Fox News poll of likely voters: Romney 45, Obama 44

posted at 7:29 pm on August 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

Decent sample too: D+4, although I think actual turnout on election day might be a smidge narrower than that.

Romney leads by nine points among seniors and by 10 points among independents, and Romney voters are 11 points more likely to be “extremely” interested in the election than Obama supporters and 10 points more likely to say it’s “extremely” important that their candidate wins. Second look at optimism?

About one voter in ten is undecided or says they’ll vote for someone other than Obama and Romney. Among just those voters, 55 percent disapprove of the job Obama is doing and only 17 percent think the country has changed for the better in the last four years.

Among undecided voters Romney is viewed more negatively than positively by 28 percentage points, while Obama is viewed more negatively by 12 points…

On the big issue of last week, slightly more voters trust the Democratic ticket (by three points) to do a better job protecting Medicare and ensuring it’s there for future generations.

When asked who they trust to improve the economy and create jobs, voters favor the Republican ticket by two points — a surprisingly slim margin in light of President Obama’s negative ratings on the issue.

The good news is that the remaining undecideds out there take a dim view of The One’s presidency — unsurprisingly, or else they wouldn’t be undecided, right? The bad news is that Romney isn’t closing the deal yet. His favorable rating among them is gruesome, and among the overall electorate that’s a depressingly thin lead on the economy. But maybe that’s out of his hands: Some chunk of voters is surely still reserving judgment on O’s economic performance, waiting to see if there are any signs of real growth before election day. If he gets two more bad jobs reports, Romney’s margin on that question will open without him needing to utter a word.

As for Medicare, see why I said in the last post that it bears watching seniors vs. near-seniors?

It’s a 10-point swing from ages 55-64 to ages 65 and up. The only reason Obama leads on the Medicare question overall is because of the insanity of the under-35 group, a lower-turnout demographic. In fact, here’s the age breakdown on the question, “How important is it to you that the presidential candidate you are supporting win the election?”

Older, pro-Republican voters (as noted above, Romney leads by nine among seniors) are considerably more motivated than younger, pro-Obama ones (O leads by 13 among voters under age 35). Makes me wonder what sort of desperate youth pander The One might have waiting for September. Student-loan forgiveness, here we come!

One more data point for you. The first column is “fair,” the second “unfair”:

I’m not sure how much to take from that question. You could phrase the Democrats’ attacks on Ryan in a million different ways and get a million different poll numbers depending upon which pejorative adjectives you use specifically. But as a very broad gauge of how well their Mediscare attacks are working, this seems encouraging.

Via the Corner, Krauthammer’s starting to feel optimistic too.


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Run on popcorn in red states — first week in November.

aunursa on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

As optimistic as I am regarding a Romney victory, I have equal pessimism towards the fact that there are STILL AMericans who think Obama has done a “good job” and that Joe Biden would be a better President than Paul Ryan.

sigh.

Where are these people getting their drugs?

BettyRuth on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Good thing that those under 30 now live with their parent who will beat the crap out them and kick them out if they vote for o.

runner on August 23, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Bottom chart…I’m assuming the first column is “yes” fair and the second, “no” not fair???

stick on August 23, 2012 at 7:33 PM

The bad news is that Romney isn’t closing the deal yet. His favorable rating among them is gruesome, and among the overall electorate that’s a depressingly thin lead on the economy.

Hello? He’s not supposed to have closed the deal yet. We’ve got the convention, three presidential debates, the deluge of SuperPAC ads, etc.

aunursa on August 23, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Onward to November!

Esoteric on August 23, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Skinny-minnie you tube. What’s up with that?

IrishEi on August 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I have equal pessimism towards the fact that there are STILL AMericans who think Obama has done a “good job” and that Joe Biden would be a better President than Paul Ryan.

sigh.

Where are these people getting their drugs?

BettyRuth on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

They’re not doing drugs, they are lying to the pollsters out of fear.

JPeterman on August 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM

What’s going to happen when all the illegal aliens start voting…?

(here’s a hint… look at CA)

… Enjoy the rest of the night everybody!

Seven Percent Solution on August 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Previous Fox poll:

FOX News 8/5 – 8/7 Obama +9

Either a huge change or a very noisy poll.

topdog on August 23, 2012 at 7:36 PM

How is it possible for Obozo to have a chance of winning???

I just can’t wrap my head around that.

KMC1 on August 23, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Last Fox News poll was registered voters and had Obama up by 9 points. Can’t wait to see what happens when everyone else switches to likely voters.

Mark1971 on August 23, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Either a huge change or a very noisy poll.

topdog on August 23, 2012 at 7:36 PM

The change was registered voters to likely voters.

Mark1971 on August 23, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Seven Percent Solution on August 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM

later 7%

cmsinaz on August 23, 2012 at 7:38 PM

because of the insanity of the under-35 group

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on August 23, 2012 at 7:39 PM

The good news is that the remaining undecideds out there take a dim view of The One’s presidency — unsurprisingly, or else they wouldn’t be undecided, right?

There was a local press event by the Obama people today. And since this is DC, it is a little bit more than that. From the news coverage, the Obama people are making the claim that a second term is in the bag because the undecideds are all Obama’s kind of people. Call it what you want but that bravado in the media speaks more of desperation than victory.

Happy Nomad on August 23, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Keep doing what you are doing R&R – it’s working!

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Obama, he kills babies and grandparents, so why is it that the left loves him?

Obama, the man really pushing Grandma off a cliff.

SWalker on August 23, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Was Bret unhappy that the poll was of likely voters? How many times did he have to tell us that polling likely voters yakes more time and is thus more expensive? So what Bret? Let’s go for inaccurate and cheap to keep your Obama love meme going?

red131 on August 23, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Have y’all seen all the movement on the RealClearPolitics page?

SouthernGent on August 23, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Onward to November!

Esoteric on August 23, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Well at least you didn’t say FORWARD to November. ;0

Happy Nomad on August 23, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Why start publishing polls of likely voters? Did Fox News not just had Barry up 9 points with its faux poll couple of weeks ago?

bayview on August 23, 2012 at 7:48 PM

The change was registered voters to likely voters.

Mark1971 on August 23, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Excellent point.

topdog on August 23, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Oh my!

Lanceman on August 23, 2012 at 7:48 PM

It sure looks the ticket is bringing crowds and donations. It’s nice to know the world isn’t single minded.

Cindy Munford on August 23, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Well is it time for the Mormon card yet from Obama’s campaign. I figure that is their last gasp so to speak.

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Decent sample too: D+4, although I think actual turnout on election day might be a smidge narrower than that.

Ya think? Didn’t Republican voters slightly outdraw Democrat voters in the 2010 midterms? I know it was close to even, but didn’t Republicans have a narrow advantage? It will be even bigger in 2012, as there’s so much more at stake.

For Liberals, every election is the same, since they think that ALL Republican politicians are evil incarnate, who represent the most evil people on the planet, by far…….American Conservatives. On the other hand, Conservatives can differentiate between the likes of a Bill or Hillary Clinton, or a Joe Lieberman, and the likes of an Obama or a Patty Murray, or a Sheila Jackson Lee.

So ask a Liberal who’s more dangerous….Romney, McCain, Bush, or Reagan, and they’ll likely shrug “no difference, they’re all monsters”. But ask a Conservative who’s more dangerous…..Obama, Kerry, Clinton, or Carter, and 95% will say Obama (in spite of the fact that Carter was a terrible POTUS, who nonetheless served his country honorably, and was a product of small town America).

This disparity will have a huge effect on turnout this November.

ardenenoch on August 23, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Project a R+3 enthusiastic turnout and factor Bradley effect on polling, Romney by 8…

hillsoftx on August 23, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Well is it time for the Mormon card yet from Obama’s campaign. I figure that is their last gasp so to speak.

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 7:49 PM

ABC NEWS Does Segment On Mormon Church

NBC plans one-hour special on Romney religion

Flora Duh on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Potential problem is, after a brief period after Ryan nomination of very promising polls (as in FL, WI, Michigan), today in a slew of state polls it looks like we’ve taken a sudden sharp step back. The national polls kind of lag behind the state polls. Nevertheless, today we dropped 2 points in both the Gallup & Rasmussen national trackers just in one day (now both have it a tie).
Blame AKIN, or better yet, blame the minority of Republican voters that hold the extreme pro-life view (no exceptions for rape) that enabled Akin to be nominated, because that far fringe viewpoint no doubt was what was responsible for him going off about “legitimate rape.” I know, evangelicals will say that that’s the right moral view, but close to 80% of voters are literally repulsed by that view. I am pro-evangelical, and I don’t think the evangelicals should make this Akin thing their Picket’s Charge, as it won’t help anyone but Obama. Live to fight another day about the big issue: will we even have a country after O is done with it, let alone a perfected idealized country where abortion is outlawed even in cases of forcible rape?

anotherJoe on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

The polls are driving me crazy. Wish there was a way to tune them all out till, say, October.

changer1701 on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

17 percent think the country has changed for the better in the last four years.

When asked who they trust to improve the economy and create jobs, voters favor the Republican ticket by two points — a surprisingly slim margin in light of President Obama’s negative ratings on the issue

…do people STILL live in caves?

KOOLAID2 on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Well is it time for the Mormon card yet from Obama’s campaign. I figure that is their last gasp so to speak.

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Brian Williams gonna tell us all about it in 2 hrs tonite on Rock Center…to be followed by 1 hr expose’ on Black Liberation Theology–oh wait..

hillsoftx on August 23, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Well is it time for the Mormon card yet from Obama’s campaign. I figure that is their last gasp so to speak.

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Too late, NBC will be doing that tonight.

NBC Morman Special Tonight.

JPeterman on August 23, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Obama only at 44%?

Wow, that’s meager for an incumbent. If he is that low right now, what are his polling numbers going to look like when Romney unleashes an advertising tsunami post-convention?

Lawdawg86 on August 23, 2012 at 7:56 PM

anotherJoe on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Could we have just one… one thread without talking about that whom I won’t name.

Please.

MontanaMmmm on August 23, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Well is it time for the Mormon card yet from Obama’s campaign. I figure that is their last gasp so to speak.

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 7:49 PM
ABC NEWS Does Segment On Mormon Church

NBC plans one-hour special on Romney religion

Flora Duh on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

…nope!…the government media is panicking and starting to do THEIR job!…(that’s why we are still confused about Present’s religion!)

KOOLAID2 on August 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I play with Mormon cards.

Rusty Allen on August 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Potential problem is, after a brief period after Ryan nomination of very promising polls (as in FL, WI, Michigan), today in a slew of state polls it looks like we’ve taken a sudden sharp step back. The national polls kind of lag behind the state polls. Nevertheless, today we dropped 2 points in both the Gallup & Rasmussen national trackers just in one day (now both have it a tie).

anotherJoe on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

There’s going to be an ebb and flow to these things, especially in tracking polls. I remember following them when Bush ran in ’04 and McCain in ’08…they weren’t indicative of much in August either time.

We’ve got so many things still to come yet (conventions, debates, possible “surprises”) that could move the numbers, putting much stock into any of them now doesn’t do much good.

That said, of course, I’d prefer he were up by 20 :)

changer1701 on August 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Conservatives can differentiate between the likes of a Bill or Hillary Clinton, or a Joe Lieberman, and the likes of an Obama or a Patty Murray, or a Sheila Jackson Lee

ardenenoch on August 23, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I just had dinner and you had to mention the difenda of dah venables…..Honey, where’s the SCOPE?!?!?

HoustonRight on August 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Via the Corner, Krauthammer’s starting to feel optimistic too.

I kind of sort of remember Krauth saying it was all over in favor of Obama.

VorDaj on August 23, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Where are these people getting their drugs?

BettyRuth on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

From Operation Fast & Furious?

honsy on August 23, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Run on popcorn in red states — first week in November.

aunursa on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

The nice thing will be, the definition of a red state will expand this time :)

thebrokenrattle on August 23, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Bottom chart…I’m assuming the first column is “yes” fair and the second, “no” not fair???

stick on August 23, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Yes

Barred on August 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM

ABC NEWS Does Segment On Mormon Church

NBC plans one-hour special on Romney religion

Flora Duh on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

If they were actual news organizations, they would be doing the pieces on Islam and Hussein Obama’s love of the Muslim Brotherhood..

VorDaj on August 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM

As optimistic as I am regarding a Romney victory, I have equal pessimism towards the fact that there are STILL AMericans who think Obama has done a “good job” and that Joe Biden would be a better President than Paul Ryan.

Yes, you need to help all those idiots understand the mechanics of a balance sheet recession and the simplicity of job growth after most families have lost 40% of their net worth.

Go ahead and cheer on the Ryan budget plan, there’s nothing better than giving the wealthy a huge tax break to increase wealth inequality. It’s great for this country.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/how-inequality-hurts-the-economy-11162011.html
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2011/09/Berg.htm

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM

UH-OH!

Speed up the demonization/palinization in the media narrative. Here is what is coming in the next few weeks.

Ads where Paul Ryan snatches the birth control pills out of the hands of a young crying Sandra Fluke.

Birth Control protestors start showing up at Ryan rallies.

Gloria Allred holds press conference with three women that say they had unprotected sex with Paul Ryan (and he stole their birth control pills out of their purses).

Mormon leaders are “secretive”, “exploitative” and some believe that they will rule planets with hundreds of wives as their slaves.

Mitt Romney put his wife ANN on top of the car and let the DOG sit in the passenger seat.

Mitt Romney had sex with Sarah Palin, the Pope and Putin all at a hunting lodge north of the Minnesota/Canada border this past Summer.

By Labor Day, Mitt will be Satan, Romney will be Satan Junior and Obama will be Messiah all over again.

Check back with me after the Democrat AbortionRapepalooza in Charlotte.

PappyD61 on August 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM

They’re not doing drugs, they are lying to the pollsters out of fear.

JPeterman on August 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Like never before. They are shrewd. Same for the low amount of bumper-stickers.

Schadenfreude on August 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM

From Operation Fast & Furious Murder and Mendacity

honsy on August 23, 2012 at 8:01 PM

VorDaj on August 23, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Romney leads by nine points among seniors and by 10 points among independents, and Romney voters are 11 points more likely to be “extremely” interested in the election than Obama supporters and 10 points more likely to say it’s “extremely” important that their candidate wins

Damned right-wing extremists…

/liberal

malclave on August 23, 2012 at 8:05 PM

If they were actual news organizations, they would be doing the pieces on Islam and Hussein Obama’s love of the Muslim Brotherhood..

VorDaj on August 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM

BINGO! And also Rev. Wright’s Black Liberation Theology.

honsy on August 23, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Herr Hussein Obama’s campaign strategy is inadequate to maintain him in a serious action such as Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will put to him. He has corruption in the coop, hate on the hoof, taqiyya on the tongue and bats in the belfry — that’s his campaign strategy. He can probably maintain himself in the type of fighting Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will give him in Mexifornia and a few states on the North East front. After that it will make no difference how many thousands of dead he has voting for him early and often, and if Americans want America and the Presidency back, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will give it to them. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will make Obama howl.

VorDaj on August 23, 2012 at 8:05 PM

As optimistic as I am regarding a Romney victory, I have equal pessimism towards the fact that there are STILL AMericans who think Obama has done a “good job” and that Joe Biden would be a better President than Paul Ryan.

BettyRuth on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Maddening, isn’t it? They are addicted to the ideology of the worship of the state over the individual.

AZfederalist on August 23, 2012 at 8:05 PM

There’s going to be an ebb and flow to these things, especially in tracking polls. I remember following them when Bush ran in ’04 and McCain in ’08…

changer1701 on August 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM

You are right. I remember a time in 2004 when I was sure Kerry was going to pull off a victory. McCain was never a contender and that was clear from the start.

That being said, I’m optimistic about Romney’s chances. I live in an extremely liberal area and I had Romney supporters show up at my door. Talk about going into the belly of the beast! McCain’s people would have never done that.

Happy Nomad on August 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

They’re not doing drugs, they are lying to the pollsters out of fear.

JPeterman on August 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM

don’t get hysterical, its not becoming.

renalin on August 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

NBC Morman Special Tonight.

JPeterman on August 23, 2012 at 7:55 PM

You think NBC will be doing an hour on BHO’s religion..?

d1carter on August 23, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Go ahead and cheer on the Ryan budget plan, there’s nothing better than giving the wealthy a huge tax break to increase wealth inequality. It’s great for this country.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/how-inequality-hurts-the-economy-11162011.html
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2011/09/Berg.htm

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Did you see this?

Incomes fell more during recovery than recession

“American incomes declined more in the three-year expansion that started in June 2009 than during the longest recession since the Great Depression, according an analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data by Sentier Research LLC.”

Spin away.

Chuck Schick on August 23, 2012 at 8:13 PM

From the news coverage, the Obama people are making the claim that a second term is in the bag because the undecideds are all Obama’s kind of people. Call it what you want but that bravado in the media speaks more of desperation than victory.

Happy Nomad on August 23, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Bad enough these morons that support Obama but how the heck could you be undecided about the guy? I agree with the sentiment that the undecideds will break to the challenger.

PatMac on August 23, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Maddening, isn’t it? They are addicted to the ideology of the worship of the state over the individual.

AZfederalist on August 23, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Text book Mussolini.

VorDaj on August 23, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Yes, you need to help all those idiots understand the mechanics of a balance sheet recession and the simplicity of job growth after most families have lost 40% of their net worth.

Go ahead and cheer on the Ryan budget plan, there’s nothing better than giving the wealthy a huge tax break to increase wealth inequality. It’s great for this country.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/how-inequality-hurts-the-economy-11162011.html
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2011/09/Berg.htm

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Do you not have anything other than the democrat talking points? Are you capable of any sort of rational discussion or individual thought? Can you not look at the BS in articles such as those links you post and recognize the agenda of the writers, the sheer idiocy of calling maintaining the same tax rates as in effect for the last 9 years a “huge tax break for the wealthy”?

Of course not, you are a statist who worships at the foot of leviathan, who views government as the sole source of prosperity and goodness (at least when your party is in power), and looks to the subjugation of the individual to the will of the state.

You deserve pity, but the chains you willingly accept and then want to force upon those of us who love liberty make you worthy of nothing more than derision and contempt.

AZfederalist on August 23, 2012 at 8:14 PM

don’t get hysterical, its not becoming.

renalin on August 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Look in the mirror, pal, being a moby like you isn’t too becoming.

JPeterman on August 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I’m tellin ya, Obama is sssssoooo BAD that,….Mittens will win despite being a squish without it being close and….

HotAir DOES NOT ROLL OUT the humpin robot late on the 6th of November because it will be a yawner.

I’ve made the prediction.

Next prediction: Allah rolls out the humpin robot after the goofball Akins somehow still pulls out an upset win over MaCaskill instead and there are 3 recounts as it is the 51st GOP Senator to get the majority.

KirknBurker on August 23, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Maddening, isn’t it? They are addicted to the ideology of the worship of the state over the individual.

AZfederalist on August 23, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Never thought of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Page, and all the great entrepreneurs and the great innovators of capitalism in that light. Perhaps extending unemployment benefits isn’t perceived as state worship.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM

More reading for you bayam:

Income inequality worse under Obama than George W Bush

No surprise there.

Chuck Schick on August 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

“Against individualism, the fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man.”

“Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived in their relation to the State.”

“The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State — a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values — interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.”

The above are the words of Benito Mussolini and I can see no significant difference, because there is none, other than Mussolini obviously having had a much higher IQ than Obama, and Obama left out the word Fascist, between his words and those of Barack “You didn’t build that (the State did)” Obama. If Benito Mussolini was a fascist, and he was, so is Barack Obama.

VorDaj on August 23, 2012 at 8:18 PM

McCain was never a contender and that was clear from the start.

Happy Nomad on August 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Shortly after Palin was named as VP and before the McCain cabal effectively shut her down, I thought the Palin/McCain ticket had a chance. After his “there is nothing to fear from an Obama presidency” comment and the way that Palin was allowed to be demonized, it was pretty clear we were going to be stuck with the Jugeared communist.

AZfederalist on August 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

ABC NEWS Does Segment On Mormon Church

NBC plans one-hour special on Romney religion

Flora Duh on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Well there you go.

Thanks

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

As optimistic as I am regarding a Romney victory, I have equal pessimism towards the fact that there are STILL AMericans who think Obama has done a “good job” and that Joe Biden would be a better President than Paul Ryan.

sigh.

Where are these people getting their drugs?

BettyRuth on August 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I grew up and lived in the city of Detroit thru college graduation in 1978 and have many Detroit friends/family on my Facebook page. This is a typical comment below – unbelievable.

M Powell shared I love it when I wake up in the morning and Barack Obama is President.’s photo.

PatMac on August 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Do you not have anything other than the democrat talking points?

Yes, Bloomberg – Businessweek is a source of left wing talking points. Good call.

the sheer idiocy of calling maintaining the same tax rates as in effect for the last 9 years a “huge tax break for the wealthy”?

Are you not aware that Romney is calling for even deeper tax cuts for the wealth? Do you have that poor a grasp on facts?

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Never thought of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Page, and all the great entrepreneurs and the great innovators of capitalism in that light. Perhaps extending unemployment benefits isn’t perceived as state worship.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM

You’ve repeated this one ad nauseum and I’ve never understood your point.

People who are insanely rich can afford to be liberal. Those trying to get there cannot. Look at the support of small business owners on Hot Air yesterday- Obama vs Romney. It’s not even close.

Chuck Schick on August 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

McCain was never a contender and that was clear from the start.

Happy Nomad on August 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Shortly after Palin was named as VP and before the McCain cabal effectively shut her down, I thought the Palin/McCain ticket had a chance. After his “there is nothing to fear from an Obama presidency” comment and the way that Palin was allowed to be demonized, it was pretty clear we were going to be stuck with the Jugeared communist.

AZfederalist on August 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

and thats pretty much the way i feel about this election. romney was never a contender. if ryan ever does stick his neck out, he will also be fearlessly demonized.

no thanks, this time around. better on the ol’ heart from the sidelines.

renalin on August 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

It is a lot better than the last Fox poll.

Terrye on August 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Are you not aware that Romney is calling for even deeper tax cuts for the wealth? Do you have that poor a grasp on facts?

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I do and I support it. As a Keynesian, why don’t you?

Chuck Schick on August 23, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Bad enough these morons that support Obama but how the heck could you be undecided about the guy? I agree with the sentiment that the undecideds will break to the challenger.

PatMac on August 23, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I’m not making any comparisons but Hitler still had a whole lot of supporters when he killed himself. This is what you get when you elevate a cult personality. Obama’s political career is based on cult personality. In 2008 idiots actually thought they’d never have to pay for gas again. Hard for a cult idol to live up to hype like that.

Happy Nomad on August 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Are you not aware that Romney is calling for even deeper tax cuts for the wealth? Do you have that poor a grasp on facts?

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:21 PM

You do not know what you are talking. My guess is you do not even know the difference between business, corporate and individual income tax much less capital gains.

Romney is supporting the kind of plan we saw come out of Barack Obama’s Debt commission..that is a plan that lowers rates and limits deductions. It also lowers some business taxes.

Meanwhile Barack Obama has raised taxes already…on everything from contact lenses to tanning beds..and gas prices are up and so is cost of electricity and a lot of that is a direct response to Obama energy policies.

So, while you obsess over whether or not some bad evil rich person is going to get something you do not think he should have…the rest of us are worried about rising food prices and our jobs.

Terrye on August 23, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Never thought of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Page, and all the great entrepreneurs and the great innovators of capitalism in that light. Perhaps extending unemployment benefits isn’t perceived as state worship.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Look up crony capitalism fool. They also worship at the altar of the state, only as it provides advantage to themselves. The entrepeneurial environment in which they prospered, they now seek to limit in order to prevent competition to themselves. Yet those same people you cite maintain their tremendous wealth and shelter it against the possibility of the so-called “fair share” they want to impose on those working their way up now.

AZfederalist on August 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Never thought of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Page, and all the great entrepreneurs and the great innovators of capitalism in that light. Perhaps extending unemployment benefits isn’t perceived as state worship.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM

You’ve repeated this one ad nauseum and I’ve never understood your point.

People who are insanely rich can afford to be liberal. Those trying to get there cannot. Look at the support of small business owners on Hot Air yesterday- Obama vs Romney. It’s not even close.

Chuck Schick on August 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Ad nauseum good choice of words

Brayam certainly has appealed to authority in this manner over and over…you’d think someone so learned would have a new trick.

Brayam you’re a joke and a one trick pony. Get some new lines.

Bray bray.

Idiot.

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM

ABC NEWS Does Segment On Mormon Church

NBC plans one-hour special on Romney religion

Flora Duh on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Well there you go.

Thanks

gophergirl on August 23, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Maybe they could also do a segment on the dog eating practices of Indonesia. I mean come on..Obama did not exactly grow up like the average American himself..why talk about Mormons?

Terrye on August 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Those trying to get there cannot. Look at the support of small business owners on Hot Air yesterday- Obama vs Romney. It’s not even close.

Chuck Schick on August 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Name the great up and coming entrepreneurs who are conservative… Joe the Plumber?

I don’t believe that the opinion of Joe the Plumber and his kind is more important that those of the people who actually create serious job growth in this country- high growth startup leaders. In fact, I tend to give more credibility to successful innovators and entrepreneurs than armchair experts on capitalism. But to the right, Joe the Plumber, Glenn Beck, and corporate hacks and the only voices that are worth hearing. The John Galts of today? Totally ignored.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

renalin on August 23, 2012 at 8:23 PM

For you.

taternuggets on August 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Chart of Obama taxes

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2012/jpg/special-obamacare-taxes-AUG-2012-chart-1.jpg

Brayam go eat horse sh*t. Bray on.

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Romney voters are 11 points more likely to be “extremely” interested in the election than Obama supporters

The only number that matters.

logis on August 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Name the great up and coming entrepreneurs who are conservative… Joe the Plumber?

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Bray bray.

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Were some of you all on here 4 yrs ago when there was some nice gentleman who no matter what kept telling us that no matter what the polls said, McCain was going to win. And he kept implying that there was information that he had which indicated this. And this guy was always very optimistic and really brought most of us to keep our chins up. He was challenged and ulimately made an agreement with someone on here that if he was wrong, he would leave this site and never return. I remember as bad as we felt we also felt bad for him and he admitted in the end that he had been lying only because he felt that if we were optimistic maybe it could really happen. Sometimes it feels wrong to be optimistic; that once again we are fooling ourselves.

Robb on August 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

The John Galts of today? Totally ignored.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Heh. Really? Like that is your hope. You’re a fascist.

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

that once again we are fooling ourselves.

Robb on August 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Well Robby you go ahead and quit. Don’t let the door hit ya in the arse.

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Never thought of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Page, and all the great entrepreneurs and the great innovators of capitalism in that light. Perhaps extending unemployment benefits isn’t perceived as state worship.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:17 PM

They are trying to buy their way into liberal heaven…after all, they have a lot of money so if they pay in taxes or use it to invest in the economy..they are fine.

But you know what? I bet Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and even Ben and Jerry are under the impression that they built that.

The interesting thing is how liberals like you always hate on the rich unless, they are someone like Al Gore or George Soros or Warren Buffet..Apparently the difference between good rich and bad rich is a check to the DNC.

Terrye on August 23, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Name the great up and coming entrepreneurs who are conservative…………

corporate……

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

So you think we should be surprised that liberals like big spending ? Really you don’t think they realize they know how to use our system to gain advantages in the market? That they know that we now get to have OUR KIDS finance their profits?

You TRULY

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM

So, while you obsess over whether or not some bad evil rich person is going to get something you do not think he should have…the rest of us are worried about rising food prices and our jobs.

Terrye on August 23, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I live in a large city and know many ppl who are wealthy. None of them care for a minute if their tax rates were to increase. For people who actually have wealth and continue to accumulate it, a few higher percentage points of income tax isn’t even slightly noticeable, as people like Mark Cuban have explained before.

However, wealth inequality destabilizes and weakens countries. The next great entrepreneur can’t succeed if the middle class lacks the purchasing power to buy a new product or service. This is what bothers the Mark Cubans, Reed Hastings, and Jeff Bezos of the world. Virtually all of them support higher taxes. But wait- none of those men can be trusted as authority figures who lack the intelligence and knowledge of Glenn Beck.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM

you TRULY are not that smart.

BRAY ON.

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Name the great up and coming entrepreneurs who are conservative… Joe the Plumber?

I don’t believe that the opinion of Joe the Plumber and his kind is more important that those of the people who actually create serious job growth in this country- high growth startup leaders. In fact, I tend to give more credibility to successful innovators and entrepreneurs than armchair experts on capitalism. But to the right, Joe the Plumber, Glenn Beck, and corporate hacks and the only voices that are worth hearing. The John Galts of today? Totally ignored.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

You an ignoramus and an elitist ass.

Go do some simple research on what size companies employ the lion’s share of America and stop being so stupid.

Chuck Schick on August 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM

The John Galts of today? Totally ignored.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Really? I don’t think so…I think that is why the unemployment rate has remained so high…Barack Obama has sent so many people into hiding they do not want to risk their capital..not so long as he is around.

Terrye on August 23, 2012 at 8:41 PM

But wait- none of those men can be trusted as authority figures who lack the intelligence and knowledge of Glenn Beck.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Appealing to authority and straw men. Wow.

Nobody here brings up Beck…just you. You’re as dishonest as they get.

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Robb on August 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Manly Rash.

Who could forget that guy?
He said he believed that McCain would win like he knew the sun would come up the next day.

B Man on August 23, 2012 at 8:41 PM

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM

You are full of it. You really are. Do you have a job?

Terrye on August 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Brayam is the corporate hack. These liberal business people are using the system like they always do on the backs of our kids. How many trillion in debt is enough? You got to wonder. Brayam thinks money comes out of the thin air.

CW on August 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

You do not know what you are talking. My guess is you do not even know the difference between business, corporate and individual income tax much less capital gains.

How are you decoupling business and corporate profits?

Romney is supporting the kind of plan we saw come out of Barack Obama’s Debt commission..that is a plan that lowers rates and limits deductions. It also lowers some business taxes.

If you want to believe that…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443792604577574910276629448.html

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Too late, NBC will be doing that tonight.

NBC Morman Special Tonight.

JPeterman on August 23, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Gee I wonder if it will be as devastating as all of the specials they did about the church Obama attended for 20 years…..Oh wait!

whbates on August 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM

The next great entrepreneur can’t succeed if the middle class lacks the purchasing power to buy a new product or service.

bayam on August 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM

And the middle class lacks the purchasing power to buy a new product or service because they’re struggling to pay a mortgage, pay for their utilities, afford the rising cost of groceries and gasoline – all courtesy of the continuing failed policies of the boy king.

Flora Duh on August 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM

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