Empire State Building shooting leaves several wounded, two dead, including suspect

posted at 10:31 am on August 24, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

A man described provisionally as a “disgruntled employee” killed one other person at the Empire State Building this morning and shot several others, before being killed himself. The news broke over an hour ago, but as is usual in cases like these, the details are shifting and contradictory:

Police say two people, including the gunman, are dead after at least four people were shot outside the Empire State Building Friday morning — and as many as 10 taken to area hospitals.

A law-enforcement official said the shooting did not appear to be terror-related, and may have been the actions of a disgruntled employee who may work inside the building.

It wasn’t immediately clear if the gunman’s wound was self-inflicted or if the suspect was shot by police.

So far, it looks like police killed the suspect, but no one’s quite sure if that’s the case or he killed himself. As happened in 1997, there are indications that some of the injured may have been hurt in a stampede created by panic from the gunshots.

NBC’s local affiliate has a live stream covering the story as it unfolds:

View more videos at: http://nbcnewyork.com.

We’ll have updates as the details firm up. Mayor Michael Bloomberg has arrived on scene.

Update: Fox reports that the FBI has been called to the scene, but that’s probably SOP to determine whether terrorism played a part in the shooting.  They’ll coordinate with the NYPD until they can confirm that this does or does not involve terrorism or interstate crime; if the latter, the FBI will drop it.


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They won’t release his name. Any bets? Hazan Imports. hmmm…

Pravda.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Geez Bloomberg is kinda snarky

Wagthatdog on August 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM

women accessories drive me crazy, thats for sure…a coach bag for like 400 bucks!!

t8stlikchkn on August 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM

New York has strict gin laws. People still get shot. Therefore New York should abolish its gun laws, I presume?

New York also has strict drunk driving laws. People still drive drunk. Therefore…?

YYZ on August 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Why does NYPD handle this case, and the FBI handled the LGBT shooter case?

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Why does Nanny Bloomberg’s police force still have those nasty guns?

Kjeil on August 24, 2012 at 11:31 AM

A law-enforcement official said the shooting did not appear to be terror-related, and may have been the actions of a disgruntled employee who may work inside the building.

He must not have been aware that the Obama Economy is doing fine. He could have simply gotten another job.

weaselyone on August 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Why would more gun laws reduce guns, but less pot laws reduce pot?

These NYers confuse me.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM

@Skwor no rhyme or reason, gotta have more guns to solve the gun problem! plus free ammo for kids, lots and lots and lots more guns. more guns for all!! only way to be safe and beat Hitler! if we reduce gun ownership the king of England and China will invade after Obama declares the second coming. You can’t make this stuff up!! we need more guns! Rifles for Christ!!

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM

A law-enforcement official said the shooting did not appear to be terror-related, and may have been the actions of a disgruntled employee who may work inside the building.

He was laid off over a year ago, per Nanny Bloomie.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Why does NYPD handle this case, and the FBI handled the LGBT shooter case?

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:31 AM

The LGBT case happened in Washington which is federal jurisdiction.

Bitter Clinger on August 24, 2012 at 11:35 AM

You have to give Nanny Bloomberg credit, I answered question after dopey question from the elite NYC media types. Try getting Hussein Obama to do that.

Kjeil on August 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

They won’t release his name. Any bets? Hazan Imports. hmmm…

Pravda.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM

His name is Jeffrey Johnson, age 53.

Flora Duh on August 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Plus, it’s a slow news day, otherwise.

urbane effeteist on August 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM

No it’s not.

1. Norway shooter story Sentencing. Not news

2. Tropical Storm Isaac will be a story when it does something. Has been in the papers for four days.

3. Lance Armstrongn There is room for two stories on the front page

4. Ron Paul at the RNC convention no one cares

5. New US drone strike in Paki kills 18

Another drone strike? That’s certainly unique.

6. Todd Akin He hasn’t done anything stupid in days

7. Todd Akin

8. Todd Akin

9. Todd Akin

10. Todd Akin

urban elitist on August 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Someone goes postal and Bloomberg the progressive will seize upon the unfortunate tragedy to further his campaign against the U.S. Constitution. Bloomberg disdains the Bill of Rights. Another problem is that NYC government treats NYC a special exclusionary zone not necessarily subject to the U.S. Constitution in all respects. They treat NYC as an international enclave, rather than a city in the U.S. Try obtaining a CCP in NYC. They have effectively wiped the Second Amendment out of existence in NYC, with the tacit assent of Fed. Govt. It is time all parts of the US respect the Constitution, including NYC.

Tripwhipper on August 24, 2012 at 11:37 AM

MSNBC: Shooter 53 yo Jeffery Johnson

not sure about spelling

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I wonder how many shot the cops fired. NYC cops are famously bad shots. Sucks to be you if you catch one of their fliers.

CorporatePiggy on August 24, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Killed his former supervisor, then ran a block or 2 away where he got in gun fight with 2 cops

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Wait a minute…if he lost his job, While Obama is responsible for all jobs according to Cutter…and Mitt was responsible for a death of a women whose husband lost a job…
Doesn’t this make Obama responsible for this event?

Isn’t that the mindset, rationale behind the liberal mind?

right2bright on August 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM

MSNBC, Witness is saying he lost job 2.5 years ago

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Grey suit and briefcase…sounds like a Republican, that point will be made…

right2bright on August 24, 2012 at 11:43 AM

This is a job for SuperBloomberg!

SuperBloomberg will confiscate all guns, restrict people to a 1500 calorie diet, force them to exercise, and ban profits thereby saving everyone from themselves.

darwin on August 24, 2012 at 11:44 AM

All those who forgot to put//sarc on their posts about how this could happen in NYC with its strict gun laws, I hope you understand that Bloomberg’s argument is that local gun laws are meaningless when someone can drive 200 miles and legally buy a gun. Bloomberg and his ilk want total nationwide gun control on the model of NYC’s or Chicago’s statutes. They also want control on gun manufacture in the US. Events like this shooting actually fortify their cause while many here seem to think it undercuts it That is why Blooy keeps using the phrase “the availability of guns”. If this guy couldn’t buy a gun legally he couldn’t shoot anyone, and give geography if gun ownership is outlawed in the US and manufactures are greatly controlled, it will be difficult for many of the bad guys to acquire guns. That’s the argument gun owners have to defeat.

xkaydet65 on August 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Dude, guns are available pretty much anywhere. Captain Kirk made a frickin CANNON out of an old log and some minerals he found laying around. He even reinforced the barrel so he could use a bigger powder charge! And used diamonds for bullets!
Seriously, look at prisons – you can realistically get a more controlled population than a prison, and they STILL have weapons they make from anything they can find. People like Bloomberg just want more control – they know they’ll never disarm the people.

KMC1 on August 24, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Empire State Building shooting

No, there must be some mistake. This can’t be true because NYC has strict gun control laws.

petefrt on August 24, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Impossible. NYC has some of the strictest gun control laws.

mankai on August 24, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I sure hope the gun didn’t come from Virginia, Nanny will go off the rails regardless but it is his favorite target. So to speak.

Cindy Munford on August 24, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Dude, guns are available pretty much anywhere. Captain Kirk made a frickin CANNON out of an old log and some minerals he found laying around. He even reinforced the barrel so he could use a bigger powder charge! And used diamonds for bullets!
Seriously, look at prisons – you can realistically get a more controlled population than a prison, and they STILL have weapons they make from anything they can find. People like Bloomberg just want more control – they know they’ll never disarm the people.

KMC1 on August 24, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Interesting observation on the prison system. I would wager that there are far more murders per capita in prison than in the US as a whole.

Might be an interesting study on how unsuccessful the ultimate totalitarian state is at building Utopia.

weaselyone on August 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM

2 women, 7 men wounded

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM

MSNBC, Witness is saying he lost job 2.5 years ago

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:43 AM

probably fired by an obama bundler. seems like a good attack at for obama super PAC…romney kills people in NYC……

t8stlikchkn on August 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Twitchy says shooter is Jeffrey Johnson, sounds very Tea Partyish.

Cindy Munford on August 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Sorry if this has been mentioned before (Haven’t read comments), but last night there were 8 people shot on a street corner in Chicago, right in 0bama’s old ‘Community Organizing grounds’.

I said then that it wouldn’t make the national news, because , well, it IS Chicago. But this. Well, let me don tin hat, but there have been enough mass shootings lately to make me think that more than random nutcases is at play here; that this isn’t just bad coincidences, Delia.

LegendHasIt on August 24, 2012 at 11:51 AM

MSNBC, Witness is saying he lost job 2.5 years ago

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Bush’s Fault!

Oops, Bush wasn’t President 2.5 years ago…

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Twitchy says shooter is Jeffrey Johnson, sounds very Tea Partyish.

Cindy Munford on August 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Brian Ross is on it.

Bitter Clinger on August 24, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Bush’s Fault!

Oops, Bush wasn’t President 2.5 years ago…

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 11:51 AM

It was a result of the policies of the last decade that haven’t worked. Never mind that Obama has been President for nearly 40% of the last decade and if you accrue for his time in the Senate he has been part of the policies for over half of the last decade.

weaselyone on August 24, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Unless the MSM can find a solid hypothetical link to the political right, we’ll stop hearing about this tragedy by Sunday.

Liam on August 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Whoo Hoo ! more gun violence, the constitution works!!
Remember we aren’t free people unless bat shit insane people can have guns!! more guns everybody or Hitler wins!! You can’t stop the violence, this is just the system working, we all have to remember that we’re potential victims and it doesn’t matter if you’re armed or not! So live in fear, ride the wave!

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

@Skwor no rhyme or reason, gotta have more guns to solve the gun problem! plus free ammo for kids, lots and lots and lots more guns. more guns for all!! only way to be safe and beat Hitler! if we reduce gun ownership the king of England and China will invade after Obama declares the second coming. You can’t make this stuff up!! we need more guns! Rifles for Christ!!

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM

bat shit insane people

YIKES!!!

Yoop on August 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I’m guessing he answered NO to the ‘are you better off now than you were 4 years ago’ question.

Very sorry to hear about the dead and wounded. Prayers go out to all of the families and victims.

CitizenEgg on August 24, 2012 at 11:57 AM

I’m guessing he answered NO to the ‘are you better off now than you were 4 years ago’ question.

Very sorry to hear about the dead and wounded. Prayers go out to all of the families and victims.

CitizenEgg on August 24, 2012 at 11:57 AM

#NYC Police saying shooter is Jeffery Johnson. He was a designer of womens accessories at Hazan Imports in NYC, a business down the street.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kayna-Whitworth/198203583570026?ref=bf

Designer of women’s accessories?

sentinelrules on August 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Interesting observation on the prison system. I would wager that there are far more murders per capita in prison than in the US as a whole.

Might be an interesting study on how unsuccessful the ultimate totalitarian state is at building Utopia.

weaselyone on August 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM

It won’t matter a bit. You cannot reason with a “Liberal” convinced of their own superiority and moral outlook.

And the real message is that it’s not the weapon, it’s the person. What’s happening in society to create a sense of “normal” out of such extreme levels of violence, AND why isn’t there any fear of acting out? Just like among certain people, there is no fear of going (back) to jail.

A more effective approach is for conservatives to get engaged, take jobs as teachers, put time into our political system through being involved at least on the local level, and shut off the flow of money to “Liberal” sources like T.V., “news” outlets, movies, “art” galleries and anything else where they tend to congregate.

Time to take back our country folks – get involved.

KMC1 on August 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM

@Skwor no rhyme or reason, gotta have more guns to solve the gun problem! plus free ammo for kids, lots and lots and lots more guns. more guns for all!! only way to be safe and beat Hitler! if we reduce gun ownership the king of England and China will invade after Obama declares the second coming. You can’t make this stuff up!! we need more guns! Rifles for Christ!!

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Your straw man is now the size of the statue of liberty. Congrats.

weaselyone on August 24, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Yoop on August 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Given the tone of the comments, I sense a tab bit of projection going on.

Cindy Munford on August 24, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Your straw man is now the size of the statue of liberty. Congrats.

weaselyone on August 24, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Substitute ‘drugs’ for ‘guns’, and see where that plays out for the Left. /snark

Liam on August 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Unless the MSM can find a solid hypothetical link to the political right, we’ll stop hearing about this tragedy by Sunday.

Liam on August 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Designer of women’s accessories

Liam, over/under is now Friday midnight!

socalcon on August 24, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Whoo Hoo ! more gun violence, the constitution works!!
Remember we aren’t free people unless bat shit insane people can have guns!! more guns everybody or Hitler wins!! You can’t stop the violence, this is just the system working, we all have to remember that we’re potential victims and it doesn’t matter if you’re armed or not! So live in fear, ride the wave!

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Talk about bat sh!t insane people…. take your meds and a good hard look in the mirror duuude.

dentarthurdent on August 24, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Here comes Bloomberg, calling for more gun control, blah blah blah.
Or maybe it is soda’s fault, or high calorie food. Bloomberg will have a busy day trying to figure out what to ban or tax next.
This is from a society that has no idea how to handle disappointment except to blame someone else.
I’m so sorry for the victims in this situation.

ORconservative on August 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM

..me too, but cannot help remembering that scene in RoboCop where the insane guy in City Hall was gorging on Twinkies, chugging Coke, and demanding an getaway car that “gets really sh|tty gas mileage”.

The War Planner on August 24, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM

I guess all of use were not created equal…grow up and learn to think on your own, than come back and post…right now we are all chuckling at how cute you are being “smart”…

right2bright on August 24, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Liam, over/under is now Friday midnight!

socalcon on August 24, 2012 at 12:03 PM

If the other inference you quoted proves accurate, it could be by 4PM today.

Liam on August 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Talk about bat sh!t insane people…. take your meds and a good hard look in the mirror duuude.

dentarthurdent on August 24, 2012 at 12:04 PM

..there’s one clown who’s wrapped too tight. Must be pounding 32-oz caffeinated sodas to excess.

The War Planner on August 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM

..me too, but cannot help remembering that scene in RoboCop where the insane guy in City Hall was gorging on Twinkies, chugging Coke, and demanding an getaway car that “gets really sh|tty gas mileage”.

The War Planner on August 24, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Maybe that movie affected Bloomie just a bit too much…

dentarthurdent on August 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Hey Bloomberg, how is that gun ban working out for you. Seriously, Liberals your political correctness and stupidity in pushing gun control, has put law abiding peoples in danger for far too long, for what, so your buddies in the liberal media will continue to kiss your asses. I live in a rural area where gun ownership is a way of life, people hunting and target shooting in their back yards is common place, yet crime is almost nonexistent. Idiots who are bent on doing harm will always try to pull it off, and guess what these idiots go to do their harm in areas where they know they will not meet any resistance. How many mass killing have occurred at a NRA convention, or at a gun show, or a gun range, or a gun shop and so on, the answer is of course none, why because armed resistance would be everywhere.

Beastdogs on August 24, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Has Brian Ross Googled “Jeffrey Johnson Tea Party” yet?

MD11Fr8Dog on August 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Designer of women’s accessories?

sentinelrules on August 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM

..yeah. You know, those cute little purse-sized .32 automatics and the urban ARs with the matching Jimmy Choo heels?

The War Planner on August 24, 2012 at 12:10 PM

If the guy was a designer of women’s accessories, he was probably next heading toward a Chick-A-Fil.

sentinelrules on August 24, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

So Bloomberg posts here under Zekecorlain, huh?

Bitter Clinger on August 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM

I don’t know why the guy would be upset over losing his job. He has Obamacare for his medical coverage, free contraception, unemployment for 99 weeks or so, and a mayor who will make sure he doesn’t drink too much soda or have anyone smoking a cigarette around him. What more did he want out of life?

CycloneCDB on August 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM

1. Norway shooter story Sentencing. Not news

2. Tropical Storm Isaac will be a story when it does something. Has been in the papers for four days.

3. Lance Armstrongn There is room for two stories on the front page

4. Ron Paul at the RNC convention no one cares

5. New US drone strike in Paki kills 18

Another drone strike? That’s certainly unique.

6. Todd Akin He hasn’t done anything stupid in days

7. Todd Akin

8. Todd Akin

9. Todd Akin

10. Todd Akin

urbane effeteist on August 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

1. Norway Shooter Sentencing: 1,800+ stories on Google news, or 500+ more stories than Empire State shooting.

2. TS Isaac: 3,800+ stories on Google news, or 2,500+ more stories than Empire State.

3. Lance Armstrong Doping: 2,600+ stories on Google news, or 1,300+ more stories than Empire State.

4. Ron Paul at convention: 4,700+ stories on Google news. You do the math.

5. Drone strike in Paki: 500+ new stories in past 7 hours alone. 22,000 total Google news search results.

6-10. Akin: 7,500+ stories on Google news.

11. F-

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Wait a minute – are you trying to imply that Criminals don’t obey the law?

Chip on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

+1

Immediate tilt on Left when forced to confront reality that criminals are not, law abiding.

roy_batty on August 24, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I’m shocked…!!! Are you telling me that shootings usually occur in gun- free zones?!!! Even nanny Bloomberg’s own utopia? But… but… Gun laws… // sarc

ptcamn on August 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 12:26 PM

I am probably wrong but I think the commenter is talking strictly about HotAir. Would we talk about Lance Armstrong?

Cindy Munford on August 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM

So many of these shootings in places where you can’t have guns…you’d almost think there’d be a connection or something!

Dunedainn on August 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Designer of women’s accessories?

sentinelrules on August 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Did he recently get cut from Heidi Klum’s show??

ToddPA on August 24, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I hate NYC

MoreLiberty on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Greatest city in the world, no doubt. Unfortunately its politics is dominated by limousine liberals, proggie hippies, and trough-suckers.

slickwillie2001 on August 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM

According to NYC Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, Johnson worked as a women’s accessories designer for Hazan Imports Corporation.

But he apparently lost his job a year ago when the company downsized.

The New York Post reported that Hazan stalked his former boss down the street and shot him.

According to a company profile on ZoomInfo, Hazan Imports employs between 50 and 100 people and focuses on budget handbags.

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM

His name is Jeffrey Johnson, age 53.

Flora Duh on August 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Oh noes, the guy running for president? FloatingTurd will be suicidal.

slickwillie2001 on August 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM

So many of these shootings in places where you can’t have guns…you’d almost think there’d be a connection or something!

Dunedainn on August 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Liberals would call that a conspiracy theory like Birtherism. While also adding Trutherism is a fact.

Liam on August 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Wait a minute – are you trying to imply that Criminals don’t obey the law?
Chip on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

They don’t. John Lott looked into the movie theatre shooting from last month. From the 5 theaters the shooter had within a 20 minutes radius, including one much closer to his home and another one with higher audience capacity, he chose the only one of the 5 that was a gun-free zone.

ptcamn on August 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Here’s the pic of the alleged shooter

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/person-killed-shooting-empire-state-building-morning-rush-article-1.1143522

Very well dressed. Nice hair.

sentinelrules on August 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Wait a minute – are you trying to imply that Criminals don’t obey the law?
Chip on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

They don’t. John Lott looked into the movie theatre shooting from last month. From the 5 theaters the shooter had within a 20 minutes radius, including one much closer to his home and another one with higher audience capacity, he chose the only one of the 5 that was a gun-free zone.

ptcamn on August 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM

You understand that I was being sarcastic in the extreme to illustrate a point.

But oddly enough, it would seem like the Left can’t comprehend that logical piece of common sense.

As to your other point – that doesn’t surprise me at all.

You’d think that if anyone truly wanted to solve this issue with ‘gun-free’ zones – they would get rid of them instead of the guns.

Chip on August 24, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Very well dressed. Nice hair.

Wasn’t he a designer of womens accessories and apparel?

Stands to reason.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM

His name is Jeffrey Johnson, age 53.

Flora Duh on August 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Oh noes, the guy running for president? FloatingTurd will be suicidal.

slickwillie2001 on August 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM

lol, no, that is Gary Johnson.

He’ll be lucky to get 0.5% of the national vote.

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 1:51 PM

New York has strict gin laws. People still get shot. Therefore New York should abolish its gun laws, I presume?

A gun is a tool. it is neither good nor evil. the use one puts it to determines it’s status.

New York also has strict drunk driving laws. People still drive drunk. Therefore…?

YYZ on August 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Drunk driving is a behavior. it has no redeeming quality.

Apples ≠ tofu

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 24, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Last article I read online said 8 people shot. One dead gunman, his victim and the six others, ……………….wait for it……..innocent bystanders accidentally shot by cops. So this is NOT a mass shooting (in the sense that the criminal shot multiple victims.

rayvet on August 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

“Empire State Shooting Suspect Was Fired Worker”
..so clearly OBOZO and his policy favoring mass unemployment are responsible for this tragedy.

TeaPartyNation on August 24, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Last article I read online said 8 people shot. One dead gunman, his victim and the six others, ……………….wait for it……..innocent bystanders accidentally shot by cops. So this is NOT a mass shooting (in the sense that the criminal shot multiple victims.

rayvet on August 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

While I am holding out for confirmation on this, I would not be surprised. Cops are unfortunately less careful in general than they should be in the use of their firearms. I know a few police officers who only go to a range to qualify. The result of this lack of preparedness to use their firearm results in more misses than they would otherwise have and less tactical awareness.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

The result of this lack of preparedness to use their firearm results in more misses than they would otherwise have and less tactical awareness.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Department of Redundancy Department.

ERRRK!

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Last article I read online said 8 people shot. One dead gunman, his victim and the six others, ……………….wait for it……..innocent bystanders accidentally shot by cops. So this is NOT a mass shooting (in the sense that the criminal shot multiple victims.

rayvet on August 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

To be determined. The perpetrator initiated the shootout with the police and may have emptied the remaining rounds from his magazine at them. Since he expended three rounds on his initial victim there was up to five rounds remaining. He missed the LEOs, so some number of those rounds went someplace.

Yoop on August 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

While I am holding out for confirmation on this, I would not be surprised. Cops are unfortunately less careful in general than they should be in the use of their firearms. I know a few police officers who only go to a range to qualify. The result of this lack of preparedness to use their firearm results in more misses than they would otherwise have and less tactical awareness.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

They have already admitted that a number of victims may have been hit by the results of the police having to fire their weapons. But the final investigation will likely indicate that they had little choice but to engage the gunman. He fired on them first. They had no knowledge of how long he may continue to fire, considering he may have inserted a full magazine after the initial killing, and the area was crowded. They had to react quickly with full force.

No matter how much time is spent punching holes in paper targets all the dynamics change when the target is shooting at you.

Yoop on August 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM

The Onion:

Nation Celebrates Full Week Without Deadly Mass Shooting
UPDATE: Never Mind

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-deadly-mass-sh,29293/

cam2 on August 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Awaiting the formal correction: “disgruntled former employee”

Another unintended consequence of OJugEars’ failed fiscal policy… if this guy were working, he’s not as stressed and not gonna kill his co-worker.

Tragic statistic to add to the ‘unprecedented’ administration

socalcon on August 24, 2012 at 3:05 PM

The killer and his victim had a history of problems, with each accusing the other of workplace harassment

Figures, women’s apparel accessories designer.

A police source said Ercolino filed his complaint in April 2011 after Johnson reportedly threatened to kill him

Oh. That kind of harassment

socalcon on August 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM

1 The shooting a-occurred NOT in the Empire State Building but in a building NEAR the Empire State Building.
2 By injecting “Empire State Building” into the equation exacerbates an ordinary, pedestrian “disgruntled employee” shooting scenario and elevates it to the possibility of an international Muslim terrorist plot.
3 If this shooting were to occur in Jersey City, Brooklyn or Queens nobody outside of NYC would ever hear of it.
4 Next story please.

MaiDee on August 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Yoop on August 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM

And yet amazingly there is a distinct lack of IB casualties when civilians have to use their firearms in similar situations.

Again, the lack of developed habits of firing can account for many if not most of the IB casualties in emergency situations. The mechanics of looking, sighting, aiming, and squeezing are not automatic due to them not being trained to the level of habit. It is not punching holes you are training on the range, it is those habits.

A monthly range requirement with minimum rounds expended would greatly benefit all police departments in effectiveness and reduction of innocent bystander casualties.

Police are specifically authorized to use deadly force, and yet are not required to regularly practice the use of their primary instrument of deadly force. This is not an argument against the cops themselves, it is an argument against a stupid policy.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 24, 2012 at 3:42 PM

POLITICS

Gee. The GUN CONTROL capital of the USA fails, yet again to protect everyone with their gun bans. GOOD THING they require all those licenses and that it’s impossible to GET the license because this guy would NEVER have been able to get a gun into the great liberal la-la-land.

/POLITICS

Hoping for speedy recovery to those involved. Glad the shooter is DOA. Thats the best way to close cases like this. DEAD PERPS can’t get paroled.

TX-96 on August 24, 2012 at 4:05 PM

For all those commenting on whether Brian Ross of ABC News is Googling Jeffrey Johnson and TEA Party, I’ll be danged, if he couldn’t have found what he was looking for.

“I was at the Tea Party in St. Paul. I apparently hung out at the wrong end of the Capital grounds, though, because I missed all of those angry, extremist, Obama-haters who I’m told were there.”

mwdiver on August 24, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Does anyone remember when Bloomberg suggested that it would have been “dangerous” if a peaceful individual in that Aurora Colorado theater had had a gun to stop that killer.

For some reason this story is rather ironic. If it turns out true that some civilians were shot “accidentally”. Turns out, disarming the public and making them lambs to the slaughter does not protect them.

fatlibertarianinokc on August 24, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Gee. The GUN CONTROL capital of the USA fails, yet again to protect everyone with their gun bans. GOOD THING they require all those licenses and that it’s impossible to GET the license because this guy would NEVER have been able to get a gun into the great liberal la-la-land….

TX-96 on August 24, 2012 at 4:05 PM

The dirty little secret is that if you are a liberal celebrity in places like New York or Los Angeles, you can get a gun permit or you can have armed guards all around you like Bloomblob.

slickwillie2001 on August 24, 2012 at 6:18 PM

It’s all Florida’s fault – they sold him the gun. Oh, sorry, this isn’t Fark.

Last article I read online said 8 people shot. One dead gunman, his victim and the six others, ……………….wait for it……..innocent bystanders accidentally shot by cops. So this is NOT a mass shooting (in the sense that the criminal shot multiple victims.

rayvet on August 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Great gun control by these NYC cops – guess they forgot to check what was beyond their target – or they don’t care. Maybe there should be charges against those wild shooting cops – nah, that will never happen.

jackal40 on August 24, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Great gun control by these NYC cops – guess they forgot to check what was beyond their target – or they don’t care.

jackal40 on August 24, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Or just maybe, oh infallible marksman, there wasn’t time in the heat of the firefight to think about much of anything besides “stop the nut with a gun ASAP”.

MelonCollie on August 24, 2012 at 7:06 PM

How about a damned update at the top of the story, how it was the police that shot most of the injured?

rayra on August 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Bloomberg: “We are the only developed country in the world with this problem”.

darwin on August 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Bloomberg’s such a moron. And to say that only a day after Brevik is convicted and sentenced

rayra on August 24, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Or just maybe, oh infallible marksman, there wasn’t time in the heat of the firefight to think about much of anything besides “stop the nut with a gun ASAP”.

MelonCollie on August 24, 2012 at 7:06 PM

But to accidentally shoot NINE other innocent people? The gunman shot one guy at work, and zero people on the street. The cops shot NINE innocent people. Pure incompetence.

AngusMc on August 24, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Or just maybe, oh infallible marksman, there wasn’t time in the heat of the firefight to think about much of anything besides “stop the nut with a gun ASAP”.

MelonCollie on August 24, 2012 at 7:06 PM

But to accidentally shoot NINE other innocent people? The gunman shot one guy at work, and zero people on the street. The cops shot NINE innocent people. Pure incompetence.

AngusMc on August 24, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Angus, i am assuming that you never actually been to area around the ESB at all in person….I Have, in fact I used to work AROUND the block (34th-35th street) from where the shooting took place…Hell, I even might even seen this jackalope going to lunch at the Subway or Wendy’s there.

Take a good look at the scene, and especially consider that the area is PACKED pretty much from as early as 7-8am till SUNDOWN, and if the weather is good, and the skirts are as high as the humidty, it’s VERY easy to see how that can happen.

Kudos to my friends/MOS that work at MTS (Manhattan South Pct) and to the guys that cover the Transit Station AND to the other 1st responders….they put the crazy SOB down, and hopefully the life loss is limited.

BlaxPac on August 24, 2012 at 11:27 PM

2 women, 7 men wounded

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Once again, women are under-represented!
Just another battle in the ‘war on women’.
When, oh when, will this discrimination end?
//

Solaratov on August 24, 2012 at 11:53 PM

What happened to the War on Women!

MCGIRV on August 24, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Those New York City Cops are dangerous! They need to switch to decaf.

MCGIRV on August 24, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Or just maybe, oh infallible marksman, there wasn’t time in the heat of the firefight to think about much of anything besides “stop the nut with a gun ASAP”.

MelonCollie on August 24, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Yeah. That “spray and pray” tactic is a sure-fire winner.

Oh well, at least nine New Yorkers are going to get rich – even in d’ohbama’s economy.

Solaratov on August 24, 2012 at 11:58 PM

According to late reports the gunman shot the initial victim once in the head and then four more times after the victim fell to the sidewalk. He then concealed his weapon, a 45 holding a total of 7 rounds, and blended into the crowd. Two construction workers followed him and pointed him out to two police officers stationed in the area. The officers approached, and the gunman pointed the pistol at them. The officers then fired a total of 16 rounds, striking the subject 7 times from a distance of 8 feet. Afterward the police secured his weapon, ejecting 1 round and leaving 1 round in the magazine.

In other words there was no gun battle or crossfire. Except for the murder victim the casualties were all due to police fire.

claudius on August 25, 2012 at 1:46 AM

In other words there was no gun battle or crossfire. Except for the murder victim the casualties were all due to police fire.

claudius on August 25, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Sigh, Annie Oakley the NYPD ain’t. Hmm, what are the odds again for a person being shot by whom now? At least in NYC. :)

Bloomers to blame the evil fashion industry in five, four…

oryguncon on August 25, 2012 at 2:52 AM

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