Cops bust anarchist terror cell suspected of murdering two people, plotting bombings

posted at 9:39 pm on August 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Ace. Usually when a fledgling terror cell is broken up, there’s something in the details you can cling to if you want to pretend that things weren’t as dangerous as they seemed. Either the FBI caught the plotters early, maybe even before they’d bought weapons, or the cell had little money with which to operate or the plotters’ commitment to following through seemed uncertain, half real and half fantasy.

None of that applies here. If the allegations are true, you’ve got a group with military training, ample financial means, and enough drive to see this through that they’ve already killed two, and possibly as many as four, people. The ringleader sounds like a genuine psychopath. Oh — and apparently, the cops don’t know how many members are still out there.

Ace wants the death penalty for them, as do I. A waking nightmare:

Prosecutors in rural Long County, near the sprawling Army post Fort Stewart, said the militia group of active and former U.S. military members spent at least $87,000 buying guns and bomb components. They allege the group was serious enough to kill two people — former soldier Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York — by shooting them in the woods last December in order to keep its plans secret…

Pauley said Aguigui funded the militia using $500,000 in insurance and benefit payments from the death of his pregnant wife a year ago. Aguigui was not charged in his wife’s death, but Pauley told the judge her death was “highly suspicious.”

In a videotaped interview with military investigators, Pauley said, Aguigui called himself “the nicest cold-blooded murderer you will ever meet.” He used the Army to recruit militia members, who wore distinctive tattoos that resemble an anarchy symbol, she said. Prosecutors say they have no idea how many members belong to the group…

The prosecutor said the militia group had big plans. It plotted to take over Fort Stewart by seizing its ammunition control point and talked of bombing the Forsyth Park fountain in nearby Savannah, she said. In Washington state, she added, the group plotted to bomb a dam and poison the state’s apple crop. Ultimately, prosecutors said, the militia’s goal was to overthrow the government and assassinate the president.

One strange, fascinating detail to this horror show: Aguigui, who allegedly founded and led the militia and supposedly ordered the killings of Roark and his girlfriend, is a 19-year-old private. One of his henchmen is a 25-year-old sergeant. I don’t pretend to understand the psychological dynamics of terror cells but it strikes me as unusual that a soldier of low rank would be able to convince a superior to not only join his gang but to obey his orders, even to the point of murder. The bit in the excerpt about Aguigui using the Army to recruit members is ominous too. Did he join the Army in earnest and then come up with the idea for the militia or did he join the Army in the first place only so that he could recruit people for his true passion? If the latter, that’s a remarkable degree of cunning in service to a remarkably evil end for someone so young. And the fact that he was able to pull it off makes it only that much more amazing. What exactly are we dealing with here?

Exit question: Did I misunderstand something in the story or are the feds basically not involved? It sounds like it’s all being handled by Georgia authorities, with information being shared with the DOJ. Did the FBI miss this plot somehow? If so, it’s an awfully big one to miss.


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Wait for it… RIGHT WING anarchists, to be reported any minute by MSNBC, NYT, et al.

somewhatconcerned on August 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Some were active-duty soldiers and former military.

A vast right- and white-wing conspiracy! Where is Janie Nappy when we need her? /snark

Liam on August 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Countdown to tea-party accusations in 3…2…1…

Defenestratus on August 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Wait for it… RIGHT WING anarchists, to be reported any minute by MSNBC, NYT, et al.

somewhatconcerned on August 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM

I was about to say, I’ve already seen people saying that. Because they wanted to assassinate the President, it’s the GOP’s fault for stirring up hate or something. Forget the fact these are anarchists, of course.

changer1701 on August 27, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Look for Korans lying around.

SouthernGent on August 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I admit, I still don’t know what an anarchist is and what they believe. Do anarchists even know?

Mark1971 on August 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Gawker has an article that says the leader was a page at the 2008 GOP Convention.
http://gawker.com/5938288/leader-of-army-plot-to-assassinate-obama-apparently-attended-the-2008-republican-convention-as-a-page

GW_SS-Delta on August 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Did he join the Army in earnest and then come up with the idea for the militia or did he join the Army in the first place only so that he could recruit people for his true passion?

Militia groups have for a long time encouraged their members to join the military as a means to access training and other recruits.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

The Feds are not pursuing charges because bringing a treason charge that might not meet the standard for conviction would undermine the severely taboo nature of even pondering engaging in the activity.

Dead is dead.

harlekwin15 on August 27, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Hang ‘em high.

EarthToZoey on August 27, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Wait for it… RIGHT WING anarchists, to be reported any minute by MSNBC, NYT, et al.
somewhatconcerned on August 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM

The first comment posted on Yahoo’s report(Ace’s source) was saying that very thing. The left are monsters.

jawkneemusic on August 27, 2012 at 9:50 PM

If the latter, that’s a remarkable degree of cunning in service to a remarkably evil end for someone so young.

There has to be some backstory. Either the kids father, or his uncle, or a guy whom he looks up to has a history with this group and molding/managing the kid.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 9:50 PM

it strikes me as unusual that a soldier of low rank would be able to convince a superior to not only join his gang but to obey his orders, even to the point of murder.

Psychopaths intentionally choose vulnerable, severely depressed people they can control and manipulate i.e. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Aguigui, the psychopath, probably found it easy to manipulate the senior officer.

JamesSeanMcKeane on August 27, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Scary.

Exit question: Did I misunderstand something in the story or are the feds basically not involved? It sounds like it’s all being handled by Georgia authorities, with information being shared with the DOJ. Did the FBI miss this plot somehow? If so, it’s an awfully big one to miss.

I’m guessing the Feds are interested now.

Bitter Clinger on August 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

It plotted to take over Fort Stewart by seizing its ammunition control point and talked of bombing the Forsyth Park fountain in nearby Savannah, she said.

That’s terrible. That is a beautiful fountain, heavily trafficked and a centerpiece of Savannah, GA.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

I admit, I still don’t know what an anarchist is and what they believe. Do anarchists even know?

Mark1971 on August 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Anarchists believe there should be no government. Which mirrors the ultimate goal of Marx.

That’s why there are no anarchists among Conservatives, but anarchists were prominent among OWS and are now protesting the Republican convention–dressed as vaginas.

Liam on August 27, 2012 at 9:52 PM

I admit, I still don’t know what an anarchist is and what they believe. Do anarchists even know?

Mark1971 on August 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Anarchists believe there should be no government. Which mirrors the ultimate goal of Marx.

That’s why there are no anarchists among Conservatives, but anarchists were prominent among OWS and are now protesting the Republican convention–dressed as vajayjays.

Liam on August 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I don’t pretend to understand the psychological dynamics of terror cells but it strikes me as unusual that a soldier of low rank would be able to convince a superior to not only join his gang but to obey his orders, even to the point of murder.

that is quite a curious factoid.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Exit question: Did I misunderstand something in the story or are the feds basically not involved? It sounds like it’s all being handled by Georgia authorities, with information being shared with the DOJ. Did the FBI miss this plot somehow? If so, it’s an awfully big one to miss.

If there is legitimacy behind this group. That is, if they could have actually taken over Ft. Stewart or destroyed the apple crop in Washington State the feds would be involved. From what I read this is a gang with grand ideas that killed a couple of people but were never really a threat to the nation.

Where is the need for federal involvement? Do we really think that a group could take over an Army base? And what would they do with it when they got it? Seriously, big plans is not the same as legitimate threat. This is not the same thing as the terrorist cell that was operating a pizza restaurant outside FT Dix.

I’ll contrast the above with a story from one place I worked (a federal facility). A co-worker was a sub-standard employee and disciplined as such. Her husband (also working in the facility) took offense and was stupid enough to enumerate a “kill list” in his correspondence. The feds were on it in a heartbeat and made an example of the man.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Militia groups have for a long time encouraged their members to join the military as a means to access training and other recruits.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

The same with street gangs. As a matter of fact, gang graffiti has been photographed in Iraq.

Liam on August 27, 2012 at 9:55 PM

One strange, fascinating detail to this horror show: Aguigui, who allegedly founded and led the militia and supposedly ordered the killings of Roark and his girlfriend, is a 19-year-old private. One of his henchmen is a 25-year-old sergeant. I don’t pretend to understand the psychological dynamics of terror cells but it strikes me as unusual that a soldier of low rank would be able to convince a superior to not only join his gang but to obey his orders, even to the point of murder.

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Either there are delusions of grandeur at work or we need to wait for … the rest of the story.

The current suspects don’t seem particulary cunning if their idea of covering their tracks was the execution style murder of two people who had ANY association with them.

PolAgnostic on August 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Anarchist = Left wing = Obama

faraway on August 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Those Gawd Damned TEA BAGGER PARTYERS!

the new aesthetic on August 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

“All members of the group were on active-duty or were former members of the military,” Pauley said. “He targeted soldiers who were in trouble or disillusioned.

Read more: http://newsok.com/prosecutor-ga.-murder-case-uncovers-terror-plot/article/feed/424754#ixzz24nmI6crI

that’s quite concerning. Particularly, at Ft Stewart—home of the 3rd Infantry Division. A highly mobile, and frequently deployed over the last 10 years. Scratch that, they have been nearly perpetually deployed over the last decade, 1 brigade combat team at a time, if not the entire division.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I admit, I still don’t know what an anarchist is and what they believe. Do anarchists even know?

Mark1971 on August 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

ANARCHY11ELEVENTY11!!!

catmman on August 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

The same with street gangs. As a matter of fact, gang graffiti has been photographed in Iraq.
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Liam on August 27, 2012 at 9:55 PM

yep, good point. Terror cells, drug dealers, gang bangers are all cut from the same cloth. Pull in disaffected youth and do bad things. Not surprised that there was graffiti in Iraq. You can take the gang banger out of the hood but not take the hood out of the gang banger.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Did the SPLC miss this one..?

d1carter on August 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM

The ultimate goal of these men was the destruction of Medicare. Just like Mitt Romney.

You know it’s true.

Curtiss on August 27, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Gawker has an article that says the leader was a page at the 2008 GOP Convention.
http://gawker.com/5938288/leader-of-army-plot-to-assassinate-obama-apparently-attended-the-2008-republican-convention-as-a-page

GW_SS-Delta on August 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Ouch. If that’s legit, the major news channels will be all over the story tomorrow morning. That’s way more of a direct connection than most of these cases.

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Prosecutors in rural Long County, near the sprawling Army post Fort Stewart, said the militia group of active and former U.S. military members spent at least $87,000 buying guns and bomb components. They allege the group was serious enough to kill two people — former soldier Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York — by shooting them in the woods last December in order to keep its plans secret…
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Um ya,they have no qualms about killing!!

canopfor on August 27, 2012 at 10:05 PM

And the MSM yawns in outrage.

NickDeringer on August 27, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Throw the book.

Philly on August 27, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Aguigui, who allegedly founded and led the militia and supposedly ordered the killings of Roark and his girlfriend, is a 19-year-old private. One of his henchmen is a 25-year-old sergeant.

apparently before becoming a psychopath terrorist leader, lad was a trying to make a career as a techno dj. weird.

sesquipedalian on August 27, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Long County, GA is country….and I mean country country.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 10:08 PM

…the more people resisting government – even with chains and pipes – the better.
 
ernesto on June 1, 2010 at 2:30 PM

 
So you’re an anarchist, Ernesto?
 
percival on June 1, 2010 at 3:35 PM

 

Having studied the philosophical underpinnings of private property and social contract theory in general, I was left with few other options.
 
ernesto on June 1, 2010 at 3:43 PM

rogerb on August 27, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Militia groups have for a long time encouraged their members to join the military as a means to access training and other recruits.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

The same with street gangs. As a matter of fact, gang graffiti has been photographed in Iraq.

Liam on August 27, 2012 at 9:55 PM

~~~~~

I would never disparage the military as a whole, I am married to a 23 year veteran and loved the life…but there were plenty of, hmmm, questionable people in the military when my husband was in, and he had to deal with many of them…lots of fallout, he even had one guy arrested for murder (had to visit him in prison, whi h was extremely sobering)…sadly, no group is immune to a dirtbag, criminal element.

ellifint on August 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I admit, I still don’t know what an anarchist is and what they believe. Do anarchists even know?

Mark1971 on August 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM

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An anarchist is someone who believes in using anarchy to accomplish their desired end result.

Anarchy is “anything goes”, like in a combat zone.

listens2glenn on August 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

anarchist terror cell

If you read the article it sounds more like a gang.

faraway on August 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

The ultimate goal of these men was the destruction of Medicare. Just like Mitt Romney.

You know it’s true.

Curtiss on August 27, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Hitler invaded Poland along the same lines. I hate to say I have no faith that the DHS will not use this opportunity to impose some sort of martial law that precludes elections in November should that be necessary.

That this is not an overly outlandish concept is truly what is wrong with our current government.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

rogerb on August 27, 2012 at 10:08 PM

.
WOW . . . . . . . . . just wow.

listens2glenn on August 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

GW_SS-Delta on August 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Ouch. If that’s legit, the major news channels will be all over the story tomorrow morning. That’s way more of a direct connection than most of these cases.

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 10:03 PM

AngusMC:Too Late!!
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Revealed: Militia leader soldier who ‘killed comrade because he left anarchist group’ was page at 2008 Republican convention

Isaac Aguigui was pictured working at GOP event in St Louis, Missouri

PUBLISHED: 00:02 GMT, 28 August 2012
UPDATED: 00:02 GMT, 28 August 2012
***********************************

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2194514/Militia-leader-Isaac-Aguigui-page-2008-Republican-convention.html

canopfor on August 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Gawker has an article that says the leader was a page at the 2008 GOP Convention.
http://gawker.com/5938288/leader-of-army-plot-to-assassinate-obama-apparently-attended-the-2008-republican-convention-as-a-page

GW_SS-Delta on August 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Ouch. If that’s legit, the major news channels will be all over the story tomorrow morning. That’s way more of a direct connection than most of these cases.

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 10:03 PM

What’s more pathetic: Gawker, someone who takes Gawker seriously, or someone seriously echoing someone who takes Gawker seriously?

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

I would never disparage the military as a whole, I am married to a 23 year veteran and loved the life…but there were plenty of, hmmm, questionable people in the military when my husband was in, and he had to deal with many of them…lots of fallout, he even had one guy arrested for murder (had to visit him in prison, whi h was extremely sobering)…sadly, no group is immune to a dirtbag, criminal element.

ellifint on August 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

yep, by and large the military is loaded with brave, patriotic and hard working Americans. There are a few miscreants like this crew. The military is like the government in that it is merely a reflection of society as a whole. If the government or the military displays issues, those issues have their roots within society.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Anarchists and militia members? Sounds fishy.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I would think the Military Police would be interested if their was a threat to Fort Stewart and these clowns were active duty!

ConcealedKerry on August 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM

These weren’t plots, these were aspirations. The cell was four guys. If there had been more, the guy who turned in the others would have ratted them out to save his skin.

A fire team cannot defeat the 3rd Infantry Division.

Four men cannot carry enough explosives to blow a dam.

A quartet of dunces cannot poison an entire state’s apple crop.

Frankly, the idea of them overthrowing the government and bumping off the President–I note they weren’t picky on who that was, and liked the idea of attacking the office–were probably the two most realistic ideas on their list, and those were delusional, at best.

Bob Owens on August 27, 2012 at 10:17 PM

OT: DOH!!! Reince Preibus just said Joe Biden was the BEST surrogate that the RNC has–”we’d have given him passes and access and put him up in front of the microphone as often as we can”

HEH!!

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 10:17 PM

What’s more pathetic: Gawker, someone who takes Gawker seriously, or someone seriously echoing someone who takes Gawker seriously?

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Did you even look at the link? They’ve got the guy’s picture at the 2008 convention from Reuters.

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 10:18 PM

They are not “anarchists.” Hot Air basically just invented that up wholesale. They are militia, military, right wing thugs.

lostmotherland on August 27, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Aguigui, who allegedly founded and led the militia and supposedly ordered the killings of Roark and his girlfriend, is a 19-year-old private. One of his henchmen is a 25-year-old sergeant. I don’t pretend to understand the psychological dynamics of terror cells but it strikes me as unusual that a soldier of low rank would be able to convince a superior to not only join his gang but to obey his orders, even to the point of murder.

I’m not trying to be snarky here but it is utterly possible that a 19-year-old private could manipulate a 25-year-old with the need to fit in (which could be why he joined the Army in the first place). You write as if somebody of the lofty height of sergeant is immune or doesn’t interact with the privates. During my military career, I saw much more dramatic examples of people being dragged down by manipulative service people.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Did you even look at the link? They’ve got the guy’s picture at the 2008 convention from Reuters.

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 10:18 PM

And National Enquirer has pictures of BigFoot, too.

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Bob Owens on August 27, 2012 at 10:17 PM

you’re right. Delusions of grandeur.
These punks offed a few of their “friends” because they were amateur enough to leak their plans beyond Beavis and Butthead. Their plans were obviously pretty poor if they had to kill friends to cover their tracks and time was not on their side. Army investigators are going to be all over this as murder, conspiracy and a few other charges. Maybe that’s why the feds aren’t involved? Long County and Army JAG probably has a handle on it at the current time.

but, what do i know?

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM

“He used the Army to recruit militia members, who wore distinctive tattoos that resemble an anarchy symbol, she said.”

Accurately quoting an article is making something up out of whole cloth?

Gordon Winslow on August 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Yes, anarchists work as pages at the GOP convention. Right. Let’s see. If he was a page at the Democratic Party convention would you be so quick to disavow a connection. Methinks not.

lostmotherland on August 27, 2012 at 10:22 PM

They are not “anarchists.” Hot Air basically just invented that up wholesale. They are militia, military, right wing thugs.

lostmotherland on August 27, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Um… no. They are a wannabe gang. To call a bunch of idiots a militia, military, right wing thugs is absurd. They wanted to take over Ft. Stewart and destroy WA state’s apple crop. These are not the goals of a legitimate “right wing militia.” Go back and read the coverage of the Okalahoma City Bombing if you want to see some legitimate discussion of right wing militias. But stop being such an ass.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I don’t get the lack of Federal involvement. You would think they would be all over this.

wolly4321 on August 27, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Ok, fair point Gordon. AP makes some vague reference to a tattoo that looks sort-of-maybe-kind-of like an “anarchy symbol” and suddenly these are “anarchists” . . . who worked at the GOP convention, are active duty military, in a militia, and wanted to assassinate Obama? Um, OK. If you say so AP.

lostmotherland on August 27, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Step One: Poison some apples.

Step Two: Anarchy!

Step Three: ?????

Sorry, but I’m just not seeing the “military precision” part of this plan.

logis on August 27, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Did you even look at the link? They’ve got the guy’s picture at the 2008 convention from Reuters.

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 10:18 PM

The photo on Gawker means nothing. Nidal Hasan wormed his way into the military and shot up Fort Hood. Does that make the military an accessory to murder in that case? No. Does this idiot possibly having been a page at the 2008 GOP convention make the GOP accessories to this militia’s actions? No.

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I would think the Military Police would be interested if their was a threat to Fort Stewart and these clowns were active duty!

ConcealedKerry on August 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM

More the portfolio of the Army Criminal Investigative Service. But these idiots were never really a threat.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I don’t get the lack of Federal involvement. You would think they would be all over this.

wolly4321 on August 27, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Again the force has no incentive to pursue charges that may not be seen through because of the lack of credibility of threat.

Treason is the most taboo thing a soldier can do, and you don’t want a non-conviction if you bring charges not on solid ground.

Georgia kills murderers just fine.

harlekwin15 on August 27, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Anarchists have far more in common with the extreme left than the right.

I would never disparage the military as a whole, I am married to a 23 year veteran and loved the life…but there were plenty of, hmmm, questionable people in the military when my husband was in, and he had to deal with many of them…lots of fallout, he even had one guy arrested for murder (had to visit him in prison, whi h was extremely sobering)…sadly, no group is immune to a dirtbag, criminal element.

ellifint on August 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Given society, the Military is a cross section of that society. It contains the same elements just to varying degrees and numbers. It is much less so without the draft, but the elements are still there. No, the Military is, by no means, immune to the same criminal elements that exist in society.

98ZJUSMC on August 27, 2012 at 10:27 PM

I don’t get the lack of Federal involvement. You would think they would be all over this.

wolly4321 on August 27, 2012 at 10:23 PM

And I think with that, even if these guys do turn out to be ‘right-wing militia’ that the Fed’s lack of involvement will somewhat negate any guilt-by-association propaganda by the Obama administration ala Clinton with the OKC bombing.

Corporal Tunnel on August 27, 2012 at 10:27 PM

I don’t get the lack of Federal involvement. You would think they would be all over this.

wolly4321 on August 27, 2012 at 10:23 PM

that is curious. I wonder if Army JAG has asked them to hold off for the time being since, at the current time, they have a murder with a soldier as a suspect. They also have the bomb plots which would be a terror charge, but does the FBI want to squash the hell out of a murder investigation by chasing a delusional red herring?? Not sure, but I think that Army JAG and Long County authorities may need some time to unravel the murder followed by insurance payout??? But then, that’s insurance fraud and a federal issue as well. I guess it should seem as if the FBI would be involved early in this. Maybe the article just failed to report it…. dunno.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 10:29 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2194514/Militia-leader-Isaac-Aguigui-page-2008-Republican-convention.html

canopfor on August 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

uh oh

John the Libertarian on August 27, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Yawn. Here comes the next distraction..

wargamer6 on August 27, 2012 at 10:31 PM

GW_SS-Delta on August 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Assuming this was true, let me lay this out.

A kid is photographed at the last GOP convention before the Obama machine takes control of Washington.

Said kid then enters the army(a government agency) in an unprecedented move to recruit for a “militia” that commits murder and conspiracy to commit terrorism, including the killing of Obama.

…and is caught just a couple of months before the election.

Hm.

MadisonConservative on August 27, 2012 at 10:32 PM

GW_SS-Delta on August 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 10:03 PM

One clue to Gawker’s leanings: click on the Top Stories link and see the first thing that comes up.

‘Neil Armstrong – LYING PIECE OF MASON SH*T: Good RIDDANCE’: Moon Truthers Mourn a Legend”

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 10:32 PM

ANARCHY11ELEVENTY11!!!

catmman on August 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Anarchy? Isn’t that the capital of Turkey?

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Benedict Nelson on August 27, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I see your point, Harleqwin. Makes sense, I’m just surprised nappyhoe at dhs isn’t making hay out of it. Why aren’t they?

wolly4321 on August 27, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Does this idiot possibly having been a page at the 2008 GOP convention make the GOP accessories to this militia’s actions? No.

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Tell that to the media. Enjoy the urine stench after they finish pissing themselves laughing at you. Anything related to the GOP that is bad is the fault of the GOP. Anything related to Obama that is bad is the feverish hallucinations of the GOP’s racism.

MadisonConservative on August 27, 2012 at 10:34 PM

i know the conspiracy theorist in madcon is coming out.

Hey, wasn’t that Michigan group caught in 2010…..just before an election??

it was Mar 2010–however, there are dossiers of all these punks/groups etc., and the fed can drop the hammer any time on them. Wait a sec, what if the fed directed Army JAG or Long County to bring these guys in????

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Tell that to the media. Enjoy the urine stench after they finish pissing themselves laughing at you. Anything related to the GOP that is bad is the fault of the GOP. Anything related to Obama that is bad is the feverish hallucinations of the GOP’s racism.

MadisonConservative on August 27, 2012 at 10:34 PM

You’re preaching to the choir, while the choir is preaching to a concern troll.

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 10:37 PM

uh oh

John the Libertarian

If the story is true and he was at the ’08 convention then we still don’t know why he was there. Just as he was in the military to pick up military training he could have been in politics to pick up on how things are done. Or he could have been there as an inside source for other anarchists who were protesting that convention. If they were willing to sign up to serve time in the armed forces then they certainly would have been willing to get a job as a page.

Benaiah on August 27, 2012 at 10:38 PM

An anarchist is someone who believes in using anarchy to accomplish their desired end result.

Anarchy is “anything goes”, like in a combat zone.

listens2glenn on August 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Yeah…what “end result” can be achieved by anarchy, which is the absence of control? Only one — chaos.

Limerick or Hawk or Bradky … is the firing squad still the chosen death penalty of the military? Or is this not a military case at all?

Jaibones on August 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Tell that to the media. Enjoy the urine stench after they finish pissing themselves laughing at you. Anything related to the GOP that is bad is the fault of the GOP. Anything related to Obama that is bad is the feverish hallucinations of the GOP’s racism.

MadisonConservative on August 27, 2012 at 10:34 PM

This news wasn’t released by the Feds, though, so that they aren’t using the FBI’s megaphone will keep the innuendo and guilt-by-association non-sequiturs at a minimum. If the Fed isn’t involved, the Administration didn’t have any way to coordinate breaking this story with the lapdog alphabet networks and the NY Times, etc.

Yes, Chrissy Matthews will whine about it, but hardly anyone watches MSNBC, anyway.

Hopefully this is just a local issue.

I may be wrong, but we’ll see.

Corporal Tunnel on August 27, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Gawker has an article that says the leader was a page at the 2008 GOP Convention.
http://gawker.com/5938288/leader-of-army-plot-to-assassinate-obama-apparently-attended-the-2008-republican-convention-as-a-page

[GW_SS-Delta on August 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM]

Damn, another one of those “I used to be a Republican” stories. /

Dusty on August 27, 2012 at 10:42 PM

canopfor on August 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

uh oh

John the Libertarian on August 27, 2012 at 10:30 PM

John the Libertarian:

Um,ya,a picture of him,at the 2008 Convention!:)

canopfor on August 27, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Limerick or Hawk or Bradky … is the firing squad still the chosen death penalty of the military? Or is this not a military case at all?

Jaibones on August 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM

the death penalty is still a sentence that can be meted out by a court martial, however, since the crime of murder occurred in Long County, I presume, they have jurisdiction over that charge. The crimes of plotting against a federal facility and threatening the president are certainly bad charges, but not ones where capital punishment would be handed down. Capital punishment is a very unlikely outcome from military trials, even in ones involving murder.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 10:44 PM

After multiple long memos on right wing threats from military napolitano says nothing?

I don’t think so. She doesn’t have that kind of self control. They would use this in a heartbeat it they could.
Standing question is,,,,

Why can’t they?? Hmmm?

wolly4321 on August 27, 2012 at 10:44 PM

The city never sleeps tonight.

GW_SS-Delta on August 27, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Exit question: Did I misunderstand something in the story or are the feds basically not involved? It sounds like it’s all being handled by Georgia authorities, with information being shared with the DOJ. Did the FBI miss this plot somehow?
=====================================

Could be,the ATF???????????

ATF investigates Long Co. murder suspects for weapon trafficking
Posted: Dec 15, 2011 6:02 PM EST
Updated: Jan 01, 2012 10:17 PM EST
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From L to R: Anthony Peden, Christopher Salmon, Isaac Aguigui, Michael Burnett (Source: Liberty County Jail) From L to R: Anthony Peden, Christopher Salmon, Isaac Aguigui, Michael Burnett (Source: Liberty County Jail)
LONG CO., GA (WTOC) -

Four Fort Stewart soldiers were in court earlier this week. They’re charged with the slayings of 120-year-old Michael Roark, a former soldier at Fort Stewart, and his 17-year-old girlfriend Tiffany York.

Pvt. Christopher Salmon and Sgt. Anthony Peden both face malice murder charges. Pvt. Isaac Aguigui and Pfc. Michael Burnett are charged with being a party to murder.

Pvt. Christopher Salmon and Sgt. Anthony Peden both face malice murder charges. Pvt. Isaac Aguigui and Pfc. Michael Burnett are charged with being a party to murder.

According to information provided by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the four soldiers charged in that case are being investigated on weapons trafficking charges.

The Atlanta ATF’s public information officer Richard Coes said the double homicide investigation caught the bureau’s attention, prompting the ATF to get involved in the investigation.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation obtained a warrant and conducted a search Tuesday morning at a house on Cordele Circle in Hinesville’s Griffin Park subdivision.

Coes said one firearm was recovered from the Cordele Circle house during the search warrant. Eight were recovered during a previous consent search of the home, according to investigators.

Coes could not provide information on the types of weapon removed from the home or how agents zeroed in on the residence.

He would not elaborate on the investigation, but did say the ATF has reason to believe the men might have been purchasing large amounts of weapons.

Coes said the men arrested in last week’s double homicide are alleged to have been involved in one capacity or another in the operation.

No charges have been filed in the weapons case.

“We are currently investigating the four individuals for possible federal firearms violations but have no reason to suspect them of selling guns out of state or to other individuals,” Coes said.

The suspects are being held without bond at the Liberty County Regional Jail.
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http://www.wtoc.com/story/16333983/long-co-murder-suspects-investigated-for-weapon-trafficking?clienttype=printable

canopfor on August 27, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Ted C- how would a County have higher jurisdiction over active duty military? Bad plot or not, they wanted to attack a Federal facility, not a county one.

I’m not arguing, I’m honestly lost on this point.

wolly4321 on August 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Burnett testified that on the night of Dec. 4, he and the three other soldiers lured Roark and York to some woods a short distance from the Army post under the guise that they were going target shooting.

The story doesn’t say when they found the bodies and when the investigation starting looking at this group as likely suspects.

But isn’t it a little odd that this story, with someone who they say worked as a page at the 2008 GOP convention, is coming out on the eve of the 2012 convention?

journeyintothewhirlwind on August 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Anarchist = Left wing = Obama

faraway on August 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I see. So this whole thing was actually a suicide attempt by Obama? The things an ODS sufferer’s brain can produce are baffling.

Or was there too much fluoride in the water today?

lester on August 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM

An anarchist is someone who believes in using anarchy to accomplish their desired end result.

Anarchy is “anything goes”, like in a combat zone.

listens2glenn on August 27, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Actually, that’s not true. They believe that the fabric of modern societies separates peoples and creates artificial divisions, and that if these obstacles are removed that people will live in a better state of harmony. It’s similar to Communism, but Communists believe in a ruling power elite needed to oversee the transition from capitalism to socialism, and socialism to communism. Anarchists don’t believe in any ruling class whatsoever.

I suppose some do indeed believe in violence as a means to an end, but it seems that there are those in every political group who think that. Also, it does matter if they act violently or just think about it. Hopefully, merely thinking about doing something doesn’t nowadays constitute “thought crime” punishable by prison time.

As a side note, I just happened to notice last week that a judge released the Hutaree Militia members for lack of evidence. Odd that the PTB will willingly buy into the reports of an informant of a militia group, but will be hesitant to act upon the information provided by an informant in a left wing terrorist organization like the Weathermen.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM

You’re preaching to the choir, while the choir is preaching to a concern troll.

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 10:37 PM

The next logical question is, then, why are you trolling? You are the one spinning off strange theories that the photo in 2008 is not him, instead some body double with the same name or something…

I never said the GOP was in any way shape or form responsible for this crazy guy. All I said was that the MSM would pick it up and run with it all day tomorrow to drown out the first day of the convention.

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM

The next logical question is, then, why are you trolling? You are the one spinning off strange theories that the photo in 2008 is not him, instead some body double with the same name or something…

I never said the GOP was in any way shape or form responsible for this crazy guy. All I said was that the MSM would pick it up and run with it all day tomorrow to drown out the first day of the convention.

AngusMc on August 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Where did I say it was body double?? You’re the one concocting theories. Your first posting on this thread was gleeful with anticipation of the GOP being tied to this militia because the guy showed up dressed as a page at the 2008 convention.

If that’s legit, the major news channels will be all over the story tomorrow morning. That’s way more of a direct connection than most of these cases.

It’s Gawker. Whether the photo is real or doctored is immaterial: that it’s on Gawker is enough to discredit it.

AubieJon on August 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Ted C- how would a County have higher jurisdiction over active duty military? Bad plot or not, they wanted to attack a Federal facility, not a county one.

I’m not arguing, I’m honestly lost on this point.

wolly4321 on August 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

I’m thinking within the context of the charges. The murder happened in the county—off Ft Stewart, thus the county has jurisdiction and the military cedes control over the case to them. The plot to attack a federal installation (different charge and jurisdiction, terrorism and federal) may be seen by parties involved (Long County prosecutors and Army JAG) as something to be dealt with at a later time (?). When there are multiple charges and multiple jurisdictions it creates a mess I think when it comes to what charge is dealt with, by whom and when.
2 cent and I am all outta legal knowledge.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 11:24 PM

WOW . . . . . . . . . just wow.

listens2glenn on August 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Eloquent, just eloquent. Dick.

JackieB on August 27, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Good grief, this is scary.

Cindy Munford on August 27, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Anything related to the GOP that is bad is the fault of the GOP. Anything related to Obama that is bad is the feverish hallucinations of the GOP’s racism.

MadisonConservative on August 27, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Drink much? Think much? Don’t be a dick much?

JackieB on August 28, 2012 at 12:05 AM

The two murders occurred last December. These shitbirds have been in custody since one week after the murder. Apparently the GBI and local authorities were able to put the case together almost immediately.

My guess is that Burnett was offered a deal in exchange for his testimony and when it was all sorted out, it made more sense to prosecute for the murder in State court (Georgia IS a capital punishment state. The Militia angle certainly added some sex appeal to the case, but in the end, it is the murder case that carries the biggest hammer.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-washington-state-soldier-slain-days-after-his-discharge-from-army-20111214,0,3603598.story

CalFed on August 28, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Seems to me these people were a bunch of young punks with visions of grandeur. Not a legitimate threat to the country.

Yawwwn.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 28, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Militia groups have for a long time encouraged their members to join the military as a means to access training and other recruits.

ted c on August 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Not just militias. Inner-city gangs have been doing this for years.

Solaratov on August 28, 2012 at 12:20 AM

The two murders occurred last December. These shitbirds have been in custody since one week after the murder. Apparently the GBI and local authorities were able to put the case together almost immediately.

My guess is that Burnett was offered a deal in exchange for his testimony and when it was all sorted out, it made more sense to prosecute for the murder in State court (Georgia IS a capital punishment state. The Militia angle certainly added some sex appeal to the case, but in the end, it is the murder case that carries the biggest hammer.

CalFed on August 28, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Plus, the murder was the only crime they actually COMMITTED.

As for the apple-poisoning and President assassinating, etc., etc., etc…. Just TALKING about stuff like that may violate some military codes, but it’s not much of a crime unless they actually take some coherent steps toward enacting their “goals,” if that word can even be applied to any of this.

logis on August 28, 2012 at 12:31 AM

I’m still trying to wrap my head around this. But when I read a plan to seize the ammo point with a total of four guys I cant help but think thats a plan only a private could think up, especially when Stewart is home to multiple BCTs and 3rd ID. What, were they going to hold off a whole division? Their MOS is 19 series which is armor. Apparently 3 were cav scouts and 1 was commo. None of the training they got at OSUT will teach any high speed skills to do what they wanted to do. Nor did the high speed E-5 get any since PLDC teaches you to be a leader and nothing else (which he clearly failed since he was taking orders from a PV1 or PV2). And how exactly were they going to poison the apple crop? With 1,000,000 gallons of Roundup? Do you know how hard it is to kill a fully grown tree with poison, and how much it takes? A more effective way is to girdle the tree through the inner cambium layer with a chainsaw, but that’s hardly inconspicuous or silent. What would poisoning the apple crop do exactly? Bring the population to its knees? It sounds more like a stupid high school prank. The more I think about this whole thing the more I think they are a bunch of idiots who let their little game get out of control. Once they committed murder than they had no choice but to keep it up. Sounds less like anarchists and more like a bunch of whiny privates complaining about the fact that they’re nothing but privates.

Logboy on August 28, 2012 at 12:59 AM

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