Deadline passes: Akin defies calls to drop out

posted at 6:01 pm on August 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

I didn’t listen to his interview on Sean Hannity’s radio show this afternoon but conservative tweeters were rapt. This sounds promising:

And here’s something that, coming from most other pols, I’d chalk up to feigned ignorance of a politically inconvenient fact. In this case? Not so sure:

According to Geraghty, Hannity ended the segment by saying, “The person who’s going to be happiest with this interview is Claire McCaskill.” You think? I don’t know: Akin’s inner circle seems downright psyched about this glorious opportunity to overcome adversity.

On the seemingly dire politics of staying in the race, Akin advisers assert, “The truth might work,” referring to what they consider his sincere apology.

Projecting unusual confidence in the face of so much opposition, advisers even predicted that Akin will be sworn into office in January “stronger having endured and overcome.”

And they claim he will consider this experience a “blessing,” because Akin would have a new national audience for his grassroots causes and be better able to speak to people who believe the political process has “left them by the side of the road.”

If overcoming this gaffe will leave him a little bit stronger, imagine how much stronger he’ll be after overcoming the inevitable four or five major gaffes still to come. One more thing from the Hannity bit:

Not a bad development for Romney to have a guy as radioactive as this suddenly grumbling publicly about him, but I can’t remember the last time the GOP’s presidential nominee and its Senate nominee in a key swing state were publicly on the outs.

I’m tempted to end this with the traditional Hot Air “melting bunny of despair” clip, but when it comes to video expressions of fear and loathing, we can do better than that now, can’t we?


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I wish childbirth didn’t involve women.

If men were the ones who got pregnant , we’d be squirting them out like it was nothing and going about our business.

And every woman in the country would be anti-abortion. You know it and i know it. :)

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Aren’t you violating your own rule about never offending women?

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Explain that to your daughter while she’s serving a 9 month prison sentence just so you can feel good.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Or, what happens when the daughter commits suicide after the rape?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129105/Rape-girl-driven-suicide-ordeal-court.html

Here’s the deal: I don’t want to tell some other family how to live. It’s not my business.

No one has any business telling my family how to live. We make the judgment call we think is best. If my daughter or wife got pregnant after rape and if an abortion helps me keep them, then yes. It is what it is.

beatcanvas on August 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

akins probably was going to lose anyway as apparrently he said this kind of stuff all the time.

that’s why you need primary runoffs. SC leads the way on these.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

+1

Animal60 on August 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Teaching your kids about the sanctity of life while rescuing a daughter from a nightmare of epic proportions are not mutually exclusive.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

+1,000,000. If it’s really ‘sanctity of life’ that they’re so d@mn concerned about, I’ll pick the sanctity of the living, sentient woman whose sanctity has just been violated in the worst possible manner.

If I’m wrong, I have willingly accepted the fact that I’ll get a scolding from God. I’ll politely disagree with fellow anti-abortion people who politely disagree with me. But I’ll take no bull from fundie nutjobs about my stance.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Akin fever! His lunacy seems to be bringing out the crazy in everyone tonight.

ctwelve on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

On the plus side, though, those fundies don’t often kill inconvenient babies.

Which, to be honest, puts them way ahead of you.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:23 PM

I like the God of convenience and the sacrifices I make to him, He is more real the fundies god.

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I want to see Akin down front in a lecture hall at Johns Hopkins, giving a scholarly presentation on the emotion-triggered reproductive switch-off function in the female biologic system.

He would be carried from the hall on a palanquin as PhD candidates threw rose petals on the path.

It would undoubtedly win him a Nobel Prize.

Tens of thousands would be out of work as the contraceptive industry collapsed.

Planned Parenthood would sing his praises like a chorus of heavenly angels.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

The rapist did “crawl up inside the body” of the woman, leaving a reminder of the crime, and to make the woman risk death herself (pregnancy complications can be fatal) in order to bear the child of her attacker seems a tad unrealistic, psychologically, biologically and ethically.

The safety and survival woman takes precedence over the fertilized egg in this instance.

Thanks Akin for giving Obama this Political Gift.

profitsbeard on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

So are you “just a reminder”?

If so and I kill you is it murder because after all you are not a person you are “just a reminder”.

If raped the morning after pill will no doubt remain legal. But I can see a religious argument even against that.

But this is a human being we are talking about. A human being should have rights.

I have never heard anyone argue that a mother should die in order to save the life of an unborn child and remain politically viable. But I personally am against a Rape or Mental Health exception. I am for sterilization of the mentally incompetent though that should be a decision made by professionals and the guardians.

Adoption is the correct answer in these cases.

But so what. Not like my view has any chance of becoming law or his.

Steveangell on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Corporal Tunnel on August 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

During the primaries, he became the Santorum equivalent of a Paulistinian.

Next thing we know, he’ll be doing this…

“Paulsamic Vinegar” Mom: Ron Paul Supporters Spray Vinegar at the Sky to Fight “Chemtrails”…I’m Not Kidding

Resist We Much on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Faithful to the ‘self-evident’ truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed, We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Most of us aren’t disagreeing with that.

72 hours ago that Senate race was about McCaskill’s support of Obamacare and her support of Obama’s crappy economic policies.

Now it is about Abortion and Rape.

It distracts of McCaskills true weaknesses because anybody in Missouri who is Pro-Life wasn’t voting for McCaskill to begin with.

Bluray on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

tom,

i’m not running for office.

offending women on comment boards is half the fun.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

The difference is that the 80$ do not try to force their opinion on you. Why don’t you let God pass judgement and punishment on those who made those choices of a termination if they become pregnant through rape? If those choices were cardinal sins, those who made them will have to face the consequences themselves.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Now the question is how to convince the agnostics who don’t look at abortion through a religious lens, what do you say to them?

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

I will vote against Mitt the Communist I do not know.

Steveangell on August 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Drunk guy = Scrollby.

RushBaby on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

offending women on comment boards is half the fun.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Who says chivalry is dead. Do you elbow your way past a woman to get in a door first?

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

We need to not acknowledge this cretin’s existence unless it’s to disavow him. The minute the RNC or the Senate Republicans give him a single red cent there will be commercials spanning the country about how the Republicans are supporting the candidate that thinks if you got pregnant from a rape you really weren’t raped. He is radio-active. Run an independent or write of Missouri completely, if we take ownership of our village idiot it will go badly.

LawnGnomeFanFirst on August 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

The difference is that the 80$ do not try to force their opinion on you. Why don’t you let God pass judgement and punishment on those who made those choices of a termination if they become pregnant through rape? If those choices were cardinal sins, those who made them will have to face the consequences themselves.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

“Social Conservatives” are not conservatives. They just want the power of government to force their beliefs on everyone else. In reality they are no different than liberals…..just a different viewpoint.

Animal60 on August 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

women wouldn’t find out how pro-life zealot i am until i was safely elected.

THen I would be banning abortions left and right.

I’m not the smarest dude on the planet but i’m no Akin either.

W”hahahahaha.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Read the rest of the posts KMav.

The impression I get is that some would place their absolute pro-life position over the misery of their child enduring a full term pregnancy from being raped by some slimeball.

All in the name of their “principles” so they can go to bed at night feeling good about themselves.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

So if it is to protect the unborn you repect their position?

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

he passed his scientific wisdom to his homeschooled kids.

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM

This is child abuse.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Who says chivalry is dead. Do you elbow your way past a woman to get in a door first?

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

only at dinner time.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Even if by some off…make that way off, chance this guy can somehow salvage a win in the general, what kind of crap will he pull once he’s elected. He’s obviously not a team player. He seems to be more of a fringe type wild card. And do we really need another halfwit in Congress? Don’t we have enough of them already?…and isn’t that what got this country in part of this mess we’re in? Okay…so he’ll be a conservative moron Senator instead of a liberal moron Senator. Big deal. How do we know he won’t all of a sudden decide that repealing Obamacare is not what God wants him to do. Or maybe his wife has too much of a negative influence. He’s not exactly inspiring any sort of confidence as to how reliably he might behave.

lynncgb on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Akin fever! His lunacy seems to be bringing out the crazy in everyone tonight.

ctwelve on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

It’s The War of Fake Outrage

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Now the question is how to convince the agnostics who don’t look at abortion through a religious lens, what do you say to them?

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Be careful of that step, it’s a doozy.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Now the question is how to convince the agnostics who don’t look at abortion through a religious lens, what do you say to them?

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

People should act on their own conscience and live with their choices.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Who says chivalry is dead. Do you elbow your way past a woman to get in a door first?

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

only at dinner time.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I don’t care what they say about you Dr. T. You do make me laugh.

lynncgb on August 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

It’s The War of Fake Outrage

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Uh-uh. A lot of the outrage here is very real.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The impression I get is that some would place their absolute pro-life position over the misery of their child enduring a full term pregnancy from being raped by some slimeball.

All in the name of their “principles” so they can go to bed at night feeling good about themselves.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

People who have principles just so they can go to bed at night feeling good about themselves don’t really have principles at all.

Having principles sometimes sucks, to be blunt. Why do you think so many people are willing to dispense with them when they get in the way?

In fact, you don’t really find out sometimes if you will stick to your principles until it actually hurts.

I have great sympathy for anyone facing such a choice. Of course they want to get rid of the baby. But if the only way to get rid of the baby is to kill it, then it’s not so easy a choice as you make it sound.

Rape resulting in pregnancy creates a no-win scenario. The victim, if actually raped, is absolutely a victim, and it’s absolutely not fair that she should have to pay any more penalty on top of the rape.

But it wasn’t the baby that raped her, and it’s absolutely unfair to just kill it.

On the other hand, I have no sympathy for those who pretend that carrying a child to term because you value life, even though you were raped, is easy. And I have no sympathy for those who pretend that killing the baby has solved the whole thing.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

A lot of the outrage here is very real.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The way these blog lynch mobs go, is that everyone has to be just a little more outraged than the last guy. Until. POW! Hang him! This one is no different. Look back on this one in a couple of weeks, and we will wonder what the fuss was about.

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

People should act on their own conscience and live with their choices.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

if we have the choice!! the fundies are trying to take it from us!

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

I think we were had by the Democrats on this one… McCaskill will be the Senator from MO again since apparently she did her homework on Akin, spent money on getting him the nomination and mobilized the Democrats to vote for him in the primary. Why there is an open Republican primary in MO is beyond me since many of us have been screaming since 2008 to shut those down…

McCaskill is going to laugh all the way back to D.C…. She’ll send a Thank you card to all the Republicans who will star in her campaign videos against Akin…

I really really hope that Missourians hate Obamacare and Socialism more than a sincere but inarticulate man like Akin

CCRWM on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

People should act on their own conscience and live with their choices.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

So no laws protecting babies in the womb?

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

And I have no sympathy for those who pretend that killing the baby has solved the whole thing.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

+1. And I have no illusions about that fact. Even without the 9 months of misery possibly followed by another 18 years of a living reminder, there are still scars.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The rapist did “crawl up inside the body” of the woman, leaving a reminder of the crime, and to make the woman risk death herself (pregnancy complications can be fatal) in order to bear the child of her attacker seems a tad unrealistic, psychologically, biologically and ethically.

The safety and survival woman takes precedence over the fertilized egg in this instance.

Thanks Akin for giving Obama this Political Gift.

profitsbeard on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Pregnancy complications regarding the life of the mother aren’t the issue here. I don’t see anyone objecting to that, including all Christian churches. That’s a straw man.

A reminder of the crime is what you call a growing child inside a womb. How interesting that you refuse to all an unborn child what it is. Are you 100% pro-abortion or only on a matter of degree. When is a life not worthy of life?

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Really? So if you had a 14 year old daughter who was raped and impregnated by some scumbag, you’d force her to deliver that baby?
You’re kidding, right?
BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Really? You would force your daughter to abort your own flesh and blood grandchild and leave her with two emotional scars? Good luck meeting your maker on judgement day if you call yourself a believer. Why should he forgive you when you’re unwilling to forgive your own flesh and blood and grant the baby the gift of life that God granted it?

Like it or not, there are many conservatives that believe all life is sacred, regardless of how they were conceived.

AH_C on August 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

So if it is to protect the unborn you repect their position?

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Would I respect someone who forced unbearable misery on a child? No, I wouldn’t.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Not when you’re talking about abortion.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

if we have the choice!! the fundies are trying to take it from us!

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

You got a little bit of….spittle there…you should really cover your mouth when you talk because the food bits are flying everywhere.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I personally think rapists should be hung by their unit in the courthouse square with a big bucket of rocks for any concerned citizen to use.

Teaching your kids about the sanctity of life while rescuing a daughter from a nightmare of epic proportions are not mutually exclusive.

Explain that to your daughter while she’s serving a 9 month prison sentence just so you can feel good.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I grew up around a wonderful girl that was the product of a violent rape and her and her mother were grateful that she was alive and that mom did not abort her. Not sure what you think happens in an abortion, but an unborn child is killed.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

if we have the choice!! the fundies are trying to take it from us!

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Stow the Chicken Little nonsense. The fundies haven’t been able to take jack squat, and unless Roe is repealed they never will.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

People who have principles just so they can go to bed at night feeling good about themselves don’t really have principles at all.

Having principles sometimes sucks, to be blunt. Why do you think so many people are willing to dispense with them when they get in the way?

In fact, you don’t really find out sometimes if you will stick to your principles until it actually hurts.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

this is ok, but what about other people that don’t have your principles? you would you want to impose your principles on them?

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

So… let me get this straight. Killing a baby will make a victim forget her rape?

/ see I can escalate the outrage :)

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Very well said.

Honestly, it would be a horrible thing to face. And I would be quite willing to face my maker on judgement day and let Him decide if it was right or wrong.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I think we were had by the Democrats on this one… McCaskill will be the Senator from MO again since apparently she did her homework on Akin, spent money on getting him the nomination and mobilized the Democrats to vote for him in the primary…

CCRWM on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Perhaps, but no one could have predicted that Akin would say something as ignorant and idiotic as this and then compound his stupidity by sticking to his guns. If she did, she’s a fvcking genius and more Psychic than that Long Island MILF on TV.

Corporal Tunnel on August 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

OK, so now we Akin has to get a court order to withdraw. Does anyone know what this requires in MO? I wouldn’t think it should be mission impossible. The question is whether this guy will realize the position that he has put himself in sooner rather than later.

chazmaz on August 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I am socially conservative with a few caveats, so I would agree with the latter and not the former. I’m only a small ‘l’ Libertarian. Cheers!

Corporal Tunnel on August 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate the back and forth.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Stow the Chicken Little nonsense. The fundies haven’t been able to take jack squat, and unless Roe is repealed they never will.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

they sure try! and in the process we get these horrible representatives that get elected mostly because the support given to this single issue from their fundie base.

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Read the rest of the posts KMav.

The impression I get is that some would place their absolute pro-life position over the misery of their child enduring a full term pregnancy from being raped by some slimeball.

All in the name of their “principles” so they can go to bed at night feeling good about themselves.

BacaDog on August 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

It has nothing to do with principles and everything to do with the sanctity of life. I’m surprised you don’t understand that.

That said, let’s get to the point where we can overturn Roe. Then get to the point where we realize that abortion is evil and ban it in all cases except rape and incest. Then we can have this debate.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

“Social Conservatives” are not conservatives. They just want the power of government to force their beliefs on everyone else. In reality they are no different than liberals…..just a different viewpoint.

Animal60 on August 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Stupid talking point keeps getting stupider every time it’s repeated. I could make a better argument that people who aren’t social conservatives aren’t really conservative at all.

It’s not the social conservatives that keep spending money like it’s water, or try to build a “Great Society,” among other things.

And do you know why that is? Because social conservatives don’t see the government as the instrument to build a more perfect nation. That’s the world view of the progressives.

Point your metaphorical guns at the progressives instead of at your potential allies.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Two more prominent conservative groups, American Family Association and Family Research Council come to defense of Akin:

Bryan Fischer Says Todd Akin’s Comments About ‘Legitimate Rape’ Were ‘Absolutely Right’ (VIDEO)

This is not just Akin. It’s the majority of GOP. The reason Akin is getting blasted for his honesty is the threat of losing the seat, not disagreement with what he said.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate the back and forth.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Likewise. Regards. :-)

Corporal Tunnel on August 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

+1,000,000. If it’s really ‘sanctity of life’ that they’re so d@mn concerned about, I’ll pick the sanctity of the living, sentient woman whose sanctity has just been violated in the worst possible manner.

If I’m wrong, I have willingly accepted the fact that I’ll get a scolding from God. I’ll politely disagree with fellow anti-abortion people who politely disagree with me. But I’ll take no bull from fundie nutjobs about my stance.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

So you’re 100% pro-abortion then. Because how do you determine where a woman’s mental health comes into play. Either that or you’re pro-death. Haven’t figured that one out yet.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

This is not just Biden. It’s the majority of the demorat party. The reason Biden is getting blasted for his honesty is the threat of losing the election, not disagreement with what he said.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Gonna put y’all back in chayuns!

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Is the FRC a hate group to you?

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

“Social Conservatives” are not conservatives. They just want the power of government to force their beliefs on everyone else. In reality they are no different than liberals…..just a different viewpoint.

Animal60 on August 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Go join the Libertarian Party. Then we’ll see how influential you really are without Social Conservatives.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Gonna put y’all back in chayuns!

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Oh brilliant! The good old distract when you’re at a loss argument.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

you would you want to impose your principles on them?

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

All laws are about imposing societies principals on you. I can name a number of laws I disagree with and feel imposed by. I am sure there is some law you feel imposed upon. Thats life. You have to learn to deal with the laws on the books. I hope to change Roe V Wade. Not likely to happen, but we are making a dent in it atleast. You can work to keep abortion legal if you wish. This what free speech is about.

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

So you’re 100% pro-abortion [illogical, ignorant statement] then. Because how do you determine where a woman’s mental health comes into play. Either that or you’re pro-death BS [BS fundie propaganda ]. Haven’t figured that one out yet.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Probably not, because you’re a cowardly little fool with the IQ of a lizard. I’ll explain it in small words for your benefit:

The VAST majority of abortions are for no other reason than convenience. I am against convenience abortions. Stop those and we stop the genocide. Abortions done by a woman in the distress of rape are very rare by comparison; and are not done on a selfish whim.

Got that?

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Oh brilliant! The good old distract when you’re at a loss argument.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

You read your altered quote, correct?

Funny how that works, but I’ll bet you’re shaking your head right now saying “Uh uh, that’s just good ol’ Joe being Joe! Not the same thing!”

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Is the FRC a hate group to you?

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Do you mean the pro-kidnapping, AIDS denialists who openly admit only Christians should be allowed to enjoy freedom of religion? And just today made the legitimate rape argument?

Yes.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

lester is concerned that his VP is not being equated to some random congressman that nobody has ever heard of.

lester believes that we are here to put him in chains.

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

ObamaCare versus Akin, your choice. This is what it will come down too, you either vote for Akin to repeal and lose a little of your soul or don’t vote at all and assure a McCaskill win. Choices really do suck sometimes.

DDay on August 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

People who have principles just so they can go to bed at night feeling good about themselves don’t really have principles at all.

Having principles sometimes sucks, to be blunt. Why do you think so many people are willing to dispense with them when they get in the way?

In fact, you don’t really find out sometimes if you will stick to your principles until it actually hurts.

I have great sympathy for anyone facing such a choice. Of course they want to get rid of the baby. But if the only way to get rid of the baby is to kill it, then it’s not so easy a choice as you make it sound.

Rape resulting in pregnancy creates a no-win scenario. The victim, if actually raped, is absolutely a victim, and it’s absolutely not fair that she should have to pay any more penalty on top of the rape.

But it wasn’t the baby that raped her, and it’s absolutely unfair to just kill it.

On the other hand, I have no sympathy for those who pretend that carrying a child to term because you value life, even though you were raped, is easy. And I have no sympathy for those who pretend that killing the baby has solved the whole thing.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Cannot imagine you’d find very many that would think carrying a child to term that was the product of a rape is easy. I think most would agree that it is very difficult, that the woman should be supported and helped by those close to her and that the unborn child should be protected and loved as well.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

You read your altered quote, correct?

Funny how that works, but I’ll bet you’re shaking your head right now saying “Uh uh, that’s just good ol’ Joe being Joe! Not the same thing!”

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Pretty solid imagination, but you fail at mind reading. Now let’s talk Biden in a Biden thread. This one is about your party’s widespread defense of legitimate rape.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Is the FRC a hate group to you?

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Yes.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

So, what should happen to them? Should Christians be forced to convert? Should they be sued for their thoughts/speech? Maybe a train car is good?

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Stow the Chicken Little nonsense. The fundies haven’t been able to take jack squat, and unless Roe is repealed they never will.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Good to know you’re as bigoted as Nathor when it comes to people of faith and their Constitutionally protected religious liberties.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

And by truce, I mean all you stupid ignorant fundie So-Cons need to shut up and surrender to everything progressives are pushing, so we can talk about the only thing that matters, the economy.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Look, you little pismire, I’m not stupid. I’m not ignorant. I’m not a “fundie”. And I’ve been here a hell of a lot longer than you have.
You might find it more ‘convenient’ to “shut up and surrender to everything “progressives” are pushing”, but there are those who don’t believe in “peace at any price”. I can’t believe that you actually advocate surrender to progressives – unless you count yourself as a “progressive”. Maybe you need to take some time off, junior, and think about what you really believe in. And just how much you are willing to compromise.

Solaratov on August 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

this is ok, but what about other people that don’t have your principles? you would you want to impose your principles on them?

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

You’re a moron, period. Passing any law is placing your principles on someone else. Get a clue.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

lester is concerned that his VP is not being equated to some random congressman that nobody has ever heard of.

lester believes that we are here to put him in chains.

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You mean the congressman from Minnesota looking for boy-love at highway rest stops isn’t indicative of how every demorat including Biden would act?

But….when a pol does something bad it automatically reflects the entire party…lester said so.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

ObamaCare versus Akin, your choice. This is what it will come down too, you either vote for Akin to repeal and lose a little of your soul or don’t vote at all and assure a McCaskill win. Choices really do suck sometimes.

DDay on August 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Since America gets the politicians it deserves, I shudder to think at what we’ve done to deserve a delusional forced-birther and his merry band of fundies on one side, and the looming specter of Obamacare on the other.

If I were to write a fiction book about a nation that was intellectually bankrupt, I swear I couldn’t make this kind of stuff up in a week’s worth of imagination.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

You’d think every woman or every dude’s daugher in here was going to get raped and then pregnant based on how emotional everybody is on this.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

ObamaCare versus Akin, your choice. This is what it will come down too, you either vote for Akin to repeal and lose a little of your soul or don’t vote at all and assure a McCaskill win. Choices really do suck sometimes.

DDay on August 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Lose a little of my soul? Already there. The Republican candidate is Mitt Romney, about the most politician-y politician you could ask for.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

That’s not normal for Minnesota? I thought they were just trying to keep each other warm in some viking way.

cozmo on August 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

All laws are about imposing societies principals on you. I can name a number of laws I disagree with and feel imposed by. I am sure there is some law you feel imposed upon. Thats life. You have to learn to deal with the laws on the books. I hope to change Roe V Wade. Not likely to happen, but we are making a dent in it atleast. You can work to keep abortion legal if you wish. This what free speech is about.

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Glad someone else caught that. Thank you.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 9:02 PM

You’d think every woman or every dude’s daugher in here was going to get raped and then pregnant based on how emotional everybody is on this.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Probably because people are imagining their daughter being forced (not choosing) to carry their rapist’s b@st@rd child to term, because a bunch of my-way-or-the-highway fundamentalists won’t allow it. I don’t even HAVE kids yet and the thought makes my blood boil.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

You sure seem to be getting very rattled at what you claim is mere foolishness.

VorDaj on August 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

That was a stupid statement from you.
I’ve only written the one comment to you – which hardly constitutes “getting very rattled”.

And, to reiterate: You’re making a fool of yourself.

Solaratov on August 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Probably not, because you’re a cowardly little fool with the IQ of a lizard. I’ll explain it in small words for your benefit:

The VAST majority of abortions are for no other reason than convenience. I am against convenience abortions. Stop those and we stop the genocide. Abortions done by a woman in the distress of rape are very rare by comparison; and are not done on a selfish whim.

Got that?

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Nope, I’m not the coward, you are. You’re logically inconsistent. You think abortion is wrong, except when it’s not. I never said abortion of any type was done on a selfish whim, especially not women that are pregnant by rape. That doesn’t change the fact that the unborn child is wholly innocent and you’re compounding the act of violence if you kill the unborn child.

As for my intellect, I’d be happy to face you in a battle of wits any day, but I fear you are ill equipped.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

This is not just Akin. It’s the majority of GOP. The reason Akin is getting blasted for his honesty is the threat of losing the seat, not disagreement with what he said.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I don’t know anyone with any sense of logic and common decency that can defend ‘The Female Body Has Ways to Shut Down Pregnancy in Case of Legitimate Rape’

With many of us, it’s not about ‘losing the seat.’

The problem with comments like this and politicians like Akin is that this feeds the left’s narrative that Republicans and Conservatives are ignorant hicks who are opposed to all Science and have no respect for women, especially women who have been victimized by rape.

It’s a perception that we need to change and we’ve been doing a decent job of that in recent years, but self-serving cretins like Akin always set us back with comments like this every time they open their mouths. What may be worse is that Akin shows his true colors as an entrenched politician who won’t step-down after doing something inexcusable because he enjoys the perks of the office. He comes across as a corrupt and entitled politician and unfortunately for us, as a member of our Political Party his mere existence can be politically gamed with every ‘guilt by association’ non-sequitur Democrats can dish out. The best we can do to retain our credibility is to reject him outright.

It’s not just political, it’s the right thing to do.

Corporal Tunnel on August 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

So no laws protecting babies in the womb?

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Is there one now? Even overturning Roe will just revert abortion regulation back to the states. You can bet that abortion will never be made illegal in CA, NY, MA, NJ, VT, OR and the likes. If you outlaw abortion in the US, people with money will go to Canada or Mexico to get their abortion.

The same people who want to outlaw abortion will scream loudly at having to support those babies who likely will be born into poverty and welfare.

Focus on resorting to persuasion, education, contraception to prevent pregnancy. And even if you are into protecting the unborn, why don’t you concentrate on elective abortion, instead of the minefield of the minority of pregnancies that stemmed from rape and incest and provoke a more rigorous fight back from more people on the other side. You are inciting for a skirmish and run risking losing the war.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

The problem with a ROmney victory that I think will happen is that we are stuck with him for 8 years most likely. Hopfully he’s going to be the Trojan horse of conservatism as Ann Coulter claims he is.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Not to worry. He hasn’t a chance in hell.

Even if we can’t get him out by court order, Missouri Republicans – and even the state party committee itself – will demand an alternative. The write-in might win, and might not win, but Akin is most definitely going to lose.

KingGold on August 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM

I have great confidence that a Republican write-in candidate would win… People in Missouri really hate McCaskill and this fool Akin would not get more than 5% of the vote… It is not over yet in Missouri Senate race by any stretch of imagination…

mnjg on August 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

You’d think every woman or every dude’s daugher in here was going to get raped and then pregnant based on how emotional everybody is on this.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Which, of course, is exactly why pro-abortionist are always asking about the extreme situations.

“What about in cases of rape?”

“What about in cases of incest?”

Meanwhile, about a million and a half babies are aborted every year who are NOT the products of rape and incest.

But if you keep talking about the extreme cases, then you can keep the focus on the pro-lifers “lack of compassion” and call them “extremists,” etc, while you keep the old abortion mills churning.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Melon,

Why do you care, it’s not like they have any power.

Yet.

W’hahahahah.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

tom,

the exception to the rule is always used to defend abortion. that’s why it’s an easy debate to win on the merits. :)

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Look, you little pismire, I’m not stupid. I’m not ignorant. I’m not a “fundie”. And I’ve been here a hell of a lot longer than you have.
You might find it more ‘convenient’ to “shut up and surrender to everything “progressives” are pushing”, but there are those who don’t believe in “peace at any price”. I can’t believe that you actually advocate surrender to progressives – unless you count yourself as a “progressive”. Maybe you need to take some time off, junior, and think about what you really believe in. And just how much you are willing to compromise.

Solaratov on August 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

He was speaking as they talk to us. He was talking how the social leftists on this site tell social conservatives to basically, “shut up, cause I said so.” He didn’t mean it literally.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

what if people write in Akin after he drops out. and then he wins. that would be pretty funny.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:09 PM

And by truce, I mean all you stupid ignorant fundie So-Cons need to shut up and surrender to everything progressives are pushing, so we can talk about the only thing that matters, the economy.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Look, you little pismire, I’m not stupid. I’m not ignorant. I’m not a “fundie”. And I’ve been here a hell of a lot longer than you have.
You might find it more ‘convenient’ to “shut up and surrender to everything “progressives” are pushing”, but there are those who don’t believe in “peace at any price”. I can’t believe that you actually advocate surrender to progressives – unless you count yourself as a “progressive”. Maybe you need to take some time off, junior, and think about what you really believe in. And just how much you are willing to compromise.

Solaratov on August 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Sigh. I should have learned by now: never assume a /sarc tag is not needed.

My bad.

tom on August 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM

All laws are about imposing societies principals on you. I can name a number of laws I disagree with and feel imposed by. I am sure there is some law you feel imposed upon. Thats life. You have to learn to deal with the laws on the books. I hope to change Roe V Wade. Not likely to happen, but we are making a dent in it atleast. You can work to keep abortion legal if you wish. This what free speech is about.

KMav on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

but his is not a law about taxes or enviromental regulation, it a law that involve forcing people do very personal things like carry out a pregnancy or in a extreme case, see your teenage daughter endure a rape pregnancy.
all in the name of protecting something that many don’t see as life despite your best arguments.

what I am saying is, why can you settle in imposing these principles to yourself instead of trying to impose them on others that very strongly disagree with them?

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM

tom on August 21, 2012

…(so why did you take the bait?)

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Probably because people are imagining their daughter being forced (not choosing) to carry their rapist’s b@st@rd child to term, because a bunch of my-way-or-the-highway fundamentalists won’t allow it. I don’t even HAVE kids yet and the thought makes my blood boil.

MelonCollie on August 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

So you’re overly emotional and easily manipulated. Gotcha.

This is never going to be an issue, but you allow it to destroy all reason in your mind. Interesting that you claimed I had the intellect of a lizard when you seem to be as intelligent as a raging bull when it comes to this subject.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

if politics was a serious business, akin would be a good choice b/c he gettings people thinking.

He reminds me of my best professor at Clemson University. He makes people think and debate things. :)

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

akins probably was going to lose anyway as apparrently he said this kind of stuff all the time.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Link?

Solaratov on August 21, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Akin is so phenomenally bad, I have to question whether the Democrats paid him money under the table to completely implode.

TonyR on August 21, 2012 at 9:12 PM

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

That wasn’t the question. How do you convince non-religious types who are anti-abortion that God will be a final judge if they don’t believe in God? Not all anti abortion people are “raving fundies!!!11!” (ht: nathor)

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 9:12 PM

What I like about Akin is he isn’t politically correct. he just tells it like it is. :)

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I don’t know anyone with any sense of logic and common decency that can defend ‘The Female Body Has Ways to Shut Down Pregnancy in Case of Legitimate Rape’

With many of us, it’s not about ‘losing the seat.’

The problem with comments like this and politicians like Akin is that this feeds the left’s narrative that Republicans and Conservatives are ignorant hicks who are opposed to all Science and have no respect for women, especially women who have been victimized by rape.

It’s a perception that we need to change and we’ve been doing a decent job of that in recent years, but self-serving cretins like Akin always set us back with comments like this every time they open their mouths. What may be worse is that Akin shows his true colors as an entrenched politician who won’t step-down after doing something inexcusable because he enjoys the perks of the office. He comes across as a corrupt and entitled politician and unfortunately for us, as a member of our Political Party his mere existence can be politically gamed with every ‘guilt by association’ non-sequitur Democrats can dish out. The best we can do to retain our credibility is to reject him outright.

It’s not just political, it’s the right thing to do.

Corporal Tunnel on August 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Who cares? We are the party of Lincoln. We are the party of Reagan. They are the party of failed socialism. We allow them to frame the argument then we’re always on the defensive. We are smarter than they are, period. They keep forcing policies that don’t work and are destructive on society. Don’t play their game.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 9:13 PM

akin says what we are all thinking but are too afraid to say b/c we can’t handle the heat.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Is it possible Akin is just ahead of his time?

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:15 PM

but his is not a law about taxes or enviromental regulation, it a law that involve forcing people do very personal things like carry out a pregnancy or in a extreme case, see your teenage daughter endure a rape pregnancy.
all in the name of protecting something that many don’t see as life despite your best arguments.

what I am saying is, why can you settle in imposing these principles to yourself instead of trying to impose them on others that very strongly disagree with them?

nathor on August 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM

You mean like your savior did with Obamacare… troll.

njrob on August 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Oh brilliant! The good old distract when you’re at a loss argument.

lester on August 21, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Uh, uh, Chuck Graham, state senator, is here. Stand up, Chuck, let ‘em see you. Oh, God love you. What am I talking about? I tell you what, you’re making everybody else stand up, though, pal. I tell you what, stand up for Chuck.

Punchenko on August 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

@solaratov,

That is what one of the unnamed politicos said, Akins is known for saying stuff like this but it never mattered in his little district. He didn’t provide any examples.

Right now you can say anything negative about akin and most people will believe it.

Dr. Tesla on August 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM

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