Ryan on sequestration: White House needs to “put up or shut up”

posted at 5:21 pm on August 23, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Out on the campaign trail, President Obama is constantly intoning that Republicans’ failure to end the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy — a.k.a., to hike taxes on people making more than $250k a year — means that Republicans are perfectly content with cuts to education, cuts to defense, cuts to public-sector jobs, etcetera, as long as they can continue to protect their precious millionaires and billionaires. Or something. It seems that Republicans’ desire to continue to Bush-era tax rates for everyone is ostensibly responsible for the upcoming sequestration cuts, for our humongous national deficit… basically, it seems, for any shortfall in the federal budget. Which is weird, since President Obama’s proposed tax hike wouldn’t amount to all that much revenue anyway and would come at the cost of economic growth. But I digress.

President Obama continues to blame Republicans and their darned obstructionist Congress for their persistent calls for tax cuts, which he claims is a big part of what’s going to harm the Pentagon, and for agreeing to defense cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling in the first place — but Paul Ryan is having none of it, reports CBS:

Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan on Thursday condemned President Obama in his harshest terms yet for forcing mandatory defense cuts into last summer’s agreement to raise the debt ceiling, saying that Congress has told the president to “put up or shut up” by disclosing how the cuts would be implemented.

Ryan was referring to the Sequestration Transparency Act, a bill that passed both the House and Senate by a bipartisan vote in late July. The president signed it earlier this month, though administration officials have said Congress should devote its energy to avoiding the so-called looming “fiscal cliff” instead of simply probing for details on the consequences.

“The president needs to show us how he plans on putting this in place if he is not going to help us pass legislation preventing it in the first place, so we’re now waiting for that answer,” Ryan said during a roundtable in Fayetteville, home to Fort Bragg.

Ryan also noted that, in the event of a Romney-Ryan White House, their administration would work to undo the automatic defense cuts “retroactively“:

“I don’t want to get too technical, but in January our intention is, if we don’t fix it in the lame duck, is to fix it retroactively once a new session of Congress takes place,” Ryan said in response to a question from an attendee at the defense roundtable.

“Now, we believe that we have a procedural way in the Senate to advance that legislation very quickly and get it to the next president of the United States — who I believe is going to be Mitt Romney — to pass it into law and retroactively prevent that sequester from taking place in January,” Ryan continued. “And that’s our plan. And hopefully, knowing that that’s our plan, that will make it easier for us to get this done in the lame duck, before it takes place in January in the first place.”

Good. I’ve long maintained that it’s pretty darned inexcusable and cowardly that we’re hacking at the military’s budget before even attempting to reform the undeniably-unsustainable entitlement programs that consume that vast majority of our budget and are the long-term drivers of our debt. I agree with Ryan that “the primary responsibility of the federal government first and foremost is a strong national defense” — in my opinion, that’s one of the few areas with which the federal government is supposed to occupy itself, as per its Constitutionally-imposed limits. You know, the Constitution? That old chestnut?


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Biden = lapdog

Ryan = attack dog

Sick ‘em!

Good boy!

Laura in Maryland on August 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I love the boldness on calling out Blightbringer & Co.that we are starting to see from Rx2!

hillsoftx on August 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Paul Ryan on Thursday … told the president to “put up or shut up”

Ooh!

I’m getting leg tingles!

Bruno Strozek on August 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

They need to say it at least ONCE during one of the debates:

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

itsspideyman on August 23, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Paul Ryan fights. I like that. McCain did not.

rbj on August 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Thank You Mr. Ryan !

couple that with Mitt talking about “too big to fail- banking bailout” reform, shifting to helping the smaller community banks more…..

DOUBLE BARREL coming at you…Barry- Barrack- (whatever your name is) !!!!!

FlaMurph on August 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Ryan also noted that, in the event of a Romney-Ryan White House, their administration would work to undo the automatic defense cuts “retroactively“

What a pander-ific joke of a statement. We are spending more on defense today than during the height of the Cold War build up. To say that any and all defense cuts are off the table means Ryan is just as unserious as everyone else in Washington with actually cutting spending and balancing the budget.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Big guns and big cajones. Me likey.

txag92 on August 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Waaayyy off topic but why has there been no thread on the Wikileaks Bain Docs?
Are they bogus? Or the figment of Huff Po?

xkaydet65 on August 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM

It doesn’t do us any good to talk about O on the military unless we paint him as truthfully doing radical or dangerous things. Sequestration sounds like possibly dangerous, and if it can be pinned on O, and R is a remedy, great… for ads. Also, you could show the gutting of NASA in the face of China’s aggressive posturing on both space and its military. I remember a recent article that read “China will own the moon by 2025.” Scary.
Also, HUGE, is to talk in ads about O gutting our anti-missile defense! I think he has, but I’m not up on the details. How could O leave us open to nuke missiles rolling right into our cities?? Well, because, O was never that fond of us anyway.

anotherJoe on August 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Biden = lapdog

Ryan = attack dog

Sick ‘em!

Good boy!

Laura in Maryland on August 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

So, you’re basically saying Ryan is unchained?

txhsmom on August 23, 2012 at 5:34 PM

OFFENSE

The best way to stay ahead of the corruptocrats in their smear game of:

Contraception
Gay Marriage
Tax Returns
Abortion
Race Cardism
Anti-Moromonism

Next Squirrel here ______________

FlaMurph on August 23, 2012 at 5:35 PM

White House needs to “put up or shut up”

FIXED.

aunursa on August 23, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Is it too much to ask for Republican candidates who actually will talk about cutting spending and government? How come almost everything coming from Romney and Ryan is about how they’ll protect government from being cut, like Medicare and now defense?

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Big guns and big cajones. Me likey.

txag92 on August 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Big cajones = big drawers?

J.S.K. on August 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM

What a pander-ific joke of a statement. We are spending more on defense today than during the height of the Cold War build up. To say that any and all defense cuts are off the table means Ryan is just as unserious as everyone else in Washington with actually cutting spending and balancing the budget.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM

One question: Between national defense and welfare/entitlement handouts, which one is specified in the Constitution as a power and responsibility of the federal government?

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Biden = lapdog

Ryan = attack dog

Sick ‘em!

Good boy!

Laura in Maryland on August 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM

You’re making Obama hungry.

portlandon on August 23, 2012 at 5:40 PM

What a pander-ific joke of a statement. We are spending more on defense today than during the height of the Cold War build up. To say that any and all defense cuts are off the table means Ryan is just as unserious as everyone else in Washington with actually cutting spending and balancing the budget.

Bull…

http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/defense-entitlement-spending

RobertE on August 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM

How are those pink slips coming?Haven’t seen a word about them lately.Do those defense contractors know they might lose their jobs?Will they still vote for the O?

docflash on August 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Remember when Obama was in negotiations on the ‘Grand Bargain’ and he huffed out of the room when he wasn’t getting his way?

He stopped near the door and looked at Eric Cantor and said “Don’t call my bluff, Eric.” suggesting that he would “take this to the American people.”

The difference between what Ryan said today “Put up or shut up!” and Obama’s “Don’t call my bluff, Eric!” is stark. It reveals the core difference between R&R and Obama/Biden.

Stepping on his own ego on the way out of the room, angry because he wasn’t getting his way and meaning to threaten, Obama revealed that he was, in fact, bluffing. So Cantor called him on it.

Ryan stands his ground and calmly demands that Obama either “Put up, or shut up!” In poker parlance “I’m calling you. Let’s see ‘em.” Ryan called his bluff, too.

R&R are two very different poker players than Obama/Biden.

We’ve got a winning team and a winning hand.

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM

What a pander-ific joke of a statement. We are spending more on defense today than during the height of the Cold War build up. To say that any and all defense cuts are off the table means Ryan is just as unserious as everyone else in Washington with actually cutting spending and balancing the budget.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Defense spending, as a % of the budget, is down like 1/3 from cold war height. Discuss.

lorien1973 on August 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan on Thursday condemned President Obama in his harshest terms yet for forcing mandatory defense cuts into last summer’s agreement to raise the debt ceiling

What an pathetic joke! Paul Ryan inexcusably voted to raise the debt ceiling and cut defense spending, which was outrage, but now he’s condemning Obama for something he himself supported?

Paul Ryan is just another hypocritical snake-oil peddler fighting a fraudulent partisan battle while the powers that be scheme in secret about what they’re going to shove down America’s throat after the election during the lame duck, regardless of which of the “two parties” wins the election.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM

One question: Between national defense and welfare/entitlement handouts, which one is specified in the Constitution as a power and responsibility of the federal government?

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Because something is mentioned in the Constitution, we must therefore spend unlimited amounts on it? Should we spend $700 billion/year on the Post Office? That’s in the Constitution too.

We are going bankrupt as a nation and a people. Everything needs to get cut by 30-40%. Everything.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM

How are those pink slips coming?Haven’t seen a word about them lately.Do those defense contractors know they might lose their jobs?Will they still vote for the O?

docflash on August 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Yes we know what’s coming – and no most of us will NOT vote for Obummer.

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM

So, you’re basically saying Ryan is unchained?

txhsmom on August 23, 2012 at 5:34 PM

awwww snap! :D

You’re making Obama hungry.

portlandon on August 23, 2012 at 5:40 PM

LOL!

Laura in Maryland on August 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM

It’s interesting that so many conservatives seem more interested in keeping the Defense budget bloated than in shrinking government overall.

Kohath on August 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM

R&R are two very different poker players than Obama/Biden.

We’ve got a winning team and a winning hand.

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Yep- and the libs are playing 52 pick up as we speak.
Desperately looking for the race cards first.

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Because something is mentioned in the Constitution, we must therefore spend unlimited amounts on it? Should we spend $700 billion/year on the Post Office? That’s in the Constitution too.

We are going bankrupt as a nation and a people. Everything needs to get cut by 30-40%. Everything.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM

So in your mind 22% of the budget is “unlimited” for defense, but you don’t see the 70% going to entitlements as “unlimited”?
I’ve got a better idea – eliminate baseline budgeting and cut everything by 100% that is NOT mentioned in the Constitution as a federal responsibility. THEN we take a look at what’s left and how much should be spent on it.

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM

AngusMc – wrong, wrong – taken as a percentage of GDP we are somewhere between 3.5 and 5% of GDP currently (depending on baseline vs special spending), that is historically low by post WWII standards.

Zomcon JEM on August 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I opt for “shut up.”

natasha333 on August 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM
AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:36 PM

.
Do you need to be reminded that the Pelosi congress 1/2007-1/2011 and Reid Senate 1/2007- to present meant that the Republicans were the minority party controlling w/ 0 of 3, and now only 1 of 3 bodies of the legislative process?

Do you not understand what Minority means in legislative terms?

You corruptocrats own this mess. Put up or shut up. (except for budget legislation, of course)

FlaMurph on August 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM

There are two presidents on this ticket…

Biden, here is a suggestion…get sick on the night of your debate and don’t show up…or make sure the questions pertain to how the Republican’s hate women…

right2bright on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

“I don’t want to get too technical, but in January our intention is, if we don’t fix it in the lame duck, is to fix it retroactively once a new session of Congress takes place,” Ryan said

Ryan is indulging in a bit of a fib there. Under the WARN act, employees have to be given 60 days notice before a layoff, which is 4 days before the election. Defense employees aren’t going to wait around for the phone to ring to tell them that Congress has fixed the problem and to forget about the promised layoff. They’re going to be out looking for a new job, probably long before the notice arrives, and the best and brightest will be snapped up by private companies and won’t be returning to government work for a long time, if ever. That’s a situation you can’t “fix retroactively”.

Socratease on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

We are going bankrupt as a nation and a people. Everything needs to get cut by 30-40%. Everything.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Unless Gary Johnson surges before it’s too late nothing is going to be cut. Both parties are promising to increase the debt year after year for decades to some. Gary Johnson is the only one who has indicated he will cut spending and balance the budget.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Couldn’t agree more! Excellent observation regarding Obama/Biden’s cards of choice, too!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

FlaMurph on August 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM

You just doubled his knowledge of history…I hope he takes time to thank you for educating him.

right2bright on August 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Me likey

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 5:51 PM

AngusMc – when you cut the Navy by 40%, don’t worry, you won’t have enough money in the economy to pay for any of the post office. The Navy guarentees the free flow of goods across the seas of the world – and this global trade helps us more than anyone else.

I’m more than happy to look at our military posture, spending discipline, etc. But if you think our budget problem is military created you are crazy – its entitlements – pure and simple.

Zomcon JEM on August 23, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Taking it to Pantload…

… Me likey!

Seven Percent Solution on August 23, 2012 at 5:51 PM

R&R are two very different poker players than Obama/Biden.

We’ve got a winning team and a winning hand.

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Yep- and the libs are playing 52 pick up as we speak.
Desperately looking for the race cards first.

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Couldn’t agree more! Excellent observation regarding Obama/Biden’s cards of choice, too!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Although, now that I think of it, maybe they’re getting ready for a rousing game of Old Maid… considering they’ve got Fluke and two other ‘feminists’ speaking at their convention!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Defense spending, as a % of the budget, is down like 1/3 from cold war height. Discuss.

lorien1973 on August 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM

That just restates what I already know: government as a whole has gotten way too big and spends way too much. Defense included.
Defense spending, even adjusted for inflation, is way higher than during the Cold War. But we have no Soviet-style enemy to fight. Unless North Korea launches a Red Dawn invasion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/InflationAdjustedDefenseSpending.PNG

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:52 PM

“I don’t want to get too technical, but in January our intention is, if we don’t fix it in the lame duck, is to fix it retroactively once a new session of Congress takes place,” Ryan said

Paul Ryan is such a weasel that he openly admits that they are scheming in secret about what they’re going to shove down America’s throat during the lame duck, after the election is over, while both parties continue to argue the same old issues they’ve been fighting about for decades with no result to show for it but a morally and financially bankrupt nation with a corrupt government that schemes in secret and holds fraudulent elections about anything but the most important problems our nation faces, the stuff that really matters, which will determine our future.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 5:53 PM

What a pander-ific joke of a statement. We are spending more on defense today than during the height of the Cold War build up. To say that any and all defense cuts are off the table means Ryan is just as unserious as everyone else in Washington with actually cutting spending and balancing the budget.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM

And in addition – you’re completely wrong on the spending point anyway. We’re spending less now on defense as a percentage of GDP than we ever have since WW2 – except perhaps for a few years in the late 90s.

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 5:53 PM

We are going bankrupt as a nation and a people. Everything needs to get cut by 30-40%. Everything.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM

You don’t cut defense. You do cut handouts to people who are too lazy to work. You do cut handouts to despots and nations that kill US citizens, and who aid and abet our enemies.

You don’t cut defense.

AubieJon on August 23, 2012 at 5:53 PM

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM
AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:36 PM

.
Do you need to be reminded that the Pelosi congress 1/2007-1/2011 and Reid Senate 1/2007- to present meant that the Republicans were the minority party controlling w/ 0 of 3, and now only 1 of 3 bodies of the legislative process?

Do you not understand what Minority means in legislative terms?

You corruptocrats own this mess. Put up or shut up. (except for budget legislation, of course)

FlaMurph on August 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM

What about Seamus ? Huh ? huh ?
/AngusMc August 23, 2012 at 5:55 PM

burrata on August 23, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Has Obama even signed a budget since he’s been in office? I don’t believe he has. Talk about not putting up…

DanMan on August 23, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Although, now that I think of it, maybe they’re getting ready for a rousing game of Old Maid… considering they’ve got Fluke and two other ‘feminists’ speaking at their convention!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:52 PM

lol..old maid, young Ho

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 5:57 PM

It’s interesting that so many conservatives seem more interested in keeping the Defense budget bloated than in shrinking government overall.

Kohath on August 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM

That is silly. One doesn’t exclude the other. You are saying that we should keep entitlements and drop defense so that we can shrink government. The monster at the door that is about to eat us this very day is entitlements, not defense.

To be sure defense money needs to be spent much more efficiently. Troulbe with dealing with defense first is that the Dems will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever cut entitlements. So the trick for the Dems is to negotiate defense cuts in exchange for entitlement cuts to be named at a later date. This allows them to foist off any responsibility to the Republicans and have people like yourself say that they are all the same. They are not the same – the cuts, or the parties.

Entitlements need to be cut first. Period.

oldroy on August 23, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Um, both Romney and Ryan have indeed talked about cutting spending and eliminating federal agencies:

The things you posted are about cutting a few hundred million out of a $1 TRILLION plus per year deficit. You could cut every dollar of non-defense discretionary spending and we’d still have about a $700 billion deficit. The big items are Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Defense. Where are Romney or Ryan’s proposals for deep cuts there?

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:57 PM

The 2012 election is a con. Neither party is talking about the most important issues, they don’t want The People’s input on those issues.

The American voters want to have input on the really important issues, too bad! They are, literally, scheming in secret about how to divvy up how to spend the money and rule our lives in secret, not to be revealed until after the election is over and it’s too late for voters to have a say.

The 2012 election, so far, has been one big con job, and Paul Ryan’s statement indicates he is in on it.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Although, now that I think of it, maybe they’re getting ready for a rousing game of Old Maid… considering they’ve got Fluke and two other ‘feminists’ speaking at their convention!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Do you win or lose if you get the Fluke card in that game?

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 5:59 PM

No one is cutting one thin dime from ANY spending until a budget is agreed to and passed. Romney/Ryan are hitting all the right notes fiscally, and “put up or shut up” is certainly a good campaign jab, but I think they’d pick up a lot more independents if they pushed the Democrat malfeasance issue harder. I’d like to hear them say out right that as president Mitt Romney will demand that congress produce a real budget, on time, and duly agreed upon. No tricks, no continuing resolutions, no debt ceiling BS, nothing. If they don’t he’ll hold them in session until its done. Period. That, along with repealing Obamacare in toto should be job one.

RobertE on August 23, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Serious question..
Any talk of the Chilean model from Cain and Newt? I was quite fond of that proposal and more discussion on it.
Have R/R mentioned it? I haven’t seen a word about it since the primaries..

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 5:57 PM

LOL!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Yup, that bloated defense budget gets to send Bill Clinton and Bush to every corner of the planet, when there’s a tsunami or other disaster, to help those poor souls.

You think Russia, Saudi Arabia or China or the UN will send in the help?

It’s what America does.

You can bet most of the Euro weenies have puckered @ssholes, wondering who will protect them, now Obozo has thrown all our allies under the bus and we will not come to their rescue.

Typicalwhitewoman on August 23, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Yahoo!

peace through strength

go R2!!

cmsinaz on August 23, 2012 at 6:03 PM

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Well, since conservatives don’t play that game, its hard to say… but I understand you do get a lifetime supply condoms with that card!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Ryan to Obama: Put up or shut the Fluke up.

TXUS on August 23, 2012 at 6:03 PM

I’ve long maintained that it’s pretty darned inexcusable and cowardly that we’re hacking at the military’s budget before even attempting to reform the undeniably-unsustainable entitlement programs that consume that vast majority of our budget and are the long-term drivers of our debt.

Its easy.

The military isn’t a constituency group for Democrats.

catmman on August 23, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Well, since conservatives don’t play that game, its hard to say… but I understand you do get a lifetime supply condoms with that card!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 6:03 PM

And free penicillin. Zero co-pay. :)

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Gary Johnson is the only one who has indicated he will cut spending and balance the budget.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

And he’ll only get 0.5% of the national vote.

O’bama thanks you for your support, and for your vote!

A+++

Del Dolemonte on August 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM

I haven’t heard anything.

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

AngusMc – wrong, wrong – taken as a percentage of GDP we are somewhere between 3.5 and 5% of GDP currently (depending on baseline vs special spending), that is historically low by post WWII standards.

Zomcon JEM on August 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Because we have more strip malls, we need more aircraft carriers? Measuring things as a percentage of the GDP is just a justification for more wasted tax dollars and government pork. There is no reason that the United States needs to spend more on defense in the 2010s than it did to defend us from the Soviet Union in the 1980s. The Soviet Union was a far more existential threat to our country than Ahab the Arab with his underwear bombs.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Well, since conservatives don’t play that game, its hard to say… but I understand you do get a lifetime supply condoms with that card!

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Ya – but I think what you get will already be used. And although obummer wants to give her the condoms free, there was no mention of paper bags….

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Erika – what’s your background? I ask because every post reads like a campaign memo.

budfox on August 23, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Gary Johnson is the only one who has indicated he will cut spending and balance the budget.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Who?

AubieJon on August 23, 2012 at 6:08 PM

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Yes… again, a lifetime supply! LOL

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Um, both Romney and Ryan have indeed talked about cutting spending and eliminating federal agencies:

That is part of the con. They have no intention of cutting spending for real, they’ve only talked about cutting spending on Democrat priorities, but they aren’t going to use the savings to reduce the deficit, they are going to spend the money on Republican priorities instead. That’s what the Paul Ryan plan does. Romney/Ryan are still generational thieves just like the Democrats are, they just have different cronies. You have been duped by Fox News and other partisan media outlets, Paul Ryan’s budget in reality does not cut a penny of real spending, it only reduces the rate that spending increases each year, a little. In other words it’s hocus-pokus, a ruse, a con. Both parties and a complacent/complicit media are in on it because they like big-gov too and they get paid millions by both parties for political advertisements.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 6:08 PM

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM

I haven’t heard anything.

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Me either..I was quite fond of hearing more about it..seemed like a good solution to me. I was hoping Mitt and now Ryan would pick that ball up.

Anyone here from Galveston Tx who can comment?

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 6:09 PM

FlaMurph on August 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Talk about a total non-sequitur.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Defense spending, even adjusted for inflation, is way higher than during the Cold War. But we have no Soviet-style enemy to fight. Unless North Korea launches a Red Dawn invasion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/InflationAdjustedDefenseSpending.PNG

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:52 PM

New technology is expensive.

Giving endless handouts to losers and fraud is expensive.

Which in your opinion deserves to be cut the most?

Mimzey on August 23, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Gary Johnson is the only one who has indicated he will cut spending and balance the budget.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Is that googly eyed goof still in the race? I thought he dropped out to have another mid-life crisis.

oldroy on August 23, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Romney’s choice of Ryan as VP nominee is looking better all the time. Ryan doesn’t hesitate to come out and explain exactly what the Republican House has been trying to do, and how Obama is the true obstructionist. Ryan has worked on all these budget items in intricate detail, and he knows what he’s talking about, and knows how to explain it.

Now that he’s the VP nominee, Paul Ryan is out from under John Boehner’s shadow, and he has a bigger bully pulpit, and knows how to use it, much better than Boehner does.

Paul Ryan has totally changed the subject of this campaign. Rather than Romney defending himself against his tax returns and Bain Capital, the campaign is now about positive ideas–repealing ObamaCare in order to reimburse Medicare for what Obama stole from it, shoring up the defense budget, and telling voters what Romney/Ryan plan to do in cooperation with a future Congress, rather than blaming the House for obstructing Obama’s agenda.

Ryan’s enthusiasm is also rubbing off on Romney, who seems more confident, more bold, and willing to propose new ideas in a strong and concise manner, as with his energy plan.

Paul Ryan is a game-changer, and Obama probably knows it–on to November!!!

Steve Z on August 23, 2012 at 6:10 PM

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Yes… again, a lifetime supply! LOL

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 6:08 PM

LMAO.

bazil9 on August 23, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the big O to explain the cuts. Laws, legislation, the constitution mean nothing to him.

COgirl on August 23, 2012 at 6:13 PM

it’s pretty darned inexcusable and cowardly that we’re hacking at the military’s budget

Unless one’s goal was to turn the military into one similar in power to that of the Seychelles or Gambia? Then it becomes the perfect definition of success.

Don L on August 23, 2012 at 6:16 PM

New technology is expensive.

Giving endless handouts to losers and fraud is expensive.

Which in your opinion deserves to be cut the most?

Mimzey on August 23, 2012 at 6:10 PM

All of the above.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Because we have more strip malls, we need more aircraft carriers? Measuring things as a percentage of the GDP is just a justification for more wasted tax dollars and government pork. There is no reason that the United States needs to spend more on defense in the 2010s than it did to defend us from the Soviet Union in the 1980s. The Soviet Union was a far more existential threat to our country than Ahab the Arab with his underwear bombs.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Look, I was USAF in Cheyenne Mountain during the Cold War and I’ve been a defense contractor for 25 years – so I admit I’m a bit biased. Defense spending could be reduced if we made a proper effort at eliminating fraud and waste – and cut the pork where Congress forces DoD to buy stuff we don’t need. But the simple fact is that modern weapon systems cost more and personnel costs are higher.

Percentage of GDP takes into account inflation and other factors to make a proper comparison as to how much we’re spending versus prior history. The defense budget as a percent of GDP is down from the cold war.

And one final point:
How many Americans did the USSR kill?
How many Americans have Islamic terrorists killed?
I know – math is hard. But the real bottom line is you can’t fight terrorism the same way or with the same weapons that we bought through the cold war – so DoD has been evolving dramatically since 9/11.

dentarthurdent on August 23, 2012 at 6:20 PM

The Soviet Union was a far more existential threat to our country than Ahab the Arab with his underwear bombs.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 6:06 PM

One difference between the Cold War and today is that during the Cold War we didn’t have your PC police force preventing – and thereby increasing the cost – of defending ourselves.

AubieJon on August 23, 2012 at 6:21 PM

R&R are two very different poker players than Obama/Biden.

We’ve got a winning team and a winning hand.

thatsafactjack on August 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM

…and that’s a fact Jack!…OH!

KOOLAID2 on August 23, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Unless one’s goal was to turn the military into one similar in power to that of the Seychelles or Gambia? Then it becomes the perfect definition of success.

Don L on August 23, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Yes, because going back to the 2009 defense budget spending (which is what sequestration would do) is turning us into the Seychelles. Because the country was completely defenseless in 2008.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 6:24 PM

The things you posted are about cutting a few hundred million out of a $1 TRILLION plus per year deficit. You could cut every dollar of non-defense discretionary spending and we’d still have about a $700 billion deficit. The big items are Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Defense. Where are Romney or Ryan’s proposals for deep cuts there?

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Wrong again. The cuts I referenced add up to more than 97 BILLION. Hello? Dust your trusty calculator off.

That is part of the con. They have no intention of cutting spending for real, they’ve only talked about cutting spending on Democrat priorities, but they aren’t going to use the savings to reduce the deficit, they are going to spend the money on Republican priorities instead. That’s what the Paul Ryan plan does. Romney/Ryan are still generational thieves just like the Democrats are, they just have different cronies. You have been duped by Fox News and other partisan media outlets, Paul Ryan’s budget in reality does not cut a penny of real spending, it only reduces the rate that spending increases each year, a little. In other words it’s hocus-pokus, a ruse, a con. Both parties and a complacent/complicit media are in on it because they like big-gov too and they get paid millions by both parties for political advertisements.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 6:08 PM

You’re kidding, right? After all this country has been through fiscally with Obarky’s incessant spending, do you actually believe R&R plan to send us over the economic cliff by doing the same thing? And, somehow you aren’t in a parallel universe by thinking Gary Johnson will be our nominee, right?

Slainte on August 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Slainte on August 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM

No I’m not kidding, are you kidding? Are you totally oblivious to Bush’s spendthrift ways? Before Obama broke all the spending records, Bush did before him, helped by Paul Ryan who voted for all of Bush’s big-gov statism. Bush was the guy who abandoned the free market, by his own admission! Bush and Obama both suck, and Romney/Ryan will be just as bad if not worse.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 6:39 PM

The arrogant exchange student has already dealt with this issue by attending a basketball awards event. He has MSNBC working on his rebuttal

Hening on August 23, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Wrong again. The cuts I referenced add up to more than 97 BILLION. Hello? Dust your trusty calculator off.

ObamaCare spending has not really begun yet, so that $95 billion/year cut does nothing to reduce government spending that is happening today.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 6:42 PM

The fact that Paul Ryan is betraying the promise he made to cut spending by voting for this bill once again reveals what a fraud he is. He’s not a spending cutter, he’s a BS-artist.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 6:43 PM

The fact that Paul Ryan is betraying the promise he made to cut spending by voting for this bill once again reveals what a fraud he is. He’s not a spending cutter, he’s a BS-artist.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 6:43 PM

You poor delusional fellow. Poop all over the only way to get Obama out of office because you spent too much time reading Ron Paul propaganda. And now all you have left is my goofy ex-governor.

You poor thing.

oldroy on August 23, 2012 at 6:48 PM

They are, literally, scheming in secret about how to divvy up how to spend the money and rule our lives in secret, not to be revealed until after the election is over and it’s too late for voters to have a say.

The 2012 election, so far, has been one big con job, and Paul Ryan’s statement indicates he is in on it.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 5:58 PM

It’s not too much of a secret if Ryan is telling us what they’re going to do.
Try again.

Solaratov on August 23, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Stinking Stone: “Because I’m much smarter, more Conservative, and a better person than the Romney-bots I’m voting for Gary Johnson (brushman: “who?”). I don’t care if a vote for him eqauls a vote for Obama, it’s all about me. Me-me-me-me. I REFUSE to vote for R&R because I’d rather see Obama re-elected than Mitt Romney be president”.

I swear, the selfishness of these Gary Johnson (who?) whackjobs is maddening. To even for a moment suggest that Romney is as bad as Obama is a sign of a severe mental and/or moral disorder. Even now, there are those who still think it was a good idea to not vote for McCain, and thereby assuring the election of His Most High Obamaship. For all his faults (and they were many), only the most deluded moron would think that McCain would have led us down the path of financial ruin we’re on now. I’d certainly rather see McCain appointing judges than Obama. They most assuredly wouldn’t have been the most conservative, but a darn sight better than we got from Obama.

And while too many are ready to invoke the name of Reagan to make whatever case they’re arguing, I can only conclude that RR would happily vote for R&R.

brushman on August 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM

In other words it’s hocus-pokus, a ruse, a con. Both parties and a complacent/complicit media are in on it because they like big-gov too and they get paid millions by both parties for political advertisements.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 6:08 PM

But that Johnson character can just ride in and force both houses of congress to cut what he says. And make the media see it his way and write nice-nice.
He must be a hell of a guy. Shame nobody ever heard of him – and even less are gonna vote for him (well, for lil barry – but taking the long way to do it).

Solaratov on August 23, 2012 at 7:15 PM

All of the above.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 6:19 PM

That makes no sense.

How can any multiple of things be cut “the most”?

Mimzey on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

That makes no sense.

How can any multiple of things be cut “the most”?

Mimzey on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

If you cut them all equally, by say 30%, then all of them were cut the most. And all of them were also cut the least simultaneously.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 7:45 PM

If you cut them all equally, by say 30%, then all of them were cut the most. And all of them were also cut the least simultaneously.

AngusMc on August 23, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Yeah, no.

That said, which do you think is more important to the survival of the republic…strong and evolving military or evolving welfare benefits?
Just curious.

Mimzey on August 23, 2012 at 7:54 PM

First there is no such thing as “non-discretionary spending” The next congress can cut everything if they want.

Second using percent of GDP understates the defense spending but using inflation adjusted dollars understates it more so…because the inflation rate of key components of defense spending is much greater than ordinary inflation.

The only realistic way to look at our defense capability is the actual number of ships, planes, and combat ready divisions any such comparison shows that we are about at the same level we were at in the before the cold war. Sure there is a qualitative difference (which in some ways explains the inflationary factors) but the simple fact is that our military has been shrunk.

It is also important to realize that the defense budget contains a high percentage of social spending salaries, housing and food expenses, medical and retirement benefits just to begin. When you actually add up the money that goes to the part that fights it’s less than 20%

halfbaked on August 23, 2012 at 7:56 PM

It’s not too much of a secret if Ryan is telling us what they’re going to do.
Try again.

Solaratov on August 23, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Oh, really? Then tell us, genius, what exactly are they going to do during the lame duck?

But you’re wrong, the “two parties” won’t reveal their plans because they don’t want the important issues to come up during the election. They want to wait until after the election is over and you’ve already wasted your vote on the stupid dog and pony show the media has concocted for you, then they’re going to shove the important stuff, the big-gov programs written by their cronies in back rooms, down our throats once the election is over.

FloatingRock on August 23, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Paul Ryan fights. I like that. McCain did not.

rbj on August 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM

He also kept Palin pacing back and forth in the cage he built for her.

Odysseus on August 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

When asked to put up or shut up in the Senate, didn’t Ryan vote for every last bit of excessive government spending laid in front of him? No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, Bailouts for car companies, TARP…

Put up or shut up. hell, even his erroneously vaunted Ryan Road Map does not put up, it plans to balance the budget 2 full generations into the future, LONG AFTER him and those who might vote it into existence are out of power, and likely even they will then spend the rest of their time in congress working to spend more and destroy its prospects for fruition by the end of 4 years.

astonerii on August 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

That said, which do you think is more important to the survival of the republic…strong and evolving military or evolving welfare benefits?
Just curious.

Mimzey on August 23, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Not going bankrupt. So we can still afford to have a military at all.

Kohath on August 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Headline Ryan strikes again — Put Up or Shut Up !

DNC: We’re headlining women for free abortion on demand, free contraceptives on demand, free benefits on demand, free citizenship on demand and we’ll tax those 1% who make more than $250k a year to do it! Who cares if that’s our Mom’s & Dad’s (in whose basement we’re living rent-free) they deserve it!

AACV: We’d like to headline and address the big issues our Nation is facing, namely jobs, getting the economy robust once again, reforming our entitlement programs so that for the most in need, they’ll be there for the foreseeable future; reforming our tax code so that every American citizen has a reason to vote, because they pay federal tax, but more importantly, that every American citizen realize (w/o even examining how the “public” education system has dumbed-downed generations) it not only is their privilege to vote, it is their duty as citizens of this Free Nation.

jersey taxpayer on August 23, 2012 at 9:21 PM

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