Fact-checking the factcheckers on Ryan’s speech; Update: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville”

posted at 10:01 am on August 30, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Seems like fact checkers need to do some fact checking of their own assumptions.  Paul Ryan’s speech last night included a reference to a GM plant in Janesville that closed, which Ryan used to criticize Barack Obama for failing to meet his campaign promises.  A number of “fact” checkers jumped all over Ryan’s anecdote to claim that he lied about the circumstances of the plant’s closure.  We’ll just take one example, from the AP’s “fact’ check:

RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan’s hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. “A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: `I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.”

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants – though not the Janesville facility – to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

Actually, those “facts” aren’t quite accurate, either.  As the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported in September of last year — long before Ryan got added to the ticket — the Janesville plant got shut down in 2009, after being notified of their pending closure in December 2008:

General Motors Co. has committed to reopen its idled plant in Spring Hill, Tenn., and keep its shuttered assembly plant in Janesville on standby status.

The commitment to the former Saturn plant in Tennessee was part of a contract settlement reached late last week between GM and the United Auto Workers union.

Since they were shut down in 2009, both the Janesville and Tennessee plants have been on standby status, meaning they were not producing vehicles, but they were not completely shut down. …

The Janesville plant stopped production of SUVs in 2008 and was idled in 2009 after it completed production of medium-duty trucks.

Remaining on standby means not much has changed in Janesville. Community leaders say they would be ready if the GM plant reopened, but no one seems to be counting on that.

Production continued into 2009 on trucks — and into April, as this local TV report from April 2009 shows, courtesy of our good friend Morgen Richmond:

Clearly, the job of “fact checker” in the mainstream media must not involve research skills.  Nor does it take much in comprehension, because these supposed fact checks started with a misrepresentation of what Ryan actually said.  Here are his actual words, emphasis mine:

President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.

Ryan acknowledged that the plant had already been slated for shutdown in 2008.  That was his point.  People voted for him because they thought Obama represented hope to get the plant back in operation.   In fact, that had been known since at least February 2008, when Obama came to Janesville to speak, and specifically addressed the plant closure in his remarksdelivered at the plant itself — and promised to keep it and other plants like it open “for the next hundred years” (emphasis mine):

It was nearly a century ago that the first tractor rolled off the assembly line at this plant.  The achievement didn’t just create a product to sell or profits for General Motors. It led to a shared prosperity enjoyed by all of Janesville.  Homes and businesses began to sprout up along Milwaukee and Main Streets.  Jobs were plentiful, with wages that could raise a family and benefits you could count on.

Prosperity hasn’t always come easily.  The plant shut down for a period during the height of the Depression, and major shifts in production have been required to meet the changing times.  Tractors became automobiles.  Automobiles became artillery shells.  SUVs are becoming hybrids as we speak, and the cost of transition has always been greatest for the workers and their families.

But through hard times and good, great challenge and great change, the promise of Janesville has been the promise of America – that our prosperity can and must be the tide that lifts every boat; that we rise or fall as one nation; that our economy is strongest when our middle-class grows and opportunity is spread as widely as possible.  And when it’s not – when opportunity is uneven or unequal – it is our responsibility to restore balance, and fairness, and keep that promise alive for the next generation.  That is the responsibility we face right now, and that is the responsibility I intend to meet as President of the United States. …

Those are the steps we can take to ease the cost crisis facing working families.  But we still need to make sure that families are working.  We need to maintain our competitive edge in a global by ensuring that plants like this one stay open for another hundred years, and shuttered factories re-open as new industries that promise new jobs.  And we need to put more Americans to work doing jobs that need to be done right here in America.

That’s the promise that Barack Obama failed to deliver — even when the government took ownership of GM.  Ryan had it exactly right, and the fact checkers have made a mockery of their own profession by stepping all over their own biases to refute Ryan.

Update: Guy Benson goes after more “fact checks” of Ryan’s speech from Team Obama.

Update II: More from Reason’s Shikha Dalmia, noting that the Janesville plant was actually one of the choices to keep open when Obama extended the automaker bailout:

Here’s what GazetteXtra.com, a Janesville paper, reported on Feb 2, 2009:

Full-size sport utility vehicle production has ended at the local General Motors plant, but medium-duty truck production is continuing—not starting—in Janesville.

And it likely will continue into May, when the lights finally go off in the facility that has been producing vehicles since 1923.

When GM officials announced last June that SUV production would cease in Janesville, they also said that medium-duty truck production would conclude by the end of 2009, or sooner if market conditions dictate.

What’s more, the administration actually did consider keeping the Janesville plant alive after it nationalized GM by commandeering the bankruptcy process. According to Shepardson’s story:

In June 2009, GM considered three sites to locate a small car: its Orion plant in Michigan; Janesville, Wis.; and a Spring Hill, Tenn., plant slated to close in November. GM picked Orion and later reopened Spring Hill.

Now why would Obama choose to close the only plant he had actively “suggested” he’d keep open? Could it possibly have something to do with the fact that it was in Ryan’s (Republican) hometown? Just askin…

I believe the retrofit costs would have been higher in Janesville, which is why the plant wasn’t chosen — but it’s clear that the plant wasn’t closed under Bush, and that Obama had an opportunity to make good on his promise.

Update III: BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski finds this promise from Barack Obama in June 2008, after the notice went out that the plant would shut down over the next several months, emphasis mine:

“Reports that the GM plant I visited in Janesville may shut down sooner than expected are a painful reminder of the tough economic times facing working families across this country. This news is also a reminder that Washington needs to finally live up to its promise to help our automakers compete in our global economy. As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.” Source: media.gazettextra.com  /  via:uppermichiganssource.com

Sounds like a promise — and it certainly did to the people of Janesville.  Will the “fact” checkers fact-check themselves now?


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…even the fact-checkers are progressives!

KOOLAID2 on August 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

FACTS ?

What the (bleep) is that ? Are you inventing new words, now ?

listens2glenn on August 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Truth is truth..
Fact Check can’t hide it for long.

Electrongod on August 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

That’s the promise that Barack Obama failed to deliver — even when the government took ownership of GM. Ryan had it exactly right, and the fact checkers have made a mockery of their own profession by stepping all over their own biases to refute Ryan

…wonder if JugEars slipped THEM some stimulus money?

KOOLAID2 on August 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Facts: “You keep using that word…”

AubieJon on August 30, 2012 at 10:08 AM

That’s the problem with so many of the so-called fact-checkers. They base their conclusions on information being fed to them by the DNC and Obama Campaign instead of actually researching it for themselves. What’s really stupid about this is they’re gonna get nailed on it by Paul Ryan the moment they bring up the subject in an interview.

Doughboy on August 30, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Facts are just stubborn opinions?

Bmore on August 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

The MSNBC crew were giddy about this last night. They were demanding that Dems call Ryan a liar.

D’oh!

BuckeyeSam on August 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

oh this is good. the deperation is spilling over the levees. expect a breach soon. or is that an overtop?

t8stlikchkn on August 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

We need to maintain our competitive edge in a global by ensuring that plants like this one stay open for another hundred years, and shuttered factories re-open as new industries that promise new jobs.

that was a composite time frame, elongated to sound good at time of delivery then compressed later by reality.

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

State Run Media

jdsbengaltiger on August 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Note to Fact Checkers — reposting Tweets from Democrat operatives is not fact-checking.

KTHXBYE

Punch Rockgroin on August 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I hope the media calls Paul Ryan a liar regarding a GM plant in his own hometown. Go ahead, MSM, and go there. See where it gets you. He’s MKH’s huckleberry and someone is going to end up in the hurt locker. Ryan appears to have both a personal history with that plant, and have his facts straight about it’s closure.

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM

The LSM can lie all they want, but the fact remains that the people who worked at that plant and voted for Obama will either stay home or vote for Mitt this time. This has been happening at businesses all over America for the last 4 years.

txhsmom on August 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

If Hotair does not refute the other fact checks on Ryan’s speech, will it call out Ryan for misleading the American people?

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Interesting…Paul Ryan grew up in Janesville, and has represented its district in Congress for 14 years, so he probably knows more about the GM plant there than Obama, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii and spent his adult life in Chicago.

But don’t confuse us with the facts. /LSM off

Steve Z on August 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

by ensuring that plants like this one stay open for another hundred years, and shuttered factories re-open as new industries that promise new jobs

What Prezzy Skittles left out was just not this one, and for added emphasis, not ever now that the home town boy has been nominated for VP.

Kissmygrits on August 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Dems’ cries of “liar!” seem to be in direct proportion to the excellence and the impact of a speech. By that standard, Ryan’s must have been mighty powerful.

bobs1196 on August 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Aren’t “Facts” Racist?

Colbyjack on August 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

thanks for conceding that Ed and Ryan are right, dave, and your attempt to move the goalposts is noted.

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Aren’t “Facts” Racist?
Colbyjack on August 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Only if golfing in Chicago is involved.

txhsmom on August 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Facts are racist.

Ellis on August 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM

I can’t hear you
- wolfie and msdnc

Too funny…. msdnc upset that so many speakers attacked Obama last night… is that going to work, yada yada yada

Lol…. but they’ll have no problem with the dnc attacking mitt and paul all next week

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Fact checking or SMOKE SCREEN ?

The gist of Ryan’s comments were about a FAILED PROMISE FROM THE COMMIE IN CHIEF on the campaign trail to keep that plant open for the people in Wisconsin he was trying to convince to vote for him.

A promise he made, and did not keep- nor ever intended to since he had that chance to keep it open, but did not.

A hollow promise for the sake of a promise is just a nicer way of

LYING

Oblamer is a liar. Fact check that.

FlaMurph on August 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM

If Hotair does not refute the other fact checks on Ryan’s speech, will it call out Ryan for misleading the American people?

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

And what are those other fact checks? The biggest liar in the history of American politics is Obama the welfare queens agitator…

mnjg on August 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM

…wonder if JugEars slipped THEM some stimulus money?

KOOLAID2 on August 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

He doesn’t need to. They whore themselves out for free these days.

tdpwells on August 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM

thanks for conceding that Ed and Ryan are right, dave, and your attempt to move the goalposts is noted.

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM

——–
No.

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

It’s obfuscation, re-finger pointing and desperate koolaid drinking at its finest.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Oh, man … Is Preezy speechifying again, today ??
Can’t wait to here HIM repeat this outright lie.
Ya gotta know he will/would !!
Bring it !!!

pambi on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

If Hotair does not refute the other fact checks on Ryan’s speech, will it call out Ryan for misleading the American people?

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Such as?

BuckeyeSam on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Crying racist and liar can only take you so far idiots

Backfire!

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

dave; ryan grew up in Wisconsin, he knows people that work there, the plant is in his district and employed a lot of people and he’s the wrong one here?

/here’s your sign, champ.

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:22 AM

No.

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

It’s obfuscation, re-finger pointing and desperate koolaid drinking at its finest.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Since when does Chris Matthews comment here?

BuckeyeSam on August 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM

there’s a breach in the rywall….

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Facts are racist.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Full blown freak out. Some media outlets are going to self-destruct over this election. I’ll be happy to see them go.

forest on August 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

I have a very strong suspicion that there will be plenty of “racists” lining up to unseat the King in November. I believe the Obumbler campaign is trying to figure out how a Obumbler agent can follow us into the voting booth, to ensure we don’t go all “racist” with our ballots. Good Luck!! LMAO!

Tbone McGraw on August 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

The LSM will be crushed along with the Won on Nov 6.

JimK on August 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

For them to be calling anyone a liar, is like a convicted thief complaining about his own car being stolen.

TXUS on August 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

If Hotair does not refute the other fact checks on Ryan’s speech, will it call out Ryan for misleading the American people?

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

The OTHER ones?

Are you conceding that this one was a dud and that the ‘fact checkers’ got it wrong? I don’t think you realize this is what you just did.

Taking dictation from the DNC and the Obama Campaign after a speech and then rushing to publish it as ‘news’ is not ‘fact-checking.’

Hence, we don’t care what the ‘fact checkers’ say, simply because they’re revealing themselves to be stenographers and PR flacks for the Obama campaign more interested in propping up a failed administration they all voted for rather than reporting facts.

Coming from the party who said that Mitt Romney killed a woman with cancer, you don’t get to lecture people about ‘misleading.’

Ever.

Good Lt on August 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Accuracy of the these particular “fact checks” aside, it’s sad that this seems to be the operating procedure for the Legacy Media:

Paul Ryan speech: vigorous, instantaneous “fact” checking, no stone left unturned.

Barack Obama speeches/interviews day in, day out: fact checking not necessary.

visions on August 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM

No.

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

It’s obfuscation, re-finger pointing and desperate koolaid drinking at its finest.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

In other words, Ed provided the facts that the AP ‘fact checkers’ left out, pointed out that they also misquoted him (and provided a video of the actual quote and not the AP paraphrase), and showed them what actually looking into the facts looks like.

Tell us again how Mitt Romney killed a woman with cancer. You’re concerned about accuracy and honesty, aren’t you?

Good Lt on August 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

That comment about living at home with faded Obama posters on the wall really must have hit home. You planning to take your racecar bed with you when you finally move out of your mom’s house?

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Last night MSNBC was using Ezra Klein as their fact checker…LOL. Journolist lives!

d1carter on August 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

And WaPo editorializes that Ryan is “misleading” people.

The good news is every time the MSM pulls these kinds of stunts they reveal themselves for what they are: rapid partisans pretending to be objective.

Drained Brain on August 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

No.

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

It’s obfuscation, re-finger pointing and desperate koolaid drinking at its finest.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

This is what Cranial-Rectal disorder looks like. The human brain, deprived of oxygen, begins to suffer profound and vivid hallucinations.

SWalker on August 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Crying racist and liar can only take you so far idiots

Backfire!

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

.
Heap big backfire. . . : )

listens2glenn on August 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

there are those scenes in “300″ where the moron hordes of Immortals are ordered by King Xerxes to attack King Leonidas and the Spartans in the pass at Thermopylae. Legend has it that individual Spartans would slay 20-30 dudes at a stretch before another Spartan came forward to relieve him. That’s what we are seeing now, the Immortal Moron hordes of the MSM and their minions are driven out onto the killing field and getting exactly what they’ve come for……

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

I think it should be required of ‘fact checkers’ to disclose all political donations and votes in the previous election cycles.

Full transparency.

What do you say, Dave?

Good Lt on August 30, 2012 at 10:33 AM

How is Ryan detcahed from reality? Because he quoted Barack Obama’s exact words spoken at the Janesville plant, promising to keep it open for 100 years?”

Just wow.

rockmom on August 30, 2012 at 10:33 AM

The smell of desperation. The Democrats are losing and they know it. There is a wave coming….a tsunami even.

The big question is will the Democrats continue trying to salt the earth through election day, with all their racist talk, their nasty vote-rigging attacks and their contempt for the separation of powers. Since the answer is “sure!” we will have a lot of BS to wade through before we can get rid of the scum.

MTF on August 30, 2012 at 10:33 AM

The bottom, BOTTOM line is the FACT the Obama promised to keep the damn plant open for 100 years. He BROKE HIS PROMISE. End of story.

djl130 on August 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM

I don’t think the Democrats are going to let facts get in the way.

Cindy Munford on August 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM

You know what, the more I think about the absurd lies of Dave Rywall, the more angry I get.

Essentially, the commies are out there splitting hairs over the timeline for closure of that GM plant. The only facts that matter are that Obama did campaign there and less than a year later nobody was working there. Yet, we have idiots parsing Ryan’s speech in search of some sort of a gotcha moment.

In the meantime we have people high up in the Obama campaign going out there and making claims that Romney is a felon and that he killed a woman. Mr. Rywall, where the hell is your outrage over that instead of getting all huffy over Paul Ryan’s speech. You sir are a hypocrite of the worst sort.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

How is Ryan detcahed from reality? Because he quoted Barack Obama’s exact words spoken at the Janesville plant, promising to keep it open for 100 years?”

Just wow.

rockmom on August 30, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Quoting Obama is racist, you racist.

Good Lt on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

State Run Media

jdsbengaltiger on August 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM

…remember the days when the FCC used to have rules?

KOOLAID2 on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

OT-

Ed, I get up at 3:00AM to go to work. I was going to bed last night as Gov. Martinez began to speak. Is there any thought to posting her speech here, or do you a site where it could be viewed?

Thanks.

oldleprechaun on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

It’s obfuscation, re-finger pointing and desperate koolaid drinking at its finest.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

You’re a liberal…of course you disagree with facts.

Now the point is not what you “agree with”…..
……..the point is can you “back up” your accusations and prove that the plant was CLOSED before Obama became President and NOT CLOSED in June of 2009.

We have the words of GM….Newspapers….and televised news reports that say the democrats are the ones lying…..
…………..prove them wrong….
……………………….put up or shut up Dave.

Baxter Greene on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Such as?

BuckeyeSam on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

—-

1
medicare 716 million bullsh*t when his own plan does the same thing

2
S&P’s downgrade is Obama’s fault when S&P specifically blamed both Democrats and Republicans and shat specifically on the Republicans for being pigheadedly opposed to raising taxes.
“We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues” – S&P

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

No.

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

It’s obfuscation, re-finger pointing and desperate koolaid drinking at its finest.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Wow, that’s just plain weapon grade stupid right there. You’ve had the facts laid out in clear language before you and you still cry obfuscation. You could be hit upside the head with more facts and it wouldn’t penetrate that thick wall of liberal stupid. There is no hope to reason with you, all we can do is point and laugh, just like with Chrissy Matthews.

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

No.

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

It’s obfuscation, re-finger pointing and desperate koolaid drinking at its finest.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

The Janesville plant you say was closed in 2008 was building Izusus till June 2009.

Explain.

Chuck Schick on August 30, 2012 at 10:36 AM

As Newt said-Dems lie better than we tell the truth. However, the new media has caught up to the lying media. How hard is it to understand that Obama mislead these people in WI that the plant might be there another 100 years with the almighty govt assistance and it shut down production in 2009.

Ta111 on August 30, 2012 at 10:36 AM

The Left has made hay on misreporting “facts” since the LA Times falsely claimed Bush said Iraq was an “imminent threat”.

You’d think the GOP Party hacks Geniuses would have figured out by now that thethe MSM sure does luv it’s narratives and have countermeasures ready to be deployed..

Bruno Strozek on August 30, 2012 at 10:36 AM

You mean to tell me the Presstitutes will lie, from their kness, for the Lowerer Of The Oceans?

Nice to see the Propoganda arm of the DNC is in all out Pravda protection mode for their
Messiah, Lyin kING Barrack!

These Presstitutes need to be scorned and ridiculed at evry opportunity,
Newt Gingrich for Presstitute Secretary!

ConcealedKerry on August 30, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Sorry Ed

“…do you KNOW a site…”

IPad…

oldleprechaun on August 30, 2012 at 10:37 AM

No.

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

It’s obfuscation, re-finger pointing and desperate koolaid drinking at its finest.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Dave…we’ll wait on your apology. But, we won’t hold our breath.

mama winger‏@mamawinger

@JammieWF Here’s the local Janesville newspaper in Feb 2009 writing about the plant’s announced closure for April 2009.http://bit.ly/O5XEZ6

Retweeted by JammieWearingFool

kingsjester on August 30, 2012 at 10:37 AM

THE FACTS:

THE ARROGANCE.

mudskipper on August 30, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I disagree with Hotair’s ludicrous detachment form reality on the plant closing.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Detachment from the reality that the plant closed in 2008?

Except 2009 is not 2008?

The Schaef on August 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I certainly hope the voters are figuring out the LSM is little more than the media wing of the Democratic Party. Apparently, this election is between those willing to tell the truth and those willing to lie like a rug to get re-elected.

I don’t expect it to get any better as Obama’s poll numbers start to plummet and it becomes apparent Obama’s going to lose. As they try their best to salvage his campaign, they’re going to have to really lie and they have no credibility anyway, just imagine what they’ll have after this election.

bflat879 on August 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

oldleprechaun on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

The entire RNC has been streaming @ CSPAN.org/RNC (and YouTube), so you should be able to find it in cspan’s vault or on YouTube.
It was GREAT !

pambi on August 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM

In other words, Ed provided the facts that the AP ‘fact checkers’ left out, pointed out that they also misquoted him (and provided a video of the actual quote and not the AP paraphrase), and showed them what actually looking into the facts looks like.

Tell us again how Mitt Romney killed a woman with cancer. You’re concerned about accuracy and honesty, aren’t you?

Good Lt on August 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

The Left never actually admits they’re wrong; they just move on to the next lie.

Steve Eggleston on August 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM

“Presstitutes”

I like that!

oldleprechaun on August 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM

If Hotair does not refute the other fact checks on Ryan’s speech, will it call out Ryan for misleading the American people?

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

How’s that butthurt goin’ for ya this morning Drywall?

A little trouble sitting maybe?

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on August 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM

medicare 716 million bullsh*t when his own plan does the same thing

Except that it doesn’t.

ObamaCare does.

You’re wrong on the facts, and you fail. Next.

2
S&P’s downgrade is Obama’s fault when S&P specifically blamed both Democrats and Republicans and shat specifically on the Republicans for being pigheadedly opposed to raising taxes.
“We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues” – S&P

Obama’s at the top. Obama wanted responsibility. Obama added $5 trillion to the debt.

Obama made no attempt to negotiate with the GOP on ways to raise revenue without raising taxes.

Obama’s in charge, and it happened on his watch.

Welcome to responsibility. You’re struggling with it, I see.

Good Lt on August 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM

These “fact checkers” aren’t convincing anyone and they only provide thee smokescreens so that their their liberal readers can shield themselves from the truth.

RedRedRice on August 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Since it was in the government’s power, as owner of GM, to keep that factory open, one has to wonder why Obama chose to break that promise. Did he do it to hurt Ryan’s reelection chances, or was it just more incompetence from the White House? I’m not sure.

EricW on August 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM

I can visualize Drywall now hitting his keyboard with his fists of fury as he copies and pastes from fantasy-land lefty sewage dumps to massage this meme.
.
Next he’ll be smashing his forehead against the keyboard to a bloody pulp like the famous GIF cartoon.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on August 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Dave, you just made our point. Whether Ryan’s plan takes 700B out of Medicare is debatable, BUT thats not the point of Ryans speech-you are now admitting that Ryan was right that obamacare takes 700B out do Medicare, that’s what Ryan stated. Second, you admit that the downgrade happened under Obama, again a truthful statement. You can argue all you want as to who is more to blame but the facts are this happened UNDER Obama. Again you admit the truthfulness of these statements. I think you should stop now because you digging the hole deeper.

Ta111 on August 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM

That sound you heard last night after Paul “Huckleberry” Ryan’s speech…..

yeah baby.

Paper Lace–The Night Chicago Died.

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM

I listened to the speech and heard Ryan say that OBAMA PROMISED to keep the plant open. Period end of story that if it isn’t anymore then he broke that promise.

Also, how could Obama make this statement if the factory was ALREADY closed?

Was he so confused standing next to a closed plant that he suggested the closed plant remain open?

What a crock I didn’t need any fact checkers from HotAir for example to tell me that the so-called fact-checkers on Ryan are wrong in what they are saying. This is all the same fact checker who try and tell us we don’t understand Obama when we read his “you didn’t build that” speech. God help us if these liars and their minions get another four years

Conan on August 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM

1
medicare 716 million bullsh*t when his own plan does the same thing

No it doesn’t. And Mitt Romney’s plan is the one they are running on anyway.

2
S&P’s downgrade is Obama’s fault when S&P specifically blamed both Democrats and Republicans and shat specifically on the Republicans for being pigheadedly opposed to raising taxes.
“We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues” – S&P

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

And poor Barack was just an innocent bystander? He had a deal worked out with John Boehner to raise $800 billion in new revenues along with significant spedning cuts, and Nancy Pelosi got wind of it and went nuts over the spending cuts, so Obama backed off and demanded more tax increases, knowing that Boehner would refuse.

Here’s what else Ryan could have said but didn’t:

Obama promised to cut the deficit in half.

Obama promised to go through the federal budget line by line and eliminate programs that don’t work.

Obama promised to put all negotiations on the health care bill on C-SPAN.

rockmom on August 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM

How’s that butthurt goin’ for ya this morning Drywall?

A little trouble sitting maybe?

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on August 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM

They call it ‘Rump Rash’ in Canada.

BigWyo on August 30, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Since it was in the government’s power, as owner of GM, to keep that factory open, one has to wonder why Obama chose to break that promise. Did he do it to hurt Ryan’s reelection chances, or was it just more incompetence from the White House? I’m not sure.

EricW on August 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Neither, the speech and the promise was just pandering to get votes in Wisconsin. He had no intention of keeping it. He played the people of Janesville, just like he played the rest of America.

Remember Jim Geraghty’s axiom:

All Barack Obama promises come with an expiration date.

rockmom on August 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

S&P’s downgrade is Obama’s fault when S&P specifically blamed both Democrats and Republicans and shat specifically on the Republicans for being pigheadedly opposed to raising taxes.
“We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues” – S&P

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

You either increase revenues – or you reduce spending. Sounds to me like S&P is as liberal as you are.

AubieJon on August 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Dear Dave Rywall will never admit defeat, he/she/it is a pimp for the O cause, I am laughing my butt off, as if enough HAers last night also showed the canuck idiot the FACTS!!

Dave, if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen, in fact, on yer bike matey!!

We will have the last laugh as the MSM finally gasps their last as they all fall flat on their faces with their bullcrap…

We don’t need your sort around here, not an original thought in that empty head of yours…

Scrumpy on August 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

And WaPo editorializes that Ryan is “misleading” people.

The good news is every time the MSM pulls these kinds of stunts they reveal themselves for what they are: rapid partisans pretending to be objective.

Drained Brain on August 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Exactly…..

What’s misleading about what Ryan said.
Obama promised that with government help,he would see to it that the plant “thrived”….that it would “be there for another 100 years”…

….well he got that “help” to the tune of 90 billion dollars and what did Obama deliver……failure…..it’s closed.

And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need

to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America;

right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your President.

canopfor on August 30, 2012 at 1:43 AM

….well he got that “help” to the tune of 90 billion dollars and what did Obama deliver……failure…..it’s closed.

You going to tell me that Obama was unable to keep his promise after getting 90 billion dollars…….what bullsh!t.

It’s obvious that Obama needs this bailout talking point to help in in these swing states…..but all the spin in the world is not going to change what the he!! he said and the fact he didn’t deliver……just like all his other boasting and promises that have eaten up Trillions of our tax dollars with nothing to show.

Baxter Greene on August 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

“Obama added $5 trillion to the debt.”

Good Lt on August 30, 2012 at 10:40 AM
——-

Bush:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008

Bush:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008

Welcome to responsibility. You’re struggling with it, I see.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Obama promised to cut the deficit in half.

Obama promised to go through the federal budget line by line and eliminate programs that don’t work.

rockmom on August 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM

he didn’t say he had to double it first, did he? I mean, the equation he stated was:

0.5(current deficit)=proposed deficit

but what we got was
2(current deficit)=Good Lord?! what?!

ted c on August 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM

I understand that Congressman Ryan is generally considered a “WONK” when it come to his style. I understand “wonk” to mean pretty darn well familiar with details. By necessity.
Dems better be very careful when challanging this guys facts. You do NOT shoot from the hip around people like Congr. Ryan.

Jabberwock on August 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM

USA Today came out with a so-called news article today with a byline from FactCheck.org. They totally took the Dem position on every count.

This is impartial news? They aren’t even trying to hide their bias any more.

PattyJ on August 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM

In other words, Ed provided the facts that the AP ‘fact checkers’ left out, pointed out that they also misquoted him (and provided a video of the actual quote and not the AP paraphrase), and showed them what actually looking into the facts looks like.

Good Lt on August 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Well, videos are racist too. /drywall

Eren on August 30, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Welcome to responsibility. You’re struggling with it, I see.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Yeah, I remember when I edited those wikipedia pages. I’d been up for 36 hours, I was jet-lagged, and the only thing playing in the airports was CNN. Forgive me.

AubieJon on August 30, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Thank you! I’ve already got Facebook posts from friends who are mindlessly pasting the fact-checker analyses without checking out the facts themselves.

aunursa on August 30, 2012 at 10:48 AM

It is a measure of the utter desperation of the Democrats that they would attempt to argue facts, which are not their strong suit. Fair measure of media desperation, as well.

de rigueur on August 30, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Desperation runs to the bone with the Obama campaign and the left in general.

The left will choose to believe what they wish, as they always have, facts mean nothing to them.

The left would never have voted for R&R in any case, but MANY disaffected FORMER members of the left, will. They generally call themselves INDEPENDENTS, these days, but some are even registering as REPUBLICANS for this election.

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Welcome to responsibility. You’re struggling with it, I see.

Dave Rywall on August 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Wikipedia is not your friend, Dave.

Ask Mia Love, for one.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on August 30, 2012 at 10:50 AM

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