Empire State Building shooting leaves several wounded, two dead, including suspect

posted at 10:31 am on August 24, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

A man described provisionally as a “disgruntled employee” killed one other person at the Empire State Building this morning and shot several others, before being killed himself. The news broke over an hour ago, but as is usual in cases like these, the details are shifting and contradictory:

Police say two people, including the gunman, are dead after at least four people were shot outside the Empire State Building Friday morning — and as many as 10 taken to area hospitals.

A law-enforcement official said the shooting did not appear to be terror-related, and may have been the actions of a disgruntled employee who may work inside the building.

It wasn’t immediately clear if the gunman’s wound was self-inflicted or if the suspect was shot by police.

So far, it looks like police killed the suspect, but no one’s quite sure if that’s the case or he killed himself. As happened in 1997, there are indications that some of the injured may have been hurt in a stampede created by panic from the gunshots.

NBC’s local affiliate has a live stream covering the story as it unfolds:

View more videos at: http://nbcnewyork.com.

We’ll have updates as the details firm up. Mayor Michael Bloomberg has arrived on scene.

Update: Fox reports that the FBI has been called to the scene, but that’s probably SOP to determine whether terrorism played a part in the shooting.  They’ll coordinate with the NYPD until they can confirm that this does or does not involve terrorism or interstate crime; if the latter, the FBI will drop it.


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I hate NYC

MoreLiberty on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Glad the cops were able to kill the SOB.

The Count on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Dear Lord!

gophergirl on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Obama’s America. Occupy loves it.

Portia46 on August 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Better ban guns, employees, and empire state buildings, its the only way to be safe.

Gatsu on August 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM

How long will it be before the conservatives, Rush, Sarah, or Tea Party is blamed by the media?
L

letget on August 24, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Not to downplay this horrendous attack, but the blather that will come from Bloomberg on gun control will just sicken me more.

mwbri on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Brian Ross: “We have reports that this was planned by the Tea Party”

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

I spent 7 years working right there, only just changed jobs a few months ago. Any shot fired on that corner has the potential to hit so many bystanders…crazy crazy crazy. People are wondering if some of the bystanders weren’t hit by police. There really isn’t a more jam packed sidewalk in the city – any shot, by the perp or by a cop, could hit someone else.

ernesto on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Presser scheduled at 11 eastern…

d1carter on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Wish the “disgruntled” would take it out on themselves rather than involve innocent people.

changer1701 on August 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I hate NYC
MoreLiberty on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

When was the last time you were there?

blatantblue on August 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM

How could this happen? Aren’t there strict gun laws in NYC?

P Opus on August 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Sadly, we will continue to see more of this kind of event.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM

How could this happen? Aren’t there strict gun laws in NYC?

P Opus on August 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM

For law abiding citizens…yes.

Electrongod on August 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Not to downplay this horrendous attack, but the blather that will come from Bloomberg on gun control will just sicken me more.

mwbri on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Isn’t NYC one big Self-defense Denial zone? [Gun-free zone]

They’ve already tried that route.

Chip on August 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Wish the “disgruntled” would take it out on themselves rather than involve innocent people.

Well, this is what happens when people are raised to believe they are more important than anyone else, the world revolves around them, its someone else’s fault, the world “owes” them, and everyone else must “pay” for one’s individual failures in life.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 10:41 AM

So NYC’s strict gun laws didn’t prevent this? I’m confused. I thought surely city and state officials were making the place safer by tightening gun laws.

jediwebdude on August 24, 2012 at 10:41 AM

I certainly hope all those wounded are receiving the best of care and recover fully. Additionally, I hope all those who have been mentally scarred by the event can find peace again in their lives.

But…but…doesn’t NYC have some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country?

Mitoch55 on August 24, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Why can’t NYC start banning firearms?
Mayor Bloomberg is to blame for not having strict gun control laws!

Wait, what?

NYC has the most sweeping gun denial laws in the country???
Guns are NOT allowed in the hands of private citizens???

Well then, this could not happen – could it?

HammerNH on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Isn’t NYC one big Self-defense Denial zone? [Gun-free zone]

They’ve already tried that route.

But that won’t stop them from continuing on that route….if they can’t get the guns, they’ll work to make sure no one gets ammo.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

How could this happen? Aren’t there strict gun laws in NYC?

P Opus on August 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM

For law abiding citizens…yes.

Electrongod on August 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Wait a minute – are you trying to imply that Criminals don’t obey the law?

Who ever heard of such a thing?

Chip on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Better ban guns, employees, and empire state buildings, its the only way to be safe.

Gatsu on August 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM

and firing people. Don’t forget, this guy was apparently just fired so if we ban firings, things like this won’t happen anymore … plus we’ll get the added bonus of no more unemployment. /libthink

Lost in Jersey on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

I spent 7 years working right there, only just changed jobs a few months ago. Any shot fired on that corner has the potential to hit so many bystanders…crazy crazy crazy. People are wondering if some of the bystanders weren’t hit by police. There really isn’t a more jam packed sidewalk in the city – any shot, by the perp or by a cop, could hit someone else.

ernesto on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

It could have been just as horrendous if the perp had used a knife, or a vehicle, or gasoline,or…

Chip on August 24, 2012 at 10:44 AM

The expected response from Bloomberg is to ban the Empire State Building.

VinceOfDoom on August 24, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Not saying that this is one. But, should we expect plenty of “false flags” and “emergencies” after the GOP convention is started and before the assumed Election Day?

By Any Means Necessary

LoganSix on August 24, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Over/under for the shooter being a Democrat?

Archivarix on August 24, 2012 at 10:45 AM

We’re all just imagining this. It couldn’t have happened, because we know that New York City’s strict gun control laws prevent things like this from happening. So it has to be a giant hoax, or possibly this is just a movie being filmed in the area.

PetecminMd on August 24, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Here comes Bloomberg, calling for more gun control, blah blah blah.
Or maybe it is soda’s fault, or high calorie food. Bloomberg will have a busy day trying to figure out what to ban or tax next.
This is from a society that has no idea how to handle disappointment except to blame someone else.
I’m so sorry for the victims in this situation.

ORconservative on August 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM

So sad.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on August 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Well, this is what happens when people are raised to believe they are more important than anyone else, the world revolves around them, its someone else’s fault, the world “owes” them, and everyone else must “pay” for one’s individual failures in life.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 10:41 AM

You just explained the downfall of America in one sentence!

Standing ovation for you!!!!

HoustonRight on August 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Not to downplay this horrendous attack, but the blather that will come from Bloomberg on gun control will just sicken me more.

mwbri on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Eeerily, just minutes before the mayhem, Mayor Bloomberg was warning about the dangers of “too many guns on the streets” on his weekly radio show.

“The argument guns don’t kill people, people kill people is one of the most disingenuous things you can say,” he said shortly before 9 a.m. while discussing tougher guns laws being proposed in Albany.

“It does take a person to pull the trigger, but if they didn’t have the gun… We are the only developed country in the world with this problem.” Source

Flora Duh on August 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Brian Ross: “We have reports that this was planned by the Tea Party”

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM

And the gunman was influenced by Sarah Palin’s crosshairs from SarahPAC.

I hate NYC

MoreLiberty on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

That’s OK…we hate you too! :P

JetBoy on August 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM

ABC is linking the gunman to a Tea Party Suporter who likes Batman movies and worked at a Ron Paul re-election campaign back in the 70′s. They are reporting he used to spend his summers in Alaska.

More to follow. Brian Ross reporting.

jbh45 on August 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Since NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country and they still didn’t prevent this shooting … Bloomberg will now call for a nationwide confiscation of guns.

darwin on August 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Archivarix on August 24, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Knock it off.

pambi on August 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM

The expected response from Bloomberg is to ban the Empire State Building.

Well, he should go the whole nine yards and ban belts, bags, oh heck, all clothing, then no one could easily carry concealed weapons and ammo.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I hate NYC

MoreLiberty on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Thanks for sharing.

You-Eh-Vee on August 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM

+1 faraway

cmsinaz on August 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Enough on the shooting already. I honestly don’t give a shit.

BrianVII on August 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Bloomberg: “We are the only developed country in the world with this problem”.

darwin on August 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Meanwhile, 19 shot in Chicago since late afternoon yesterday. Crickets.

Red Cloud on August 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

How could this happen? Aren’t there strict gun laws in NYC?

P Opus on August 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Wait. What??? Does not compute.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM

that’s probably SOP to determine whether terrorism played a part in the shooting. They’ll coordinate with the NYPD until they can confirm that this does or does not involve terrorism or interstate crime; if the latter, the FBI will drop it.

That’s what happened with the FRC shooting here in DC. But, of course, the media isn’t calling it a hate crime even though that is clearly what it was.

Happy Nomad on August 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM

That’s OK Nanny Bloomberg – keep your focus on the 16 oz. sodas and fries, you idiot.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on August 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Whaddaya know? CNN decided this was a shooting they could report in a timely fashion.

Bitter Clinger on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Meanwhile, 19 shot in Chicago since late afternoon yesterday. Crickets.

Red Cloud on August 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Yep

@toddstarnes Obama notified of NYC shooting — what about the 19 shootings in Chicago last night?

Flora Duh on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

I hate NYC

Why don’t you knock it off with the negative waves. NYC is a great city. Lousy leaders, pols and residents, but that certainly isn’t exclusive to NYC.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Whoo Hoo ! more gun violence, the constitution works!!
Remember we aren’t free people unless bat shit insane people can have guns!! more guns everybody or Hitler wins!! You can’t stop the violence, this is just the system working, we all have to remember that we’re potential victims and it doesn’t matter if you’re armed or not! So live in fear, ride the wave!

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

High unemployment=more violence

You know damn well the left would be blaming a Republican President right about now.

Wagthatdog on August 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Meanwhile, 19 shot in Chicago since late afternoon yesterday. Crickets.

Red Cloud on August 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

19??? Good lord. Chicago = Somalia-By-The-Great-Lakes.

Bitter Clinger on August 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Because after all, crooks and crazy folks obey the laws.////

Idjit.

kingsjester on August 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM

I was there not long after it happened and have just left. A mad and crazy scene :( The tourists seemed to be enjoying themselves though!

Sharke on August 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Bloomie: “We have reports that the shooter bought two 32 oz soft drinks from Chick-Fil-A in the last 48 hours. We are currently investigating this connection.”

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Mommy called – you can come out from under the table now.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on August 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM

In my mind, the identity, background and motives of the shooter are not official until I hear it from Brian Ross.
/sarc

Galtian on August 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Bloomberg: “We are the only developed country in the world with this problem”.

darwin on August 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Somewhat ironic his statement coming on the same day Norway convicts someone of killing 77 people … or perhaps he doesn’t consider Norway “developed”.

Lost in Jersey on August 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Drudge is headlining that the gunman involved lost his job yesterday. Looks like the guy came back looking for revenge and was taking it out on anyone who happened to get in his sites.

Only thing Drudge is doing that ticks me off! Why the picture of the dead body in the street? I mean, come on!

pilamaye on August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Firstly, I know that this story can not be true because guns are illegal in NYC.

So, since there are no guns in NYC there can not be gun crime there.

It is really that simple.
This is the same reason Detroit and Chicago are gun crime free.

esnap on August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Not making any excuses for this at all but he was fired and in the Obama economy he probably felt as though he wouldn’t be able to get another job and lashed out.

Charlemagne on August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Good lord. Chicago = Somalia-By-The-Great-Lakes.

Yup, its competing with Detroit for capital city of Northameristan.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Drudge is headlining that the gunman involved lost his job yesterday.

pilamaye on August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM

What if Bush were President?

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Some Hot Air readers live in NYC too — yours truly being one of them. Not everyone who lives here is a clueless liberal (though, I confess, it sure can feel that way sometimes).

Where this shooting took place is a very busy area that is often crowded with tourists, and folks going to work. Awful.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 24, 2012 at 11:01 AM

“disgruntled employee”

Link to Bain and Romney in 3..2..1..

right2bright on August 24, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Somewhat ironic his statement coming on the same day Norway convicts someone of killing 77 people … or perhaps he doesn’t consider Norway “developed”.

Ya, know if even one of those 77 had been armed or educated to fight back instead of running away and hiding, the death toll would likely have been considerably less. Just sayin’

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Bloomberg probably thinks it’s someone unhappy with the healthcare law.

monalisa on August 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Only thing Drudge is doing that ticks me off! Why the picture of the dead body in the street? I mean, come on!

pilamaye on August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Yeah. Very tacky.

changer1701 on August 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Channel 11 out of NYC is now flogging the Twitter angle; they are breathlessly reporting all of the Leftist New York celebs who are not letting this crisis go to waste so they can push Gun Control.

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Whoo Hoo ! more gun violence, the constitution works!!
Remember we aren’t free people unless bat shit insane people can have guns!! more guns everybody or Hitler wins!! You can’t stop the violence, this is just the system working, we all have to remember that we’re potential victims and it doesn’t matter if you’re armed or not! So live in fear, ride the wave!

Zekecorlain on August 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM

You do realize that his having that gun in NYC was illegal. Care to explain now how those laws prevented this crime, oh wait, they didn’t!

So how again did gun laws help in this instance?

Skwor on August 24, 2012 at 11:05 AM

I hate NYC

MoreLiberty on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Thank you. I live here and pass by the building all the time. And your feelings for the city were shared by 19 freaks from Saudi Arabia.

Sheesh.

Rixon on August 24, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Channel 11 out of NYC is now flogging the Twitter angle; they are breathlessly reporting all of the Leftist New York celebs who are not letting this crisis go to waste so they can push Gun Control.

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Yup, those same celebs who refuse to live in the many bad parts of the city, and exclusively live in the best neighborhoods in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Real men and women of courage are those New York celebrities.

milcus on August 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM

This couldn’t have happened – NY has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, their police force is a true paramilitary force, they have scanners that can see through clothing AND they can “stop and frisk” in violation of the 4th amendment. They have a new software system that monitors every single person in the city, tracks their movements and uses facial recognition and fecal matter analysis.

So obviously this could not have happened and you’re all just a bunch of h8ters because living in an open air prison in violation of American values works!!!

KMC1 on August 24, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Better ban guns, employees, and empire state buildings, its the only way to be safe.

Gatsu on August 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I propose banning clothing and the carrying of any object.

BobMbx on August 24, 2012 at 11:08 AM

pilamaye on August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM

I was just going to complain about that myself !
Geeeesh !!
Wondering how soon it’ll be removed from the outrage.

pambi on August 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Any murder with more than one victim is now front-page news? Or only the ones with guns?

It’s so hard to keep track of the rules nowadays.

ss396 on August 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Drudge is headlining that the gunman involved lost his job yesterday.

pilamaye on August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM

What if Bush were President?

He probably was employed when Bush was president, if he had been on the dole then, this wouldn’t have happened.

It’s still Bush’s fault.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM

So sad.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on August 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM

hey girl. Yes, isn’t it ALWAYS…

I take a tiny bit of consolation in knowing the police
put an end to him…..

ToddPA on August 24, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Any murder with more than one victim is now front-page news? Or only the ones with guns?

It’s so hard to keep track of the rules nowadays.

ss396 on August 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Flyover murders are not interesting.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Any murder with more than one victim is now front-page news? Or only the ones with guns?

It’s so hard to keep track of the rules nowadays.

The only rule is: Use a sensational shooting event and sensationalize it even more to attempt to get more support for gun control and even further useless anti-gun legislation.

hawkeye54 on August 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Wait a minute – are you trying to imply that Criminals don’t obey the law?

Who ever heard of such a thing?

Chip on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

I also read that we’re supposed to stop picking on illegal aliens, ’cause they haven’t done anything wrong.

ss396 on August 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Any murder with more than one victim is now front-page news? Or only the ones with guns?

It’s so hard to keep track of the rules nowadays.

ss396 on August 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Any multiple random shooting, on a slow news day, in a city with more journalists/news outlets per acre than any place on earth, outside DC, it sure as heck is front page news.

Plus, it’s a slow news day, otherwise.

urban elitist on August 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Bloomie will get on the air later today to announce his ban on bullets!

That’ll do it.

pilamaye on August 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Channel 11 out of NYC is now flogging the Twitter angle; they are breathlessly reporting all of the Leftist New York celebs who are not letting this crisis go to waste so they can push Gun Control.

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Yup, those same celebs who refuse to live in the many bad parts of the city, and exclusively live in the best neighborhoods in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Real men and women of courage are those New York celebrities.

milcus on August 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM

The same celebrities that have armed bodyguards.

Bitter Clinger on August 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Any multiple random shooting, on a slow news day, in a city with more journalists/news outlets per acre than any place on earth, outside DC, it sure as heck is front page news.

urban elitist on August 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM

These journalists have felt so dirty lately having to cover for Obama calling Romney a murderer and a felon, that they thought it would be a good idea to get outside, and breathe some fresh air, think of something else.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:16 AM

All those who forgot to put//sarc on their posts about how this could happen in NYC with its strict gun laws, I hope you understand that Bloomberg’s argument is that local gun laws are meaningless when someone can drive 200 miles and legally buy a gun. Bloomberg and his ilk want total nationwide gun control on the model of NYC’s or Chicago’s statutes. They also want control on gun manufacture in the US. Events like this shooting actually fortify their cause while many here seem to think it undercuts it That is why Blooy keeps using the phrase “the availability of guns”. If this guy couldn’t buy a gun legally he couldn’t shoot anyone, and give geography if gun ownership is outlawed in the US and manufactures are greatly controlled, it will be difficult for many of the bad guys to acquire guns. That’s the argument gun owners have to defeat.

xkaydet65 on August 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Yup, those same celebs who refuse to live in the many bad parts of the city, and exclusively live in the best neighborhoods in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Real men and women of courage are those New York celebrities.

milcus on August 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM

The same celebrities that have armed bodyguards.

Bitter Clinger on August 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Celebs don’t “refuse to live in the many bad parts of the city,” they choose to live in the many good parts of the city.

What do you expect – “I have a millions of dollars, but I think I’ll live in a cold-water walk up in a neighborhood where the only restaurant is a Chinese place with bullet-proof glass and cabs won’t take there at night?”

Actually, well-off liberals have spearheaded the rejuvenation of many a dangerous block over the last two decades.

urban elitist on August 24, 2012 at 11:18 AM

OT: Crony Chronicles don’t miss this

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Consequence of Obama economy.

-If he was a Republican.

Ben Hur on August 24, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Bloomberg and his ilk want total nationwide gun control on the model of NYC’s or Chicago’s statutes.

xkaydet65 on August 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Check the Chicago Tribune or Sun Times online anytime to see just how well the “Chicago statutes” on guns is working!

We had like 9 shootings in the city just last night alone!

The “statutes” are a joke!

pilamaye on August 24, 2012 at 11:21 AM

oops, Bloomie says the police may have shot some of the victims.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Bloomberg: ‘we are not immune to the national problem of gun violence”

not a sarc.

Nothing like politics while the bodies still lay in the street.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:24 AM

…why am I thinking about the 71 year old man that legally carried in the computer cafe in Florida?

KOOLAID2 on August 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM

I hate NYC

MoreLiberty on August 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM

You’re right, because mass shootings never happen in say, Colorado or Wisconsin.

athenanyc on August 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM

He was laid off from Hazan Imports over a year ago. Designer of women’s accessories.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM

“We don’t have any information yet… But we can confirm IT’S NOT TERRORIST RELATED. Of course, we don’t know anything at all about the shooting or the shooter, but we do know this: HE WASN’T MUSLIM.”

Funny how the very first thing out of the media and the authorities these days, with any shooting is to assure the Nation that it wasn’t Muslim terrorism.

ericdondero on August 24, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Wait a minute – are you trying to imply that Criminals don’t obey the law?

Who ever heard of such a thing?

Chip on August 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Hold on, just a second, are you implying Democrat voters don’t obey the law?

Kjeil on August 24, 2012 at 11:26 AM

…I hope you understand that Bloomberg’s argument is that local gun laws are meaningless when someone can drive 200 miles and legally buy a gun.

If he drove 200 miles to buy this gun then he really, really wanted to commit this murder.

If this guy couldn’t buy a gun legally he couldn’t shoot anyone, and give geography if gun ownership is outlawed in the US and manufactures are greatly controlled, it will be difficult for many of the bad guys to acquire guns. That’s the argument gun owners have to defeat.

xkaydet65 on August 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM

We had tougher gun ownership laws nation-wide for the last half of the 20th century. After loosening ownership restrictions, the murder rate declines nation-wide.

Is the math hard to understand?

ss396 on August 24, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Shooter was 51, victim was 40 something.

faraway on August 24, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Plus, it’s a slow news day, otherwise.

urbane effeteist on August 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM

No it’s not.

1. Norway shooter story

2. Tropical Storm Isaac

3. Lance Armstrong

4. Ron Paul at the RNC convention

5. New US drone strike in Paki kills 18

6. Todd Akin

7. Todd Akin

8. Todd Akin

9. Todd Akin

10. Todd Akin

Del Dolemonte on August 24, 2012 at 11:27 AM

as long as the guy didnt have a big gulp…..

t8stlikchkn on August 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM

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