Video: Noted party boss castigates Akin for not withdrawing

posted at 9:21 am on August 22, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Count Sarah Palin among the politely unimpressed with Todd Akin’s dedication to principle in his decision to stay in the race.  “Bless his heart,” Palin told Greta van Susteren (whose own displeasure is couched in less-generous tones), “but you have to know when to hold them and when to fold them.  Believe me, I’ve been there.”  After saying that she knows what Akin might have been trying to do in defending life, Palin emphasizes that the Senate election in Missouri is bigger than one person.  And if Akin won’t get out, Republicans have to find another way to beat Claire McCaskill — by running Palin’s original endorsee in the race as a third party [see update]:


In any other context, having Palin urge a third-party run for a Senate seat would have been the ultimate slap against the GOP establishment. Now, it might be their only option left, unless groups like the NRSC and American Crossroads are willing to eat crow and place some ads in Missouri backing Akin. It depends on the polling, but it’s hard to imagine someone with Akin’s current negatives remaining competitive for long. In October, McCaskill’s campaign is going to start running ads with the video of Akin attempting to claim that “legitimate” rape victims have super-uteri that can resist rapist sperm or something, and the race will end up looking something like Alan Keyes’ competitiveness against Barack Obama in 2004 — unless Missouri voters have another option.

So, has anyone looked up the rules on independent Senate bids in Missouri? I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s already a matter of considerable research on the Right.

Update: Allahpundit shot me a link to Jim Geraghty last night, who did do the research on third-party bids. The good news? Republicans can get another name on the ballot. The bad news? Missouri has a sore-loser law that disqualifies Steelman and John Brunner. They can put Jim Talent, John Ashcroft, and pretty much anyone else on the ballot they wish — except anyone who was on the primary ballot. Palin actually says in the interview that the GOP needs to run someone like Steelman as an independent, not Steelman herself, which commenters have pointed out to me.


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listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 10:15 AM

All of the best marinades are “God based”.

Rusty Allen on August 22, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Sarah gave us O’donnell and the “I am not a witch” hilarity!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 9:25 AM

And W gave us Arlene Frecking Specter! I think we have more than enough evidence that trying to find the best candidate isn’t an exact science. So how is more “nanny nanny boo boo” helpful?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:29 AM

You lie..:)

I only responded…

“quit making things up.”

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Lol I hope you do realize that responding and being one of the first ones to bring something up are not mutually exclusive.

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Well why don’t you run then Sarah? Missouri should be an easy pick up for you as the underdog 3rd party truth talker, no?

Or you and your family could just keep making reality tv shows and telling people what THEY should be doing from the sidelines. You know, whatever’s best for the country.

But I agree.

Boomer_Sooner on August 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM

COMPLETELY OT:

FloraDuh, of Cindy,
can you comment on this?? Best news in a dismal week

http://www.therightscoop.com/poll-surprise-mitt-romney-up-by-14-points-in-florida/

ToddPA on August 22, 2012 at 10:24 AM

This whole Akin pisses me off so much. Here we have an excellent ticket in Romney/Ryan, maybe more so than people previously realized, they’re raising money like crazy, hanging tough against hundreds of millions of attack ads and slowly but surely winning over independent voters… and this idiot Akin decides he wants to make himself a celebrity and make “legitimate rape” the big word of the campaign for who knows how long. We should be feeling so good right now without having to put up with this idiocy from Akin. This garbage had better be put to rest soon. I do not want this Akin guy hanging around during the convention.

bluegill on August 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM

The problem with Akin staying in the race is that his statements play right into a theme the Democrats want to promulgate nationally — the “war on women.” It’s not like, say, Christine O’Donnell having to deny that she was a witch — the Democrats didn’t already have a national campaign based on trying to convince people that Republicans were involved in witchcraft.

However, for the last few months they have had a national campaign trying to convince people that Republicans are against women, and having a Republican candidate making idiotic comments about rape and pregnancy will be the new Exhibit A for them in terms of fundraising, Democratic National Committee commercials, etc.

J.S.K. on August 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM

That is because you are ignorant of the constitution’s purpose in having senators appointed by state legislators. The House of Representatives represents the people, and representation is therefore by population. The Senate represents the states,

this is where you go wrong, the states also ARE its people! in the end the senators represent the people of their state!

and that is why state legislators originally appointed them. The 17th amendment was no less than a transfer of power from the states themselves to the federal cabal — something which I oppose on principle, let alone all the good practical reasons we’ve seen in our lifetimes to oppose it.
gryphon202 on August 22, 2012 at 10:18

its not about cabals, the only real argument you can have, is “does the indirect election of senators by the state legislators lead to a better political system”
if the answer is yes, is also saying that the people are not good choosing their representatives and its better that some political class in the states does the choosing for them. I just cannot accept that premise!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM

It will be fun watching Huckabee spin his way out of this one.

KBird on August 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Now I see why you dislike Palin…LOL

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 10:24 AM

The only thing nathor likes is the murder of unborn babies.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 22, 2012 at 10:33 AM

See if you can connect the dots:

War on women
Sandra Fluck
Republicans will return you to the 1950′s
Romney is losing the single female vote and now maybe the suburban mom vote

Portia46 on August 22, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Approximately, 1/3 of women will not vote for a pro-life candidate due to defiance, shame or fear of being called a hypocrite:

The pro-abortion rights Alan Guttmacher Institute reports that there have been nearly 50 million abortions performed since 1973, the year the Supreme Court issued the Roe v. Wade decision ushering in legal abortion nationwide…

According to Guttmacher, 35 percent of all U.S. women will have had an abortion by age 45.

Fallon on August 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM

its not about cabals, the only real argument you can have, is “does the indirect election of senators by the state legislators lead to a better political system”
if the answer is yes, is also saying that the people are not good choosing their representatives and its better that some political class in the states does the choosing for them. I just cannot accept that premise!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM

You can not accept that premise, ergo you are rejecting the wisdom of the framers of the constitution. Again I ask, how’s that working out for you? It’s so much better than the system we had in place at our founding, isn’t it?/////////

gryphon202 on August 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM

ToddPA on August 22, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Flora is your woman for this, I am out of the state for a while right now.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I don’t think the comment was derogatory. “I’m not a witch” was one of the most powerful utterances in history. It’s on-par with “tear down this wall” and “everybody Wang Chung tonight”. And if Sarah Palin helped bring it about, then I say, she is a gosh dang saint.

Rusty Allen on August 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I sure you do dear fundie! but this is also the country of atheists like myself.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Yeah. All 8% of you.

kingsjester on August 22, 2012 at 10:37 AM

And W gave us Arlene Frecking Specter! I think we have more than enough evidence that trying to find the best candidate isn’t an exact science. So how is more “nanny nanny boo boo” helpful?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:29 AM

He’s not here to be “helpful”.

kingsjester on August 22, 2012 at 10:38 AM

its not about cabals, the only real argument you can have, is “does the indirect election of senators by the state legislators lead to a better political system”
if the answer is yes, is also saying that the people are not good choosing their representatives and its better that some political class in the states does the choosing for them. I just cannot accept that premise!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM

that post shows your ignorance in regard to the senate. it was not intended to be representative of the people. it was intended to represent the states. the house is the people’s representation in congress. and yes, indirect election does lead to a better political system. there is no chance senators chosen by state legislatures would pass the unfunded mandates and other garbage that has been passed since the 17th amendment.

chasdal on August 22, 2012 at 10:38 AM

The only thing nathor likes is the murder of unborn babies.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 22, 2012 at 10:33 AM

my life dream is to run an “abortion mill” and place all those little chopped up babies before the feet of the altar of the convenience God Baal! /

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Lol I hope you do realize that responding and being one of the first ones to bring something up are not mutually exclusive.

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM

First, your spin is wanting..:)

Second, maybe you should go back and read the initial blog comments before stating ” one of the first ones”…LOL

Keep digging….

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 10:39 AM

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM

The direct election of Senators made it much easier to pass programs like Medicaid. If Senators still answered to state legislatures, they may have been loathe to pass Medicaid because their state legislatures would have said, “Wait a minute, we have to help pick up the tab for this and that’s going to be tough.” With Senators answering to state legislatures, it’s harder for the federal government to swamp states with these type of unfunded mandates.

Bitter Clinger on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Rusty Allen on August 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

LOL! I’m beginning to wonder if there are any “normal” people who run for office. Poor Gov. Jindal, a brilliant man, gets vilified for some college stunt or being wooden on the boob-tube. Do we ever know these people? As for nathor, he has AP out Eeyored ten times over, I’d love to know who he is for because so far he’s been against everyone.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

It will be fun watching Huckabee spin his way out of this one.

KBird on August 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Huckabee better call on Akin to get out immediately.

I don’t want any of this “I can’t tell him what to do and I’ll let him make up his own mind” garbage. Listen up, we’re not playing tiddly winks here, having to be so deferential and scared of saying exactly what’s at stake. This race could potentially have a huge impact on the direction our country takes.

Huckabee, you better lean and lean hard on this guy. You can be polite and tactful about it and even comlimentary to butter him up and give him an easy escape hatch, but you better make damn clear that his staying in the race is NOT a smart choice. Talk about it in terms the idiot will understand.

bluegill on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

there is no chance senators chosen by state legislatures would pass the unfunded mandates and other garbage that has been passed since the 17th amendment.

chasdal on August 22, 2012 at 10:38 AM

how can you be sure? lack of accountability leads to corruption!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

chasdal on August 22, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Bitter Clinger on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

You were a bit quicker than me.

Bitter Clinger on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

nathor ,
Castle voted for Cap and Trade, the energy version of Obamacare, that is why he lost.

rob verdi on August 22, 2012 at 9:26 AM

sure he did, but better him than coons!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 9:28 AM

But better Coons than O’Donnell, right, nathor?

Aitch748 on August 22, 2012 at 10:41 AM

See if you can connect the dots:

War on women
Sandra Fluck
Republicans will return you to the 1950′s
Romney is losing the single female vote and now maybe the suburban mom vote

Portia46 on August 22, 2012 at 10:03 AM

FYI, both Romney AND Paul bashed him for what he said and said he should withdraw. So did pretty much the rest of the GOP. He didn’t withdraw. So what we do is make sure the GOP doesn’t endorse him but at the same time not run anyoen else. Plausible deniability as far as the GOP goes in supporting him. They can’t run anyone else. Without a write-in campaign he still has a chance of winning (Bradley effect, especially among men). With a write-in campaign the seat is definately the dems.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 22, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Rusty Allen on August 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Oh, and do you know how hard it is to keep you mouth shut at work when you have a client named Chung?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:42 AM

ToddPA on August 22, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Flora is your woman for this, I am out of the state for a while right now.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I saw it..not sure what the ? was..how is R/R in the lead and Mack?

It is good news-poll wise.
I have my opinion..but not based on any facts.

I am no fan of Mack but we have to take the seat.

I think the large Latino and Caribbean mix we have here don’t mind his view on AZ law.

Fl is an odd state..I call it 3 states in one. Mitt plays well to the purple crowd..The state isn’t far right.Ryan is really kicking a$$ imo..with the seniors. A couple of my thoughts..

bazil9 on August 22, 2012 at 10:42 AM

running Palin’s original endorsee in the race as a third party

Hmmm…

Constitution Party of Missouri

http://www.facebook.com/CPMissouri

Would this count as a third party run, if Steelman went with that part?

ChuckTX on August 22, 2012 at 10:42 AM

hell no! those congress critters must answer to us!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:05 AM

They would. Via your state legislature. As originally designed.

If you don’t like what your Senator does, then you vote out the state legislature that put them in there.

It’s pretty simple.

The 17th took away the state’s power. Our Founding Fathers understood that all politics are local.

ButterflyDragon on August 22, 2012 at 10:43 AM

“I’m not a witch” was one of the most powerful utterances in history. It’s on-par with “tear down this wall” and “everybody Wang Chung tonight”. And if Sarah Palin helped bring it about, then I say, she is a gosh dang saint.

Rusty Allen on August 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

That’s fine. Now, you RINOs own this one.

faraway on August 22, 2012 at 10:43 AM

And W gave us Arlene Frecking Specter! I think we have more than enough evidence that trying to find the best candidate isn’t an exact science. So how is more “nanny nanny boo boo” helpful?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:29 AM

SPOT ON CINDY!!

And let’s not forget the one, the only

LINCOLN CHAFFEE!!!!!!

Question for all you Palin hating Zombies:

immediately following ODonnell’s primary victory in DE, what
did the Republican establishment and Mike Castle do??

And no, the answer is not “they supported her”
So turn off the Eagles “Witchy Woman” and get a clue.

ToddPA on August 22, 2012 at 10:43 AM

how can you be sure? lack of accountability leads to corruption!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Listen to yourself! You blithering idiot! Where is the “accountability” under our current system?! And are you telling me that we have no corruption because our senators are directly elected?! REALLY?! You selfish little man boy. You really have no idea how petulant and ignorant you sound right now, do you?

gryphon202 on August 22, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Any national Republican or conservative media type supporting Akin other than possibly Huckabee?

NoDonkey on August 22, 2012 at 10:44 AM

MO needs a law like we have in Georgia where there has to be a runoff if no one primary candidate doesn’t break 50%.

Buy Danish on August 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I sure you do dear fundie! but this is also the country of atheists like myself.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Yeah. All 8% of you.

kingsjester on August 22, 2012 at 10:37 AM

and a few more % of people that barely care about religion in their lives. yep, its our country too!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Another moronic statement…:)

Palin never endorsed O’Donnell in the primary.

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Hint: When calling someone a moron, make sure you have the facts straight:

The Weekly Standard:

No direct quote from Sarah Palin yet (update: audio here), but on Sean Hannity’s radio show this afternoon, Palin apparently endorsed conservative activist Christine O’Donnell in her campaign against moderate Congressman Mike Castle to be the Delaware GOP Senate nominee.

You were saying…

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Tom Schweich !

runner on August 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

faraway on August 22, 2012 at 10:43 AM

To hard to work into a conversation and whip the picture out of a wallet.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:46 AM

how can you be sure? lack of accountability leads to corruption!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Your argument is less than weak it is completely false. Accountability is to the state and the state legislatures and the Governor. How did you ever see a lack of accountability in appointed Senators?

Do you believe the only way someone can be held accountable is by a public voting population? How are you held accountable then? Who votes to hold you accountable?

Skwor on August 22, 2012 at 10:46 AM

LOL! I’m beginning to wonder if there are any “normal” people who run for office.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

LOL..I know Cindy..I am thinking it is a per-requisite to have a little coo-coo going on..for those called to serve. :)

bazil9 on August 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

they are accountable to the state legislatures. and the legislatures dont like when feds pass mandates that cause them to then have to find revenue to pay for them. pull your head out and think things thru before posting.

chasdal on August 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM

ToddPA on August 22, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Oh, Lord, I forgot about Lincoln Chaffe! Why do our disasters always seem worse than the Dems disasters?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:48 AM

You were saying…

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Maybe you should go back and read the comments posted after that, you might find the answer..:)

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 10:15 AM

.
I sure you do dear fundie! but this is also the country of atheists like myself.

nathor
on August 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM

.
It’s a country that includes atheists, and always should.

It is not a “country of atheists” or atheism.

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Buy Danish on August 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

AND get rid of the open primary nonsense. I didn’t realize that Missouri had it but a commenter last night said they do. Why? Why does any state have open primaries?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Ending Mike Castle’s political career was a service to the country. He usually voted with the Dems any way.

Thank you Christine and Sarah.

bw222 on August 22, 2012 at 10:52 AM

bazil9 on August 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM

If you have anything serious to hide, run as a Democrat. No one will ever know!

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:52 AM

First, your spin is wanting..:)

Second, maybe you should go back and read the initial blog comments before stating ” one of the first ones”…LOL

Keep digging….

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 10:39 AM

First, it’s not spin when it is completely in line with what I initially said. I notice you tend to call something spin when you can’t refute something.

Second, there’s no need for me to go back when I do recall pretty clearly that you were indeed one of the first ones. Perhaps you should go back so you can refresh your memory?

Here’s the shovel. :)

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Listen to yourself! You blithering idiot! Where is the “accountability” under our current system?! And are you telling me that we have no corruption because our senators are directly elected?! REALLY?! You selfish little man boy. You really have no idea how petulant and ignorant you sound right now, do you?

gryphon202 on August 22, 2012 at 10:44 AM

we disagree, lets move on.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

LOL! I’m beginning to wonder if there are any “normal” people who run for office.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM

.
(expletive) NO ! . . . Normal people have better things to do.

Normal people have to be nominated against their will, and dragged “kicking and screaming” in.

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

bazil9 on August 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM

If you have anything serious to hide, run as a Democrat. No one will ever know!

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:52 AM

:) lol

Cool, I will throw a D in front of my name and run then..shhhhh :)
We will fool them. Operation B9.

bazil9 on August 22, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Oh, Lord, I forgot about Lincoln Chaffe! Why do our disasters always seem worse than the Dems disasters?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:48 AM

‘Cause being Democrat means never having to say your sorry.?..

Fallon on August 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Maybe you should go back and read the comments posted after that, you might find the answer..:)

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I found the answer in your first post.

The answer was “False”.

As usual.

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

just give it up, you dont have the palinista decoder ring so you will never ever be able to understand what she says, what the ‘nistas spin it as, etc etc

chasdal on August 22, 2012 at 10:56 AM

It’s a country that includes atheists, and always should.

It is not a “country of atheists” or atheism.

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM

cool, this is a country of all its citizens, christians and atheists! the country is not of god, but of its people, be them religious or not.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM

its not about cabals, the only real argument you can have, is “does the indirect election of senators by the state legislators lead to a better political system”
if the answer is yes, is also saying that the people are not good choosing their representatives and its better that some political class in the states does the choosing for them. I just cannot accept that premise!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM

The 17th Amendment is one of the creations of the most destructive Progressive of all time – William Jennings Bryan. If you want to understand the bloodless coup of the Progressive Era you should begin with a few biographies of Bryan.

Here is a little primer about the failure of the 17th Amendment:

The result of the framers’ deliberations was a tripartite division of political power among representatives chosen directly by the people, senators chosen by state legislatures, and a chief executive chosen by a temporary college of electors selected specifically for that purpose, either directly by the legislatures or in the manner they prescribed. Thus, while all political power ultimately derived from the people, each branch answered in an immediate way to an essentially different constituency from that of the others, and was thus considered less liable to fall victim to the same errors, the same impulses, or the same corrupting influences.13 By giving each department a “will of its own” with “as little agency as possible in the appointment of the members of the others,” the Constitution fragmented the power of the majority, deliberately supplying “opposite and rival interests” as a more reliable guarantee of individual freedom and minority rights than could reasonably be expected from merely relying on the good will of the superior number of citizens.

Assuming that the arbitrary use of power was less likely to occur when the will of the sovereign was subject to delay before committing the government to action, the founders recognized that “the power of preventing bad laws includes that of preventing good ones,” but it was a trade they were willing to make. According to Alexander Hamilton, anyone acquainted with the tendencies of American politics “would consider every institution calculated to restrain the excess of law-making, and to keep things in the same state in which they happen to be at any given period, as more likely to do good than harm; because it is favorable to greater stability in legislation.”

The original selection of Senators empowered the people and their States and gave balance to the Government. The 17th Amendment removed that power and made the Senate a duplicative body of the House. What purpose does a duplicative body serve?

batterup on August 22, 2012 at 10:59 AM

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM

You are to be pitied.

kingsjester on August 22, 2012 at 11:00 AM

MO needs a law like we have in Georgia where there has to be a runoff if no one primary candidate doesn’t break 50%.

Buy Danish on August 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

AND get rid of the open primary nonsense. I didn’t realize that Missouri had it but a commenter last night said they do. Why? Why does any state have open primaries?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:51 AM

YES and YES

ToddPA on August 22, 2012 at 11:01 AM

All that said, I’m disgusted with Akin’s “legitimate” remark but I am more disgusted with the circus this has become, with our help.

Fallon on August 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Interesting that many other candidates endured national/blog approval/disapproval – as seen by Christine O’Donnell even now long after the fact – but MO is entitled to select or not select this AH without outside interference.

Exactly how was ODonnell’s witch comment anywhere near as offensive than Akins – “legitimate rape” comment that offended a sizable portion of voters and gave fuel to the libs mantra the Republicans hate women?

If state’s rights mean the rest of us are supposed to sit quietly while another state elects a total loon to national office – then I don’t believe in that version.

katiejane on August 22, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Buy Danish on August 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM

.
AND get rid of the open primary nonsense. I didn’t realize that Missouri had it but a commenter last night said they do. Why? Why does any state have open primaries?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:51 AM

.
I don’t know if my (multiple) posts were what you saw, or not.

I’ve been trying since the 2008 election to tell people that it is a combination of the Super Delegates, and “open primaries” that have given us most of our Progressive Republicans in recent times.
The Super Delegates have left registered Democrats feeling as if their vote in a primary doesn’t count, anymore.
So they crossover (in states that allow it) and vote for the Progressive Republican candidate.

If not for the Super Delegates, I believe Hillary would have won the 2008 Dem primary.

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 11:05 AM

If Sarah Palin carried any weight in MO, her pick would have won the primary.

Palin is only important in the cocooned socon world. You don’t see Romney calling her up.

Moesart on August 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM

cool, this is a country of all its citizens, christians and atheists! the country is not of god, but of its people, be them religious or not.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM

You are to be pitied.

kingsjester on August 22, 2012 at 11:00 AM

why? really? are you offended by what I said?

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM

First, it’s not spin when it is completely in line with what I initially said. I notice you tend to call something spin when you can’t refute something.

Second, there’s no need for me to go back when I do recall pretty clearly that you were indeed one of the first ones. Perhaps you should go back so you can refresh your memory?

Here’s the shovel. :)

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Hey moron, just for you..:)

First, it’s not spin when it is completely in line with what I initially said. I notice you tend to call something spin when you can’t refute something.

Second, there’s no need for me to go back when I do recall pretty clearly that you were indeed one of the first ones. Perhaps you should go back so you can refresh your memory?

Here’s the shovel. :)

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Your recollection is as faulty as your logic..:)

Sorry Ed. She didn’t say Steelman should run 3rd party. She said someone like Steelman should run 3rd party.

And that’s all I’m gonna say about that.

Flora Duh on August 22, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Yes. She said like Steelman.

bazil9 on August 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Oh, please. You think she meant like as in similar?

This is spin and rationalization at its worst.

Dante on August 22, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Try exercising some of your nom de plume, She said someone like Steelman should run 3rd party.

Always so many to rush judgment on her only to continually be embarrassed.

Skwor on August 22, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Oh, please. You think she meant like as in similar?

This is spin and rationalization at its worst.

Dante on August 22, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Your behaving like a hack

Oh sorry by your logic you MUST actually be a hack.

Skwor on August 22, 2012 at 9:51 AM

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM

we disagree, lets move on.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Running from history doesn’t fix your purposeful ignorance of history.

batterup on August 22, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Fallon on August 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Both Akin’s opponents in the Primary were pro-life candidates. This is not about pro-life, it’s about Obama’s Machiavellian campaign.

Portia46 on August 22, 2012 at 11:09 AM

The Republicans tried a third party challenge in the Colorado gubernatorial race in 2010 when Dan Maes (the R) blew up and refused to drop out. The result was an easy victory for the Democrat, because Republican and independent votes split substantially.

Conservatives turned to Ross Perot as an alternative to Bush 41. The result was a Clinton victory.

This tactic never works for Republicans. It isn’t worth the trouble.

Outlander on August 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM

The difference in both is that the alternative was not as awful as CM. She has been a horrific Senator. And she is no Hickenlooper or Clinton in terms of popularity.

I never said it would be easy, but with the right candidate, it is possible.

milcus on August 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM

I find this whole Akin thing amusing.

First, the man is a dolt for using a poor choice of words… I can’t imagine where he was going with that idea, anyways.

Second, the ‘furor’ is beginning to reach the din of the Palin-era anger by ‘conservatives’ led by Rove in 2008 (ironically Palin and Rove are ‘bedfellows’ now on this Akin thing).

Last, its really up to Akin’s constituents. Who says they won’t elect a moron? Happens all the time. Don’t beleive me? See, Reid (NV) and Franken (MN).

socalcon on August 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Fallon on August 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM

LOL! How fitting a vacuous movie where everyone lives and dies on emotions and little cliches! It has Democrat written all over it.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 11:11 AM

A little birdy needs to tell the staff of assclown Akin that when this goes down, they will never work another campaign again. They will be personas non grada at the very least. They will need to sell used cars.

Robb on August 22, 2012 at 11:11 AM

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM

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cool, this is a country of all its citizens, christians and atheists! the country is not of god, but of its people, be them religious or not.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM

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Disagreement # . . . . . (crap, I lost count).

All countries are nations of laws (or lack thereof), not people.

The Declaration’ and The Constitution are based on the God of the Bible, by deliberate design on the part of the forefathers.

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 11:12 AM

The original selection of Senators empowered the people and their States and gave balance to the Government. The 17th Amendment removed that power and made the Senate a duplicative body of the House. What purpose does a duplicative body serve?

batterup on August 22, 2012 at 10:59 AM

my 2 cents is that states with small populations, despite their specific necessities would be underrepresented against the populous states if there was no senate. This was especially important to convincing new states to join the union and assure them that their interests would be equally defended in the US congress despite their small population.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Moesart on August 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM

I am unfamiliar with the word “socon”. Can you illuminate me?

socalcon on August 22, 2012 at 11:14 AM

If Sarah Palin carried any weight in MO, her pick would have won the primary.

Palin is only important in the cocooned socon world. You don’t see Romney calling her up.

Moesart on August 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Wow, hey everyone! Moesart works for the ROMNEY CAMPAIGN!!!

Congratulations! Why didn’t you tell us earlier??

ToddPA on August 22, 2012 at 11:16 AM

why? really? are you offended by what I said?

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM

The majority of posters and lurkers here are offended by what you say…or they just laugh at you and shake their heads.

kingsjester on August 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Hey moron, just for you..:)

Your recollection is as faulty as your logic..:)

Sorry Ed. She didn’t say Steelman should run 3rd party. She said someone like Steelman should run 3rd party.

And that’s all I’m gonna say about that.

Flora Duh on August 22, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Yes. She said like Steelman.

bazil9 on August 22, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Oh, please. You think she meant like as in similar?

This is spin and rationalization at its worst.

Dante on August 22, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Try exercising some of your nom de plume, She said someone like Steelman should run 3rd party.

Always so many to rush judgment on her only to continually be embarrassed.

Skwor on August 22, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Oh, please. You think she meant like as in similar?

This is spin and rationalization at its worst.

Dante on August 22, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Your behaving like a hack

Oh sorry by your logic you MUST actually be a hack.

Skwor on August 22, 2012 at 9:51 AM

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Tsk tsk. Rule #1 of calling someone a moron: make sure you don’t look like a moron yourself.

Perhaps you remember stating this?

She obviously didn’t read the law in Missouri and realize she can’t run!

mrscullen on August 21, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Obviously you can’t read, Palin said someone like Steelman.

idesign on August 21, 2012 at 11:18 PM

You’re welcome and apology accepted.

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I cannot believe the Akin-bashing is still going on. On a personal level, I can see why some dislike him because his grasp of biology and I’m-always-right attitude reminds me of the pompous principal I had in (Christian) high school. But despite suffering often from foot-in-mouth disease, I had no doubts where that guy stood on protecting the unborn–which I imagine is similar with Akin.

That being said, until Clinton is removed from the DNC convention for actually raping someone, until Biden is removed for using racist comments, until Obama is removed for feloniously forging documents, until Whoopi Goldberg is fired for talking about “rape rape”, then there is no reason why Akin should have to drop out.

Nutstuyu on August 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Palin actually says in the interview that the GOP needs to run someone like Steelman as an independent, not Steelman herself, which commenters have pointed out to me.

Perhaps if the pulled a Democrat trick and ran Steelman’s dog…. It would have full protection from the Dems attack as we saw how they felt about poor Seamus. After the election, Steelman could share the office with Senator Pooch who at least might have the courage to growl at the democrats now and then.

Don L on August 22, 2012 at 11:20 AM

AND get rid of the open primary nonsense. I didn’t realize that Missouri had it but a commenter last night said they do. Why? Why does any state have open primaries?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Some states have open primaries based on principle. Taxpayers are footing the bill for the party primary, so all eligible voters should be able to vote in it.

A better way is to completely end all taxpayer funding for party election and have the parties pay the cost for closed primaries.

AngusMc on August 22, 2012 at 11:20 AM

its not about cabals, the only real argument you can have, is “does the indirect election of senators by the state legislators lead to a better political system”
if the answer is yes, is also saying that the people are not good choosing their representatives and its better that some political class in the states does the choosing for them. I just cannot accept that premise!

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Or we could compromise and try both at the same time. Which we already did. Undecided if it was better or not.

ctwelve on August 22, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Heard this on one of the talk shows last night. Akin needs to go but he’s got advisers who want to keep their jobs so they tell him he can win, this will blow over and he needs to stay in the race. Maybe he was a stealth candidate for C.M. and there were a lot of cross over voters. The dems must have a lot more of our money than we thought if they can buy this election away from the people in MO. All of this doesn’t matter on Nov 6th. We need this win if we’re going to repeal Ocare, get rid of Reid, and have the senate do their job of producing a budget! Maybe some of the waste President Romney can eliminate is the Homeland Security purchase of hollow point ammo.

Kissmygrits on August 22, 2012 at 11:21 AM

That being said, until Clinton is removed from the DNC convention for actually raping someone, until Biden is removed for using racist comments, until Obama is removed for feloniously forging documents, until Whoopi Goldberg is fired for talking about “rape rape”, then there is no reason why Akin should have to drop out.

Nutstuyu on August 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Um, we all know full well about the double standard. Does that mean we should excuse our own side’s screw-ups? Whining about the double standard and declaring, “we won’t concede until you guys do first, so there!” might make you feel good like you’re sticking to some principle of fairness, but it’s just stupid! Like it or not, we have to accept the political reality, play smart, and play to win. Going down while being able to hold our heads high (out of the principle of not giving in because the other side didn’t!) is not acceptable and gets us nothing.

bluegill on August 22, 2012 at 11:24 AM

She obviously didn’t read the law in Missouri and realize she can’t run!

mrscullen on August 21, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Obviously you can’t read, Palin said someone like Steelman

idesign on August 21, 2012 at 11:18 PM

You’re welcome and apology accepted.

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Now you revert to a totally different article to cover your a**….LOL

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 11:25 AM

AngusMc on August 22, 2012 at 11:20 AM

I like that idea.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Social Con here and I find what Sheila Jackson Lee said totally ignorant, wrong and discreditable.

Can we stop lumping everyone into stereotypes in our discussions?

Sheila Jackson Lee is obviously self deluded and willing to spout garbage in support of her beliefs. No one should want such a person representing them regardless of how much they might support her beliefs.

Skwor on August 22, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Keepin’ it real.

Nutstuyu on August 22, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Disagreement # . . . . . (crap, I lost count).

All countries are nations of laws (or lack thereof), not people.

a nation with laws and no people is not a nation.

The Declaration’ and The Constitution are based on the God of the Bible, by deliberate design on the part of the forefathers.

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I dont agree with your interpretation, but, lets assume you are right,so what? what you want to get from this? that atheists and people of other religions would not be legitimate inhabitants of this land? that we are not deserving of our forefathers legacy? we are like 2nd class citizens?
don’t you understand how divisive and even insulting your insistence in this subject is?

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 11:27 AM

If Sarah Palin carried any weight in MO, her pick would have won the primary.

Palin is only important in the cocooned socon world. You don’t see Romney calling her up.

Moesart on August 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM

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Inspite of the fact that it’s difficult (impossible?) to document, I’d like to know what the results would have been without the Dem money going to Akin’s campaign, and the crossover primary voters.

listens2glenn on August 22, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Conservatives should just vote for this guy and be more careful in selecting their candidate next time …

https://www.facebook.com/dine2010

HondaV65 on August 22, 2012 at 11:28 AM

my 2 cents is that states with small populations, despite their specific necessities would be underrepresented against the populous states if there was no senate. This was especially important to convincing new states to join the union and assure them that their interests would be equally defended in the US congress despite their small population.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 11:14 AM

You do know there was a Senate before the 17th Amendment, don’t you?

So you think that Alaska and Hawaii wouldn’t have joined the United States if we hadn’t altered the election of Senators to popular vote? You do realize the only Alaska & Hawaii weren’t states yet – do you have any understanding of their history & why they became states?

batterup on August 22, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Um, we all know full well about the double standard. Does that mean we should excuse our own side’s screw-ups? Whining about the double standard and declaring, “we won’t concede until you guys do first, so there!” might make you feel good like you’re sticking to some principle of fairness, but it’s just stupid! Like it or not, we have to accept the political reality, play smart, and play to win. Going down while being able to hold our heads high (out of the principle of not giving in because the other side didn’t!) is not acceptable and gets us nothing.

bluegill on August 22, 2012 at 11:24 AM

In short, yes we should. Until we start playing by the same rules as Democraps, we will never beat them at their game. To borrow from King Barry, we’re like the people that keep bringing knives to gun fights, and then complain/brag about how the other side is not as principled as us people that “play smart” with knives.

Nutstuyu on August 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Now you revert to a totally different article to cover your a**….LOL

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 11:25 AM

I merely stated that you were one of the first ones to bring up the whole “like Steelman” thing. You claimed you weren’t one of the first ones to bring it up and you reference other people’s comments from today. I pointed out something you said yesterday, which is further evidence that you were indeed one of the first ones. Keep digging. You got busted and now you’re trying to save face. That’s okay. I won’t hold it against you since everyone is used to you stepping in it. :)

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 10:29 AM

If your referring to the turncoat’s 2009 choice to be a Democrat, you are correct otherwise he was swept into office in 1980, the Reagan years.

DDay on August 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Palin’s recent arrogance is really grating.

First, the unnecessary and stupid “Hillary” thing (nothing to gain, much to lose if she’s wrong, and we won’t know for sure until Charlotte).

NOW, it’s this stupid and INCORRECT third party threat – IT’S TOO LATE to get a third party in (deadline was July 30), AND the abovementioned “sore loser” MO. thing, which strikes out the two candidates who could win….

UNLESS…Akin gets out by Saturday.

Czar of Defenestration on August 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM

One good thing about this Akin disaster is that it has made clear who the pro-death posters are on this site. There were several people that I didn’t know were pro-abortion, but who have made their disgusting views clear in recent days.

Oh, and it’s clear that the moron Akin isn’t going anywhere, so we best move on. There are many other races to worry about.

McDuck on August 22, 2012 at 11:35 AM

DDay on August 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Yes I was referring to that one election where W went all out for him. My point is that you just never know with people. I’m even a bit queasy about the Republicans making Artur Davis a rock star. Just four short years ago he was a co-chair for Obama’s campaign. I’m all for welcoming people and opening the door but they might consider letting some time elapse before they give him the security code for the alarm system.

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM

I said:

cool, this is a country of all its citizens, christians and atheists! the country is not of god, but of its people, be them religious or not.

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 10:57 AM

and you were offended?

The majority of posters and lurkers here are offended by what you say…or they just laugh at you and shake their heads.

kingsjester on August 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I was think I was getting to a middle ground and I hit a nerve! what is the insult here?
does not this country belongs to all its people?

nathor on August 22, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Rush Limbaugh is the boss of the Republican Party, not Sarah Palin.

CorporatePiggy on August 22, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I merely stated that you were one of the first ones to bring up the whole “like Steelman” thing. You claimed you weren’t one of the first ones to bring it up and you reference other people’s comments from today. I pointed out something you said yesterday, which is further evidence that you were indeed one of the first ones. Keep digging. You got busted and now you’re trying to save face. That’s okay. I won’t hold it against you since everyone is used to you stepping in it. :)

GOPRanknFile on August 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM

I proved that I didn’t even comment on the issue today. You posted a comment I made yesterday,but that doesen’t prove it was one of the first comments, and If you meant yesterday, why didn’t you state it?

But by all means, keep digging..:)

idesign on August 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Akin’s platform IS the GOP’s platform. It’s that simple. It’s typical but not surprising to see all you HotAirheads trying to repudiate your own views now that the searing light of truth is upon them.

GOP values: moral cowardice, backstabbing, and Me-First. Are you sure you guys aren’t all recovering hippies?

bifidis on August 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM

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