Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on August 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

This week will be about more than watching the Weather Channel for Hurricane Isaac updates; it will also represent a chance to take the temperature of the contemporary GOP. If the schedule is anything to go by, the readings will be mixed indeed—on Wednesday night, for example, delegates will be greeted in rapid order by a video of Ron Paul, then Senate Minority Leader and longtime establishment hack Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky), then the man McConnell tried desperately to prevent winning the GOP senatorial primary in Kentucky (Sen. Rand Paul), then after another speaker a man who stands for most everything Ron Paul abhors (Sen. John McCain [R-Arizona]). You can count on one hand, maybe even one finger, the core beliefs those four men share.

The Ron Paul insurgency in particular presents a conundrum to the GOP. Even though some establishmentarian types would love to wash their hands of him, and the liberty movement’s future without its anti-charismatic leader is unclear, Republicans just can’t afford to lose Paul’s 11 percent share of the primary vote…

So the party that hasn’t figured out what it believes cannot afford to alienate any of its members who disagree strongly with one another. Though you will hear a lot this week about Republican unity against President Obama, that masks an ideological peace that at best is fragile, unattractive, and unsatisfying.

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[I]n some ways, the Republican Party today appears more factionalized — ideologically, politically and culturally — than Republican leaders said they could remember in recent history.

There are evangelicals, Tea Party adherents, supply-siders who would accept no tax increases and a dwindling band of deficit hawks who might. There are economic libertarians who share little of the passion that social conservatives hold on issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. There are neoconservatives who want a hard line against Iran and the Palestinians, and realists who are open to diplomatic deal-cutting…

“For some folks in the party these days, it’s not only the Washington establishment they’re running against. They’re opposed to anything that is perceived as being any kind of establishment, even if they are conservative,” Mr. Quayle said. “To me, that is craziness. The party has got some real challenges coming down the pike. It’s a minority party, and we’ve got to realize that it’s a game of addition, not subtraction.”

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Other presidential campaigns have gotten much further, then folded. But Paul’s people kept up hope. Maybe they could influence the Republican platform. Maybe they could scoop up uncommitted delegates and nominate Paul anyway. Maybe they could force the convention to a third ballot—which would free up delegates to look into their souls and vote for Dr. No…

The common theme: Ron Paul could still win, if these bastards didn’t keep taking delegates away. A group of Maine delegates walked around PAUL Fest in matching baseball caps, explaining how the state party had taken half their votes away in a series of arguments before the larger, pro-Romney Republican National Committee. It was so rotten, such obvious cheating, that Maine’s Republican governor was refusing to come to Tampa…

This is what outsiders don’t understand: Oodles of Paul supporters believe that the delegate switch-ups literally cost them a chance at the nomination. James DiPasquale, a Florida activist who watched some friends try and fail to become delegates, argues that Paul could win if the contest stretched on for a few ballots. (There has been no multi-ballot convention for decades.) “If every delegate was allowed to vote his conscience,” he asks, “how many of them really would want to vote for Romney? It would be a landslide for Ron Paul.”

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Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has a message for Ron Paul supporters who say they feel “disrespected” by the Republican Party’s delegate allocation process: You lost, move on.

“I don’t think they’ve been disrespected,” Huckabee told a gaggle of reporters as we walked through the convention center here near the Tampa Bay Times Forum. “Elections are about—you get numbers. I lost four years ago, and I didn’t feel disrespected as much as I felt defeated. You have to accept that the voters make a choice and the voters made a choice.”…

Huckabee has called Paul supporters “fanatical believers” who “don’t represent mainstream Americans.”

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Mr. Paul’s backers here exemplified the eclectic cross-section of the old, the young, politicians, musicians and anti-war advocates he drew together with his libertarian message. And it was difficult to find anyone who was ready to move on…

Danielle Alexandre, 33, a political analyst for the Liberty Underground radio show in Florida, said Mr. Paul’s movement was larger than the man. She, too, plans to vote for [Gary] Johnson.

On “the big issues, I don’t see a big difference between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama,” Ms. Alexandre said. “I’m not one to support the Republicans or support the Democrats.”

But would electing Mr. Romney advance Mr. Paul’s message at all? “No,” she said, shaking her head.

“Burn in hell before you vote for that son of a bitch,” added a man standing nearby.

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It was Paul’s second attempt at an “alternative convention.” In 2008, he brought supporters to Minneapolis for the “Rally for the Republic.” Tucker Carlson, in his pre-Daily Caller says, emceed the proceedings. I should say: He emceed them until Jesse Ventura spoke and started talking about 9/11, which scared Carlson (and Willie Geist) the hell out of there. Gary Johnson spoke at that rally, when he was a retired politician. Now that he was a Libertarian presidential candidate, he was absent. This was a Ron Paul show, a kind of tribute, and the candidate would use it to say all the things people never let him say. “I don’t do it out of sacrifice,” said the candidate. “I do it out of self-interest. I do it because it’s good for me.”

They say “Osama bin Laden would still be alive if we listened to you,” said Paul. “You know what I say? So would the 3000 people killed on 9/11!” That, and every sticking-it-to-the-neocons comment, got huge cheers. When America’s agressive, said Paul, “it’s easier for them to kill us over there than to come over here, where the Second Amendment is alive and well.”

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Via Mediaite.

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“I think a big part of sort of the libertarian Republican or the Ron Paul Republicans is that I think they can help the Republican Party,” he said. “There’s many places in New England as well as California where we’re not winning statewide races. It’s very difficult for Republicans to win. So I think embracing and bringing in these liberty-minded, Constitution-minded people and making them an integral part of the party is the way we might start winning races where we’re not winning races.”



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Hi Jackie! Hi Bmore!

I ain’t complainin’, B. Sorry you are heading out. Hope all is well with you.

novaculus on August 28, 2012 at 1:17 AM

@mboyle1 We were just attacked by a small contingent of #occupy scum driving through downtown Tampa #rnc2012

1h ago via Twitter for Android

Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:17 AM

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 1:00 AM

I don’t know if it is settled. Tweets from Shane Wright with Freedom Works says no.

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:04 AM

So does anyone know if this compromise on Rule 16(a)(2) really has been reached?

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 1:17 AM

Long week in store, early evenings for me, good to be back!

Good Night All.

Bmore on August 28, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Ry Cooder @ Record Plant 1974

For you Nova, although you probably already have this! :)

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Vince on August 28, 2012 at 1:13 AM

a capella gave a good summary. He was talking about RP supporters.

Yeah, they’re a headache, but it gave the party bosses an opportunity to defang the grassroots people, now and forevermore. Once it is in the rules, the RNC and the potential nominee control delegate selection which can be used for patronage and fundraising purposes.
Lousy deal.

a capella on August 28, 2012 at 1:05 AM

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Yeah, they’re a headache, but it gave the party bosses an opportunity to defang the grassroots people, now and forevermore. Once it is in the rules, the RNC and the potential nominee control delegate selection which can be used for patronage and fundraising purposes.
Lousy deal.

a capella on August 28, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Yep. Which is why there needs to be a serious housecleaning of the GOP or a viable third party. But that all takes time. What a mess.

kim roy on August 28, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Bmore on August 28, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Goodnight, B! Great to have you back. See you soon. Sleep well.

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:19 AM

I have a song that describes Ron Raul and all his little Ronulan clones to a Tee

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 1:20 AM

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:15 AM

@ShaneWright22 Now hearing word that Texas has withdrawn it’s signature’s from the Minority Report, which would effectively kill it #RNC2012 #GOP2012 #tcot

9m ago via web

Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Bmore on August 28, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Later..enjoyed it!..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Threat of a floor fight is maximum leverage. Power bosses don’t shouldn’t want that. Messy and potentially disasterous.!

a capella on August 28, 2012 at 1:21 AM

So does anyone know if this compromise on Rule 16(a)(2) really has been reached?

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 1:17 AM

This is the best I can do from piecing things together.

It seemed one had been, but because nothing had been done about 12, letting the RNC changes the rules when they please, the compromise was meaningless.

From Shane Wright’s tweets, it looks like the entire minority report will be on the floor tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/shanewright22

There’s also been at lot at MM’s site, but she’s quit for the evening.

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Holy smokes!..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Thanks. That’s new since I last looked. Anything on Rule 12?

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:24 AM

So for those of you still lingering, I have heard word that the minority report is intact, to the floor we go

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Let’s do it. Fight them now. I’m saying a prayer before I go to bed, that’s for sure.

This is really sad that they would try to betray the States/Delegates this way.

Thanks INC:-)

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Man, if there is anything that will screw things up, it will be a blood and guts dustup in full view of the media. The guys who dreamed this rules change business up should be staked to an anthill.

a capella on August 28, 2012 at 1:26 AM

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:24 AM

No, that’s the last tweet that Shane sent. And as you said above, MM seems to have stopped reporting on it for the night.

Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:27 AM

They say “Osama bin Laden would still be alive if we listened to you,” said Paul. “You know what I say? So would the 3000 people killed on 9/11!”

*sigh*

Hawkins1701 on August 28, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Oh, that Yahoo article canopfor linked to is interesting. Some info I hadn’t read elsewhere.
Thanks Canada:-)

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 12:55 AM

bluefox:Anytime BF,btw,you were mentioning SarahCuda,this it!:)
===============================================================

It’s about who and what we replace it with. Grassroots conservatives know this. Without the energy and wisdom of the grassroots, the GOP would not have had the historic 2010 electoral victories. That’s why the controversial rule change being debated at the RNC convention right now is so very disappointing. It’s a direct attack on grassroots activists by the GOP establishment, and it must be rejected. Please follow the link to Michelle Malkin’s article about this.

http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Man, if there is anything that will screw things up, it will be a blood and guts dustup in full view of the media. The guys who dreamed this rules change business up should be staked to an anthill.

a capella on August 28, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Exactly.

Let’s do it. Fight them now. I’m saying a prayer before I go to bed, that’s for sure.

This is really sad that they would try to betray the States/Delegates this way.

Thanks INC:-)

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 1:26 AM

I agree. And you’re welcome.

See all y’all later.

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:21 AM
INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Thanks. So they haven’t averted the floor fight…

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 1:30 AM

a capella on August 28, 2012 at 1:21 AM

I agree..Lt’s hope this gets settled vey early!..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:30 AM

RP has delivered, I don’t know hundreds of baby’s, making hundred’s of family’s happy & complete. He has stood for his principles against all odds, whether you agree or not.

Yes, Herr Doktor Paul has delivered very many WHITE babies.

What the H*ll have you EVER done for anyone else? Except maybe force your ridiculous wants and needs on the rest of us.

Hypocrisy coming from a Paultard. I saw what people were saying on the Ron Paul forums, they thought they had found a loophole which would have allowed them to overrule the entire primary process and make Ron Paul the GOP nominee over the wishes of more than 10,000,000 voters who chose Romney.

You people don’t give a @#$% about democracy.

RP does not deserve your derision, particularly for being a man who cares and stands for something.

ccrosby on August 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Ron Paul is a racist. He is a liar, enemy sympathizer, borderline traitor and very nearly deserves to swing from the Gallows in Ft. Leavenworth.

Alberta_Patriot on August 28, 2012 at 1:32 AM

See all y’all later.

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:29 AM

See you. Thanks again for the updates.

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 1:32 AM

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 1:20 AM

LoLz..:)

PS..Remember the moie Judgement Nght??..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Work To Make It Work

novaculus on August 28, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Ok, this is getting really f***ing old here. Most of the videos posted to Hot Air can’t even be viewed in their entirely because of this auto-refresh BS.

People don’t care about seeing the latest comments. When they want to see them, they’ll refresh page. And they sure as sh!t don’t care about seeing more ads.

Dirt McGirt on August 28, 2012 at 12:24 AM

If you use Internet Explorer, to to Tools–Internet Options–Security tab–click Custom Level–find Miscellaneous–Allow META refresh and disable it.

Zooid on August 28, 2012 at 1:33 AM

INC on August 28, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Later..Enjoyed it!..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Reconsider Baby

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:34 AM

@ShaneWright22 I have all sorts of goodies i’m sitting on right now. Gotta package them up nice and pretty for you guys. #RNC2012 #Resist44 #tcot

2m ago via web

Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:35 AM

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 1:20 AM

LoLz..:)

PS..Remember the movie Judgement Nght??..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Fixe!.)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:35 AM

novaculus on August 28, 2012 at 1:33 AM

So.. did you already have the Ry Cooder I left you?

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Alberta_Patriot on August 28, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Don’t sugar coat it….tell us how you REALLY feel. ;)

Zooid on August 28, 2012 at 1:36 AM

bluefox:Anytime BF,btw,you were mentioning SarahCuda,this it!:)
===============================================================

It’s about who and what we replace it with. Grassroots conservatives know this. Without the energy and wisdom of the grassroots, the GOP would not have had the historic 2010 electoral victories. That’s why the controversial rule change being debated at the RNC convention right now is so very disappointing. It’s a direct attack on grassroots activists by the GOP establishment, and it must be rejected. Please follow the link to Michelle Malkin’s article about this.

http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Oh thank you. I’ve had 8 windows open, glad my PC hasn’t slowed down nor crashed:-)

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 1:36 AM

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 1:20 AM

LoLz..:)

PS..Remember the movie Judgement Nght??..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Fixe!.)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Not off hand…

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Bmore on August 28, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Good to see you back. I trust your time off was relaxing.

AZfederalist on August 28, 2012 at 1:37 AM

Face it — they long ago ceased to be Republicans. “Burn in Hell indeed” — I’d burn in Hell if ever I pulled the lever for Herr Doktor.

The guy is of the “gentlemen don’t read other gentlemen’s mail” ilk, coupled with a good dose of “my friend is anyone who doesn’t say they are my enemy”, larded with everything he ever put in one of his newsletters.

unclesmrgol on August 28, 2012 at 1:37 AM

@ShaneWright22 I have all sorts of goodies i’m sitting on right now. Gotta package them up nice and pretty for you guys. #RNC2012 #Resist44 #tcot

2m ago via web
Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:35 AM

I hope he does it quick. Bed beckons.

a capella on August 28, 2012 at 1:42 AM

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:18 AM
thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:36 AM

No, I didn’t. So thanks much. It is on my Ry Cooder list now.

novaculus on August 28, 2012 at 1:42 AM

red red wine

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:43 AM

novaculus on August 28, 2012 at 1:42 AM

I’m glad I kept it for you, then. I ran across it about a week ago and I held it in my bookmarks for when I ran into you again as I know you really appreciate him. :)

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:44 AM

They say “Osama bin Laden would still be alive if we listened to you,” said Paul. “You know what I say? So would the 3000 people killed on 9/11!”

Herr Doktor has a very poor grasp of history. The marines landed in Tripoli with only authorization of force, not a declaration of war. Jefferson used military power to protect shipping and Hamilton took the Bay of Tripoli because war had been effectively declared against the United States and he therefore used the military to suppress the threat. The prevailing view at the time did not find this to be a problem. We would be threatened by the islamofascists merely by our trading in that region of the world.

AZfederalist on August 28, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Thanks INC:-)

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 1:26 AM

bluefox:Found this!:)
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Video: Gov. Palin talks to Hannity Aug. 27, 2012
Monday, 27 August 2012 17:53
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Video:(7:34)

http://www.sarahnet.net/sarahnet-news/7281-video-gov-palin-talks-to-hannity-aug-27-2012.html

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 1:45 AM

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Denis Leary did a very good job of acting in the movie..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 1:47 AM

Flora Duh on August 28, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Levin had a caller earlier that said all Delegates should vote no on the Minority Report. Is this what they should do? And Texas pulling their signatures, good or bad?

Thanks. I did see your latest post about Twitter posts coming:-)

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Herr Doktor has a very poor grasp of history. The marines landed in Tripoli with only authorization of force, not a declaration of war. Jefferson used military power to protect shipping and Hamilton took the Bay of Tripoli because war had been effectively declared against the United States and he therefore used the military to suppress the threat. The prevailing view at the time did not find this to be a problem. We would be threatened by the islamofascists merely by our trading in that region of the world.

AZfederalist on August 28, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Well said. This constant Blame America first garbage is why I hate RuPaul.

Honestly I would’ve knocked him through a podium during a debate when he starts that hot garbage.

As much as I didn’t want Romney, I’m glad Mitt will be the nominee instead of that crazy old kook!

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Video:(7:34)

http://www.sarahnet.net/sarahnet-news/7281-video-gov-palin-talks-to-hannity-aug-27-2012.html

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Got it! Thanks, will watch. I haven’t even had the TV on all evening, LOL

Hope I can get up early after being up so late:-)

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 1:50 AM

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Muchas gracias,amiga. I am a big Cooder fan, even if he is a little red hen.

novaculus on August 28, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Dream a Little Dream

I bid you all goodnight. Its been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Hypocrisy coming from a Paultard. I saw what people were saying on the Ron Paul forums, they thought they had found a loophole which would have allowed them to overrule the entire primary process and make Ron Paul the GOP nominee over the wishes of more than 10,000,000 voters who chose Romney.

You people don’t give a @#$% about democracy.

RP does not deserve your derision, particularly for being a man who cares and stands for something.

ccrosby on August 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Ron Paul is a racist. He is a liar, enemy sympathizer, borderline traitor and very nearly deserves to swing from the Gallows in Ft. Leavenworth.

Alberta_Patriot on August 28, 2012 at 1:32 AM

I share your hatred of RuPaul, believe me :)

What exactly is the loophole the paultards thought they could use to steal the nomination?

Alot of this is too inside baseball stuff for me.

I did hear on Levin tonight talking about Romney and the RNC stripping delegates, basically taking power away from local/state delegates and going with their national/establishment delegates instead. This does concern me and I think it could be bad and used to fight against the grassroots tea party in the future.

I just want to try to learn as much as possible about all this. I’ve been arguing with a few paultards in my local 912 group and want to know everything I can.

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 1:54 AM

9:59 pm ET August 27, 2012
Sen. Rand Paul:
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The Republican Party Needs to Embrace Libertarians In Order to Win
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by Hannity Posted in: 2012 Election, Libertarian, Rand Paul, RNC, Ron Paul

Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) sat down with Sean Hannity from the convention center in Tampa. He was scheduled to speak Monday night, but due to weather delays, he is slated to speak now on Wednesday night. As the country braces for Tropical Storm Isaac, which is set to turn into a hurricane as it reaches the coast, liberals have voiced their concerns over the fact that the storm bypassed the RNC.

VIDEO:(06:53)
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/08/27/sen-rand-paul-republican-party-needs-to-embrace-libertarians-in-order-to-win/

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 1:56 AM

novaculus on August 28, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Its just a trifle. I’m glad you like it! I never liked musicians because of their ideology or their private lives… they have one singular talent that admire. Their musical ability. Well…okay.. I did run across this Ladies Love Country Boys and I’ll confess, he got my attention… I’m only HUMAN! LOL!

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:58 AM

This is an article that canopfor linked to earlier on the Rule Changes and the Texas Delegation. Wow, over 7,000 comments. Sounds like Texas is really standing their ground on this.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/texas-delegates-planning-floor-mutiny-over-rnc-rules-225837647.html

The changes, which Mitt Romney’s top lawyer put forward last week and Gov. Haley Barbour along with some other Romney supporters have embraced…

Mitt Romney’s campaign lawyer Ben Ginsberg proposed the rule last week, but even some Romney supporters are staunchly opposed to the changes. Indiana delegate and Romney supporter James Bopp wrote in an email to RNC members that it’s “the biggest power grab in the history of the Republican Party.” Fredricks, a Romney supporter, says only 30 people of the more than 300 Texan alternates and delegates support Ron Paul, yet the delegation is “united” in its opposition to the rule.

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:01 AM

I just want to try to learn as much as possible about all this. I’ve been arguing with a few paultards in my local 912 group and want to know everything I can.

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 1:54 AM

The best way I know to find out more on these Rule Changes is to check comments on this thread by myself, INC, canopfor and Flora Duh. We’ve covered as much as possible. M. Malkin’s site also.

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:04 AM

I’m only HUMAN! LOL!

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:58 AM

You like you a little Na-na, is that it Jack? ;p

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:05 AM

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Later!..Enjoyed it as always!..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 2:06 AM

Ron Paul is a racist. He is a liar, enemy sympathizer, borderline traitor and very nearly deserves to swing from the Gallows in Ft. Leavenworth.

Alberta_Patriot on August 28, 2012 at 1:32 AM

This Rule Change is a power grab by Romney and the RNC. It is NOT limited to Ron Paul Delegates; it is ALL Delegates. See my reply to Levin Fan.

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:08 AM

I just want to try to learn as much as possible about all this. I’ve been arguing with a few paultards in my local 912 group and want to know everything I can.

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 1:54 AM

This is the last I heard of what the Texas delegation is doing. There almost certainly will be a compromise on the national RNC’s ability to replace state-elected delegates (Rule 16(a)(2) to avoid a serious floor fight.

Not sure what is going with Rule 12– which allows the RNC to change the rules when it convenes the national convention. Lot of grassroots resistance.

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 2:09 AM

The best way I know to find out more on these Rule Changes is to check comments on this thread by myself, INC, canopfor and Flora Duh. We’ve covered as much as possible. M. Malkin’s site also.

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:04 AM

What’s the main issue the RNC fears from the local grassroots delegates?

I thought that if a delgate is bound they have to vote for the candidate they’re bound to and can’t change not matter what right?

So is the main concern over the unbound delegates? That if they’re grassroots delegates they could vote for someone else, but if the RNC can pick it’s own establishment delegates then it’ll always ensure the establishment pick always wins at the convention?

That’s my rough understanding of it I guess.

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 2:11 AM

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Seems like there are two hurricanes; one in Tampa and one in the Convention, LOL

What with this Rule change issue, I’m beginning to think they postponed the Convention from Monday due to that. Well, they started it. The Gov of Maine has already said he’s not attending the Convention due to this very reason. And he’s a strong Romney supporter!

Thanks again. I’m about ready to get some sleep and I’m sure you are too!!

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:15 AM

This is an article that canopfor linked to earlier on the Rule Changes and the Texas Delegation. Wow, over 7,000 comments. Sounds like Texas is really standing their ground on this.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/texas-delegates-planning-floor-mutiny-over-rnc-rules-225837647.html

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:01 AM

bluefox:

Mutiny….not again,ugh,I remember the Mc Cains Mutiny of 08′
with Senator Capt’n Queeg!:)
(sarc).

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 2:16 AM

There are evangelicals, Tea Party adherents, supply-siders who would accept no tax increases and a dwindling band of deficit hawks who might. There are economic libertarians who share little of the passion that social conservatives hold on issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. There are neoconservatives who want a hard line against Iran and the Palestinians, and realists who are open to diplomatic deal-cutting…

Sounds like America. And We Are Americans…We Are AMERICA.

supply-side-T.E.A.party-no-tax-increases-fiscal-social-conservative-neo-realist-diplomatic-AMERICANS.

Yeah! YAAY! We want to ROCK, and not be BROKE!

We can fix it, we’re AMERICA!

/serious

Who is John Galt on August 28, 2012 at 2:16 AM

I thought that if a delgate is bound they have to vote for the candidate they’re bound to and can’t change not matter what right?

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 2:11 AM

No, they are not, and it has always been a potential problem. A delegate voting different than the will of the those he/she represents has only happened a couple of times. There is nothing to prevent them from being what is called an “unfaithful delegate” nor is their any punishment for it. But like I said, I’m pretty sure that only 2 delegates have ever done that. Though I would not for one second put it past Ron Paul’s faithful do exactly that.

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:18 AM

27 August 2012 | 10:44 PM
Proposed GOP convention rule change rankles some Va. delegates
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A move by Mitt Romney loyalists to give presidential nominees veto power over delegates to the national GOP convention could have signficant impacts for states like Virginia which select delegates separate from primary election contests.

And some Virginians in Tampa, Fla. are steamed about it.

Morton C. Blackwell, a longtime state Republican activist and national GOP committeeman, aired his grievances about the proposed rule change in a three-page letter distributed among the Virginia delegation Monday.

The recommended changes are “the most awful I’ve seen come before any National Convention,” wrote Blackwell, whose involvement in party politics can be traced to his role as a Barry Goldwater delegate in 1964.

In effect, he said they would give national party officials the power to unilaterally alter the preferences of grassroots activists by stripping state parties of the ability to choose “who will represent their states as national delegates and alternate delegates.”

Virginia selects delegates several ways, including regionally at the congressional district level through the at-large selections of a state GOP committee.

Blackwell made his appeal to reject the rule change — it could spark a convention floor fight Tuesday — during a closed session portion of the Virginia delegation breakfast Monday morning, according to sources.

The rule rift exposes the lingering divisions between team Romney and supporters of U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, a libertarian whose supporters have pushed for inclusion of some of their planks in the party platform.

Like Blackwell, Portsmouth delegate Chris Stearns was upset by the effort to change how delegates are chosen, calling it an abhorrent, illegitimate “power grab.”

Stearns is a delegate from the 3rd Congressional District that covers parts of the Peninsula and South Hampton Roads; it’s the lone Virginia district that Paul carried in the state’s Republican presidential primary last March.

Romney strategist Russ Schriefer downplayed the volatility of the delegate selection issue when came up on a Monday afternoon conference call.

“I don’t think this is a particularly divisive point of view,” he told a reporter who asked about the rule change, adding that Republicans ultimately are united in the effort to defeat President Barack Obama.
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http://hamptonroads.com/2012/08/proposed-gop-convention-rule-change-rankles-some-va-delegates

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 2:20 AM

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Seems like there are two hurricanes; one in Tampa and one in the Convention, LOL

Thanks again. I’m about ready to get some sleep and I’m sure you are too!!

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:15 AM

bluefox:

Lol,the Dueling Hurricanes,haha,could be,yup,I’m signing out
too,nite FB:)

GoodNight H/A===================================:)

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 2:23 AM

No, they are not, and it has always been a potential problem. A delegate voting different than the will of the those he/she represents has only happened a couple of times. There is nothing to prevent them from being what is called an “unfaithful delegate” nor is their any punishment for it. But like I said, I’m pretty sure that only 2 delegates have ever done that. Though I would not for one second put it past Ron Paul’s faithful do exactly that.

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Yeah I wouldn’t put it past any Paulbots to pull something dirty.

I know there’s also unbound delegates which I don’t think is that great of an idea. When I first started looking at this stuff over the weekend I learned that Paul has 21 out of 25 Iowa delegates b/c when Santorum won the state the delegates were unbound??

That seems pretty messed up too. It takes away from the will of the people. What did Santorum win be a few votes, while Paul wasn’t even close, yet he now gets the majority of delegates?

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 2:25 AM

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:18 AM

O.T.– imagine that, and on a QOTD thread!– but you catching any of the Imperial Valley earthquake swarm? 300 in one day…

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 2:27 AM

I share your hatred of RuPaul, believe me :)

What exactly is the loophole the paultards thought they could use to steal the nomination?

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 1:54 AM

I don’t know exactly, which is partly because Paultards usually don’t know what they are talking about either.

As I recall, it was something about whether delegates are really bound or not and the actual primaries not binding delegates somehow.

Either way, the paultards over at http://www.ronpaulforums.com had no ethical problems with the concept of hijacking the process over the expressed will of the voters.

Here’s an example, one paultard claims if they get booted from the convention, that this will somehow enable them to hold a convention in the parking lot and elect Ron Paul over Romney.

They have no respect for democracy or reality.

Alberta_Patriot on August 28, 2012 at 2:27 AM

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:04 AM

What’s the main issue the RNC fears from the local grassroots delegates?

I thought that if a delgate is bound they have to vote for the candidate they’re bound to and can’t change not matter what right?

So is the main concern over the unbound delegates? That if they’re grassroots delegates they could vote for someone else, but if the RNC can pick it’s own establishment delegates then it’ll always ensure the establishment pick always wins at the convention?

That’s my rough understanding of it I guess.

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 2:11 AM

The rule that hasn’t been settled yet is #12. Most everything is listed at either Malin’s site or C4P, which includes a lot of Malkin’s info.

http://conservatives4palin.com/2012/08/malkin-grassroots-activists-battle-attempt-to-rig-gop-convention-delegate-rules.html

I would post more info, but I’ve got to sign off:-) So I can start again in the morning.

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:28 AM

That seems pretty messed up too. It takes away from the will of the people. What did Santorum win be a few votes, while Paul wasn’t even close, yet he now gets the majority of delegates?

LevinFan on August 28, 2012 at 2:25 AM

That was the Ronulans strategy all along, they figured out how the rules worked, and then decided since they were never going to get the America People to accept Herr Doktor at the nomination level, that they would just steal the nomination.

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:30 AM

canopfor on August 28, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Goodnight Canada:-) We should not have any trouble going to sleep tonight, LOL

bluefox on August 28, 2012 at 2:31 AM

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:18 AM

O.T.– imagine that, and on a QOTD thread!– but you catching any of the Imperial Valley earthquake swarm? 300 in one day…

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 2:27 AM

No, this is the first I have heard of it.

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:36 AM

52 minutes ago:

Shane Wright ‏@ShaneWright22
I have the language to the proposed rules, when my piece is up @FreedomWorks will ensure you know about it.

57 minutes ago:

Shane Wright ‏@ShaneWright22
I am about to acquire the proposed language of rule 12, you can all thank @FreedomWorks with generous donations. #RNC2012 #GOP2012 #tcot

Check Freedomworks tomorrow a.m. to see what kind of afternoon floor fight could ensue. Rule 12 is the one that governs everything else, as the proposed chance would allow the RNC to make rule changes without convention/grassroots input. The other rule compromises– such as binding delegates– are meaningless if the RNC can make up new rules as it goes along.

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM

No, this is the first I have heard of it.

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:36 AM

We’ve felt a few small shakes (largest was a 5.5). Mostly centered around Brawley, El Centro, and the Salton Sea, all old stomping grounds.

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 2:42 AM

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:36 AM

We’ve felt a few small shakes (largest was a 5.5). Mostly centered around Brawley, El Centro, and the Salton Sea, all old stomping grounds.

de rigueur on August 28, 2012 at 2:42 AM

I’m about 130 miles west of Brawley, and we didn’t feel anything.

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Bit off topic tonight, but I thought I’d bring it up.

Dick Morris’s own pollster just released a poll tonight that put Romney +7 over Obama.

Romney 50%
Obama 43%

Party Affiliation breakdown was 33%D/31%R/36%I, or Plus 2 Democrats.

http://www.dickmorris.com/romney-has-big-lead-in-my-poll/

This might seem like wildly out of pace polling at a glance, but if you took that Fox poll from last week and adjusted the party breakdown to match this poll, you’d get about +5% Romney, so it far off.

Additionally, the internals of the polling look very similar to what we’ve seen from other pollsters lately. Romney winning independents, Obama and Romney about tied on likability, Romney winning on things like the economy and deficit by about the usual amount.

Biggest take away is just to show you how dramatically small changes in methodology can change the outcome of a poll. +2 Dems it a little lower than normal turnout for democrats, but only just, and given the enthusiasm gap its a very defensible assumption.

Course, gotta take it with a grain of salt. This is Dick Morris’s polling of course, and he isn’t unbiased. The basic methodology seems sound however, so I doubt its TOO far off.

WolvenOne on August 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Bit off topic tonight, but I thought I’d bring it up.

Dick Morris’s own pollster just released a poll tonight that put Romney +7 over Obama.

Romney 50%
Obama 43%

Party Affiliation breakdown was 33%D/31%R/36%I, or Plus 2 Democrats.

http://www.dickmorris.com/romney-has-big-lead-in-my-poll/

WolvenOne on August 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Morris is one of those guys whose “analysis” always sounds too good to be true.

He predicted a McCain win last time around too.

Alberta_Patriot on August 28, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Funny how Paulbots constantly talk about liberty, freedom, constitution, and all that stuff yet want to disregard the vote of the majority of Americans that nominated Romney.

These people are nothing but charlatans. They use words like liberty and constitution to hide behind what they are really about which is sticking it to the Jews and legalized drugs.

Notice that all these “true conservatives”, as they like to call themselves, seem to disparage Romney about 10 times more than Obama? It is because they prefer Obama. They are constantly yapping about how they will never vote for Romney. Obama is the better choice for them. Out of the two candidates, who is more likely to screw over Jews and legalize drugs? The answer is Obama, and that is why they prefer him to Romney.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 28, 2012 at 3:03 AM

Cannabis smoking ‘permanently lowers IQ’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9426205/Cannabis-smoking-permanently-lowers-IQ.html

SparkPlug on August 28, 2012 at 3:25 AM

Oh, those people are revolting, alright.

crosspatch on August 28, 2012 at 3:50 AM

That was the Ronulans strategy all along, they figured out how the rules worked, and then decided since they were never going to get the America People to accept Herr Doktor at the nomination level, that they would just steal the nomination.

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Paultards are whackjobs and hypocrites.

In their fantasy world, secret plots to subvert the democratic will of the people and take over the country are only wrong when the jews do it.

Alberta_Patriot on August 28, 2012 at 4:35 AM

About six hours ago, PointnClick sez…

Lemme kick the jukebox…

Protest music, 2012 style

PointnClick on August 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM

One for the day shift… I wanna see this video get one million hits. Look for uber-babe Michelle Malkin for a moment in the video…

Question for the suits at Hot Gas: Can I get banned for repeatedly posting an awesome music video every damned day for the next eight or nine weeks that cameos The Boss Emeritus…?

Just checkin’…

PointnClick on August 28, 2012 at 5:48 AM

So the party that hasn’t figured out what it believes cannot afford to alienate any of its members who disagree strongly with one another.

Hahaha…

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 6:13 AM

AnninCA wrote lengthy posts that took forever to read, Tesla doesn’t…

OmahaConservative on August 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Agreed. AnninCA posted her meatloaf recipes. Tesla is a pervert who never let’s us forget. His rants about Santorum were crazy and relentless.

JPeterman on August 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM

O.K., after reading a bit of some comments from the last few day or so, I now agree with some here: Tesla’s got issues.

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 6:16 AM

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has a message for Ron Paul supporters who say they feel “disrespected” by the Republican Party’s delegate allocation process: You lost, move on.

for once i actually agree with the huckster

paul fans, acknowledge, move on….

your fringe members ruin all credibility/respect with their antics during state convnetions…

cmsinaz on August 27, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Saying “I told ya’ so”:: the CPAC escapades were serious previews of what they had in mind. Unfortunately, those of us who objected to such got a lot of hate mail and comments for saying as much.

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 6:27 AM

INC on August 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Yep, the establishment is working to shut out Tea Party grass roots. Mrs. Federalist has been involved here in AZ. Establishment manipulation of rules makes them look more like democrats than real republicans.

AZfederalist on August 27, 2012 at 11:53 PM

What would be your solutions to the threats by the Paulians? Not to mention others similar?

The Rules-Change effort, as I see it (could be wrong, I’m just saying this is my impression) has been an effort to hold delegates to their commitments and to not allow them to show up and engage in TurnCoat acts with contrary votes or other “surprise voting” that sets a convention into disarray.

I think the effort should be respected while I also see that it’s right to form compromise to try to discourage future abuses and other exploit.

But what are your ideas for how this could have been handled?

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 6:40 AM

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 6:27 AM

darn it

cmsinaz on August 28, 2012 at 6:54 AM

From too good if true Department.

Connecticut Senate poll released today. Similar to the Rasmussen poll a week ago,

Quinnipiac

Murphy 46, McMahon 49 McMahon +3

If Linda can keep running a good campaign, it will be Smack Down for Harry Reid.

bayview on August 28, 2012 at 6:55 AM

OldEnglish on August 28, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Hello!..How are things Down Under??..:)

PS..I watched an Aussie movie Tomorrow When the War Began the other day..Nice flick..Reminded me of Red Dawn..:)

Dire Straits on August 28, 2012 at 12:14 AM

I agree, I watched that, too, twice (“Tomorrow When The War Began”). It’s obviously a first-parter for a series to come, well done. Yes, inspired by RED DAWN, all the better about it.

Looking forward to a recent edition of RED DAWN, tool though I am not fond of the “remake genre,” this recent one looks to be a good one.

The oiginal RED DAWN, written Kevin Reynolds (director of other films, he is the author of the story from whence the film was made) and John Milius, who also directed it, has been screenwriting and story inspiration for countless people ever since it’s original release.

Of course, in today’s difficult political environment, the Obama Admin would consider “Wolverines” to be ‘militia’ and likely put a watch on Milius and Reynolds.

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM

mittens is no better than ron paul

Pragmatic on August 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM

morning joe is reminding us that during the primaries, when it looked like he was being beat, mitt would write a check.

mitt wrote another big check to the rnc. now he gets to single handedly trample all over the grass root once again.

you can stamp your dirty little feet till your hearts content mitt, but we won’t be eradicated.

renalin on August 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 6:27 AM

darn it

cmsinaz on August 28, 2012 at 6:54 AM

Well, live and learn. ;)

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 7:02 AM

renalin on August 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM

they got the bosses’ memo…tingles is doing it and you’re not…bash, bash, bash

cmsinaz on August 28, 2012 at 7:02 AM

mitt wrote another big check to the rnc. now he gets to single handedly trample all over the grass root once again.

you can stamp your dirty little feet till your hearts content mitt, but we won’t be eradicated.

renalin on August 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM

What do you think Ron Paul is doing and has been doing?

And no one wants to “eradicate” you. Certainly not Mitt Romney and the GOP. They appear to be working with you to an extent not displayed as to most others.

What you all engage in is just Leftwing anarchy with a new label on it.

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 7:04 AM

now onto bashing costco…it doesn’t ring truthful that they would love costco

cmsinaz on August 28, 2012 at 7:05 AM

They say “Osama bin Laden would still be alive if we listened to you,” said Paul. “You know what I say? So would the 3000 people killed on 9/11!”

That is so crazy, that is like blaming the Jews for the Holocaust…but then again given Ron Paul’s attitudes toward Israel he has come pretty darn close to doing that.

Terrye on August 28, 2012 at 7:06 AM

That was the Ronulans strategy all along, they figured out how the rules worked, and then decided since they were never going to get the America People to accept Herr Doktor at the nomination level, that they would just steal the nomination.

SWalker on August 28, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Paultards are whackjobs and hypocrites.

In their fantasy world, secret plots to subvert the democratic will of the people and take over the country are only wrong when the jews do it.

Alberta_Patriot on August 28, 2012 at 4:35 AM

I agree with both of you EXCEPT that last sentence, Alberta_Patriot, I’d put in quotation marks or some sort of “sarcasm” indication…

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 7:07 AM

Lourdes on August 28, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Mark Levin and Sarah Palin, too?

kingsjester on August 28, 2012 at 7:08 AM

Ron Paul……..get off the stage and let Rand have your dreams.

Let’s see what he can do with the good ones and if he can avoid the kooky ones.

NOT THE COMMIE 2012 !!!

PappyD61 on August 28, 2012 at 7:10 AM

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