Romney team “optimistic” that floor fight over rules can be avoided
posted at 11:21 am on August 28, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
Give the followers of Ron Paul credit for this misstep by Team Romney. They apparently spooked the nominee’s campaign enough to provoke a floor fight over delegate control, which blew up in their face rather spectacularly yesterday. By the end of the business day, Team Romney had retreated to a compromise proposal that seems to be gaining a little momentum, but is still far from over. Jazz Shaw had a good analysis of the situation on Sunday, and yesterday the Texas delegation threatened to go into full rebellion:
Texans, who select their delegates through a voting process that often elevates grassroots activists, say the change is an affront to the Lone Star State.
“We believe in Texas as a principle that no presidential candidate nor the RNC should be able to tell Texas who can or cannot be a delegate to the national convention,” said Butch Davis, a Lone Star State representative on the RNC rules committee. “It’s not a plain vanilla political fight. It’s a fundamental principle that we’re arguing for.”
Davis said the battle is over fundamental freedoms and voting rights: “This isn’t Reagan versus Ford, Goldwater versus Rockefeller,” Davis said. “This is George Washington versus King George.”
“We won’t allow this control by Republican candidate to take place,” Davis added.
By yesterday evening, Romney’s team had backpedaled significantly, but perhaps not to the extent sought by the suddenly-angered delegates:
Jim Bopp, a conservative delegate who had led the opposition to Mr. Romney’s proposed rules, issued a statement on Monday, saying he was pleased with the compromise.
“The Romney for President campaign has heard the concerns of the conservative grass-roots voices in our party and has crafted an amendment to the rules adopted on Friday to address these concerns,” Mr. Bopp said.
Under the compromise, delegates would be selected by the state and local level without interference or control by the party’s presidential candidate. That would allow competing voices inside the convention, both sides said.
But in a nod to the concerns of Mr. Romney’s campaign, delegates sent on behalf of a candidate would be required to vote to nominate that candidate on the first ballot. If they tried to vote for someone else, their vote would be recorded for the candidate to whom they were bound.
We’ll come back to the concept of “bound delegates” in a moment. Today, BuzzFeed reports that Team Romney feels more optimistic about this controversy dissipating before a floor demonstration:
“It’s an evolving process and its going well,” Romney aide Ron Kaufman, a longtime RNC insider, told BuzzFeed Tuesday morning. …
“Everyone wants the same thing,” he said.
Romney’s goal, he said, was merely to allow the party more flexibility in changing its rules in responding the changing political circumstances, something Democrats can do now and which, he said, “gives them a political advantage.”
I understand the anger over the initial proposed rules change, but it springs from a ridiculous anachronism in the presidential nomination process in both parties: caucuses. Primaries almost always result in bound delegates, and they also reflect the will of the voters in each state; they also don’t take days to tally from handwritten sheets. Caucuses may allow for grassroots activism, but they also create embarrassments for the parties and the candidates, as we saw this year in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and other states. Delegates selected in primaries represent voters of that state, while delegates selected in caucuses represent themselves. Which is actually more valuable to the process of nominating a candidate?
Why not get rid of them altogether — and get rid of nominating conventions, too? That’s what I argue in my column today for The Week. Here’s the practical argument, which is that the little remaining novelty of nominating conventions has been eclipsed by the Internet for at least a decade:
In the evenings, of course, conventions feature more provocative fare — politicians giving speeches. Before the advent of the internet, this may have provided a novelty for some Americans, who otherwise would not have had an opportunity to see a potential nominee speak at length, having had to satisfy themselves instead with sound bites provided by local and national news broadcasters. Today, however, every speech given by a politician lives forever on their websites, YouTube channels, Tumblr pages, and Facebook accounts. Not only can voters watch speeches at their own pace, they can also watch commentary on the speeches, read the transcripts, and debate their meaning on social-networking platforms — all with or without a national convention.
Perhaps this is why a Rasmussen poll this week shows that most voters have little interest in the national conventions of either party. Twenty-seven percent of likely voters will watch all or most of the Republican and/or Democratic conventions; only 16 percent of independents plan to do so. The likelihood of these being previously unengaged and undecided voters is not exactly high, and even before the convention coverage starts, 35 percent of likely voters believe the media has paid too much attention to them.
Nor does a convention seem to matter that much in the outcome of the election. Gallup reviewed the last 15 presidential elections and found that the candidate leading in their poll prior to either convention won 12 of the 15 contests. The three exceptions — 1988, 1992, and 2004 — had no particular convention issue for either party that suddenly boosted or demolished a nominee.
This floor fight is another reason to get rid of caucuses and nominating conventions, unless needed when primaries don’t produce a clear winner. We’re having a fight over whether bound delegates should vote as bound, at the same time we’re nominating the candidate who won overwhelmingly. Voters who cast their ballots in primaries certainly expect them to vote as bound, at least on the first ballot; caucus state delegates are (mostly) not bound anyway. All of this nonsense produces nothing but dissension, division, and uncertainty months after voters had their say, and just weeks before the general election. That’s not a system for success for either party, nor is it a system set up to do the will of voters overall.
Each party still needs a convention to handle rules changes and the platform planks, but that doesn’t mean that the nomination has to be part of the convention, either, unless the primaries don’t produce a clear winner. Voters mostly don’t care about the four-day pageants, nor do they make any real difference in the outcome of elections, but we spend tens of millions of dollars to stage them. Maybe we should seriously rethink this before 2016.
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Yeah I don’t get that either. We frickin elected the Governor of the first state to recognize gay marriage. He still didn’t win.
Read Rob Portman’s twitter feed. Did the gay community embrace him after his conversion. Heck, no. He had an R on the back of his name. They villified him for waiting until he had a gay son.
We are the fricking Civil Rights party but we can’t even get the black vote. Until we learn to fight the Dems and NOT BECOME the Dems we will continue losing. Becoming the Dems is not going to work. Everytime we move left, they will move the bar even more left. We have to learn to fight or we continue to lose. Is this so hard to understand?
melle1228 on March 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM
The conventions need to be earlier. I’ll agree that burnout may be a problem but one reason Romney lost was b/c he couldn’t refute the false attacks. By the time September rolled around, the attacks had done their damage – minds were set and recovery was difficult.
The Rs have to look at the big picture. We are the party of independent thinking and ideas (yes, we are) but we spend far too much time fighting each other. Thus, another reason to tighten up the debate schedule. Our internal fighting gives fodder to the Dems. The Dems will argue internally but with the press ignoring their behavior, their name calling, their differences and a lemming mindset that results in agreeing totally in public, Rs need to change their strategy.
We know what to fix and how to fix it (ok, we don’t always do it but ) and losing 3-4 months b/c of a convention schedule is foolish.
I know Reince can’t control everything and I wouldn’t want him to do so but getting the ideas out there to all groups of the R party will start more debates and we’ll go from there.
MN J on March 18, 2013 at 2:18 PM
“Authentic”?
Obama’s is the authenticity of a cynical community organizer who manipulates Alinsky-style by convincing the tools that his agenda is their agenda.
There is only one way to be authentic. Understand your principles and why they are better for people.
Then speak from the heart to people, not down at them.
Do those things consistently and authenticity will take care of itself.
novaculus on March 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM
How about using that $10 million to buy some funny language newspapers. You know what I am talking about, those foreign language newspapers you always find in the foyer of your favorite ethnic restaurant.
Those rags are all commie lib BS. So, if you’re a FOB hmong working in a restaurant, your only source of US political news comes from that thing and it’s all Obama loving.
We don’t need to be the free stuff army, part II. We need to actually explain that we have ideas and we’re not just a bunch of ignorant hill billies (IHB). I mean, I love IHB’s and they get a bad rap but if the donks put on airs and tell new, replacement Americans that the GOP is only for white IHB’s, and we don’t counter it, then yeah, FOB’s will buy it and we will lose as the donk’s drive FOB’s from polling place to polling place and have them fill out multiple absentee voter forms.
But we cannot out left the libs because there is nothing they won’t give away to get a vote.
joeindc44 on March 18, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Being in the GOP means that there’s always a stopping point for what we will do for a vote. The donkeys would melt down the statue of liberty into Fluke diaphragms for gay marriage ceremonies in mosques if they thought that it would get them a couple of senate seats.
joeindc44 on March 18, 2013 at 2:29 PM
I apologize for my earlier comment about cons whining. That was before I read the GOP report, and its awful. Talk about clueless. President Hilary here we come.
Jack_Burton on March 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM
Point well taken. I will not ever consider the loss of the popular vote in 2000 to be a loss, because, hey, it doesn’t count.
thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM
Looking through the reviews, CPAC was a bust this year and the GOP consultant class remains clueless. Reince Priebus should’ve been fired like Michael Steele. What are the job performance expectations for that post?
sauldalinsky on March 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM
10m is very expensive lipstick.
LetsBfrank on March 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM
Its a lesson shockingly easy to understand, set aside your personal desires, set aside the way you want others to behave, you have no right to determine what that should be and government has no place or actual authority to regulate the personal lives of Americans.
And at the same time demand dems get out or indoctrinating our young people.
Speakup on March 18, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Apparently, yes.
rrpjr on March 18, 2013 at 2:45 PM
I don’t know, it’s gonna be hard telling some welfare recipient and/or SSI scammer on Medicaid and foodstamp dole that he/she could be living the life if they vote Republican, pitching alien concepts like personal responsibility, education, self-improvement, strong work ethic and dignity. Very hard. They appear determined to remain a permanent underclass coddled through many generations of Liberal policies. In other words, they are a happy couple living in wedded bliss. Who’s your daddy? You are, you are, oh how I love you. $250 check check for doing nothing. How can life possibly get any better?
But still, you may be able to save some. Try it. Shake up their world view. What’s the worst that can happen? Saying no?
As for why the RNC hasn’t demanded more control of primary/presidential debates and in choosing moderators–wtf have they been waiting for? What an unmotivated lame bunch. As they bring up the proposal, I see them throwing in the towel, bowing unconditionally to the power of these Leftist news organizations “but we needs them and we don’t wanna rile any feathers!”. Just shut up and do it. Stop being such lazy a** p*ssies, already.
RepubChica on March 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM
I did read the whole thing. Gee, it was like the crap that they try to push on boards of directors now about how popular your company/product will be if you will only stand up for diversity, sustainability (eco-agricultrual) green initiatives, and Rainbow coalition.
I would really recommend we read it once and cast most of it aside, except for the organizational ideas.
Some of it is practical and requires spending the money…which was Priebus criticism of Michael Steel. He rode around with the grass roots spending money and got all those congress people -tea partiers- elected but he spent too much. Well, if you want to try something, it costs money. What is practical would be more co ordination and figuring out how to fight democrat get out the vote, the document does site that dems got out non voters, when we were out looking for “likely voters.”
Romney lost by 600,000 votes (electorally) when you add up the electoral states he would have had to win on Nov. 7th. That’s the ground game, getting the Community organizers out. We can’t go after their voters, you need to look around you and figure out who else you are not getting to the polls. I have also suggested that CA 4 million republican voters should vote with their feet to Florida, Virginia, New Mexico, and Colorado for their permanent residence for a start. Romney lost by 70K votes in one state and by 200K votes in Florida. That is almost easier than reinventing the wheel. All those states have lower taxes/no income taxes.
The mention GOP governors, but don’t give them enough attention. I think the future of the republican party is in strengthening the red states. Especially getting the liberals out of your education system to the extent you can, and forcing a pro American curriculum statewide, and forcing minority student to achieve, by not promoting them until they get it and only rewarding low achieving students with electives after they finish basics. MORE TRACKING. Get the kids that always do well onto another track and level the classrooms. Teach American history and civics. Do it now.
And align your state constitution with nature regarding males and females, and nature to define “gender identity” and force new laws on unmarried parents to behave in a like manner to married parents. Especially make unmarried fathers keep the children 50% of the time, pick them up at daycare and feed them. Only give unmarried mothers 50% of the say regarding these children. Make unmarried parents under 21 attend co-parenting class if they cannot get along well enough to be married. We can’t expect different behavior where parenting is concerned, they have been getting a pass. Single is a dating status. It is bad for the children.
Fleuries on March 18, 2013 at 2:58 PM
Priebus foolishly starts out by accepting the false Liberal meme that Republicans are exclusive.
Therefore, everything which follows will necessarily be a failure and a waste of money.
landlines on March 18, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Pardon me if I don’t get all a flutter listening now we should become more like the Democrats.
We lost those elections because we nominated bad candidates.
Pandering and hand outs is what has given the democrats their power base, not “authenticity”. Republicans are not going to garner any more percentage of the votes of those constituencies unless they also pander and give away hand-outs which is exactly what is being proposed with CIR.
We are not going to win until we nominate a candidate our own base will turn out and support.
We will simply lose more of our own base by attempting to steal away the niche groups the Democrats have cultivated over the last five decades.
Winning the fracking ‘hearts and minds’ of the opposition is pointless. It’s an unsuccessful strategy practically every time it’s tried, considering winning those hearts and minds is dependent on giving up on what needs to be done in the country and trying to out gift the Liberals.
catmman on March 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM
The GOP sends the cognitively disjointed message that the Left both doesn’t exist and is supreme.
This party is the walking dead.
rrpjr on March 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM
And liberals used their lies to say Bush stole two elections, with his corrupt and criminal friends Obama did steal this election, you gerrymandered your favorite moderate candidate, and its Conservatives who’re supposed to line and kiss your a**?
Every RINO one of ya should be run out of town, add insult to injury, that’s how you win elections, next time every Conservative will stay home.
Speakup on March 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM
FIFY.
Basically, consultants will get 70% of that $10 million. The rest will be spent begging Hispanics to vote Republican after we pass amnesty. What a winning strategy, lol. NOT!
xblade on March 18, 2013 at 5:15 PM
As long as the Fifth Column Treasonous Media remains firmly entrenched Marxists able to control the thoughts of even Moderate Republicans this will never happen. Every candidate that the GOP nominates with the ability to do that, will be turned into Sarah Palin. Painted by the Fifth Column Treasonous Media as unacceptable ad the 30% or so of the Republican base like Bluegill, who couldn’t form or hold an original thought in their head to save their lives will go out and do exactly what the Fifth Column Treasonous Media tell them to.
SWalker on March 18, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Rush had it right today. Focus groups are believing stuff about Republicans that is not really true. Then guys like Priebus buy into the nonsense.
Jasper61 on March 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Mark Levin: All the Bushies!!
http://marklevinshow.com/home.asp
bluefox on March 18, 2013 at 6:14 PM
The New Republican Party: All Democrat Lites and worse.
Guess they want more Conservatives to sit home. What idiots!
bluefox on March 18, 2013 at 6:18 PM
“Start establishing authenticity”…?You actually have to have some principles to be authentic.Pandering only leads to suspicion about what you really believe.To be honest I am not sure what the GOP stands for anymore.
redware on March 18, 2013 at 7:12 PM
I think they have adopted the “If you can’t fight them, join them”
bluefox on March 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM
‘Toon of the Day: GOP Rebranding
Resist We Much on March 18, 2013 at 8:29 PM
Oh, that’s a good one!!!
I thot they should rename it “The Autopsy Party”, LOL
bluefox on March 18, 2013 at 8:39 PM
…Rinsed Peni$…
KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Priebus is on Greta now complaining about too many debates. I thot the RNC was the one that decided the number of debates. Is that correct and if not, who decides?
bluefox on March 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM
This is why the Stoopid Party pays Prince Peibus teh big bucks!
james23 on March 18, 2013 at 11:14 PM
Explain it to me once again, Republicans — SLOWLY:
Why in hell should I vote for your candidates?
Because what I’m seeing thus far is that most Republicans are useless, and the flailing chairman of your party wants to make the party even more useless than it is already. The country is probably going to collapse within my lifetime. What the hell are you clowns going to do about it?
Aitch748 on March 19, 2013 at 9:05 AM
It is an apt description, because the 100-page report has as much chance of reviving the GOP as an autopsy has of reviving a corpse.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/18/Autopsy-Is-the-Right-Word-RNC-Releases-Report-on-Party-s-Future
“It looks like a system of the establishment, by the establishment, and for the establishment,” said conservative P.R. executive Greg Mueller, a veteran of Pat Buchanan’s campaigns.
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=8E184271-A2A9-4810-9CC2-DAEA87F2CD9D
The above politico article also lists the “Bushies” that Mark Levin listed last night that is a part of this RNC Committee.
Figures, change for the Big money Candidates and R donors for the “I volunteer my time” Karl Rove.
If the GOP looks like a Dem, talks like a Dem, it probably is a Dem.
bluefox on March 19, 2013 at 11:51 AM
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