Romney rule change fight on convention floor?

posted at 5:01 pm on August 26, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Zeke Miller is reporting that a set of changes to the convention rules pushed through by Mitt Romney’s team is raising a few hackles among the delegates and could potentially lead to a squabble on the convention floor. The modifications in question deal – among other things – with the method used to select and approve the individual delegates from each state.

Frustration over changes to the Republican Party’s rules pushed through by the Romney Campaign on Friday may lead to a fight on the floor of the Republican National Convention on Monday.

The Convention Committee on Rules took a number of steps on Friday to weaken the power of state conventions and state parties, while consolidating the power of presidential candidates in the nominating process. Some of the changes — to require that delegations from statewide caucuses and primaries to the convention adhere to the will of voters — weakened the hand of insurgent-type candidates but have been well received by the committee. But a change allowing presidential candidates the right to vet their own delegates to the national convention has many state party officials up in arms — and they are planning to bring it to the convention floor.

It’s tempting, and probably valid, to not read too terribly much into this. The main reason is that they can, and do, change the rules every four years, so nothing is ever really written in stone. It’s also somewhat understandable that the candidate – any candidate – would want to control events as much as possible and keep things flowing smoothly. By the time we get to this stage of the proceedings in an election cycle in the modern era, the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Who wants a bunch of infighting at this late date? Some of the changes could also be seen as a way to tamp down any last minute theatrics from sour grapes primary contenders.

But the idea of allowing the nominee to “vet” the delegates from each state party and essentially hand pick the most compliant is certainly disturbing. In the end, the convention is not the show for the candidate to run, but rather the time for the individual state parties to officially anoint the winner. And if they have comments to include or issues to debate, that’s their right.

We do want the process to be a time of celebration and a chance for the candidate to launch a broad introduction of themselves to the voting public. With that in mind, it’s a net positive to avoid turning it into a circular firing squad. But the process shouldn’t be so burdensome and heavy handed that it turns the entire proceeding into a complete beauty pageant. Or at least that’s how I see it.


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may lead to a fight on the floor of the Republican National Convention on Monday.

Who is going to be involved in this fight?

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:06 PM

I think between now and November federalist conservatives are going to have one heartbreak after another. *Pops popcorn*

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Paulbots and ABRs hardest hit.

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Who is going to be involved in this fight?

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:

a strange alliance between the Socons and the PaulNuts…

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I think between now and November federalist conservatives are going to have one heartbreak after another. *Pops popcorn*

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Yeah. right

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I think between now and November federalist conservatives are going to have one heartbreak after another. *Pops popcorn*

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Sure you are champ….too bad the only alternative you offer is evangelical watermelon AGW wacko envir fascism….

otherwise you’d be a viable alternative.

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:09 PM

a strange alliance between the Socons and the PaulNuts…

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Monday is an ‘off’ day if I read the latest releases right.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:10 PM

The band was just practicing inside the convention hall, maybe they can provide some music for the delegate floor fight.

stukinIL4now on August 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM

I think between now and November federalist conservatives are going to have one heartbreak after another. *Pops popcorn*

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

No one here cares what a brainless Obamabot thinks.

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM

But a change allowing presidential candidates the right to vet their own delegates to the national convention has many state party officials up in arms — and they are planning to bring it to the convention floor.

Mitt Romney’s legal advisor, Ben Ginsburg, is behind this. It is a bad, bad thing. Shane Hart tells why:

These are essentially the people who write the platform. Think about the implications of this: If the nominee is anti-life, he or she, can essential disavow any pro-life delegate. If he is in favor of same-sex marriage, he can disavow those delegates. This gives the nominee too much influence over the party and it diminishes the grassroots who choose the delegates to send. It is a top-down approach which favors the establishment.

If the GOP powers that be want to be gutted and go the way of Whigs, they can just try this.

What’s with people from New England? Once rebels against King George, now they lead the charge on acquiring control.

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM

The establishment is going to make suer the next in line RINO cruises to victory. Time for a third party of conservatives. The Pub. party is merely dem. lite. Just look at the Senate if you have any doubts. The Maine sisters, Brown, McCain, Cornyn, McConnell, Murkowski, Hatch, Graham, and others too numerous to mention.

they lie on August 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Given the bitterness and duration of this primary I think there may be reason for some concern that there might be attempts by some delegates to air grievances that do, in fact, have more to do with ‘sour grapes’, as Jazz so tactfully puts it, than with any substantive or constructive criticism.

Perhaps this is, indeed, the reason that the Romney campaign asked for, and received, these changes.

There’s virtually no point, or gain, in handing even the tiniest speck of ammunition to the Obama campaign which they might then use to blow out of all proportion and twist out of recognition in order to launch yet another baseless attack.

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM

This is clearly a response to the Paulbots hijacking of several states’ delegate contests, despite failing to win a single one of them.

Conventions aren’t where the sausage get made anymore. They are scrubbed TV infomercials for the candidate who won the primary contest. Few people even read the platform or spend a minute of time outside the prime time media coverage thinking about it.

As far as I’m concerned, national conventions could be scrapped and few people would even notice. The candidates could spend the substantial funds wasted on conventions on prime time TV programming about themselves and accomplish more in terms of garnering votes and getting them to the polls.

Caustic Conservative on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

There’s virtually no point, or gain, in handing even the tiniest speck of ammunition to the Obama campaign which they might then use to blow out of all proportion and twist out of recognition in order to launch yet another baseless attack.

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM

TrueCons don’t care about any of that. They just want to whine and moan.

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Yeah. right

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Oh hi there. You know, funny thing, you said something rather interesting the other day, but you never really responded when I inquired what you meant. Would you care to now? Here was the exchange:

So the lead-in to the convention is:

Romney putting a stranglehold on GOP primary process
Romney getting Ron Paul to sit down and shut up
Romney delivering same message to tea partiers.
Roomney reviving birtherism
Todd Akin.

Pretty sweet!

libfreeordie on August 25, 2012 at 5:31 PM

And then you posted this:

libfreeordie on August 25, 2012 at 5:31 PM

You likes you some chicken don’t ya boy?

Rio Linda Refugee on August 25, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Can you clarify what this post is meant to communicate? My post made no mention of chicken and I, for one, am unsure about your spelling of the word “likes.” Thanks for your help in clearing up this misunderstanding.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

*Pops popcorn*

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

…you going to see 2016 ?
…bring some skittles and your favorite flavor of kool-aid too!

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

If the GOP powers that be want to be gutted and go the way of Whigs, they can just try this.

What’s with people from New England? Once rebels against King George, now they lead the charge on acquiring control.

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM

The Media will cast any genuine fight in the platform wars as being a schism that will split us. This one time I support this action. Main reason why is Huck and Paul seem to think Mitt’s win entitles them to control the narrative.

“no”….

this business can wait focus on OGABE

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Can you clarify what this post is meant to communicate? My post made no mention of chicken and I, for one, am unsure about your spelling of the word “likes.” Thanks for your help in clearing up this misunderstanding.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Chicken, that which your ilk cannot refrain from engaging in detailed intimate carnal knowledge thereof.

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM

My Governor is opting out, hmmmm
http://www.sunjournal.com/news/maine/2012/08/24/gop-rejects-maine-delegates-lepage-won-t-attend-co/1241920

screwauger on August 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Hard to imagine why…I mean Snowe and Collins have both been stalwarts of the GOP cause for decades.

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Chicken, that which your ilk cannot refrain from engaging in detailed intimate carnal knowledge thereof.

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM

My ilk? Which ilk that I am a part of “cannot refrain from engaging in detailed intimate carnal knowledge” of chicken?

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

*blah* *blah* *whargarbll* *blarghh* *blah*

*Pops popcorn*

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Gosh. Be careful. Whatever you do — don’t choke on it.

FlatFoot on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

they lie on August 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Brown is the best we could hope for in MA …..

conservative tarheel on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

…you going to see 2016 ?
…bring some skittles and your favorite flavor of kool-aid too!

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Remind me. How did Farenheit 9/11 do in 2004? OK then.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Some of the changes could also be seen as a way to tamp down any last minute theatrics from sour grapes primary contenders.

*koff*ronpaul*koff*

kim roy on August 26, 2012 at 5:19 PM

There’s virtually no point, or gain, in handing even the tiniest speck of ammunition to the Obama campaign which they might then use to blow out of all proportion and twist out of recognition in order to launch yet another baseless attack.

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM

The present delegates are already chosen and there (or will be soon). As I understand it, these rules would direct the nominee in 2016. This is stacking the deck four years in advance.

It has nothing to do with Obama, except it’s going to cause a needless GOP debate he’ll use to his advantage.

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:19 PM

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I am surprised the RINO twins have not had the secret service at my door given my staunch and vocal objection to nearly every vote they’ve cast.

screwauger on August 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM

FlatFoot on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

LOL!

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ron-paul-romney-don-t-fully-endorse-him-132604061.html
Wasn’t Ron Paul supposed to be speaking?

bayview on August 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM

If the GOP powers that be want to be gutted and go the way of Whigs, they can just try this.

What’s with people from New England? Once rebels against King George, now they lead the charge on acquiring control.

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Really, who gives a cr*p what happens to the GOP after this election? Aren’t we wanting to clean it up and get rid of the morons, RINOs and corrupt.

Getting Romney in at this point is a means to an end – repealing Obamacare, giving us some breathing room and beginning the long and difficult process of cleaning up 40+ years of liberal BS.

kim roy on August 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:19 PM

“…the rules change every four years. They are not cast in concrete..”

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Chicken, that which your ilk cannot refrain from engaging in detailed intimate carnal knowledge thereof.

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM

My ilk? Which ilk that I am a part of “cannot refrain from engaging in detailed intimate carnal knowledge” of chicken?

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

I think

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I think this is designed to prevent a situation such as a Ron Paul insurgency where delegates are supposed to be committed to a certain candidate but do not vote that way. In other words, they arrive at the convention under a false flag.

crosspatch on August 26, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Oh hi there. You know, funny thing, you said something rather interesting the other day, but you never really responded when I inquired what you meant. Would you care to now?

…says turdforlife whose always running off and disappearing… when people ask you to explain what’s coming out of your mouth!…where do you go?… looking for toilet paper or something?

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Remind me. How did Farenheit 9/11 do in 2004? OK then.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Before or after it was completely debunked?

kim roy on August 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM

I think the whole, vetting delegates rule, is mainly an attempt to keep Ron Paul insurgent types from coming in and undoing the results of earlier primaries.

Here in Idaho there was an attempt by Ron Paul supporters to directly elect delegates that would vote for Paul, despite the fact that Romney won the state by an immense margin.

Sure, I can understand states bristling at heavy handedness. At the same time though, I think its reasonable for the nominee to expect delegates he won to actually vote for him, at least when there isn’t serious question as to who is going to get the nomination.

WolvenOne on August 26, 2012 at 5:28 PM

libfreeordie on August 25, 2012 at 5:31 PM

You likes you some chicken don’t ya boy?

Rio Linda Refugee on August 25, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Rio Linda, dear, are you still there? Where have you gone? Your post continues to baffle and confuse me. All I want to understand is what you mean by, what appears to be, this rhetorical question. It seems you’re asking me if I enjoy chicken. But what’s unclear is if you’re referring to the game of chicken, eating prepared versions of the land fowl or whether I enjoy being in the company of those with fear issues who we might label “chicken.” I always say always best to ask for clarification when responding to a vague missive. Thanks in advance!

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:28 PM

My ilk? Which ilk that I am a part of “cannot refrain from engaging in detailed intimate carnal knowledge” of chicken?

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Mindless Obamabots, hey I’ve been meaning to ask you….

“Barry why didn’t you close gitmo?

Barry why are we not out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the ME in general like you promised?

Barry why do you play FOIA thwarting games when you were ‘transparentest’?

Barry I’m a little confused about you repealing the PATRIOT ACT by resigning it……

Barry I thought if we gave you 700 billion walking around money you’d have UE3 down to 5.1% six months ago….

Barry what’s your plan for replacing the energy EPA illegally tries to wreck with activist regulatory fiat?”

“thanks BatFree”

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Remind me. How did Farenheit 9/11 do in 2004? OK then.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

…this ‘documentary’ just started showing turdbrain with the same MSM ignoring it as much as it trumpeted Baby Fat Boy’s film…keep your diaper on a while…you’ll fill it!

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Before or after it was completely debunked?

kim roy on August 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM

And no doubt this film will be debunked, it tends to be easy with propaganda films. Those who were inclined to believe it will say the deunking is itself bunk. People like me will probably buy into the debunking, the cycle will continue.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I am surprised the RINO twins have not had the secret service at my door given my staunch and vocal objection to nearly every vote they’ve cast.

screwauger on August 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I know, I also accept there are good Republicans in Cali.

We need to work hard to wean soft GOP states harder right.

Keep on plugging.

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I was mocking you you chicken phukin moron and you are to simple to realize it and just ignore me.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Mindless Obamabots, hey I’ve been meaning to ask you….

Obama supporters like chicken more than Romney supporters? What’s the basis for that assertion, was there a study done?

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I was mocking you you chicken phukin moron and you are to simple to realize it and just ignore me.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Mocking me? But on what basis? What is it about liking chicken that deserves ridicule. Has the conservative movement turned its back on one of the nation’s most commonly consumed meats? Eating chicken communicates something negative? Since when?

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

And no doubt this film will be debunked, it tends to be easy with propaganda films. Those who were inclined to believe it will say the deunking is itself bunk. People like me will probably buy into the debunking, the cycle will continue.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

No, I’m pretty sure that it will be commonly acknowledged that SCOAMF is an America hating communard once the newsies move on past Palace Guarding him. Demonizing Mitt will take center stage and they are hardly smart enough to run 2 propaganda campaigns at once.

harlekwin15 on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Wasn’t Ron Paul supposed to be speaking?

bayview on August 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Paul didn’t want to be part of the Romney collective…

Mr. Paul, in an interview, said convention planners had offered him an opportunity to speak under two conditions: that he deliver remarks vetted by the Romney campaign, and that he give a full-fledged endorsement of Mr. Romney. He declined.

“It wouldn’t be my speech,” Mr. Paul said. “That would undo everything I’ve done in the last 30 years. I don’t fully endorse him for president.”

That’s also the reason Palin declined to part of this charade….

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

“…the rules change every four years. They are not cast in concrete..”

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I realize this, but as I understand it they don’t usually change until the next convention.

This would mean rules can change any time over the next four years. Wiki says as of 2011, the Republican National Committee had 168 members. 3/4 of them could amend a rule anytime they wanted to do so.

Virginia delegate and RNC member Morton Blackwell strenuously objected to the proposed rule change, calling it “the most awful proposed amendments I’ve seen presented to this committee.”

“This is dangerous, it amounts to a power grab,” he said. “We are abandoning the historic process by which are rules are adopted.”

The Romney allies waited until Friday to propose the amendment, choosing to avoid giving the opposition time to organize by proposing it at the preliminary Rules meeting on Wednesday or during more than three years of RNC Rules Committee discussions.

South Carolina delegate Drew McKissick, who objected to the rule change, echoed Blackwell’s charge, warning that nearly any rule could now be amended by 3/4 of the Republican National Committee.

“It’s definitely a power grab by the campaign, the committee,” he said. “It’s bad juju. Once you let the genie out of the bottle they can do anything.”

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Before or after it was completely debunked?

kim roy on August 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM

And no doubt this film will be debunked, it tends to be easy with propaganda films. Those who were inclined to believe it will say the deunking is itself bunk. People like me will probably buy into the debunking, the cycle will continue.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

You keep thinking that. I doubt it will be as easy as reading back the voting records of congress. #FAIL.

kim roy on August 26, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Eating chicken communicates something negative? Since when?

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

…and this Chick-fil-A… teaches?

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM

But the process shouldn’t be so burdensome and heavy handed that it turns the entire proceeding into a complete beauty pageant. Or at least that’s how I see it.

That is exactly as I see it. The convention serves one and only one purpose. To make the nomination official and to provide the best start to his campaign. The time for infighting, backbiting, squabbling and other internecine bickering is long over. We have our man and job number one is doing all that we can to see that he wins.

MJBrutus on August 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM

That’s also the reason Palin declined to part of this charade….

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Excellent. Clearly Mitt knows what he is doing!

MJBrutus on August 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Caustic Conservative on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

No. The National Convention is where the Party gets to finalize and publish its platform — which is basically the plan of action for the Party over the next four years.

I think that the individual States should bring Delegates in proportion to the various candidate’s primary or caucus wins.

While it’s annoying to have a bunch of usurping Paulbots show up, their methods of having gotten there, and any consternation they might cause, certainly won’t win friends or influence enemies on the Convention floor, where they are a decided minority. Quite the opposite, I would imagine.

I would trust a platform written by a constituency as I describe — including the Paulbots. I’m not so sure I’d trust a Romney-only platform. He’s shown himself to be a bit fickle.

unclesmrgol on August 26, 2012 at 5:41 PM

“It wouldn’t be my speech,” Mr. Paul said. “That would undo everything I’ve done in the last 30 years. I don’t fully endorse him for president.”

So, does he partially endorse or something? What an odd statement.

thebrokenrattle on August 26, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Can you clarify what this post is meant to communicate? My post made no mention of chicken and I, for one, am unsure about your spelling of the word “likes.” Thanks for your help in clearing up this misunderstanding.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Rio Linda Refugee would like to know if you enjoy chicken.

Given your dodging and obfuscation, I too am now curious.

If you have nothing to hide, you will release your Kentucky fried chicken receipts. If you don’t, they will be released against your will by the end of October.

Alberta_Patriot on August 26, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Alberta_Patriot on August 26, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Oh he enjoys chicken, in more ways than he is willing to admit.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

I’ve read a number of your posts and I’ve noted that you really have no interest in a dialogue with anyone. You only wish to argue. As far as I’m concerned we have nothing more to discuss. Just keep walking.

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Mitt Romney’s legal advisor, Ben Ginsburg, has been attacking grassroots activism within the Republican Party during the Convention of the Rules Committee that met Friday prior to the Republican National Convention in Tampa, FL according to a source at the meeting.  I was told late yesterday that one of the amendments that he offered and was passed by the committee changes the RNC rules so that the presumptive nominee and the state party can decide who the delegates are that can go to the national convention.  The language of the rule states that the presidential nominee and state party can disavow any delegate.
These are essentially the people who write the platform.  Think about the implications of this:  If the nominee is anti-life, he or she, can essential disavow any pro-life delegate.  If he is in favor of same-sex marriage, he can disavow those delegates.  This gives the nominee too much influence over the party and it diminishes the grassroots who choose the delegates to send.  It is a top-down approach which favors the establishment.
This isn’t the only assault.  Buzzfeed reports that the Romney camp executed a power grab which was passed by the committee 63-38.  It would give the Republican National Committee and Mitt Romney new powers to amend the governing document of the GOP.

If this doesn’t open people’s eyes to the fact that Mitt’s only interested in preserving the power of the GOP Establishment, I don’t know what will.

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Mocking me? But on what basis? What is it about liking chicken that deserves ridicule. Has the conservative movement turned its back on one of the nation’s most commonly consumed meats? Eating chicken communicates something negative? Since when?

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

It’s not the eating of the chicken, it’s the fact that liberals, rather than killing and preparing their chicken themselves, prefer to steal the ones the conservatives have worked on.

unclesmrgol on August 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM

I was mocking you you chicken phukin moron and you are to simple to realize it and just ignore me.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Mocking me? But on what basis? What is it about liking chicken that deserves ridicule. Has the conservative movement turned its back on one of the nation’s most commonly consumed meats? Eating chicken communicates something negative? Since when?

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

I guess it depends on just how MUCH you like chicken(s). Please go be obtuse somewhere else

hoosierma on August 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

ok so lets talk Farenheit 911 which brings to mind our current situation regarding the availability of medical treatment in the US. I must warn you my father was a private sector blue collar union member with health insurance Bluecross/Bluesheild. Our family doctor did make house calls. I can recall on more than one occassion he came to our house to treat my fever/flu,ect. in the 60′s. Whats your take on our current dilemma regarding accessing medical treatment in the US. What went wrong?

sonnyspats1 on August 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Those who were inclined to believe it will say the deunking is itself bunk. People like me will probably buy into the debunking, the cycle will continue.

libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM

…tell you what!…while you’re busy sitting on your brain like a chicken on an egg ‘deunking’ …concentrate on the rules change…..and quit doing your SOS professor!

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Paulbots and ABRs hardest hit.

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 5:08 PM

No. Freedom and anti-establishment vitality hardest hit.

I’m voting to remove Obama but I’m quite clear on what I’m getting in the bargain. I hope everybody understands that when Obama is defeated the battle doesn’t end — not even close.

rrpjr on August 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM

“It wouldn’t be my speech,” Mr. Paul said. “That would undo everything I’ve done in the last 30 years. I don’t fully endorse him for president.”

30 years. That would certainly include the newsletters he published but claims he never read.

unclesmrgol on August 26, 2012 at 5:46 PM

hoosierma on August 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM

sonnyspats1 on August 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM

…don’t let the professor do it again! The “mush” is in its head…not yours!

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM

There are none so blind as though who will not see, or something like that.

You won’t see. Mitt is serious about winning this election and America NEEDS him to win. This isn’t about letting every hog and his dog with an axe to grind to spill his/her guts. Sorry, but the kook parade can spend time with their OWS brethren outside the house while Mitt takes care of business.

MJBrutus on August 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM

…but you never really responded when I inquired what you meant.
 
libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM

 

Rio Linda, dear, are you still there? Where have you gone?
 
libfreeordie on August 26, 2012 at 5:28 PM

 
Posted entirely without self-reflection, eh commander?

rogerb on August 26, 2012 at 5:50 PM

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM

I stand corrected sir!
The rules change could be a measure to prevent the Paulbots from astroturfing national policy BUT it could also be a measure put in place to stiffle the Tea Party. Excuse me but Southern Baptists need to team up and look for the good in the fiscal policies of Romney/Ryan. So I guess there is a place for Huckabee after all. Jeb not so much!

sonnyspats1 on August 26, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Libfree, they are using way out-of-date slang. It was a poke at your gayness and the idea that you must (since we all know what gays are really like) must be into younger Ignore it.

McDuck on August 26, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Oh he enjoys chicken, in more ways than he is willing to admit.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

…hopefully there’s no condoms involved…so let’s get the turd to pontificate about the rules change.

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Palinistas and Paulbots..what a weird combo.

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 5:52 PM

If this doesn’t open people’s eyes to the fact that Mitt’s only interested in preserving the power of the GOP Establishment, I don’t know what will.

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM

He’s covering his ass against a 2016 Palin insurgency after four years of alientaing the grassroots by cutting deals with Progressives. This is how power works. Is anybody really surprised? We’re all so consumed and enraptured with getting rid of Obama many of us don’t want to deal with these awkward little warning flares.

rrpjr on August 26, 2012 at 5:52 PM

rogerb on August 26, 2012 at 5:50 PM

…gawd I love it when you’re around!

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:52 PM

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Wow. Do you have old grudges you’re carrying over into this thread?

I was trying to clarify that now the next rule changes would not come in four years, but at any time.

“…the rules change every four years. They are not cast in concrete..”

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM

This would mean rules can change any time over the next four years. Wiki says as of 2011, the Republican National Committee had 168 members. 3/4 of them could amend a rule anytime they wanted to do so.

(Then I quoted BuzzFeed)

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

You consider that not being interested in dialogue?

If I misinterpreted your 5:22 statement, then please tell me. At the moment it appears you’re the one who doesn’t want to dialogue.

INC on August 26, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Like me, libree is in his 20s, so he may have never even heard of the term. You guys are dating yourself by using old slang.

McDuck on August 26, 2012 at 5:54 PM

*yourselves, not yourself, LOL.

McDuck on August 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM

If the RNC stunts this- refusing to allow a vote on the rules minority report because Sununu literally hid from committee members- we (The North Texas Tea Party) will be calling on all patriots who are delegates to walk out on the GOP convention. The republic form of governance needs to be reflected in the Republican party.

michaelo on August 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM

If the RNC stunts this- refusing to allow a vote on the rules minority report because Sununu literally hid from committee members- we (The North Texas Tea Party) will be calling on all patriots who are delegates to walk out on the GOP convention. The republic form of governance needs to be reflected in the Republican party.

michaelo on August 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM

lol

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM

The Romneyfication of the gop begins.

Let’s hope it’s not because he’s going to go so far to the left that he will piss off his own party that they wouldn’t renominate him.

A/K/A he wants to avoid a Pat Buchannan/Bush 41 insurrection in 2016.

Hey, Mitt…….how about you just concentrate on being MORE FRIGGIN LIKEABLE and beating Obama. Otherwise 2016 won’t matter.

PappyD61 on August 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM

- we (The North Texas Tea Party) will be calling on all patriots who are delegates to walk out on the GOP convention.
michaelo on August 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Knock yourselves out Sam Houston

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM

……or maybe he’s just scared of PALIN running in 2016 (like a redux of Ford / Reagan 1976).

PappyD61 on August 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM

……or maybe he’s just scared of PALIN running in 2016 (like a redux of Ford / Reagan 1976).

PappyD61 on August 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM

She’d have to run first.

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM

sonnyspats1 on August 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Once upon a time, a doctor could carry all of the equipment he or she needed to make a diagnosis in a little black bag.

No more.

Once upon a time, the doctor could charge the patient for all the time it took him or her to deal with the patient, including travel time.

Insurance companies, which have built themselves into risk-mitigating middlemen, pay per the office visit, completely destroying everything behind that business model.

In fact, some doctors are using that quirk of insurance to require the patient to make TWO office visits — one to take the test, and another to obtain the results of the diagnosis based upon the test. It’s a way of doubling income. Some doctors having this model will deliver both the test and the diagnosis in the same visit, but the patient has to pay a premium.

Consider further: 911 doesn’t bring you a doctor in case of a medical emergency — it brings you a transport service to get you to a place where there is a doctor — and all the complicated equipment medicine needs nowadays.

That said, you can still get house calls, but you have to be willing to pay a pretty penny.

unclesmrgol on August 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Begging the Democrats’ MSM for more coverage…why even throw a convention for more than one day. Allowing the Democrats’ MSM to control the debates…why even debate after you already surrendered? Stop supporting the Democrats’ MSM!

Karmi on August 26, 2012 at 6:00 PM

rrpjr on August 26, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Tee hee. You clowns are truly a riot. Yes, that’s right, nobody in this world takes a dump without considering what the simpleton might think about it. The sun rises just to illuminate her ass. The ocean tides recede not because of the sun and the moon but out of fear of displeasing Momma Bear. Every man and woman on earth lives with one eye looking over their shoulder just in case her iciness may be watching. She knows when you’ve been sleeping, she knows when you’re awake …

MJBrutus on August 26, 2012 at 6:00 PM

If this doesn’t open people’s eyes to the fact that Mitt’s only interested in preserving the power of the GOP Establishment, I don’t know what will.

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM

He’s covering his ass against a 2016 Palin insurgency after four years of alientaing the grassroots by cutting deals with Progressives. This is how power works. Is anybody really surprised? We’re all so consumed and enraptured with getting rid of Obama many of us don’t want to deal with these awkward little warning flares.

rrpjr on August 26, 2012 at 5:52 PM

I’m well aware he’s called himself a Progressive. We just are hoping he’s not going to be worse than the Commie.

NOT THE COMMIE 2012!!

PappyD61 on August 26, 2012 at 6:00 PM

……or maybe he’s just scared of PALIN running in 2016 (like a redux of Ford / Reagan 1976).

PappyD61 on August 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM

She’d have to run first.

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM

AHHHH Yes, I furgetted. Well that can’t be it then. :-)

PappyD61 on August 26, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Geez, I thought we were over the anti-Romney hysteria… Guess not…

sandee on August 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Geez, I thought we were over the anti-Romney hysteria… Guess not…

sandee on August 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM

It’s what the Palinistas do best.

wargamer6 on August 26, 2012 at 6:04 PM

I’ve read a number of your posts and I’ve noted that you really have no interest in a dialogue with anyone. You only wish to argue. As far as I’m concerned we have nothing more to discuss. Just keep walking.

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I can hardly believe you wrote this. I’m not interested in a dialogue with anyone?

I’ve been dialoguing and/or debating/arguing here for years. I’ve talked and I’ve chit chatted.

I know you have been an avid Mitt supporter, but in any discussion or argument with you have I ever insulted you or denigrated you in any way? That’s not my style.

I may disagree vehemently, but I try to support my opinions with facts and not shore them up with nastiness.

I have no idea what motivated you to make the above slam.

INC on August 26, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Geez, I thought we were over the anti-Romney hysteria… Guess not…

sandee on August 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Sadly some see the fact that we want Obama removed from the WH as wholesale support for Romney.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Romney rule change fight on convention floor?

…so what’s your take on this turdfreeordie ?…that’s why you entered this thread…too weigh in right?…where did you go?…looking for toilet paper again?

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 6:05 PM

o/t

Democrat Pol: “Crime in the N*grohood” … The Sound That You Here Is Crickets Chirping

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/08/democrat-pol-crime-in-ngrohood-wheres.html

M2RB: Rolling Stones

Resist We Much on August 26, 2012 at 6:05 PM

HEAR

Resist We Much on August 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM

…don’t let the professor do it again! The “mush” is in its head…not yours!

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM

My apologies…… I don’t comment often, but I was amusing myself thinking about RLR’s comment to “brainfreeordie”. Sounded like it was asking, “what’s WRONG with loving a chicken?!!” I won’t feed it again!

hoosierma on August 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM

…so what’s your take on this turdfreeordie ?…that’s why you entered this thread…too weigh in right?…where did you go?…looking for toilet paper again?

KOOLAID2 on August 26, 2012 at 6:05 PM

He/she did say it was going to pop some popcorn so maybe that task was too difficult…

sandee on August 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM

They should drop this Machiavellian minutae and focus on crushing Obama.

profitsbeard on August 26, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Sadly some see the fact that we want Obama removed from the WH as wholesale support for Romney.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Unfortunately Romney’s all we got, for now….

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Unfortunately Romney’s all we got, for now….

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Exactly…

sandee on August 26, 2012 at 6:10 PM

michaelo on August 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Sort of reminds me of Father Pfleger — Obama’s pet Catholic priest in Chicago — threatening to leave the Catholic Church if his Bishop sanctioned him.

As his Bishop wisely noted, the threat was in a very good sense the act. Pfleger was removed from ministry to reflect on whether he even wanted to be a Catholic or a priest.

If one threatens to go form a third party, they’ve in essence already done so.

unclesmrgol on August 26, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Unfortunately Romney’s all we got, for now….

idesign on August 26, 2012 at 6:09 PM

No we also have our respective Senate and HoR races that are equally important for being able to hold Mitt’s feet to the fire.

Rio Linda Refugee on August 26, 2012 at 6:11 PM

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