Todd Akin: I’m staying in because we’ve paid too much attention to politics and not enough to principle

posted at 6:57 pm on August 24, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, the money line comes at 3:55. I’m not sure which principle he means. Presumably he’s referring to respecting the will of primary voters, but in this case those voters went to the polls without knowing yet that he’d quickly become unelectably toxic. Maybe he means the principle of putting your own electoral ambitions above the conservative movement’s desperate, years-long drive to roll back ObamaCare? Or is it the principle of being able to say anything, no matter how hugely damaging it is to your own candidacy and potentially even the GOP ticket, and have your ideological allies circle the wagons on your behalf? If you can figure out the principle at stake, apart from ensuring the viability of left-wing health-care “reforms” for years to come, let me know.

One thing I’ll say for Akin: His decision here is entirely rational in the truest sense of that word. He’s acting logically according to his own self-interest. If he wins, he’s the comeback kid and a U.S. Senator. If he loses, he’s a martyr to social conservative leaders like Huckabee who are now backing him and who seem convinced that the truly troubling element in all this is that the GOP “establishment” (which in this case includes most of the grassroots, including the Tea Party Express) would abandon a guy who’s about to fumble away an easily winnable seat. Here’s a safe bet: If, as expected, Akin ends up losing badly to McCaskill, not one of his current allies will offer a “gee, I guess that rape comment hurt him more than we thought” mea culpa. Instead his loss will be blamed on the RINOs who snatched defeat from the jaws of glorious victory by moving to politically quarantine this guy before he could drag Romney and Ryan down with him. Ace is already hearing from this crowd, in fact, enough so that he’s gone ahead and posted a public apology for sinking poor Todd Akin’s chances by professing public skepticism about him. At least one person’s willing to acknowledge his mistakes.

Speaking of which, Nate Silver notes that the two splashy polls of Missouri taken this week had very different results but one important thing in common: The number of Republicans who intend to vote for Akin right now is dramatically lower than the number of Democrats who intend to vote for McCaskill. Some of that is surely a byproduct of hard feelings among Brunner and Steelman supporters after a tough three-way primary, but no one knows how much. If there’s some chunk of Republicans in Missouri who plan on sitting this race out in disgust, then it’s not just Akin who’s in trouble there. Potentially, it’s Romney too.


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And as stupid as Akin is, is his policies, his political policies better than the opponent?

right2bright on August 24, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Maybe. Maybe not.

I would say yes…that it would be true because it would get the Republicans the majority they need..however, is he would place the election in this kind of jeopardy just to prove a point..well, how can you know if he would be better.

Even Weiner quit when the noises in the Democratic party got loud enough…once they knew he was a liability, they let him go and he went.

Terrye on August 24, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Boneheaded and principled is still boneheaded.

PersonFromPorlock on August 24, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Important point.
This election about Principles versus Politics is going to be a fun one to watch.

We have a Principled Bonehead on one side and a Self-Serving Politician on the other. Just that Akin isn’t the total bonehead the news is making him out to be.

Elections like this will determine the future of our culture.

Lawrence on August 24, 2012 at 7:53 PM

r keller on August 24, 2012 at 7:51 PM

You need to allocate resources effectively. Money spent in that race wouldn’t be spent elsewhere. If MO gets close for Romney, he can quickly build his own GOTV operation there.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I’m not sure which principle he means. Presumably he’s referring to respecting the will of primary voters, but in this case those voters went to the polls without knowing yet that he’d quickly become unelectably toxic. Maybe he means the principle of putting your own electoral ambitions above the conservative movement’s desperate, years-long drive to roll back ObamaCare? Or is it the principle of being able to say anything, no matter how hugely damaging it is to your own candidacy and potentially even the GOP ticket, and have your ideological allies circle the wagons on your behalf? If you can figure out the principle at stake, apart from ensuring the viability of left-wing health-care “reforms” for years to come, let me know.

Permanently cleaving two parts of the Reagan Coalition – social conservatives and libertarians – apart so completely that those who believe in both small government and some semblance of a civil society are stuck in permanent minority no matter which half they go with?

Steve Eggleston on August 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM

How much money has Obama asked Soros to send Akin?

VorDaj on August 24, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I’ve gone from being irritated with Akin, to… like Ann Coulter, officially hating him. lol

Seriously, does this idiot realize that when he says moronic things like, “too much attention to politics and not enough to principle”, that he’s calling everybody with an IQ higher than his (and that’s EVERYBODY)… unprincipled. We’re gonna need a six-foot shoe horn to get this guy’s foot out of his mouth before he’s done.

I no longer care if McCaskill wipes the floor with him. We’ll just have to pick those seats up somewhere else. I’d rather like to think that somebody in MO is getting a write-in candidate lined up, because otherwise, it’s just a wash.

Murf76 on August 24, 2012 at 7:55 PM

What are the odds Akin will say something stupid again before election day?

He has clearly shown he does not have the self control and self discipline to avoid saying something stupid, where “something stupid” is what he really thinks.

farsighted on August 24, 2012 at 7:57 PM

The notion that a fetus is a human being is a relatively modern one.
For those who consider themselves Christian and think the Bible is the inspired word of G-d, please see Leviticus 27 wherein the valuation of living persons is given a detailed breakdown. No mention is made of any less than one-month of age. Did G-d forget.

VorDaj on August 24, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Ace is awesome.

mythicknight on August 24, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Permanently cleaving two parts of the Reagan Coalition – social conservatives and libertarians – apart so completely that those who believe in both small government and some semblance of a civil society are stuck in permanent minority no matter which half they go with?

Steve Eggleston on August 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Only a minority of social conservatives are standing with Akin. Mostly Washington insiders like Tony Perkins and wannabe kingmakers like Huckabee.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Todd Akin: I’m staying in because

I’m brain dead and I figure, why stop now?

Paul-Cincy on August 24, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Conservatives should be for truth and for the sincere search for truth. When someone uses the mask of pseudo-science, it is not a truthful approach, whether it be someone arguing for the existence of global warming or how a woman can or can’t get pregnant from rape. If Akin believes from a moral standpoint that no pregnancy should be aborted, without exception, he should have the courage to argue from a moral standpoint, because that is where his argument originates. To back-end his argument with phony science is dishonest. The scientific method does not start with a forgone conclusion and then a search for evidence to support an agenda. We call out global warmists with their use of this faux scientific approach..and if we are truthful and consistent, we need to call out people, even those on “our side” who indulge is such rubbish.

VorDaj on August 24, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Well, at least that MO Senate race is going to be interesting now…

I can only hope he doesn’t drag down the national ticket… the LSM will try their best to do that…

Khun Joe on August 24, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Who’s written a piece about getting to 50 without Congressman Ass-Clown?

You know what’s going to happen if he wins, right?

Arlen Specter Reborn.

budfox on August 24, 2012 at 8:00 PM

The GOP party line contends that our economic house must be put in order first, leaving the social issues that make up our moral house as a secondary priority. Some within the party wish to put the moral house in order first.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/mouses_in_gop_houses.html#ixzz24Vl1EInV

this is correct…and i think it is deeply naive for pro-lifers to traffic in this. They must work within the system, else barry and his followers will crush them

r keller on August 24, 2012 at 8:01 PM

joana on August 24, 2012 at 7:53 PM

people were going to spend money on MO anyway. I’m fine with spreading to other places…but spend some on a write in.

simple msg…if you hate Claire, and think that akin is a dim bulb, write in Bond

r keller on August 24, 2012 at 8:04 PM

This is getting ridiculous. I’m not here to defend Akin, but he did apologize and walk back his remarks. I guess that doesn’t count for anything in the GOP any more. Bottom line is we need a majority in the senate to repeal marxist care. The seat is very winnable especially if he drops out but he isn’t going to. With him staying in a write in campaign will only split the vote. Either the GOP writes off the seat or they can find a way to help him win. But this continued bickering over it is not helping.

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

In the end, I wonder if Karl Rove’s SuperPac and the National Senatorial Republican Committee will get panicky enough to unazz enough cash to drag Mr. Akin across the finish line. I just can’t imagine them letting Claire McCaskill snag an easy win.

As for Mike Huckabee, I’m glad Team Romney didn’t revoke his invite to the Convention over this. He has shown he can be dangerously vindictive, and willing to burn their house down, so it’s a better idea to keep their enemy close.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on August 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I wish he would drop out, but since it doesn’t seem like that is going to happen, I’d like him to go full bore bulldog a la sunnunu/Gingrich. just go for the jugular. call Claire a liar. call her a tax and spend democrat. say that her ideas are what we are watching crash and burn in Europe. just go at here and contrast it with American ideals like rugged individualism, family values, strength at home and on the border, fiscal discipline.

ah well…

tom daschle concerned on August 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/mouses_in_gop_houses.html#ixzz24Vl1EInV

this is correct…and i think it is deeply naive for pro-lifers to traffic in this. They must work within the system, else barry and his followers will crush them

r keller on August 24, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I think there’s a misconception about exactly what it was that Akin did wrong. It wasn’t his “no exceptions” pro-life stance. It wasn’t even his misuse of the word “legitimate”. Those things could’ve been explained. It was the Magic Uterus theory which was fatal to his career.

Not only is it not accurate, not only is it stupid, it’s a deep and irretrievable insult to every woman who’s ever been raped and become pregnant from the assault. To suggest that trauma prevents conception is ALSO to suggest that any who do become pregnant are insufficiently traumatized. THAT’s the thing that can’t be overcome. It’s akin to saying that a victim wasn’t all that adverse to the rape. :o

And this is why, despite Akin’s bet that they will, most prominent Republicans won’t be coming back to support him. I’m frankly quite surprised at Mike Huckabee’s lack of deep thinking on this. But then, he’s not really got a dog in this fight since he’s not running for office himself.

Murf76 on August 24, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Some within the party wish to put the moral house in order first.

Then they better ditch Akin fast, cause his psychotic statements are going to destroy the credibility of the Pro-life movement more effectively than the atomic bomb destroyed Hiroshima.

talkingpoints on August 24, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I’m not sure which principle he means.

The principle of ignoring reality and instead embracing fantasy.

farsighted on August 24, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I’ve been very careful to avoid assassination jokes in internet political discussions since about 2001 to avoid hypocrisy when discussing the way in which the liberal left usually behaves and to avoid unwanted attention from the United States Secret Service and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Todd Akin is severely testing my resolve.

Alberta_Patriot on August 24, 2012 at 8:17 PM

The notion that a fetus is a human being is a relatively modern one.
For those who consider themselves Christian and think the Bible is the inspired word of G-d, please see Leviticus 27 wherein the valuation of living persons is given a detailed breakdown. No mention is made of any less than one-month of age. Did G-d forget.

VorDaj on August 24, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Not sure where I stand on the business about the Bible being the inspired word of G-d, but I do know, as does any sane person, that the valuation of a living person in the Hebrew civil code is not the same things as the definition of a person.

Akin sucks, by the way.

Jack Squat Bupkis on August 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

This is getting ridiculous. I’m not here to defend Akin, but he did apologize and walk back his remarks. I guess that doesn’t count for anything in the GOP any more. Bottom line is we need a majority in the senate to repeal marxist care. The seat is very winnable especially if he drops out but he isn’t going to. With him staying in a write in campaign will only split the vote. Either the GOP writes off the seat or they can find a way to help him win. But this continued bickering over it is not helping.

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

You can’t walk-back saying in so many words that rape victims who become pregnant must’ve LIKED it. So, no. I think it’s unlikely that Akin’s going to get welcomed back into the fold.

Apologies aren’t always forgiven. Particularly not when the guy who’s done wrong REFUSES an action which would rectify his mistake.
Akin should have dropped out last Monday.

Murf76 on August 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Todd Akin: I’m staying in because we’ve paid too much attention to politics and not enough to principle I’ve invested too much time into gaining power and I will not relinquish it so easily.

ButterflyDragon on August 24, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Murf76 on August 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

I’m sorry, but your stupid, childish, and offensive comment is the epitome of why Akin should stay in. No sane person on the planet heard his comment and thought that’s what he meant. It’s simply not possible, because someone who jumped to THAT conclusion is, in fact, out of their mind.

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:22 PM

election, not selection! zing!

oh well. the repubs should have not put so much preasure to him to get out. they should have just criticized him. and express vigorous disagreement.

now the bridges are burned and the seat is lost.

nathor on August 24, 2012 at 7:43 PM

eech!

nathor on August 24, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I was going to vote for akin before his rape comments,but now that

I know that his stupid words stain the entire party with stupid.I can’t bring myself to vote for the stupid republicans this year.I’ll have to vote for the Dems.Because I don’t want to be linked with stupid people.

gohogs on August 24, 2012 at 7:35 PM

So voting for the dem still does that, right?

The problem is…the dems would never abandon their candidate. Because they feel no matter how stupid he/she is, they are still better than the opposition.

And as stupid as Akin is, is his policies, his political policies better than the opponent?

right2bright on August 24, 2012 at 7:46 P

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Remember ‘Al Greene’ the SC 2010 candidate? LOL Oh yes, the Dems do cut their candidates’ throat..remember Hillary Clinton? Corey Booker, Harold Ford….you bet the Dems do the same thing.

Redford on August 24, 2012 at 8:24 PM

No sane person on the planet heard his comment and thought that’s what he meant. It’s simply not possible, because someone who jumped to THAT conclusion is, in fact, out of their mind.

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:22 PM

What is nonlegitimate rape?

a capella on August 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Only a minority of social conservatives are standing with Akin. Mostly Washington insiders like Tony Perkins and wannabe kingmakers like Huckabee.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Unfortunately, that’s enough to screw Romney in Missouri (or did you miss thday’s Rasmussen poll?). Take away the 10% that’s the Huck-and-Shuckers by royally p!ssing them off (or at least arguably the PaulNuts) and the 35% of the populace that are broad-based conservatives and whichever side sticks around are suddenly in the minority.

Steve Eggleston on August 24, 2012 at 8:26 PM

For that matter, no rational person heard Akin’s comments and made the wild conclusion that Ed jumped too either. In context he almost surely used the word “legitimate” to mean “actual.” I’ve heard it done a million times. The only thing he did was make a comment that was scientifcally inaccurate. It’s insane- we’ll gladly forgive a candidate who honestly in his heart thinks the earth is a mere 6,000 years old, yet we will toss aside a pro-life candidate who flubs a point that was up until recently widely held and up for debate amongst actual doctors.

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:27 PM

If, as expected, Akin ends up losing badly to McCaskill

could you elaborate on why that is expected? in a state with obama and dem apporval of about lower than whale dung. aint gonna happen, bed wetter. its funny how you all threw this dude overboard in 5 minutes because MSNBC went nuts and the gop establishment (and oh, the TPE, right). the dude wins. cache this one. and all the other ones the last week. will be funny later.

t8stlikchkn on August 24, 2012 at 8:28 PM

a capella on August 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Statutory rape?
Rape where someone claims rape in order to abort and not look bad?
Where someone claims rape and was never raped.

Seriously? This happens everyday.

Besides- in context, we can safely assume the term “legit” was used to mean “actual,” as in “in cases of actual rape, where force was used…”

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Todd Akin: I’m staying in because we’ve paid too much attention to politics and not enough to principle I’ve invested too much time into gaining power and I will not relinquish it so easily, and I’m on a mission from God and He told me to stay in the race.

ButterflyDragon on August 24, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Edited to add further relevant information.

farsighted on August 24, 2012 at 8:29 PM

What are MO conservatives going to do? Reluctantly support Akin or recruit a conservative 3rd party candidate?

22044 on August 24, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I am so tired of liberals posting articles on supposedly conservative blogs, posting push positions…

fabrexe on August 24, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Unfortunately, that’s enough to screw Romney in Missouri (or did you miss thday’s Rasmussen poll?). Take away the 10% that’s the Huck-and-Shuckers by royally p!ssing them off (or at least arguably the PaulNuts) and the 35% of the populace that are broad-based conservatives and whichever side sticks around are suddenly in the minority.

Steve Eggleston on August 24, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I doubt the number of Obama/Akin or blank/Akin ticket splitters even reaches 1%. I’d be more worried about depressed turnout. If Romney is down 1 in a poll with a 56W/44M breakup, he’s still ahead in the real world.

Plus, what you brought up there is quite a bit different from your earlier claim about a “permanent minority”.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM

And this is why, despite Akin’s bet that they will, most prominent Republicans won’t be coming back to support him. I’m frankly quite surprised at Mike Huckabee’s lack of deep thinking on this. But then, he’s not really got a dog in this fight since he’s not running for office himself.

Murf76 on August 24, 2012 at 8:12 PM

yeah…exactly right.

El Rushbo had a talk on this and asserted that Evangelicals had were trying to make a ‘case’ as to why abortion in the case of rape was still wrong…and that how they concocted this business about spastic fallopian tubes…etc

I seriously fault akin for this…that he doesn’t seem to have the insight or intelligence to think deeply about this subject. The Catholic Church has a similar position, how do they deal with it?

akin would have been better off to read, study and think before babbling to Jaco. But i don’t think that’s his style

he’s popped off about other subjects…which is why the dem wanted him so badly

I checked, and a mason dixon poll had him 3rd right before the primary

so, akin is probably being stupid and disingenuous even in claiming to be the ‘peoples’ choice

r keller on August 24, 2012 at 8:34 PM

honest question- what about misstatements will leave you tossed into the street by your so-called fellow conservatives? im curious as to whether there or a clear line or not- what you can and can never get away with before your own start tearing you apart.

i guess maybe it only matters when control of the senate is more important than a man’s reputation and career? or am i far off?

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Here’s what Akin said. Not defending him but jeesh this thing has been blown out of proportion by our side.

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I’m frankly quite surprised at Mike Huckabee’s lack of deep thinking on this.

Murf76 on August 24, 2012 at 8:12 PM

I don’t expect “deep thinking” from someone who thinks the earth is about 600 years old. Quite the contrary. The preacher man is behaving exactly as I would expect him to.

He tries to hide it (unsuccessfully IMHO) but what we are seeing is a glimpse of the real Huckster.

farsighted on August 24, 2012 at 8:39 PM

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:22 PM

sorry, he didn’t say it indirectly…but if it is rare because the women’s body shuts down because of trama…then, if you have a pregnant women who claims rape..well?

why didn’t her spastic tubes shut down…hmmmmmm? Inquiring minds

forget it, akin is over his head.

Jaco 1, akin Zero

r keller on August 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Who would ever think Akin and Dede Scozzafava would have so much in common?

MeatHeadinCA on August 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM

youre not allowed to be told something factually inaccurate by doctors and let anyone else know. you have to be perfect. you cant use the wrong word ever. if you do, you will be tossed to the wolves no matter what.

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM

This is getting ridiculous. I’m not here to defend Akin, but he did apologize and walk back his remarks. I guess that doesn’t count for anything in the GOP any more. Bottom line is we need a majority in the senate to repeal marxist care. The seat is very winnable especially if he drops out but he isn’t going to. With him staying in a write in campaign will only split the vote. Either the GOP writes off the seat or they can find a way to help him win. But this continued bickering over it is not helping.

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

The bickering is irrelevant, Akin needs to drop down. It’s the ONLY way of avoiding McCaskill’s re-election. Those who believe Akin can win are probably the same who though COD could win, to paraphrase Ace.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I’m really sick of this voodoo vag believing, combover wearing, laser.
Let’s talk about the next distraction.
See, Romney is a birther cause he made a joke and he talks to Trump!

AllahsNippleHair on August 24, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Here’s what Akin said. Not defending him but jeesh this thing has been blown out of proportion by our side.

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Akin lied in his apology, when he claimed that he said “one word on one day”. An apology wherein you lie about what you did is not an apology.

Second, even if he did do a proper apology, threr would still be consequences. By the reasoning of Akin and his supporters, an actual rapist shouldn’t have to serve prison time as long as they apologize.

Alberta_Patriot on August 24, 2012 at 8:48 PM

youre not allowed to be told something factually inaccurate by doctors and let anyone else know. you have to be perfect. you cant use the wrong word ever. if you do, you will be tossed to the wolves no matter what.

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Anyone who believes women bodies have a magic mechanism to prevent insemination in case of rape is just too intellectually unfit and repugnant to serve in the senate.

The large majority of those who disagree tend to be crazies like Akin who used to believe, or still do, on the very popular myth of “God’s Little Shield”.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 8:49 PM

This is frustrating for me personally. I’m an evangelical who enjoys intellectual curiosity, who loves to defend other evangelicals who pursue knowledge passionately. But many people think that evangelicals are dumb for relying on faux-science and other foolishness, and this story helps perpetuate that stereotype, which may be true to some extent.

22044 on August 24, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I doubt the number of Obama/Akin or blank/Akin ticket splitters even reaches 1%. I’d be more worried about depressed turnout. If Romney is down 1 in a poll with a 56W/44M breakup, he’s still ahead in the real world.

Plus, what you brought up there is quite a bit different from your earlier claim about a “permanent minority”.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I’m working off the last 2 Rasmussen polls, where the Republican splits went from a Romney-Obama 94%-4% and Akin-McCaskill 94%-4% at the end of July to a Romney-Obama 85%-12% and Akin-McCaskill 70%-10%. Rasmussen didn’t go into deeper detail on the different flavors of Republican, but given in other states, there was a positive Republican effect from the Ryan VP selection, and in Missouri there was a positive “independent” one, I am left to infer there is a schism.

Given the rhetoric from both the Huck-and-Shuckers and the Losertarians, they both sure as Hell want that schism to be permanent.

Steve Eggleston on August 24, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Akin is still parroting Jack Willke from the Life Issues Institute who’s the biggest promoter of this myth. A nutjobs who claims that there are only 4 rape pregnancies/state/year, which implies that every year thousands of American women lie about getting pregnant from rape. Akin said on his first Hannity interview he had checked the facts and admitted he was wrong but in his last interview with Dana Loesch he quoted Willke, suggesting his only mistake was the “legitimate” word.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 8:55 PM

joana on August 24, 2012 at 8:49 PM

So, the doctors who, not too long ago, thought that violent sex prevented insemination were repugnant monsters? Seriously? But it’s okay to believe the world is 6,000 years old and man used to ride dinosaurs around.

If Akin were running for head scientist position, I’d have an issue, but if he said it in the moment trying to defend the lives of babies borne of rape (whose live are just as precious), then I see no major issue with it, and it wouldn’t be as long as people wouldn’t take it out of context, but no such luck there.

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:57 PM

This is getting ridiculous. I’m not here to defend Akin, but he did apologize and walk back his remarks. I guess that doesn’t count for anything in the GOP any more. Bottom line is we need a majority in the senate to repeal marxist care. The seat is very winnable especially if he drops out but he isn’t going to. With him staying in a write in campaign will only split the vote. Either the GOP writes off the seat or they can find a way to help him win. But this continued bickering over it is not helping.

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

The bickering is irrelevant, Akin needs to drop down. It’s the ONLY way of avoiding McCaskill’s re-election. Those who believe Akin can win are probably the same who though COD could win, to paraphrase Ace.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 8:46 PM

If Palin wants him to get out he should get out. She can carry almost anyone over the finish line,almost anywhere. Let her work her magic.
Akin is coming off like Mr. Macacca, Trent Lott or a whole bunch of other GOP losers who spent waaay too much time apologizing and looking weak instead of kicking some ass after they put their foot in it.
Do a single sincere apology and then move on.
For Aiken its too late for that.

rodguy911 on August 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I just stumbled in the most ridiculous pro life site. as some of you know, many times early miscarriages are nothing but a late period and are very common. knowing this, I argued that ppl should not get too attached to early pregnancies because the high incidence of failure.

then I saw this:
http://personhoodfunerals.com/

see the “how to” section with caskets for your menstruation fluid.

OH!

nathor on August 24, 2012 at 8:59 PM

It’s not about his belief on abortion. It’s about his inability to process the logical. Someone “told” him the body has a mechanism to stop sperm from fertilizing an egg and he didn’t have the intellectual capacity to think it through. He’s STUPID and I don’t want the STUPID voting on the laws I have to live by. Dumbass, arrogant POS SOB!

Socmodfiscon on August 24, 2012 at 9:05 PM

This is getting ridiculous. I’m not here to defend Akin, but he did apologize and walk back his remarks. I guess that doesn’t count for anything in the GOP any more. Bottom line is we need a majority in the senate to repeal marxist care. The seat is very winnable especially if he drops out but he isn’t going to. With him staying in a write in campaign will only split the vote. Either the GOP writes off the seat or they can find a way to help him win. But this continued bickering over it is not helping.

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

It is not about the GOP. It is about voters who can vote either way from election to election, and who do. There is nothing the GOP, reliable GOP voters, and Akin can do to undo the damage he has done with those voters.

Apparently Akin thinks he can rally enough true believers in MO from the ranks of people who could vote either way to win. Good luck with that, Todd.

I think that kind of wishful thinking is almost as stupid and out of touch with reality as what he quite obviously thinks about the relationship between “legitimate” rape and the odds of consequent pregnancy.

farsighted on August 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I just stumbled in the most ridiculous pro life site. as some of you know, many times early miscarriages are nothing but a late period and are very common. knowing this, I argued that ppl should not get too attached to early pregnancies because the high incidence of failure.

then I saw this:
http://personhoodfunerals.com/

see the “how to” section with caskets for your menstruation fluid.

OH!

nathor on August 24, 2012 at 8:59 PM

I am sorry, I have been a victim of poe’s law.

nathor on August 24, 2012 at 9:09 PM

For those of us who have said “I’d vote for a rabid animal over a lib”….here’s your big chance!

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:09 PM

So, the doctors who, not too long ago, thought that violent sex prevented insemination were repugnant monsters? Seriously?

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Dear, who are those “doctors”? There are still doctors who believe in that – check Jack Willke. Just because some pastor told you those issue was a point of contention within the medical community it doesn’t make it true.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 9:09 PM

omg <3333 one of my absolute favorite manga/anime ever =D

Sachiko on August 24, 2012 at 7:43 PM

It pleases me to no end to know there is another anime fan at HA! ^_^

Gatsu on August 24, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I think libs stand behind a**holes who later win in order to build up their numbers and win votes. Not that supporting these flawed/stupid candidates is “honorable”, but they put winning ahead of that.

They supported Kennedy after Chappaquidick…he remained in the Senate for the rest of his life. While Mary Jo was not forgotten she became irrelevant.

Akin is no Kennedy in terms of cache, but he didn’t kill anybody either. Lotsa vile dems in Congress.

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I have not commented on the substance of what he originally said before but I went on some of the Conservative sites and spoke to some very liberal people as well. This is so hot right now that most of what you see is hyper partisan. But think the conservative point of view could enlighten some.

First of all there was a recent study done on menstrual cycles and the impact that the busy lives of many American women in high stress situations. Some stop having them all together but most are having real disruptions caused by the stress. Thus it is true that stress can disrupt the conditions necessary to carry a pregnancy to term. I doubt there is anything more stressful to a woman than a violent (legitimate) rape. So I really do not think it debatable that at least some women that are raped abort the pregnancy by themselves.
It is obviously highly debatable that almost all do.

Rape is not Rape. Rape comes in many different forms. Salutatory Rape has gotten more and more difficult to prosecute for as the law on it has changed drastically over the last 40 years. Age of consent used to be 21 but is now as young as 16 and steadily going down. Obviously these women are not stressed they are consenting to the “rape”. Many convicted of this would not be if they did it today not years ago.

Main point is that Conservative Republicans were not offended in the least about what he said. Did not think it particularly stupid in the first place but were glad he listened to reason but now feel he has and many others have gone way to far in the other direction. Many no longer consider R&R a valid choice. They are very discouraged as there is simply no one to vote for.

Now talking to liberals they were just as discouraged. They did not want to vote for Obama even though they did in 08. But by the same token Romney was toxic to them because he has no core. They have no idea where he really stands on things. They are mostly reminded of how Obama presented himself back in 08 and they hate how that turned out. Neither have any plans to save Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security and they do understand the money is running out and are very worried about what happens then.

I am not going to jump on people for the past here. But I will say that Romney will lose most Conservatives with his current plank of Abortion upon telling a lie. Conservatives understand that that the same as Abortion on Demand. But every one I talked to knew America was running out of money and we either fix it or we are all screwed. Ryans plan balances in 28 years. That it far too far away.

I will say yes if Akin loses it will be Establishment Republicans that will be blamed for not defending him. Mitt was seldom liked by more than 40% until the others dropped out so 47% by Akin sounds quite good right after a tough election and this firestorm.

Steveangell on August 24, 2012 at 9:15 PM

If Akin is logically supporting his own self-interest by staying in, are Missouri GOPers logically supporting their own self-interests by sitting this one out and grasping at 6 more years of McCaskill?

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:17 PM

For those of us who have said “I’d vote for a rabid animal over a lib”….here’s your big chance!

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:09 PM

That’s not the problem. The problem is the MO voter who can vote either way. Akin will not get enough of their vote to win.

He thinks he can. He is delusional and out of touch with reality.

farsighted on August 24, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Who won the GOP MIssouri primary in 2008?

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Being a SoCon dingbat means never admitting you’re wrong.

And after they lose badly? Well, that’s to be expected because the world is just so sinful. What’s important is that voters look to politicians for moral guidance, that’s more important than actually implementing public policy.

And don’t you dare even think about shutting up people like Akin, otherwise the SoCons will threaten to sit out elections. And they’re the base you can count on, before them, Republicans NEVER won elections.

Remember, pro-choice Republican Richard Nixon won 49 states.

Just sayin’.

BradTank on August 24, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I guess it depends on whether or not McCaskill is tolerated. Look at Al Franken being elected over a much better man…sometimes states vote for a joke.

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:24 PM

There was one element, however, that the polls had in common. Both showed a large number of Republicans who were not willing to declare their support for either Mr. Akin or Ms. McCaskill.

Analysis by a pollster. In other words, get someone else now to make republicans vote. Even if you lose the senate seat now, you get people to come out and vote a new senate candidate and for Mitt and you also tell everyone else that you really are telling Akin to go to hell. Get an imagination RNC!

Robb on August 24, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Akin is probably erroneously waiting for the public to reach their saturation point with this issue. It may do that. I have no idea, but I bet that’s what he’s banking on. If this happened in late October, there would be no room for improvement. It’s August. A lot can happen.

Anyway, do we think MO will got for a “Senator Lisa” type write in campaign?

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

It wouldn’t matter how vigorously or sincerely Akin walks back or apologizes, he is irreversibly damaged goods. If you are old enough, remember Dan Quayle? He was crucified and depicted by the MSM as an idiot. He became a poisoned well and was absolutely un-electable to any public office, although he never showed the hubris the Akin has shown. I thought Charlie Crist was self-absorbed, but this guy takes the prize.

IMO he needs to walk back his entire career at the public trough and get over himself.

belad on August 24, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Will republicans abandon Akin in the privacy of the ballot box or just the media polls?

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Maybe Quayle should have shown a bit more gumption and not allowed the media to define him. Palin has stood up against her characterization with pretty good results.

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Remember, pro-choice Republican Richard Nixon won 49 states.

Just sayin’.

BradTank on August 24, 2012 at 9:22 PM

That was a sad story a very long time ago. He was the last.

Since then five have embraced Establishment Republican positions and all five lost as will Mitt even with Obama having almost no support.

Mitt Romney is so far to the left I have never considered him a Republican and he denied he was one in 2002 when he ran calling himself a Liberal Moderate to the left of the Democratic Party.

Steveangell on August 24, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Why would you want to do a write-in and potentially split the Republican vote? The social conservative voters will probably stick with this guy. The others would vote for the write-in and McCaskill would win. Just stick with Akin and quit making hateful comments. Make out like its nothing (which it basically is) and let the controversy die down. Make excuses for the guy and convince the Missourians to vote for him. I can’t believe how stupid this situation is over one meaningless comment. Reminds me strongly of what happened to that Senator from Lousiana (can’t think of his name).

LL1960 on August 24, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Missouri Republicans shouldn’t be sitting anything out. Missouri Republicans should be choosing another candidate by consensus who will be ready to step in when Akin folds. And he will–he’s pathetic (as big a disgrace as the Senate is, this man’s not fit to be in it). One can certainly see why McCaskill’s people have been behind him all the way.

Here’s hoping when he fades into obscurity, he takes Huckleberry with him.

SukieTawdry on August 24, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Rush is from Missouri. He should run. Gee, do you think he’d win? I mean, to keep the US from dying? Or would he rather run away to New Zealand? Hmmm.

Coronagold on August 24, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Yes he should have resigned but the fact is he did not. It would be ashame if the republicans just ditch this race and don’t vote for him or provide campaign dollars. At that point the potential loss of the senate falls not only on Akin but the entire gop and the voters in MO. Time to suck it up and realize he made a stupid comment that is unrelated to the economic reasons to vote out McCaskil.

Ellis on August 24, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Defeatist! Who says he can not turn this around and attack Claire andher baby killing ways?? You are all listening to the powers to be to much

Bullhead on August 24, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Presumably he’s referring to respecting the will of primary voters,

Yep…he won…he is respecting the will of the people that voted for him and made him the nominee. It’s all for them he says.

What a load of crap.

You know what Mr. Akin? Your Senate race is bigger than the 35% of the primary voters in Missouri who gave you that nomination. This election goes beyond Missouri’s borders. Your local race could very well have an impact on every single citizen of this country. So now we all get to have a say. And most Missouri Republicans now want you to take your leave…so why are you refusing to respect that majority? If it’s about the will of the people as you say…then respect the new majority and stop peddling your ridiculous brand of BS.

lynncgb on August 24, 2012 at 10:31 PM

The notion that a fetus is a human being is a relatively modern one.
For those who consider themselves Christian and think the Bible is the inspired word of G-d, please see Leviticus 27 wherein the valuation of living persons is given a detailed breakdown. No mention is made of any less than one-month of age. Did G-d forget.

VorDaj on August 24, 2012 at 7:57 PM

What a f’n disgusting liberal thing to do. Sheer Evil.

rayra on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Only a minority of social conservatives are standing with Akin. Mostly Washington insiders like Tony Perkins and wannabe kingmakers like Huckabee.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 7:58 PM

And this perverse seriel distorter needs to STFU as well. Inferring that Akin’s support comes from ‘insiders’ is laughable on its face – it’s that pack of giant cowards that are running away from Akin as fast as they can.

rayra on August 24, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Anyone who believes women bodies have a magic mechanism to prevent insemination in case of rape is just too intellectually unfit and repugnant to serve in the senate.

The large majority of those who disagree tend to be crazies like Akin who used to believe, or still do, on the very popular myth of “God’s Little Shield”.

joana on August 24, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Yeah, cause there’s never been spontaneous abortion or chemical / hormonal imbalances that impact fertility nor legions of anecdotes about couples who try everything for years to get pregnant, and once they give up / relax and start adoption proceedings suddenly wind up pregnant.
Shut up, you damned moron.

It’s even more ironic that the ‘mechanism’ discussed and adopted by Akin’s anti-abortion thought-group actually was promulgated by Planned Parenthood.

rayra on August 24, 2012 at 10:46 PM

So much for Math.

Coronagold on August 24, 2012 at 10:47 PM

It’s not about his belief on abortion. It’s about his inability to process the logical. Someone “told” him the body has a mechanism to stop sperm from fertilizing an egg and he didn’t have the intellectual capacity to think it through. He’s STUPID and I don’t want the STUPID voting on the laws I have to live by. Dumbass, arrogant POS SOB!

Socmodfiscon on August 24, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Here’s another ignorant moron that does know anything about stress hormones, uterine ph level impacts on fertility, or that a fertilized ovum produced a chemical barrier that prevents additional sperm from penetrating. There are all sorts of chemical barriers and interactions affecting fertility. Akin’s group stupidly expresses it and further conflates it with their unconditional defense of a fetus, but that doesn’t change the fact that there ARE chemical issues that affect and block pregnancy.

rayra on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Rush is from Missouri. He should run. Gee, do you think he’d win? I mean, to keep the US from dying? Or would he rather run away to New Zealand? Hmmm.

Coronagold on August 24, 2012 at 10:17 PM

See here’s another cheap liberal turd in the punchbowl. The entire premise is garbage. Rush is MUCH more effective right where he’s at. And why in the hell would he take the pay cut?
Politics isn’t supposed to be a populatiry contest, in the manner you’ve suggested. It’s supposed to be about principle – which both Rush and Akin are correctly pointing out.

rayra on August 24, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Maybe Quayle should have shown a bit more gumption and not allowed the media to define him. Palin has stood up against her characterization with pretty good results.

clnurnberg on August 24, 2012 at 9:31 PM

What office is Sarah Palin running for in this election. She is also poisoned and is thought of by the sheeples as stupid and knows nothing. She has not rolled over, but she can not be elected to any national office.

belad on August 24, 2012 at 11:12 PM

He said in his so called press conference, “It’s an election! Not a selection!” Excuse me? Are you freaking kidding me? I thought elections were selections and we want a do-over. Freak. I am a very dissatisfied Missouri Republican. Ugh. Write in? Can someone with a voice please start the movement?

leftophobe on August 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM

What I find funny is that so many Republicans and professing conservatives talk about principles when it comes to elections and candidates, but when you get them really talk about their views on voting and elections they’re really pragmatists first… unless they’re mad at their Republican candidate, then they pull the principled argument out of the back seat.

So many who’ve railed against Akin for being stupid and destroying/harming his chances, the chances for Republicans for the seat and Romney were taking a pragmatic approach to Todd before his goof. Now, suddenly your principles matter enough that you’d be willing to sit out voting for him and let Claire win. So much for the idea that you’ve just got to unseat her.

Y’all like to blame individuals like me who have said all along that I couldn’t vote for Romney, but you who say you won’t vote for Akin, you’re effectively doing the exact same thing.

Oh, the irony.

If Todd loses, is it truly because of his gaffe or because enough Republicans decided that all of a sudden their principles found in a moment of anger led them to not vote at all in the Senate race?

Social cons and those of us with third party proclivities have been told/asked/insulted time and again to vote for Romney, McCain, or whomever is at the top of the ticket no matter how much we disagree with him and don’t like him because it’s for the ultimate good, the lesser of two evils, etc.

Well, here’s all of your arguments piled right back on top of you. Mr. Akin’s defiance is highlighting the pervasive hypocrisy that has always been there from voters and party members to pundits to party bosses and politicians.

At least social cons have always been consistent. Mr. Akin is being consistent in his defiance. He’s apologized. Time for you to move on and help him bring the argument and discussion back to where it’s supposed to be, the economy, stupid.

My vote’s still for Mr. Akin, whether he has a shot at winning or losing. I’ve voted for a lot of people who had zero chances of winning before. Hasn’t stopped me before, won’t stop me now.

Mr. Akin’s right. Y’all have been paying way too much attention to the political game. Yeah, you may win and you may get to control things, but at what cost? We keep on sliding ever downward, despite the argument from the moderates and mushes that every election means we can vote out the RINOs, etc.

Logus on August 24, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Many conservatives have made clear their desire for Akin to drop out,including myself.But it really ticks me off when RINOs on here start attacking social conservatives because of the political ineptness of this guy.The idiot is apparently staying in-now lets see if you RINOs support Akin the way you expect us to support Romney!

redware on August 24, 2012 at 11:28 PM

If Todd loses, is it truly because of his gaffe or because enough Republicans decided that all of a sudden their principles found in a moment of anger led them to not vote at all in the Senate race?

Logus on August 24, 2012 at 11:16 PM

I’m still amazed that some people still don’t get this.

You cannot win an election after telling thirty thousand rape victims that “they must have liked it” or “really wanted it”.

It’s really that simple.

Todd Akin lost the election. It’s over for him. But the GOP might still win. Only Akin won’t let them. Akin is campaigning now for Obama and McCaskill. And they love him for it.

Alberta_Patriot on August 24, 2012 at 11:46 PM

I’m still amazed that some people still don’t get this.

You cannot win an election after telling thirty thousand rape victims that “they must have liked it” or “really wanted it”.

It’s really that simple.

Todd Akin lost the election. It’s over for him. But the GOP might still win. Only Akin won’t let them. Akin is campaigning now for Obama and McCaskill. And they love him for it.

Alberta_Patriot on August 24, 2012 at 11:46 PM

You are right you can’t win by saying those things. And he didn’t say that. But why let the truth get in the way if it fits your narrative.

bgibbs1000 on August 25, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Here’s what Akin said. Not defending him but jeesh this thing has been blown out of proportion by our side.

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

bgibbs1000 on August 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Still a really stupid comment that will probably cost the GOP the MO Senate seat. Akin staying in is more about his ego than principle, in my view. The old saying “…if you polish a turd, it is still a turd…” definitely applies to his full comments.

conservativemusician on August 25, 2012 at 12:18 AM

I’m sorry, but your stupid, childish, and offensive comment is the epitome of why Akin should stay in. No sane person on the planet heard his comment and thought that’s what he meant. It’s simply not possible, because someone who jumped to THAT conclusion is, in fact, out of their mind.

TheBlueSite on August 24, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Grow up for pete’s sake. Sheesh. Do you honestly think the entire Republican Party would’ve thrown Akin overboard if he wasn’t irretrievably stupid? He was 3 points ahead of McCaskill before he fatally wounded himself with his own moronic tongue. OF COURSE the RNC would’ve bailed him out if there was a way to do it. Why wouldn’t they? It’s not like every member of the GOP is a rabid fan of Claire McCaskill. There was simply no way to save the guy.

Because… it’s simply NOT POSSIBLE to say that conception is prevented by the trauma of rape without deeply insulting those women who do become pregnant after an assault. This shouldn’t be some sort of jijitsu stretch of logic. If trauma prevents conception, then a dearth of trauma would AID conception. THUS… the guy is saying that these women aren’t sufficiently victimized. And of course, that’s a fatally stupid assertion, well past the possibility of redemption.

Murf76 on August 25, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Missourians !

WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN

We have to defeat McCaskill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Todd Akin is a self-involved loser who wants to take us down with his ship which has been taking on water for 4 days!!!!!!!!

Mark7788 on August 25, 2012 at 12:33 AM

WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN
WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN
WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN
WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN

Mark7788 on August 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM

You cannot win an election after telling thirty thousand rape victims that “they must have liked it” or “really wanted it”.

Alberta_Patriot on August 24, 2012 at 11:46 PM

You are right you can’t win by saying those things.

bgibbs1000 on August 25, 2012 at 12:00 AM

I’m glad we agree.

Alberta_Patriot on August 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM

WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN
WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN
WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN
WRITE IN: SARAH STEELMAN

Mark7788 on August 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM

From what I understand, MO has a “Poor Loser Law”

Meaning anyone on the primary ballot, and loses, cannnot be a write in candidate.

Correct me if I am wrong…

ccrosby on August 25, 2012 at 12:46 AM

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