NBC/WSJ poll: Obama leads Romney by four nationally, by three in battleground states

posted at 10:01 pm on August 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Ah, the NBC/WSJ poll, the dreariest blog post of the month for the big A. Thus far this year they’ve measured registered voters, not likelies (although that’ll change soon), which means the data’s been iffy to begin with. Worse, the partisan split in the sample has bounced around enough each month to make you wonder how useful the trendlines are over time. Remember the sample they dropped on us in July? That was a big ol’ D+11, which meant NBC’s sample imagined an electorate considerably more Democratic than the electorate that handed Obama a landslide in 2008. (The exit poll on election night was D+7.) This month’s sample is D+6, which is more realistic and yet still imagines a bluer electorate than we’re likely to see, I think. The point is, when you’re looking for trends by comparing July data to August in the crosstabs, you need to remember that July was based on a strong Democratic tilt and August a more mild one. Case in point: Although O’s lead over Romney technically declined from six points last month to four points now, that’s probably more of a sample artifact than any real movement. In fact, because a lot of the numbers this month are similar to what they were in July, this poll is good news overall for The One insofar as it means his lead is holding up even with a less forgiving sample.

Anyway.

In a smaller sample of voters living in 12 key battleground states – Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin – Obama leads Romney by three points, 49 percent to 46 percent.

That’s a narrower edge in these battlegrounds than the eight-point lead the president enjoyed in the June and July NBC/WSJ polls.

Looking inside the numbers, Obama continues to lead Romney among key parts of his political base, including African Americans (94 percent to 0 percent), Latinos (by a 2-to-1 margin), voters under 35-years-old (52 percent to 41 percent) and women (51 percent to 41 percent).

Romney is ahead with whites (53 percent to 40 percent), rural voters (47 percent to 38 percent) and seniors (49 percent to 41 percent).

Obama leads by 35 points when voters are asked which candidate is more likable; Romney’s net favorables are -6, which is lower than any other modern GOP nominee. The news isn’t all bad, though. Here’s a good trend that isn’t explained by the July sample. Obama is the first column, Romney the second:

If Romney does well in the debates, that remaining gap will close as more voters decide he’s presidential material. Meanwhile, Obama’s still lagging on the crucial “are you better off now than you were four years ago?” question:

As for the Ryan pick, how to explain his numbers being noticeably flat compared to other recent VPs?

Only Cheney’s numbers are more or less even; everyone else was greeted warmly by voters. The reason, I assume, is that Ryan’s been an ideological boogeyman to the “professional left” for several years now because of his budget. Palin and Edwards were essentially unknown when they were nominated, and Biden and Lieberman were reasonably well regarded senators who inspired no strong reactions when they were picked. It’s a testament to Ryan’s political influence, even at the age of 42, that his selection would inspire stronger feelings in voters than an old Republican power-broker like Cheney.

The numbers on Medicare “messaging,” meanwhile, are not encouraging:

The big catch to that result is that the pollster insisted on pegging each position to a candidate instead of offering the statements in isolation. Given Obama’s likability advantage, the fact that voters seem to trust him more than Romney may be leading them on this question to embrace his position partly because it’s his. The point is, would these numbers change if a more naturally likable pol like Ryan was tasked with making a sustained Medicare pitch? We’ll find out!


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Socialist is strong with this one….

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Oversampled again….

/S/ BISHOP!!

Khun Joe on August 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Must be the likability…

Everyone likes a Socialist.

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Obama continues to lead Romney among key parts of his political base, including African Americans (94 percent to 0 percent),

So, in this poll 94% of African Americans will vote against Romney because he is white.

Correct me if I am wrong here.

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Rasmussen is the only poll I really trust and he’s showing the race at a dead heat. Let’s hope and pray that Netanyahu’s October Surprise shifts number in Romney’s direction.

NickDeringer on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Must be the likability…

Everyone likes a Socialist.

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Better than a monarchist with dreams of redistributing wealth from the middle to upper class.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Everyone likes a President falsely blaming someone for the death of a person…

Everyone likes a President that will be more flexible…

Everyone likes a President who comes out of the closet..

And lies in his two big money making books…

Everyone likes a lair..

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Why you obsess with poll of registered voters in August…

This year will prove to be the least accurate polling ever conducted. Romney will win by 10.

BKeyser on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Debuting November 6th:

Michigan Mitt and the Wisco Kid.

Robert_Paulson on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Why do pollsters keep including New Mexico in swing state polls? Is there any evidence that it’s in play this year?

midgeorgian on August 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

On top of everything else today, Bryce Harper has struck out four times tonight.

a capella on August 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Why you obsess with poll of registered voters in August…

This year will prove to be the least accurate polling ever conducted. Romney will win by 10.

BKeyser on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Romney will win by 6.

Go RBNY on August 21, 2012 at 10:09 PM

RV poll, yawn…

MGardner on August 21, 2012 at 10:09 PM

This is not your gandfather’s America anymore.

KMC1 on August 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

IF this is polling registered voters, I wouldn’t pay it much mind.

changer1701 on August 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Romney will win by 6.

Go RBNY on August 21, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I got 7, but whose counting???

MGardner on August 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

So, in this poll 94% of African Americans will vote against Romney because he is white.Correct me if I am wrong here.

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

No, not at all. They’re voting their pocketbooks.

a capella on August 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Better than a monarchist with dreams of redistributing wealth from the middle to upper class.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Ahhh..RomneyHood..

Facts are..

Obama is a liar and a Socialist..
Who believes that now isn’t the time to make a profit..

How does this redistributing to the upper class work..
without the unemployed middle class?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM

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Better than a monarchist with dreams of redistributing wealth from the middle to upper class.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

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Who in the (expletive) is “a monarchist with dreams of redistributing wealth from the middle to upper class”?

listens2glenn on August 21, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Most likely an outlier, but there is a poll in Florida that has romney up 54%-40%.

midgeorgian on August 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

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How does this redistributing to the upper class work..
without the unemployed middle class?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

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That’ll leave a mark.

listens2glenn on August 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

All it would take is Rush Limbaugh or Romney or Huckabee to tell conservatives to hang up on pollsters and the pollsters would go out of business tomorrow. They can’t know the percent of Republican hang ups compared to dem hang ups. They got the same problem now but they’ve been able to keep the problem hidden by not acknowledging it.

Polls can never help Republicans, only hurt them. Polls mostly exist to scare Republican politicians into doing unprincipled things.

In the whole art of the possible realm, ending polls for good is the easiest and most beneficial thing Republicans could do.

Buddahpundit on August 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Fiction can be fun!!

Tbone McGraw on August 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Better than a monarchist with dreams of redistributing wealth from the middle to upper class.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

You bad-mouthing your boy again, boy?

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Before Akin tripped over his tongue I figured Romney 48%, Obama 46%, Other 6%.

Now, post “legitimate”, Obama 49%, Romney 45%, Other 6%.

Thanks Todd.

The longer he lingers, the more sure Obama’s chances become.

profitsbeard on August 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Better than a monarchist with dreams of redistributing wealth from the middle to upper class.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Thanks so much for sharing that, Doctor Krugman.

Del Dolemonte on August 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

OT:

Found this to be somewhat interesting about the VP taking a trip to Tampa during the convention. If I am reading this right it sounds to me as if they are planning some sort of “incident” involving the VP to paint the republicans as radical and extreme. I wouldn’t put it past them but, if this is true and something does happen it makes you wonder just how desperate the Obama campaign is and why would the VP put himself in danger just to get Obama re-elected. BTW, there are a lot of interviews from this WH insider that I recomend you read.

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/21/white-house-insider-issues-warning-false-flag-planned-for-gop-convention/

Scary stuff.

milwife88 on August 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

“Battleground” is racist! The Civil War was fought on battlegrounds!!

/Toure’

SouthernGent on August 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM

This poll and all others are lies. Do your own. Only at the few remaining Liberal bastions like the NYT, Huffp Dkos and NPR reflect numbers like you see in these polls. Surf the web, the vast majority of web-sites comments are 20:1 against Obama. Based on this ‘unscientific analysis’ [though I suspect it's better than those that claim to be so], Obama-Burden loses in a wonderfully catastrophic landslide. BTW: Akins is a blip.

RavingLunatic on August 21, 2012 at 10:17 PM

48-44 nationally in August, and 49-46 in the swing states before Romney has spent a dime there? Not a bad place to be at all. Barack still cannot get to 50%, even in a slanted poll. The voters know barack. He has been their president for 4 years. And in poll after poll, more than 50% say they will not be voting for him this year. His numbers are going down, not up. And that’s only going to accelerate. Voters are not suddenly going to say to themselves, “Obama? Yeah, now that I’ve learned a little about him I think I’ll vote for him.” Moreover, his support is soft. At least 10 points in that 48 barack pulls are voters just itchin’ for a reason not to vote for him. Romney-Ryan are going to give them many, many reasons.

Rational Thought on August 21, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Better than a monarchist with dreams of redistributing wealth from the middle to upper class.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:07 PM

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Better question:

Where do you define the divisions between middle and upper class?

listens2glenn on August 21, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Most likely an outlier, but there is a poll in Florida that has romney up 54%-40%.

midgeorgian on August 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM

That’s no out-liar. I’ve seen few obaka stickers. Romney stickers are becoming more prevalent.

The few obama stickers I have seen are on cars driven either by blacks, or homely broads.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:18 PM

The minimalist Ryan bounce? That’s because this election is about firing Obama. The Romney Veep nominee is only a means of teasing Romney’s seriousness of purpose and has little or no intrinsic value of it’s own. Romney is no Bush, who needed to bring a seasoned adult on board to reassure voters, or Obama, a foreign policy neophyte.

This is as it should be, by the way.

MTF on August 21, 2012 at 10:18 PM

No, not at all. They’re voting their pocketbooks.

a capella on August 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

I understand what you are saying but 94% of African Americans are not on welfare.

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:18 PM

This month’s sample is D+6, which is more realistic and yet still imagines a bluer electorate than we’re likely to see, I think.

D+6 is a joke, except to a pessimist. A realistic poll would not favor either party. With correct weighting Romney is up by 2. He will stretch this out to 10 by election day.

Basilsbest on August 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

The only news in this post, AP is your continued enabling of the purveyors of bad polling.

If anyone has the least grasp of polling ersus results, all they need are the first eight sentences.

Evreything after that is froth and Eeyorism – and it is not helping your page hits or number of comments, either.

PolAgnostic on August 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Polls can never help Republicans, only hurt them. Polls mostly exist to scare Republican politicians into doing unprincipled things.

In the whole art of the possible realm, ending polls for good is the easiest and most beneficial thing Republicans could do.

Buddahpundit on August 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

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Dittos.

listens2glenn on August 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

That’s no out-liar. I’ve seen few obaka stickers. Romney stickers are becoming more prevalent.

The few obama stickers I have seen are on cars driven either by blacks, or homely broads.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:18 PM

On the way home yesterday I noticed the car in front of me had an Obama/Biden2012 sticker. They had just pulled out of an oil company parking lot.

WTF?

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Who in the (expletive) is “a monarchist with dreams of redistributing wealth from the middle to upper class”?

listens2glenn on August 21, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Anyone who believes in the fantasy of the Ryan plan doing anything other than redistributing wealth in such a way as to create and enshrine a permanent upper class.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703916004576270832244940992.html

Then again, Ayn Rand condemns religion and the importance of the family as the basis of society, so perhaps a monarchy is necessary in such conditions, as it existed in her precious Russia.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

WTF?

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Prolly a broad. Low level secretary.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

bayam on August 21, 2012

Del? You got any grades for this yutz tonight?

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Most likely an outlier, but there is a poll in Florida that has romney up 54%-40%.

midgeorgian on August 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM

That’s the same polling company that has Romney up 6 in Michigan today. What gives? What are the seeing or not seeing?

bgibbs1000 on August 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM

What sentient ,carbon-based entity could possibly find this petty, thin skinned,arrogant creep “likable”?
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This has to be the result of the relentlessly cheer leading uncritical “see no evil” media regarding prince precious.
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MSM losing it’s influence?
I.Don’t.Think.So.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on August 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM

If Mitt is within MOE for an NBC poll, fine by me.

budfox on August 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Prolly a broad. Low level secretary.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Correct on #1. #2 I’ll never know.

My first thought was….BITE—HAND…

?

Another analogy maybe crapping in one’s mess kit……

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM

How does this redistributing to the upper class work..
without the unemployed middle class?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Electrongod:

Oh Please…….Hopey/Changey,er,Dopey/Ragey is gonna sprinkle
“FAIRY DUST”,and *WHAM* *BAM*,its gonna “Tinkle,er,Trickle UP”!!:)
(snark)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Name me the last General election candidate with the most charisma to lose? I have been saying for years that charisma is the key to winning a TV election. Call it likability if you wish, cause charisma a complicated subject. But Obama has the edge and its an advantage that isn’t going away.

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

But Obama has the edge and its an advantage that isn’t going away.

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Charisma? Surely you jest. Black worship instituted by Hollywood. Nothing more. Like homosexual glorification.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Remember the sample they dropped on us in July? That was a big ol’ D+11, which meant NBC’s sample imagined an electorate considerably more Democratic than the electorate that handed Obama a landslide in 2008. (The exit poll on election night was D+7.)

why would we be surprised by these results? We already know that NBC is a legitimate unbiased news based network…….right?

/sarc off

Vntnrse on August 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703916004576270832244940992.html

Then again, Ayn Rand condemns religion and the importance of the family as the basis of society, so perhaps a monarchy is necessary in such conditions, as it existed in her precious Russia.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

bayam:On a side-note:)

Heres a trick,to get the whole article,Copy/Paste the Headline,then the author,plug it in to google,and viola!!

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Actually, this is the only way for Obamanation to get ahead in the polls…..oversampling by +11 to +6.

Pretty darn funny if you ask me, sortuv like watching a woman prance/walk down the street with her slip dragging around her ankles unbeknownst to her, but apparent to everyone else.
(^o^)

avagreen on August 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Bayam..

I have a home business..
That provides a product for a small company making 250K or more…
They (5 employees and two owners) put this product into a larger product and sell to companies making 10′s of millions and have 100′s of employees…
Trickle up/Trickle down..

In the local company I sell to…One of the employees is a good friend that brews beer..
I buy this beer..
Trickle sideways?

We all have to work together for the economy to work…

Class warfare is poison to any recovery..

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Name me the last General election candidate with the most charisma to lose? I have been saying for years that charisma is the key to winning a TV election. Call it likability if you wish, cause charisma a complicated subject. But Obama has the edge and its an advantage that isn’t going away.

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

You didn’t see barack’s press conference yesterday, did you? The charisma thing was always a fiction, and it becomes more apparent every time he speaks these days. Let’s see how charismatic he is at the debates.

Rational Thought on August 21, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Why must you attempt to engage this fool in rational thought? Like libtard4life, he only understands one thing.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

BREAKING NEWS!

on Greta now! Palin urges Steelman to go 3rd party. Asks akin to pack bags

renalin on August 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

It takes a D+6 sample for Obama to win by 4. I would NOT be happy with those numbers if I were Obama.

Yosoff on August 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

the new party will be call “The status quo must go”

sign me up.

renalin on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I think we’re forgetting something important here and it’s good news. When pollsters call and get the party id of the respondents the percentage that identify as D/R/I is part of the enthusiasm factor which leads to who shows up on election day.

That D+11 last month wasn’t good news (we can yell about the breakdown all we want but who picks up the phone and how they identify themselves does matter).

That number has dropped by 5% in one month.

MaggiePoo on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I have a home business..
That provides a product for a small company making 250K or more…
They (5 employees and two owners) put this product into a larger product and sell to companies making 10′s of millions and have 100′s of employees…
Trickle up/Trickle down..

In the local company I sell to…One of the employees is a good friend that brews beer..
I buy this beer..
Trickle sideways?

We all have to work together for the economy to work…

Class warfare is poison to any recovery..

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I agree, so let’s not call anyone who supports healtcare reform a socialist. Or assume that you’re a ‘real’ capitalist, while Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Eric Schmidt and other great entrepreneurs who support Obama are communists.
Let’s grow up and escape the mindset that people at the bottom of society are the source of this country’s problems. If the lower class vanished tomorrow, nothing would really change- China would continue to destroy manufacturing jobs, an aging population would push entitlement spending higher, and other structural problems in the US economy would prevent higher job growth.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

This is the sad thing… those polls might be true!
We have to step up and fight a dirty campaign. Yes, dirty. We must get at the core of O’s popularity and policy. THEY are going to do whatever it takes to win? Are we? Or are we can going to stick with our puritanical self-righteous moralism and not apply the type of burning heat we need to seriously chip away at O’s popularity? Because we know that O is going to do it to Romney. If we don’t fight fire with fire, we could lose. It’s about winning, not about running a “good decent campaign” McCain would be proud of, because our nation is at stake, and the other side is going to hold nothing back and pull out all the dirty tricks to win. Make a calculation about what what is needed to win, not about what is needed to be “decent.” Because if O wins, “decent” is not going to be the description of what happens to this country.

anotherJoe on August 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Why must you attempt to engage this fool in rational thought? Like libtard4life, he only understands one thing.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Yeah..I know..

Obama is Awesome..

*spit*

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

sign me up.

renalin on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I already did. Hope that wasn’t presumptuous.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

mittens still sux!

Pragmatic on August 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

I can’t pay attention to polls yet, I’ll be a wreck.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Steelman can not run third party! There is a sore loser law in Missouri..

sandee on August 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Anyone who believes in the fantasy of the Ryan plan doing anything other than redistributing wealth in such a way as to create and enshrine a permanent upper class.

That is the goal of the democrat party. Stagnated classes. Proles and rulers.

Then again, Ayn Rand condemns religion and the importance of the family as the basis of society, so perhaps a monarchy is necessary in such conditions, as it existed in her precious Russia.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Failure to understand Rand, religion, and Ryan.

You have done nothing but confess your ignorance while playing Alinsky.

You fail libtard.

tom daschle concerned on August 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM

bayam:On a side-note:)

Heres a trick,to get the whole article,Copy/Paste the Headline,then the author,plug it in to google,and viola!!

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Sorry about that, a good point. I’ve been criticized in the past for not sharing free links and the WSJ isn’t a socialist organization ;)

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I am not saying Obama is a great speaker or that the liberals on TV didn’t inflate his image. But Obama has more charisma then either McCain or Romney. Its just obvious. No shame in admitting it. Not even calling charisma a good thing. Just saying that Obama has more of “it” then Romney and its a problem for the Rpublicans.

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM

It’s not the R/D split that I question (although D+11 is silly), but that this poll seriously undersamples Independents. In the last poll it was I/16, this poll it’s I/13.

opustx on August 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Let’s grow up and escape the mindset that people at the bottom of society are the source of this country’s problems. If the lower class vanished tomorrow, nothing would really change- China would continue to destroy manufacturing jobs, an aging population would push entitlement spending higher, and other structural problems in the US economy would prevent higher job growth.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Will China continue to fund our dependency?
For how long?
If we as a nation want to have any security….
We must Grow Up…

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Before Akin tripped over his tongue I figured Romney 48%, Obama 46%, Other 6%.

Now, post “legitimate”, Obama 49%, Romney 45%, Other 6%.

Thanks Todd.

The longer he lingers, the more sure Obama’s chances become.

profitsbeard on August 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Not thinking Akin will have much bearing on the race for POTUS. He may be toast, but I’m doubting R’n’R will feel much, if anything, from his megaflub.

RedNewEnglander on August 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Newsflash: even the smallest amount of charisma does not contain a queer lisp.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Let’s see how charismatic he is at the debates.
Rational Thought on August 21, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Yeah, suddenly no one in the MSM will be able to count the numbers of ‘ums, ahs, thaaaat’ nor the seconds between each as the Jug-Eared Jackass searches for words in his neuron limited cranium and compare them to Romneys’ fluid answers. Instead they’ll just declare “Obama edges Romney in debate” no matter what actually transpired. Hell, Obama could defecate on stage and the reported result would be the same.

RavingLunatic on August 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Let’s grow up and escape the mindset that people at the bottom of society are the source of this country’s problems. If the lower class vanished tomorrow, nothing would really change-

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Blind hog finds an acorn. This is why OWS will never amount to more than a bunch of anarchist brats.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

:)

renalin on August 21, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM

James Dean?

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Heres a trick,to get the whole article,Copy/Paste the Headline,then the author,plug it in to google,and viola!!

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

I thought conservatives hate freebies. Just pay the $100 or so yearly subscription. It’s still cheaper than the “liberal” NYT

loveofcountry on August 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

mittens still sux!

Pragmatic on August 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

So do you, parrot.

wargamer6 on August 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM

James Dean?

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I don’t remember him whistling his Ss so loud that it hurts my ears. McCain had it as well.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM

OT, but Ryan needs to pound Oclueless with THIS…
“The Labor Department paid out hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal stimulus funds to a public relations firm to run more than 100 commercials touting the Obama administration’s “green training” job efforts on two MSNBC cable shows, records show

Read more: Labor Department spends stimulus funds for ads during Olbermann, Maddow shows – Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/21/stimulus-funds-spent-obama-ads-olbermann-maddow/

NOT ONE JOB WAS SAVED OR CREATED…

lovingmyUSA on August 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Failure to understand Rand, religion, and Ryan.

Let’s quote Ryan on Rand then
“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan said this year. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas…Don’t give me Ayn Rand.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79597.html#ixzz24EscqZ85

You have done nothing but confess your ignorance while playing Alinsky.

You fail libtard.

tom daschle concerned on August 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Then help me understand… because I continue reading analysis that points to the problem with a voucher system which fails to compensate Medicare recipients at the actual rate of healthcare inflation while repealing the cost containment measures of the ACA. It’s not clear how the middle class benefits from Ryan’s proposed structural change to healthcare spending.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Most folks don’t even pay attention until after the conventions – ergo any current poll is largely irrelevant.

GarandFan on August 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Sorry about that, a good point. I’ve been criticized in the past for not sharing free links and the WSJ isn’t a socialist organization ;)

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM

bayam:

No sorry,even on Hot air,clicking the Linky,only gets you
the first paragraph,no biggie,its about getting the info——–:)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Class warfare is poison to any recovery..

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

CLass warfare is poison to any democracy or republic.

FIFY

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

mittens still sux!

Pragmatic on August 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

And you’d know all about sucking…

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

This poll polls 12% of the voters who did not vote in 2008 and 30% of the voters who did not vote in 2010.

We already know that people who don’t vote support Obama, if Obama is up by only 4 with this sample, I think Romney is in pretty good shape.

JAZ on August 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

the new party will be call “The status quo must go”

sign me up.

renalin on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

That would be the Tea Party.

Welcome!

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

I thought conservatives hate freebies. Just pay the $100 or so yearly subscription. It’s still cheaper than the “liberal” NYT

loveofcountry on August 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

loveofcountry:Lol,we in Canada,have our ways,haha!:)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Allahpundit, based on what you are making poll analysis? Rasmussen and Gallup are vastly more accurate than the media media organization polls based on the following:

1. The media organizations poll are overampling democrats in a ridiculous way. Any poll that oversample democrats by more than 3 points over Republicans should be thrown in the trash. However Gallup and Rasmussen have much better party ID breakdown in their polls

2. The daily tracking polls poll almost 30,000 people a month EACH. A media organization poll is based on 1,000 people per month. Therefore the daily tracking poll with much larger sampling are going to be more accurate.

mnjg on August 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM

\I am not saying Obama is a great speaker or that the liberals on TV didn’t inflate his image. But Obama has more charisma then either McCain or Romney. Its just obvious. No shame in admitting it. Not even calling charisma a good thing. Just saying that Obama has more of “it” then Romney and its a problem for the Rpublicans.

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM

If you define charisma as me watching a tennis match and getting a crook in my neck with Obama flipping back and forth from teleprompter to teleprompter with an occasional nod to the “FOLKS” actually there, or even the camera, then I agree.

If however, for one minute the camera would pan back far enough for most people to see that he is looking at the screens 85% of the time, I believe your charisma would vanish. All smoke, mirrors, and Hollywood theatrics. Do you really believe Tom Cruise is 6’4?

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Let’s grow up and escape the mindset that people at the bottom of society are the source of this country’s problems. If the lower class vanished tomorrow, nothing would really change- China would continue to destroy manufacturing jobs, an aging population would push entitlement spending higher, and other structural problems in the US economy would prevent higher job growth.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

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Huh uh, you ain’t getting with that.

Nobody here thinks that “people at the bottom of society are the source of this country’s problems”.

People in the “elitist class” are using the lower class like a tool, against the middle class, towards the goal of keeping people from both lower and middle class from climbing up to the elites level.

Where do you even draw the line of definition between middle and upper class? I don’t believe you can do it.

listens2glenn on August 21, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Then help me understand… because I continue reading analysis that points to the problem with a voucher system which fails to compensate Medicare recipients at the actual rate of healthcare inflation while repealing the cost containment measures of the ACA. It’s not clear how the middle class benefits from Ryan’s proposed structural change to healthcare spending.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

“Cost containment measures”. What a cute euphemism. Explain how they work, please.

Chuck Schick on August 21, 2012 at 10:55 PM

It’s not clear how the middle class benefits from Ryan’s proposed structural change to healthcare spending.

bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Because it gets the frigging GOVERNMENT (AND AARP) out of the middle and puts private enterprise back in.

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:55 PM

profitsbeard on August 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Not thinking Akin will have much bearing on the race for POTUS. He may be toast, but I’m doubting R’n’R will feel much, if anything, from his megaflub.

RedNewEnglander on August 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Ryan will be chained (sic) by the MSM and DNC and their proxies to Akin for pushing the same bill for abortion control as Todd.

Ryan is Akin with a sixpack.

Ryan wants women to be forced to bear rapists’ babies.

Ryan is a younger, longer-lasting Akin.

Or, as the banner on the plane that flew over a Ryan rally today in Pa. said: “ROMNEY RYAN AKIN- Wrong for Women

The media will glue Akin to Ryan and the schmutz will rub off.

profitsbeard on August 21, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

CLass warfare is poison to any democracy or republic.

FIFY

Tenwheeler on August 21, 2012 at 10:47 PM

.
Class warfare is poison to any group of people, unless it’s a group of one (1).

listens2glenn on August 21, 2012 at 10:59 PM

mittens still sux!

Pragmatic on August 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM

What a good little parrot you are. Here’s your cracker. Now go peck at the mirror in your cage until a new thread is posted where you will repeat the same idiocy.

Flora Duh on August 21, 2012 at 10:59 PM

“Cost containment measures”. What a cute euphemism. Explain how they work, please.

Chuck Schick on August 21, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Its called exploding deficits as far as the eye can see.

The ACA is nothing but wealth redistribution and population control.

Obamacare was mainly aimed at redistributing wealth
By: Byron York Chief Political Correspondent
April 2, 2010

It hasn’t attracted much notice, but recently some prominent advocates of Obamacare have spoken more frankly than ever before about why they supported a national health care makeover. It wasn’t just about making insurance more affordable.
It wasn’t just about bending the cost curve. It wasn’t just about cutting the federal deficit. It was about redistributing wealth.

Health reform is “an income shift,” Democratic Sen. Max Baucus said on March 25. “It is a shift, a leveling, to help lower income, middle income Americans.”

In his halting, jumbled style, Baucus explained that in recent years “the maldistribution of income in America has gone up way too much, the wealthy are getting way, way too wealthy, and the middle income class is left behind.” The new health care legislation, Baucus promised, “will have the effect of addressing that maldistribution of income in America.”

At about the same time, Howard Dean, the former Democratic National Committee chairman and presidential candidate, said the health bill was needed to correct economic inequities. “The question is, in a democracy, what is the right balance between those at the top … and those at the bottom?” Dean said during an appearance on CNBC. “When it gets out of whack, as it did in the 1920s, and it has now, you need to do some redistribution. This is a form of redistribution.”

Summing things up in the New York Times, the liberal economics columnist David Leonhardt called Obamacare “the federal government’s biggest attack on economic inequality since inequality began rising more than three decades ago.”

Now they tell us. For many opponents of the new legislation, the statements confirmed a nagging suspicion that for Barack Obama and Democrats in Congress, the health fight was about more than just insurance — that redistribution played a significant, if largely unspoken, part in the drive for national health care.

“I don’t think most people, when they think of the health care bill, instantly think it’s a vehicle to redistribute wealth,” says pollster Scott Rasmussen. “But we do know that people overwhelmingly believe it will lead to an increase in middle class taxes, and we do know that people are concerned that it will hurt their own quality of care, so I think their gut instincts point in that direction.”

By talking openly about redistribution, Baucus and others have gone seriously off-message. Democrats knew there was no way they could ever sell a national health care bill to a skeptical public by basing their case on income inequality.
That’s one reason they went to such lengths to argue — preposterously, in the view of most Americans — that the bill could cover 32 million currently uninsured people and still save the taxpayers money.

After Baucus’ statement, I asked a Democratic strategist (who asked to remain nameless) whether fighting income inequality was one of his goals in supporting the legislation. Never, he said. “That’s what the tax code is for.”

“It was not to take something away from rich people, it was to provide something to people without coverage,” he continued, making a distinction between striving for universal coverage and seeking to redistribute income. But he quickly saw that Democrats talking about redistribution could be politically damaging, echoing the controversy that erupted when candidate Obama famously told Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher that “when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

” ‘Redistribution’ is an easy charge to make,” the Democrat said. “I’m not surprised that it’s an argument critics make; what I’m surprised at is that Democrats are making it.”

This week the DNC group Organizing for America offered a commemorative certificate to supporters who helped pass the health care bill. The certificate said, “We achieved the dream of generations — high-quality, affordable health care is no longer the privilege of a few, but the right of all.”

The privilege of a few? It is widely accepted that about 85 percent of all Americans have health care coverage, and the overwhelming majority are happy with it. There’s simply no way anyone could plausibly claim that health coverage is the privilege of a few.

And yet that is the bedrock belief of some who supported the health care makeover. So it’s no wonder that we’re hearing about health care as the redistribution of income. Of course, we’re only hearing it after the bill has passed.

tom daschle concerned on August 21, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Polls can never help Republicans, only hurt them. Polls mostly exist to scare Republican politicians into doing unprincipled things.

In the whole art of the possible realm, ending polls for good is the easiest and most beneficial thing Republicans could do.

Buddahpundit

Agree wholeheartedly.

We should be talking about issues, not “horse race” – especially when the organizations taking the polls ARE NOT “neutral.”

BD57 on August 21, 2012 at 11:02 PM

The National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee, which helps recruit and fund senate candidates for the GOP, went so far as to bluntly warn Akin he would be on his own financially and that they would not make good on plans to advertise on his behalf.

Still, if he’s able to weather the current storm and stay within striking distance of McCaskill, Democratic and Republican operatives alike have questioned how long that resolve would last.

And while Republicans continue to insist they won’t back track, history seems to suggest they haven’t always stood firm against intransigent candidates.

That’s funny, just a few hours ago, Reince Priebus told Mark Levin that if Akin is doing okay by the time the next deadline comes in the middle of September they would not just leave him hanging. He also promised to help Michelle Bachman, when up to this point, I guess they haven’t.

Night Owl on August 21, 2012 at 11:02 PM

I agree, so let’s not call anyone who supports healtcare reform a socialist.

Not everyone that supports health care reform is a socialist because there are many different view of what “reform” actually is. The premise that only Lefties advocate “reform” is false. Conservatives and libertarians have been advocating different kinds of reform for years. Many would even say that ObamaCare is the opposite of reform: it freezes and doubles-down on current flaws in the market. It’s a terrible law.

If the lower class vanished tomorrow
bayam on August 21, 2012 at 10:34 PM

We don’t have a “lower class.” We do not live in a class-locked society. No one is locked into a class at birth. People tend to gain wealth over time. Rich people get poorer. Etc.

We are, however, headed towards a permanent underclass, courtesy of the Progressive ideology. For example, the Left has destroyed the public education system.

visions on August 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM

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