion, just ignore him.

Leave it to the rest of us to flag his garbage when he posts it.

There are few things I enjoy more than exposing the trolls, mobys, tantrum voters and their ilk to the light of day.

But I never engage them in direct conversation … ever.

You wouldn’t encourage a spoiled child acting up in public, would you?

That’s EXACTLY what this person is … a spoiled child seeking attention by trying to get others to engage in HIS conversation.

And he doesn’t listen to anyone else because HE is the center of his tiny little world.

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 2:42 AM

You’re quickly losing this argument.

blink on September 3, 2012 at 2:36 AM

You guys are defending immoral cheating and vote rigging. You have no ground to stand on.

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:39 AM

This is why everyone thinks you are a bat$hit crazy a$shole. Someone gives you a first hand account of what your fellow Ronulans did in Nevada and you accuse them of defending exactly what they told you your fellow Ronulans did.

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 2:45 AM

So, you don’t think it was ok for Paulnuts to try to steal the primary by rigging delegates?

blink on September 3, 2012 at 2:41 AM

No, that’s a blatant lie. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. All they did is participate in the process that was meant for people to participate in, and they showed up and had the most votes and won exactly as intended, just like Reagan only not as successfully, obviously.

You are lying in order to justify your cheating, you are are the one on the low road and doesn’t have any ground to stand on. If you wanted your vote to be counted then you should have got involved too. But since you were a lazy bum and didn’t get involved, now you are acting like a crybaby liberal and you and your effed up party of crooks have just cheated on national TV!

The Republican Party is the party of cheaters!

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:47 AM

This is why everyone thinks you are a bat$hit crazy a$shole. Someone gives you a first hand account of what your fellow Ronulans did in Nevada and you accuse them of defending exactly what they told you your fellow Ronulans did.

SWalker on September 3, 2012 at 2:45 AM

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Alinsky tactic … I’d classify him as a moby.

PolAgnostic on September 3, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Cheaters and liars!

FloatingRock on September 3, 2012 at 2:47 AM

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