Fact checking in the hot tub time machine

posted at 5:46 pm on August 30, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

The always accurate and never disputed people at Wikipedia tell us that “fact checking” has been around since the early 20th century. “By the 1930s a fact checking department became a symbol of establishment among publications.” Even with the number of outrageous abuses of the practice in recent months, it still seemed to be a much needed service, simply in need of a new generation of honest practitioners. Sadly, the week of the 2012 Republican National Convention may have sounded the final death knell for this venerable concept.

And the straw that broke the camel’s back was the day the Washington Post decided to fact check a speech by Mitt Romney more than 12 hours before the speech was even given.

Previewing the ‘facts’ in Mitt Romney’s acceptance speech

The details of Mitt Romney’s acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention on Thursday night are not known, but he’s been road-testing various claims about President Obama’s record for months. Here are five dubious assertions that he frequently makes on the campaign trail or in his campaign advertisements.

Does anyone see something of a disconnect between the title of this piece and the first paragraph?

(Republicans, no worries! We will also do this exercise for Obama next week.)

Oh, yes. We’ll be waiting here with incredible anticipation. I’m sure it will be just as accurate as the list of already worn out stories which followed that lead-in.

For a bit more on the current state of the dark arts of fact checking, check in with Jon Cassidy of Human Events who poses a question to Politifact. Does the GOP tell nine times more lies than the Left? Really?

If a Republican schools commissioner says an annual standardized test takes “less than 1 percent of the instructional time,” and the actual figure is between 0.26 percent and 0.90 percent of annual class time, a serious fact-checker wouldn’t make a different claim and check that instead. But that’s precisely how PolitiFact found the Republican commissioner’s statement False.

If a conservative advocacy group runs an ad saying Obamacare could cost “up to $2 trillion,” an honest fact-checker would look up the government’s own estimate and see that, indeed, the Congressional Budget Office puts the cost at $1.76 trillion for just the first few years.

PolitiFact is not that honest fact-checker. And these aren’t isolated cases. Once widely regarded as a unique, rigorous and reasonably independent investigator of political claims, PolitiFact now declares conservatives wrong three times more often than liberals. More pointedly, the journalism organization concludes that conservatives have flat out lied nine times more often than liberals.

If you were a fact-checker yourself, you might reasonably conclude that PolitiFact is biased — that it favors liberals over conservatives. But PolitiFact continues to assert its impartiality.

This is a long article and really gets down in the weeds, but the math is there. If you’ve got some time to kill, peruse the list and judge for yourself. This really exposes what’s going on under the covers.

Or maybe I’m just lying. You know how we are.


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So… when we SAY we are lying… are we lying about lying…and if we are… are we lying?

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM

this again?

*yawn*

Get it loaded up again for tomorrow’s post-Romney-speech.

Tim_CA on August 30, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Can’t even trust the referees whats this world coming to?

steel guy on August 30, 2012 at 5:54 PM

“The problem with famous quotations found on the Internet is establishing their authenticity”

– Ben Franklin

VastRightWingConspirator on August 30, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Fact:

Any reference to golf or Chicago will be racist!

Deafdog on August 30, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Leftists must lie to their cult members, or their house of cards collapses.

As soon as the magic act is explained, the thrill is gone.

faraway on August 30, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Factcheck dot org … another Annenberg Foundation Propaganda megaphone.

Czar of Defenestration on August 30, 2012 at 6:00 PM

So… when we SAY we are lying… are we lying about lying…and if we are… are we lying?

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM

.
Let’s see if I got this: . .

IF an intended lie is in reality the truth, is it still a lie?

Is that it?

listens2glenn on August 30, 2012 at 6:04 PM

“The problem with famous quotations found on the Internet is establishing their authenticity”

– Ben Franklin

VastRightWingConspirator on August 30, 2012 at 5:55 PM

My husband just found a new signature quote for his IT work. Thanks!

talkingpoints on August 30, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Liar

Knott Buyinit on August 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM

And the straw that broke the camel’s back was the day the Washington Post decided to fact check a speech by Mitt Romney more than 12 hours before the speech was even given.

Hmmmmm, let me see. The straw that broke the camel’s back.

A camel reference. Therefore, camel=Middle East=Muslim=Islam=Jazz is a hardcore Islamaphobe!!!

Woo Hoo, I can work at MSNBC now! I can hear the dog whistle.

Mouse1 on August 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Fact them!

profitsbeard on August 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Have I mentioned lately how useless the Washington Post (E.J. Dionne, Dana Milbank, et al) and the New York Times (David Brooks, Charles Blows and the constantly irritating Mo Dowd) are? Just appalling how much attention these “opinion makers” continue to attract. Their looming irrelevance is a delightful prospect which will improve my quality of life immeasurably.

Texlib on August 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM

(Republicans, no worries! We will also do this exercise for Obama next week.)

right

like that is going to happen

PATHETIC

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM

So… when we SAY we are lying… are we lying about lying…and if we are… are we lying?

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Ok, Jim Kirk, got it.

Tenwheeler on August 30, 2012 at 6:09 PM

At some point, the truth is going to matter. A little more is revealed every day. This is still America, and the dishonest, greedy people in both Parties are going to be revealed.

lea on August 30, 2012 at 6:09 PM

These factcheckers remind me of watching big time wrastlin’ as a boy. I was always able to see Greg “the Hammer” Valentine pulling a pair of brass knucks out of his shorts to clobber Ric Flair, but the referee always seemed to be looking the other way at the crucial moment. With a few more years under my belt, I came to realize that they were NOT impartial arbiters, but were part of the game and played a crucial role in picking winners and losers. This is pretty much the same schtick.

kpguru on August 30, 2012 at 6:09 PM

So… when we SAY we are lying… are we lying about lying…and if we are… are we lying?

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM

.
Let’s see if I got this: . .

IF an intended lie is in reality the truth, is it still a lie?

Is that it?

listens2glenn on August 30, 2012 at 6:04 PM

No. And yes.

Axe on August 30, 2012 at 6:09 PM

everything that dear leader said is true
-tingles and the rest of the lsm/fact checkers

thank the Lord for HA going to the DNC convention
they do the dirty work so we don’t have to

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Disputing the righteousness of fact checkers is the most racist thing ever.

blah blah blah on August 30, 2012 at 6:11 PM

everybody spins and lies. ppl are not stupid.
here is 2 things I think its a spins\lies:
dems: republicans are racist! no they are not! at least no in a more significant way than dems. dems are hyping it and starts to be very anoying.
repubs: “you did not built that”. the mileage obtained from an out of context quote amazes me. how long can it go? obama ad’s against it only have to add a few more seconds to the original “you did not build that” quote.

nathor on August 30, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Or maybe I’m just lying. You know how we are.

Pantelones en el fuego, amigo.

/

Curtiss on August 30, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Full article is an amazing piece of work. Recommend

Bensonofben on August 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM

obama ad’s against it only have to add a few more seconds to the original “you did not build that” quote.
 
nathor on August 30, 2012 at 6:12 PM

 
Except even most idiots know the difference between the proper use of “that” (a business) and “those” (roads and bridges).

rogerb on August 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM

So… when we SAY we are lying… are we lying about lying…and if we are… are we lying?

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 5:52 PM

.
Let’s see if I got this: . .

IF an intended lie is in reality the truth, is it still a lie?

Is that it?

listens2glenn on August 30, 2012 at 6:04 PM

No. And yes.

Axe on August 30, 2012 at 6:09 PM

More importantly: Can you swim in the same river twice?

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Previewing the ‘facts’ in Mitt Romney’s acceptance speech
The details of Mitt Romney’s acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention on Thursday night are not known.

Is this becoming a disease? There seems to be a growing trend for the left to view their opinion as more true and factual than reality. From the WaPo checking “facts” of something that hasn’t occurred yet, to D Rywall dismissing the anaylysis of Ryan’s fact checkers (whose checks showing Ryan was incorrect were actually incorrect) on another thread as obfuscation, to warmthers “correcting” their data until it supports their theories, to Obama telling his advisors that their data must be wrong when it doesn’t agree with his optimistic projections, everywhere I turn is another “liberal” insisting that if there is a difference between his opinion and reality, well, reality must be wrong.

This is what happens when “higher education” is dumbed down so that students no longer learn critical thinking skills, but just parrot their professors. If reality doesn’t support what the Professor said, reality must be wrong. It’s almost as though the new college degree renders it bearer incapable of rational thought.

talkingpoints on August 30, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Jazz-

early open thread tonight?

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM

OT/It seems Debbie Wassermann Schultz and Sandra Fluke crashed the Republican Convention today. WTF?

sandee on August 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Or maybe I’m just lying. You know how we are.

I would be rolling on the floor laughing my ass off over here if I wasn’t already weeping. I have a blog dedicated basically to the fact that the media cannot be trusted to tell you that the sky is blue, water is wet or that fire is hot and will burn you.

SWalker on August 30, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Except even most idiots know the difference between the proper use of “that” (a business) and “those” (roads and bridges).

rogerb on August 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM

I read and saw the video multiple times, and he is referring to the road and bridges. or else it does not make sense. …

nathor on August 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM

sandee on August 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM

figures…no class whatsoever….

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Hotair, are you allowed to use politifact.com graphics to promote unrelated article? Is that the free market at work?

Mmm...Burritos on August 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Hotair, are you allowed to use politifact.com graphics to promote unrelated article? Is that the free market at work?

Mmm…Burritos on August 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Did you read the article?

Axe on August 30, 2012 at 6:32 PM

More importantly: Can you swim in the same river twice?

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Yes! :)

And no.

Axe on August 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

thank the Lord for HA going to the DNC convention
they do the dirty work so we don’t have to

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 6:10 PM

And for that, HotGas has my unending gratitude — but also my sincere sympathy. Don’t forget the hand sanitizer, and maybe even hip waders!

PatriotGal2257 on August 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Jazz-

early open thread tonight?

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Let’s see a show of hands. Currently the open thread is set for an RNC post by Erika at 9:40 PM eastern. Soon enough or shall we move it up a bit?

Jazz Shaw on August 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM

SWalker on August 30, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Speaking of which, where’s Resist We Much?

Anyway:

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its ice-field, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshiped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

Axe on August 30, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Jazz Shaw on August 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I vote for moving it to 7 p.m. so we don’t miss commenting on one bit of the action. :)

PatriotGal2257 on August 30, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Let’s see a show of hands. Currently the open thread is set for an RNC post by Erika at 9:40 PM eastern. Soon enough or shall we move it up a bit?

Jazz Shaw on August 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I don’t know what you are smoking Jazz, but seriously, you should pass some of it over here. It’s not even 4:00pm hereon the left coast yet. What is this whimpering and crying for an open thread before 6:00pm?

SWalker on August 30, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Axe on August 30, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Bravo, Ace! :)

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I can speak Kipling. :)

I should have linked it though.

Axe on August 30, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Once widely regarded as a unique, rigorous and reasonably independent investigator of political claims, PolitiFact now declares conservatives wrong three times more often than liberals.

occam’s razor says conservatives lie three times more often. if anything, politifact is too lenient.

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM

thank the Lord for HA going to the DNC convention
they do the dirty work so we don’t have to
cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 6:10 PM

And for that, HotGas has my unending gratitude — but also my sincere sympathy. Don’t forget the hand sanitizer, and maybe even hip waders!
PatriotGal2257 on August 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

And IMMUNIZATIONS.

Marcola on August 30, 2012 at 6:48 PM

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM

A walking, talking example of ‘projection’ as a psychological term..

Well, a sitting, typing one anyway.

LegendHasIt on August 30, 2012 at 6:49 PM

occam’s razor says conservatives lie three times more often. if anything, politifact is too lenient.

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Wow…. Now that right there is weapons grade insanity. It most assuredly is not the pills that the doctor gives you that brings words like that from anyone’s mouth.

SWalker on August 30, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Jazz-

early open thread tonight?

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Let’s see a show of hands. Currently the open thread is set for an RNC post by Erika at 9:40 PM eastern. Soon enough or shall we move it up a bit?

Jazz Shaw on August 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I would feel weird voting on an open thread knowing I’m going to skip out early. :)

Axe on August 30, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I read and saw the video multiple times, and he is referring to the road and bridges. or else it does not make sense. …

nathor on August 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Nice try, but fail. The words before and after that are even more damning for The One. “If you have a business and you are successful, somebody along the way gave you some help, …” Based upon that sentence, it is clear that ol’ Jugears really was making the claim that no successful person can make the claim that “they built it”. The words in context make it apparent that The One sees successful people as beneficiaries of the work of others and therefore should be sharing that wealth with the state.

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 6:57 PM

It is bog-standard leftist doctrine to “claim the middle ground.” That’s how the media lies to themselves about their ideology – they just call it “common sense” and “middle of the road,” they just lie about the road.

They love to do that about “civility,” too. They scream horrific lies and insults, then when they get push back they demand that “everyone” be civil – after they get theirs in. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If they hadn’t co-opted the press corps and the education “industry,” they would be marginal and considered dishonest idiots by just about everyone. Instead, they built a huge coalition based on these frauds (and the promise of loot).

Merovign on August 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Last night’s open thread wasn’t until Ryan’s speech.
I’d bet it’ll be the Romney thread, tonight.
Would be nice if we all settled into ONE place before that, tho.
My lappy’s not fast enough for so many windows refreshing at the same time.. LOL

pambi on August 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM

The words in context make it apparent that The One sees successful people as beneficiaries of the work of others and therefore should be sharing that wealth with the state.

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 6:57 PM

exactly! as if there’s anything wrong with that.

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 7:03 PM

It is bog-standard leftist doctrine to “claim the middle ground.” That’s how the media lies to themselves about their ideology – they just call it “common sense” and “middle of the road,” they just lie about the road.

Well, if the two road shoulders are Lenin to the right and Mao to the left, then, yeah, the media is pretty much middle of the road.

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 7:07 PM

OK, we’re going to split the difference and move the open thread up by an hour or so while the speeches are going on. Erika will handle it. Thanks for the feedback.

Jazz Shaw on August 30, 2012 at 7:12 PM

exactly! as if there’s anything wrong with that.

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Except that they already do. US corporate taxes are among the highest in the world. Small businesses that file individually are subject to 35% tax rates, so they also are contributing to the treasury. You seem to be under the impression that corporations and businesses pay little or no taxes now. So, what’s fair, they are already at over 1/3 of their profits, more if you include FICA taxes and state taxes as well as property taxes. So, what’s fair in your world? Should they be “allowed” to keep only 50% of what they earn? Would making them pay 60% in taxes make you more happy? Would that improve your lot in life?

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 7:13 PM

More importantly: Can you swim in the same river twice?

thatsafactjack on August 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM

As Heraclitus’s follower Cratylus added:

You cannot step [swim] in the same river once.

profitsbeard on August 30, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Jazz Shaw on August 30, 2012 at 7:12 PM

thanks Jazz…
sorry i wasn’t able to respond earlier….appreciate it!

cmsinaz on August 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM

So, what’s fair in your world? Should they be “allowed” to keep only 50% of what they earn? Would making them pay 60% in taxes make you more happy? Would that improve your lot in life?

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 7:13 PM

no dear, you were criticizing the concept itself that people are beneficiaries of the work of others and therefore expected to share their income with their community.

do you find this idea offensive? i don’t care about the numbers, just the concept. do you think the average person disagrees with it? if so

you said that this non-controversial statement “even more damning for The One” than the shamelessly taken-out-of-context ‘you didn’t build that’ quote.

still wonder why you’re called out so much as bald-faced liars by politifact?

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Except that they already do. US corporate taxes are among the highest in the world. Small businesses that file individually are subject to 35% tax rates, so they also are contributing to the treasury. You seem to be under the impression that corporations and businesses pay little or no taxes now. So, what’s fair, they are already at over 1/3 of their profits, more if you include FICA taxes and state taxes as well as property taxes. So, what’s fair in your world? Should they be “allowed” to keep only 50% of what they earn? Would making them pay 60% in taxes make you more happy? Would that improve your lot in life?

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 7:13 PM

sure, but then the argument would be about tax %, not claiming that “business did not built themselfs, but it was the goverment”.
it justme, but i find that political line”you did not build that”, dishonest every time i see it. it seems that the GOP is trolling the liberals…

nathor on August 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

just a question, are you a dem?

nathor on August 30, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.
 
- President Barack H. Obama

 

obama ad’s against it only have to add a few more seconds to the original “you did not build that” quote.
 
nathor on August 30, 2012 at 6:12 PM

 
Except even most idiots know the difference between the proper use of “that” (a business) and “those” (roads and bridges).
 
rogerb on August 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM

 
I read and saw the video multiple times, and he is referring to the road and bridges. or else it does not make sense. …
 
nathor on August 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM

 
Well played.

rogerb on August 30, 2012 at 7:47 PM

just a question, are you a dem?

nathor on August 30, 2012 at 7:35 PM

no.

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

just a question, are you a dem?

nathor on August 30, 2012 at 7:35 PM

no.

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Bullsh!t. That or communist.

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 8:05 PM

no dear, you were criticizing the concept itself that people are beneficiaries of the work of others and therefore expected to share their income with their community.

do you find this idea offensive? i don’t care about the numbers, just the concept. do you think the average person disagrees with it? if so

you said that this non-controversial statement “even more damning for The One” than the shamelessly taken-out-of-context ‘you didn’t build that’ quote.

still wonder why you’re called out so much as bald-faced liars by politifact?

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Frankly, your sophistry is tiring and tired. You know darned well what Jugears was saying and doing in that quote. He was minimizing the hard work of those who worked long hours 7 days a week building businesses and making them successful and attempting to a) shame them into thinking that they were not responsible for the success of those businesses and b) getting his sycophants (read — YOU) into thinking that when others are successful, the rest of society is entitled to share in that success to a large degree. Both of which are abhorrent ideas and only serve to reduce the drive and motivation of those who have made our society the success that it is.

/done with you and your condescending marxist dissembling

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 8:12 PM

You have to know how to ask the question. “Are you a dem” gives an out. Heck, I’m not an (R), either.
 

What has (Obama) said that you haven’t believed?
 
Del Dolemonte on February 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM

 
that he’s against gay marriage, for one.
 
sesquipedalian on February 22, 2012 at 1:09 PM

 

We know he gets a pass from the left on being opposed to gay marriage because we know, you know he really isn’t opposed to it.
 
NotCoach on February 22, 2012 at 1:12 PM

 
yes, we all know he’s not opposed to it. it’s a charade but i couldn’t care less – his actions speak louder than his words.
 
sesquipedalian on February 22, 2012 at 1:27 PM

 
FWIW, sesquipedalian, I enjoyed our exchange on the other thread.

rogerb on August 30, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Bullsh!t. That or communist.

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 8:05 PM

how you know?

nathor on August 30, 2012 at 8:23 PM

AZfederalist on August 30, 2012 at 8:12 PM

you’re blatantly misrepresenting what he was saying, and that is what we both know. it’s a cheap lie but you managed to build a convention on it.

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM

sesquipedalian, I enjoyed our exchange on the other thread.

rogerb on August 30, 2012 at 8:15 PM

masochist.

sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 8:27 PM

FWIW, sesquipedalian, I enjoyed our exchange on the other thread.
 
rogerb on August 30, 2012 at 8:15 PM

 
masochist.
 
sesquipedalian on August 30, 2012 at 8:27 PM

 
C’mon now, you didn’t do that badly.

rogerb on August 30, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Can’t even trust the referees whats this world coming to?

steel guy on August 30, 2012 at 5:54 PM

…let’s blow-up the teams..and start all over!

KOOLAID2 on August 30, 2012 at 8:50 PM

“Putin will have less flexability”

Dollayo on August 30, 2012 at 11:11 PM