Video: Which was worse — Akin or Biden?

posted at 12:01 pm on August 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, I made my first appearance on local TV since 2005, during the Adscam story that briefly made me a curious intrusion on Canadian politics.  It’s not for a lack of invitations; KMSP has been asking me to appear for quite a while, but the timing has always been bad.  Last night, though, the stars aligned properly and I made an appearance on the 9 pm news, for what was supposed to be a discussion about surviving gaffes in politics, which is the topic of my column today for The Week.  Instead, Carrie Lucking of the progressive group Alliance for a Better Minnesota ended up debating Todd Akin’s comments, which is pretty much what I expected.  Toward the end, I grew tired of hearing the term “gaffe” applied to Joe Biden’s “chains” comment, and explained the difference:

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Let’s be clear on both counts.  Akin’s statement on the legitimacy of a rape claim being suspect in the case of pregnancy isn’t your garden-variety gaffe; it’s an exposure of some very muddled and factually-deficient thinking, for which Akin deserves all of the castigation he’s been getting.  However, Akin wasn’t smearing his opponent or attempting to incite fear and hatred into a campaign to benefit himself.  That’s what Joe Biden did with the “chains” comment, which as I wrote last week was no gaffe at all.  It was a deliberate and malicious strategy.

Todd Akin has at least apologized for his boneheaded assertion.  Neither Biden nor the Obama campaign has apologized for their smear.

Meanwhile, my column offers three reasons why the two incidents have had different impacts on the narrative:

1. Timing is everything
Republicans reacted quickly to distance themselves from Akin, in part because of the content of the remarks, but also because of a looming ballot deadline. Even though Akin won the nomination in a primary two weeks ago, the state Republican Party could still replace Akin — at least until 5 p.m. CT on Tuesday. The looming deadline marks a point of no return. Had Akin offered his views on the relative legitimacy of rape claims and the ability of women to purge hostile sperm a week later, it would be much more difficult to replace him; in fact, it would take a court order. Under those conditions, would organizations like the NRSC be as willing to cut Akin off and lose Missouri? Possibly, but more than likely they would have found less drastic ways to express their distance and displeasure.

In contrast, despite the speculation that arose after Biden’s latest controversial statement, there is no practical way to replace Biden on the Democratic ticket short of a medical emergency. In order to make a change like that, the Obama administration would have had to prepare the political environment for months, easing Biden out at a time when it would not have looked like a desperation move. When Sarah Palin publicly called for Obama to drop Biden, that route was all but taken off the table.

2. Have somewhere to hide
Biden had another advantage over Akin — he could get off the campaign trail to let the anger die down. That’s also true for politicians who act as surrogates for other candidates; DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz reportedly got benched when the Obama campaign discovered that her  media appearances made her the least-liked surrogate on their roster. Unfortunately, Akin is the GOP candidate in Missouri’s Senate race, not a surrogate or a running mate. If he wants to win, he has to run — and that means no hiding.

3. The more you gaffe, the safer you are
That may sound counterintuitive, but consider the lack of attention to Biden gaffes at this stage of his career. The media is so used to Biden gaffes that only the true aficionados even collect them anymore. Had Akin been as well known and the media as inured to his verbal missteps, Akin’s comment about “legitimate rape” might not have caused as much outrage.

After being caught plagiarizing British Labour leader Neil Kinnock’s speeches in 1987 — right down to adopting Kinnock’s family history as his own — Biden has hardly relented in his gaffe production. A few years ago, Biden tried adopting an Indian accent to describe his customer experience at 7-Eleven. Even in this past week, Biden mistook the century in which we live, asking, “[W]here’s it written we cannot lead the world in the 20th century in making automobiles?” The Los Angeles Times reported last week that the White House stopped providing transcripts from Biden events two months ago; Politico reported at the same time that Biden’s handlers try wheedling the media into editing Biden’s statements to cover his gaffes.

To which one can probably add this: it’s easier to survive a gaffe or scandal if one is Democrat. Would an exposed plagiarist ever get a chance to be on a Republican national ticket in a presidential election?  I think not; the media would be (conveniently) outraged over such history. Or how about this endorsement of China’s brutal one-child policy, a “gaffe” that took place one year ago today?

Yeah, I think if a Republican had said that, the media would still be talking about it today. As they should be with Biden, too.

Note: It was a pleasure to meet Carrie Lucking and debate her; we had a very nice conversation both before and after the segment.  Also, it felt good to be able to stand during that segment without any back pain.


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Both equally stupid and dangerous because of it.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Congratulations on the appearance and more importantly the lack of pain.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:06 PM

False equivalencies for the win!

tommyhawk on August 21, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Yeah Jeff Passolt! SCSU what!

Red Cloud on August 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM

To which one can probably add this: it’s easier to survive a gaffe or scandal if one is Democrat.

This. Memo to Todd Akin: Life is rarely fair. The media will give much closer scrutiny to a republican than a democrat. Republicans care about what their candidates say/do, while a democrat will not face any criticism for stupid commments.

Akin has no chance of winning this now. McCaskill only has to wait until the point of no return, then start running “legitimate rape” attack ads. Akin needs to realize that he’s handing the race to people who will vote for abortion-loving judges.

Bouncing Beatnik on August 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Biden, noted Democrat, can play the “no MFM interest whatsoever” card. Akin, not so much.

fiatboomer on August 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Frankly, I do think Akin’s comment was worse. Nevertheless, we all know that Republicans are held to a vastly, super-enormous higher standard than Democrats. I mean – a MN politician has sex through Craig’s list with a 17 year old, and for most on the left? YAWN…..

pbundy on August 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Akin’s opponent got away with saying that the President allowed people to die because they were black, and I don’t hear anyone from her party calling for her to resign

Chickyraptor on August 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Excellent, ED! And I’m glad for the freedom from the back pain that has been plaguing you…

lovingmyUSA on August 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM

National shows should take a lesson from local shows on how to run a debate.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Akin’s running on his own. Smokin’ Joe rides coattails.

tree hugging sister on August 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Yeah, I think if a Republican had said that, the media would still be talking about it today

…heck!…the media still talks about Dan Quayle’s ‘potatoe!

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Which was worse — Akin or Biden?

Apples and oranges
…both with worms

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on August 21, 2012 at 12:14 PM

I strongly believe Akin’s statement was NOT a gaffe – it was intentional.

Akin is being paid by the Democrats to throw this race to the Democrats AND throw Romney/Ryan off message.

This is just too perfect for them.

Akin needs to be forced to resign, one way or another. He is a traitor.

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Excellent, ED! And I’m glad for the freedom from the back pain that has been plaguing you…

lovingmyUSA on August 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Hey Ed-any tips on how to make one’s lower back stop SCREAMING?
*sigh*

annoyinglittletwerp on August 21, 2012 at 12:16 PM

3. The more you gaffe, the safer you are

Nonsense. It’s ALL about being a democratic vs a Republican.

slickwillie2001 on August 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM

When do we talk about jobs and BHO’s economy? He has an evil smirk on his face when Akin was the first question at the presser yesterday…coincidence?

d1carter on August 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM

National shows should take a lesson from local shows on how to run a debate.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Yes. Nice to hear both sides of the issue without the screaming and over-talking. Good job, Ed.

Mallard T. Drake on August 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU IDIOTS!

You’re keeping this garbage in the limelight. Just let it go.

Dack Thrombosis on August 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

It wasn’t a gaffe, it was a statement that betrayed breathtaking ignorance of biology, morality, politics, and common freaking sense.

Gone. Politically DOA. Utterly toxic.

ConservativeLA on August 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Would an exposed plagiarist ever get a chance to be on a Republican national ticket in a presidential election?

Nope (see: 40 year-old law clerk Stephen Glass), but an exposed plagiarist &/or fabulist could become a respected Barnicle attached to the ship of Morning Joe.

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on August 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

OT: Biden + GOP convention? Do VP duties include heckling now?

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU IDIOTS!

You’re keeping this garbage in the limelight. Just let it go.

Dack Thrombosis on August 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

It’s irrelevant whether it’s discussed here or not.

This idiot Akin stays, it’s an issue all the way until election day.

The idiot resigns, it will still be around, but it won’t have the legs.

Hopefully the idiot understands and cares that it’s not all about him. Don’t bring down the country for your own selfish desires.

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Also, it felt good to be able to stand during that segment without any back pain.

I’ve forgotten what that’s like.

and yes, Biden’s history is much worse overall, but Akin’s statement is so ignorant and is capable of being a Democrat ad that’s very damaging.

rbj on August 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Unfortunately, Akin is the GOP candidate in Missouri’s Senate race, not a surrogate or a running mate. If he wants to win, he has to run — and that means no hiding.

I dunno. Sounds like he’s hiding if no one from the top GOP echelons can find him or contact him by phone. I’m not surprised. He proudly stood by his principles in the original interview, then reversed himself in the mea culpa, now no one can find him. Not only a man of principle but a man of courage. As HA poster, Marcus, has pointed out in other threads, he also used the same floating cross symbolism as the Huckster in his apology.

a capella on August 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM

It wasn’t a gaffe, it was a statement that betrayed breathtaking ignorance of biology, morality, politics, and common freaking sense.
Gone. Politically DOA. Utterly toxic.
ConservativeLA on August 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Ditto. I doubt Biden acting stupid has any Democrat questioning whether to turn in their registration card. I told the RNC, who called ME, not to call back until this guy is out of the race.

Marcus on August 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I haven’t been keeping up on this crap; but, I’m assuming that, by using “legitimate rape,” what he meant was the vicious, forcible and violent form, which – in my opinion – should carry the death penalty. As opposed to statutory rape, which is neither vicious, forcible or violent, inasmuch as it’s based upon having voluntary intercourse with someone who, because of his/her age, is incapable of consenting to intercourse. An 18 year old male, having sex with a 15 year old female, is an example. And that, most assuredly, is not a “rape” – as most people define it.

I’m assuming that this is the distinction that Akin intended.

I know – assuming …

Anyway, if this is what Akin meant, then he is only guilty of improperly defining what he meant, as opposed to Stupid Joe, who most assuredly said what he intended to say.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Well, one was stupid, the other was deliberately feeling a need to put on verbal Black-Face before addressing a crowd primarily of Blacks.

I find the inherent racism of leftist Whites more evil than mere scientific illiteracy (which 90%+ of Democrats are also afflicted with.)

MNHawk on August 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM

From Ross Kaminsky:

Last week, Democratic Vice President Joe Biden uttered an idiotic, offensive, race-baiting statement, telling a mostly black audience that Mitt Romney wants to “put y’all back in chains.”

This week, Republican Congressman and candidate for US Senate Todd Akin uttered an idiotic, offensive, rape-baiting statement, making the insane suggestion that a woman’s body can naturally prevent pregnancy following a “legitimate rape.”

For your perusal, an example of the different reactions from members of each offender’s political party:

Democrats in response to Biden:

From Obama Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie “Never Heard of Joe Soptic” Cutter:

“The bottom line is that we have no problem with those comments.”

From rap music mogul Russell Simmons:

“Joe Biden’s truthful comment that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan would put “y’all back in chains” sat fine with me.”

From Al Sharpton:

Republicans “don’t have the moral standing” to criticize Biden because they call Barack Obama “the food stamp president.”

Georgetown University Professor Michael Eric Dyson, on the Ed Schultz radio show: Biden’s statements can’t be criticized by the GOP because we have:

“a Republican Party that has played dog whistle politics and whose expertise is in racial codes calling President Obama a monkey, an ape, an un-American, a Kenyon, somebody who was not born in America, a communist, and on and on and on.”

And from President Obama himself:

“His phrasing is a distraction from what is at stake….We don’t spend a lot of time worrying about the chatter and the noise and this and that… It doesn’t mean anything, just fills up a lot of airtime.”

Resist We Much on August 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Ed, you did very well in that segment.

But, I wish you had noted that Lucking doesn’t represent women. She doesn’t represent the true diversity of women. Many women are conservatives and/or pro-life.

mockmook on August 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

If Akin had a functioning neuron in his thick skull, he wouldn’t have broached the subject in the first place.

Who in this party and in this race, would like to talk about abortion and rape until election day?

Because the Democrats would LOVE to do that.

The thing bonehead here needed to be talking about, is the economy.

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Republicans in response to Akin (I’ve added more. RWM):

From presidential candidate Mitt Romney:

“[Akin's] comments on rape are insulting, inexcusable, and, frankly, wrong. Like millions of other Americans, we found them to be offensive.”

From Senator John Cornyn (R-TX), head of the Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee:

“Congressman Akin’s statements were wrong, offensive and indefensible. I recognize that this is a difficult time for him, but over the next twenty-four hours, Congressman Akin should carefully consider what is best for him, his family, the Republican Party…” (In other words, Cornyn is calling on Akin to drop out of the race.)

From Senator Scott Brown (R-MA):

“As a husband and father of two young women, I found Todd Akin’s comments about women and rape outrageous. There is no place in our public discourse for this type of offensive thinking. Not only should he apologize, but I believe Rep. Akin’s statement was so far out of bounds that he should resign the nomination for US Senate in Missouri.”

From Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI):

“Todd Akin’s statements are reprehensible and inexcusable. He should step aside today for the good of the nation.”

From Montana Republican Senate candidate and fellow member of the House of Representatives, Denny Rehberg:

“As a pro-life conservative, a husband, and a father of two young women, I find Representative Akin’s remarks to be offensive and reprehensible. There is no such thing as a ‘legitimate rape.’ I condemn Representative Akin’s statements in the strongest possible terms.”

From New Mexico Republican Senate candidate, Heather Wilson:

“As a woman and a mother, I found Representative Akin’s comments this weekend to be sickening and deeply offensive. There is no such thing as ‘legitimate rape.’ His remarks undermine his ability to command the respect necessary for leadership and he should step aside.”

Continued…

Resist We Much on August 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Between Ed’s pic and the boy-lover on the left, we have a rather sad slice of Minnesota.

MadisonConservative on August 21, 2012 at 12:35 PM

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Exactly. Biden is smiling.

d1carter on August 21, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Various newspapers are making the claim that Todd Akin was “Tea Party”. NO! Akin was never Tea Party. Akin beat the tea party candidate and the one endorsed by Sarah Palin, Sarah Steelman in the primaries.

It seems Claire McCaskill was hoping Akin would be her opponent, hoping he would implode. Sadly, he did — far too early for her, as the GOP seems to be taking measures to get another candidate in Akin’s place. I hope the GOP swiftly finds a replacement — the race and its important to the country is such a priority we need someone in there who knows how to handle the stress.

Mutnodjmet on August 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Ed:

1. You did great; you’re very polished and you articulate your points clearly and authoritatively. You should try to do more media appearances.

If I might make one suggestion: try to stick to a white or light blue shirt. It comes across much better on TV than a dark shirt.

2. On the substance, I think you handled the abortion issue the right way. Abortion is a sensitive political topic. If you want to discuss it, you must do so compassionately and intelligently. Akin’s pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo comments were neither of those things.

3. Is there any evidence that Akin is a Democratic plant? Everything I hear about this guy is that he was some kind of kook, that McCaskill spent $1 million dollars to make sure he beat his tea party-backed primary challengers, and the Democrats are fighting to keep him in the race. Now the guy goes incommunicado. All of this is very suspicious to me.

Outlander on August 21, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Akin’s comments were way worse than Biden’s. Biden said what every Democrat says and thinks, he just said it in the glare of the election year spotlight, in his own clumsy and unique way. If Biden said the same thing last year, no one would have made a fuss (well, we would have, but it wouldn’t have been a national issue). While the ‘Republicans want a return to slavery’ theme is repugnant, it’s been repeated by the likes of Ted Kennedy and other prominent Dems, so much so that people have to actually pay attention to even notice it anymore. Akin’s sin is worse because what he said is simply insane. I don’t care if Akin thinks women have magic anti-pregnancy powers if they’ve been raped, but I do care that he doesn’t have the political savy to keep his stupid thoughts to himself and offer stock answers on an issue that will not – repeat, will not – be on the national front burner any time in the near future. I expect Dems to say stupid things. I expect Republicans to be just a bit smarter. I expect Biden to be Biden. I don’t expect any Republican to be Biden.

joejm65 on August 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM

From American Spectator columnist Quin Hillyer:

“Todd Akin’s statement on rape, etcetera, are wrong on at least three fronts at once — and so wrong as to be politically disqualifying…Akin should step aside and let the Missouri Republican Party replace him on the ballot.”

From the editors of National Review:

“Step Aside, Todd Akin.” “While Akin is a stalwart conservative and an honorable man, we regret to say that he inspires no such confidence. That is one reason why Senator Claire McCaskill, the sitting Democratic senator, boosted him during the Republican primaries with ads calling him a “true conservative.” She knew that she is the weakest Senate incumbent on the ballot this year and that her only hope was to draw a weak opponent…McCaskill’s strategy is now paying off.

Akin has backed off from his remarks, albeit with the politician’s excuse of “misspeaking.” People who make such remarks on television are typically capable of making more like them, or rather incapable of exercising the judgment to refrain. We suspect that this same lack of judgment will cause Akin to blow past tomorrow evening’s deadline for him to leave the race and allow the Republicans to select a better nominee. We hope the congressman, who surely wants to see a Senate with as much conservative strength as possible next year, will prove us wrong.”

Crossroads GPS has removed its Senate race ads from the Missouri airwaves. When asked to comment by Politico if its removal of the ads had anything to do with Akin’s comments, Crossroads Spokesman Nate Hodson said:

“The act speaks for itself.”

From PjMedia:

“Akin Must Go.”

From Ann Coulter:

“We will rally around Akin as GOP hero if he withdraws for the good of the country. Roe is at stake!”

From American Spectator columnist, Jeffrey Lord:

“Mr. Akin sounds like a very nice man. But his appearance on Sean Hannity’s radio show a few minutes ago was almost painful to listen to. Hannity was 100% correct to gently point out to Akin that the political environment is such that he will never be able to discuss the issues with McCaskill. Akin’s thoughts on rape, regardless of whether he apologizes hourly until November, guarantees the focus will be removed from McCaskill’s devotion to all things Obama. Bluntly put, Akin will be a drag — an avoidable drag — on the ticket. Hannity gently prodded Akin to do the right thing, and he was right to do so. This is no time for distractions. Mr. Akin should change his mind and allow the Missouri GOP to replace him. Pronto.”

Resist We Much on August 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Hmmmm, I hadn’t thought about it but Rush thinks that Mr. Akin’s remarks are what got The Won to “summon the courage” to meet with the press.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Various newspapers are making the claim that Todd Akin was “Tea Party”. NO! Akin was never Tea Party. Akin beat the tea party candidate and the one endorsed by Sarah Palin, Sarah Steelman in the primaries.

It seems Claire McCaskill was hoping Akin would be her opponent, hoping he would implode. Sadly, he did — far too early for her, as the GOP seems to be taking measures to get another candidate in Akin’s place. I hope the GOP swiftly finds a replacement — the race and its important to the country is such a priority we need someone in there who knows how to handle the stress.

Mutnodjmet on August 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Either that or everyone in the GOP endorses the Libertarian. Not my first choice, but even a pro-abortion Libertarian would be a huge improvement on pro-abortion socialist corruptocrat McCaskill.

fiatboomer on August 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

And it was the first question from the first questioner that Dear Leader called on…hmmmmm.

d1carter on August 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Hmmmm, I hadn’t thought about it but Rush thinks that Mr. Akin’s remarks are what got The Won to “summon the courage” to meet with the press.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

The instant I saw Barry was talking I knew exactly why. Axelrod couldn’t have come up with a better opportunity. Doesn’t take a Rush to see that.

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

I haven’t been keeping up on this crap; but, I’m assuming that, by using “legitimate rape,” what he meant was the vicious, forcible and violent form[...]. As opposed to statutory rape…].

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Some statutes do distinguish “forcible rape” from “statutory rape” to take into consideration what you mentioned above. It’s a politically tricky discussion to have because you have to distinguish between the odious kind (40 year olds having sex with 10 year olds) and the sketchy-but-not-as-odious kind (19 year olds with 16 year olds). But all these fine grained criminal law distinction should NOT be in the national political debate this year!

Outlander on August 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

So far every Lib I’ve seen or read commenting on this has stated that Paul Ryan along with Akin tried to redefine rape in a bill they co-sponsored. The woman Ed was debating did it and he didn’t say anything in regards to it. I’m sure there is an explanation to it but I haven’t heard it yet from any conservative.

KateNE on August 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Also, it felt good to be able to stand during that segment without any back pain.

So glad your surgery was a success! Now I have fresh hope that someone will come up with an operation to ease arthritis symptoms…or at least a legal way to eradicate spouses who find it hilarious when your toes freeze in funny shapes.

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on August 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Which is worse…asking leading rhetorical questions, or using false equivalency arguments?
Predictable that this would get turned into Biden vs. Akin.
At the start you did well condemning Akin’s idiocy.
But I guess there’s only so much you can take before reaching for this angle.
Carrie Lucking here did an excellent job distinguishing why it’s a false equivalency.
And to her point about Akin’s legislative efforts emanating from his mythical yet genuine beliefs – and that he was joined by Ryan on many of these efforts – has Ryan actually commented on this at all?

verbaluce on August 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

I guess I should have seen it, I thought it was the press whining.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Hell, send Akin an e-mail, not me. Why lecture me?

It appears that Akin was attempting to differentiate aborting a pregnancy that results from a forcible and violent rape, as opposed to aborting a pregnancy that results from a statutory rape.

I think that he was talking about abortion, moreso than about rape – and that he just flubbed it.

Now, the body reacting to a forcible rape stuff was rather odd, and he might just be an oddball … but, don’t try to castigate me for his words.

I took his words and ran with ‘em.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

One really has to wonder how someone who is supposedly extremely intelligent chose Joe Biden as his VP. Biden has quite a history and there were several other reasonable (for Dems) choices for VP.

hopeful on August 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Outlander on August 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Of course not!

See my respose to NoDonkey, supra.

It was just my take on Akin’s words!

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

That’s what Joe Biden did with the “chains” comment, which as I wrote last week was no gaffe at all. It was a deliberate and malicious strategy.

Kinda like President Obama quoting McCain on the economy and the Romney campaign deliberately and maliciously distorting it to make it seem like Obama said it.

You people are such crybabies!

Anti-choice Republicans are in a state of stark, raving PANIC right now. And, like manna from heaven, the Republican Party’s “no exceptions” platform plank confirms it’s declared war on women.

Keep the ball rolling, folks!

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Seems most everyone agrees that Akins comments about women’s bodies etc. was pretty insane.
But does anyone think this is the first time he’s ever said such a thing?
He went there pretty fast…in a fairly brief interview.
Bit of a stretch to think he never offered these theories/ideas with other reps, etc. when deeply involved with various ‘sanctity of life’ bills and this push for using the term ‘forcible rape’.
The mask may slip pretty fast on this one.
No wonder the GOP is desperate for him to drop out asap.
Problem is…he’s a true believer. ‘God’s will’ for him to run and win.
Y’know.

verbaluce on August 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Not lecturing you – I’m upset with him, not you.

Just saying, why go down a road that will only do your opponent good?

Because it’s a distraction on what matters and what he can realistically affect.

If he doesn’t understand the difference, he’s an idiot. The last thing you want to spend time discussing in this election is abortion and rape, when Democrats have raped this abortion of an economy.

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Is there any evidence that Akin is a Democratic plant? Everything I hear about this guy is that he was some kind of kook, that McCaskill spent $1 million dollars to make sure he beat his tea party-backed primary challengers, and the Democrats are fighting to keep him in the race. Now the guy goes incommunicado. All of this is very suspicious to me.

Outlander on August 21, 2012 at 12:38 PM

See, this has bothered me too. I’m not saying he’s a plant, he did serve as a Congressman. But there has to be more there than just this idiotic statement of his for McCaskill to be in love with him as a candidate. Will there be revelations about him dan the road?
Will the Dems try to tie him to Ryan(already started) and affect the presidential race? This last one worries me the most. We could survive losing Missouri’s Senate seat, we can still get other states like Ohio. But the ties to Ryan that the Left will attempt to make are far more important and the main reason we need to get this off the table.

Deanna on August 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Why would we be in a panic? Abortion is the law of the land, the best we can do is to disapprove of our tax dollars being used to pay for it and offer ladies a different option. I think I would prefer the mother’s choice to save her child to be her own instead of a quick disposal of minor inconvenience.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

You are as clean and articulate as ever, that’s storybook, man.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Yeah Jeff Passolt! SCSU what!

Red Cloud on August 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM

The “what” is exactly right. Oh, wait…Richard Dean Anderson! And a bunch of mediocre NHL players most people here won’t recognize.

Hat Trick on August 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

I couldn’t agree with you more.

But, this kind of incompetence qualifies him for Congress.

It’s precisely what I expect out of the more equal Pigs, inside of the Beltway.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Hmmmm, I hadn’t thought about it but Rush thinks that Mr. Akin’s remarks are what got The Won to “summon the courage” to meet with the press.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Spot on, hence I posted earlier on a different thread–”Will WH/Carney/Blightbringer be asked today to comment on the MN politician and his rest stop, teen-boy fellatio-capade?”…

hillsoftx on August 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Anti-choice Republicans are in a state of stark, raving PANIC right now.

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Funny, but you can’t even say the word. See, boy, you have to be proudly for abortion before you can paint someone else as stark raving PANIC for being against abortion.

I wonder why Democrat trash can’t even utter the word, abortion?

MNHawk on August 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM

And oh Princess-In-Need-Of-A-Salad and her drivel about “his comments match his voting record” should have been scolded saying, “Yes, the MO. electorate are well aware of his voting record and gave him the nod as their candidate”…pathetic piece, how about Obama’s voting record as State Sen and Born Alive Prevention Act??

Yeah, didn’t think so…

hillsoftx on August 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM

3. The more you gaffe, the safer you are

But only if you are a Democrat.

Another example is Richie Daley.

farsighted on August 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I wonder why Democrat trash can’t even utter the word, abortion?

MNHawk on August 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I love this terminology.

But, instead of “Democrat” – I just call the filth, “Communists.”

It’s best to be both accurate and precise.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Why would we be in a panic?

Easy. “Legitimate rape” = “Forcible rape”. Ryan co-sponsored a bill that would have allowed abortion only in cases of “forcible rape”. The link from Akin to Ryan has been established. That’s why people ranging from Coulter to Kristol are begging Akin to fall on his sword. Looks like panic to me.

I think I would prefer the mother’s choice to save her child to be her own instead of a quick disposal of minor inconvenience.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Oh, so you are pro-choice after all!
Welcome sister!

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Pro forced abortions in china is the worst vice president ever

Mormontheman on August 21, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Funny, but you can’t even say the word. See, boy, you have to be proudly for abortion before you can paint someone else as stark raving PANIC for being against abortion.

I wonder why Democrat trash can’t even utter the word, abortion?

MNHawk on August 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I have no time to school you on the difference between being pro-choice and pro-abortion. I am pro-choice.

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

No I’m pro-life. But just like my Christianity, I am no evangelical. There are consequences to decisions and I don’t determine what they are. I have areas that I would love to see the law changed, especially when the mother is under the age of eighteen.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM

hillsoftx on August 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM

How about asking the president about the sexual harassment charge against Homeland Security?

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM

The only difference that matters:
Biden = democrat = no accountability
Akin = republican = full accountability

paulsur on August 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM

The broad was working wa-a-a-a-a-y too hard; stuck on the commensurate vote talking point. She looked childish, nervous, and, foolish. Frankly, she had her asss handed to her by that Edgar Morrison guy!

:-D

The War Planner on August 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

And oh Princess-In-Need-Of-A-Salad and her drivel about “his comments match his voting record”..
hillsoftx on August 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM

..if there are any openings in your SoCal fan club, I’d surely like to join!

The War Planner on August 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Note: It was a pleasure to meet Carrie Lucking and debate her; we had a very nice conversation both before and after the segment. Also, it felt good to be able to stand during that segment without any back pain.

She may well be a very nice person, but in that segment she came off like an unprofessional talkingpoint drone. Really, who makes obnoxious faces like that in a serious discussion? She wasn’t serious about talking about the issue at hand but only interested in trying to make partisan arguments.

Scrappy on August 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I don’t live in Missouri so I’ll let them decide on their representatives….and while his comments were bizarre, it’s not the comments that bother me as much as a 6 term congressman attempting a career advancement to the senate.

If you’ve been in Congress for 6 terms you’ve been corrupted. You’ve established your self with the K Street lobbyists (as has your staff)and your biggest concern is of your personal political future and career rather than the job you were sent to do.

If you have been in Congress for 6 terms….you are the problem not the solution…

repvoter on August 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

No I’m pro-life. But just like my Christianity, I am no evangelical. There are consequences to decisions and I don’t determine what they are. I have areas that I would love to see the law changed, especially when the mother is under the age of eighteen.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Semantics.

You specifically referred to “the mother’s choice”. I am in absolute agreement with you. It should be “the mother’s choice”. Obviously it salves your conscience to say you are pro-life. Fair enough.

Your lips say “no no! but your eyes say “yes yes!”

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Keep the ball rolling, folks!

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Just curious, Chimp, how come sometimes when you post here you capitalize the “C” in “Chump” and other times you don’t?

Del Dolemonte on August 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Its not a matter of ‘who’s more egregious’. In a perfect world BOTH Biden and Akin would be removed from the political and public arena’s permanently.

There is little that the GOP, as a political institution, can do about Biden, since he’s a Democrat, other than making it clear to the electorate that they deserve and require a Vice President who has the skills and mental acuity to step into the Presidency, should that ever be required of them, and, short of that, being able to represent the nation in a way that embraces ALL Americans with the same degree respect. In the end, the most the GOP can do to correct the disaster that is Biden, is to persuade the electorate to vote him and Obama, the man who chose him as a running mate, out of office in November.

There is a great deal more pressure that the GOP can, has, and will continue to, exert on Akin to get him out of the Senate race and replace him with a smarter, more able candidate.

The people of Missouri certainly deserve a better Senator than Akin. He’s proved, with this major gaffe, that his thinking is muddled and ineffective, and, thereby, that he lacks the abilities requisite of a Senator.

However, the issue is greater than Missouri alone. Senator’s decisions, skills, and abilities, or lack thereof, have a direct effect on the rest of the nation as well through their actions, or lack thereof in our legislative branch. These are the people we task with being our direct proxies in Congress to make the laws of the land. The nation deserves better.

thatsafactjack on August 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Your lips say “no no! but your eyes say “yes yes!”

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Why don’t you go wash your right hand? Mommy says it’s time for your PB&J, and your nappy.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

No I just don’t assume God’s job. I’m big on limiting my judgement on what I can do my law, such as my votes. In my opinion this remark by Mr. Akin has little to do with abortion but more on violence against women and whether it is taken seriously based on the luck of the draw.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Democrats are breathtaking in their ability to apply selective outrage.

John the Libertarian on August 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM

And speaking generally, if Republican are hoping to get traction from the remarks of Joe Biden, they are going to be sorely disappointed. Why? Because nobody really cares what Biden says!

Seriously, nobody gives a toss.

Well, pathetically desperate Republicans care because they’re…desperate and pathetic, and they can’t lay a glove on the President, but other than that, nobody cares!

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Since when is a gaffe defined as when somebody inadvertently or thoughtlessly makes a stupid remark? I thought a gaffe was supposed to be when a politician or pundit accidently slips up and tells the TRUTH. Something like this, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgv7kh5tik&feature=player_embedded#!

surrounded on August 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM

One really has to wonder how someone who is supposedly extremely intelligent chose Joe Biden as his VP. Biden has quite a history and there were several other reasonable (for Dems) choices for VP.

hopeful on August 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I really hope that is a retorical question.

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM

I can’t stand politicians and I cannot stand the media.

bridgetown on August 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

And, like manna from heaven, the Republican Party’s “no exceptions” platform plank confirms it’s declared war on women.

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Actually, no. It is a declaration among some in the big tent that they respect the value and rights of innocent life. For some odd reason, liberals denigrate early signs of human life to be nothing more than a clump of cells, which any rational person will tell you is intellectually dishonest. If you are snuffing out life, at least have the guts to admit you are doing so.

John the Libertarian on August 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

desperate and pathetic, and they can’t lay a glove on the President,

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Again with the intellectual dishonesty. The liberal press is turning on Obama, as evidenced by Newsweek and CBS and that disaster of a press conference to the White House press corp.

John the Libertarian on August 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Ed, explaining the difference between a gaffe and a deliberate
strategy was needed. And yes you were correct that Biden was using a deliberate strategy making those remarks.

Those remarks were scripted, since he was on teleprompter. Most videos only show a close up of him speaking in VA. However, take a look at this c-span tape; it clearly shows the teleprompters.

http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Events/VP-Biden-Campaigns-in-Virginia/10737433112/

bluefox on August 21, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Ed should have explained Biden’s statement !!

Biden was telling the crowd that under Romney they would be able to find jobs and people would go back to work.

The the young lady in the clip noted Biden hadn’t “voted” to put people “in chains”. But Obama has!! They have increase unemployment insurance, food stamps, disability payments, gutted welfare work requirement. All of these decrease the insentive to find a job keeping people “in chains” — and make people beholding to the party that gives them these benefits.

So yes Obama-Biden has done what it can to keep people in chains.

KenInIL on August 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM

I strongly believe Akin’s statement was NOT a gaffe – it was intentional.

Akin is being paid by the Democrats to throw this race to the Democrats AND throw Romney/Ryan off message.

This is just too perfect for them.

Akin needs to be forced to resign, one way or another. He is a traitor.

NoDonkey on August 21, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Agreed. This seems much too convenient, as I mentioned on the other Akin thread. McCaskill and the Dems wanted Akin as the opponent, as he was known for sticking his feet in his mouth regularly and could be counted on to do just that, while they did not want any of the other GOP candidates who they knew would have been more formidable.

I bet this was planned from the get-go and Akin is in on it.

PatriotGal2257 on August 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Because nobody really cares what Biden says!

chumpThreads on August 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Your side does!

In a speech today in Minnesota, Vice President Joe Biden likened Republicans to “squealing pigs”.

As I told you a few months ago, Chimpy, O’bama and Biden set an alltime high American record in 2008, when they got 70% of the high school dropout vote. No candidates had ever done that before, a feat which you must be so proud of.

But they will need that other 30% this year to even have a chance. Hence, Joe is feeding your Party’s Low IQ voters the Red Meat he knows they crave.

Del Dolemonte on August 21, 2012 at 3:33 PM

I wish Ed had the chance to point out that there are no votes by Romney or Ryan to support the notion that they are in favor of bringing back slavery. The fact that Biden said it anyway brings his comments to the level of a vicious, slanderous lie.

Laurence on August 21, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Democrats don’t have to worry about Joe Biden saying anything dumb about rape and pregnancy. They still don’t have the heart to tell him there’s no stork.

Jim Treacher on August 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM

C’mon Hot Air!

As I just pulled up your site, 11 of the 35 articles on the page referred to Todd Akin — OVER 30%!

I doubt that if Israel had bombed Iran this morning you would have had this much coverage.

Give us a break. The guy made an idiotic statement. BIG DEAL! End of story.

Concerned_American on August 22, 2012 at 1:32 PM