Bounce: New polls show Romney leading in Michigan, Wisconsin after Ryan pick

posted at 8:01 pm on August 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

We need some good news. Second look at stealing the midwest right out from under Obama’s nose?

PPP’s first Wisconsin poll since Mitt Romney announced Paul Ryan as his running mate finds him taking a small lead over Barack Obama in the state, 48-47. That represents a 7 point shift from PPP’s last look at the state in early July, which found Obama ahead 50-44.

The biggest change Ryan’s selection seems to have brought about is the unification of the GOP. Romney’s gone from a 78 point lead with Republicans on our last poll (87-9) to now an 88 point lead with them (93-5). There’s also been a tightening with independents. Obama still has a 4 point lead with them at 47-43, but that’s down from a 14 point advantage at 53-39 six weeks ago. Democrats are unchanged from the previous poll…

Choosing Ryan as his running mate isn’t giving Romney any trouble with seniors in Wisconsin. That’s actually where his greatest strength is, leading Obama 52-43 with them. Which isn’t to say the Ryan Plan is popular in Wisconsin- only 40% of voters support it to 46% who are opposed. But the concern with it is coming much more from young voters than seniors.

Two concerns with this poll. One: They’ve got the sample R+2, which isn’t totally nutty but still seems hard to believe for a presidential election in a reliably bluish state. Granted, the exit poll for Scott Walker’s recall win showed a net turnout of R+1, and granted, we’ve got a native son on the ticket this year. But the Dems’ turnout advantage four years ago was D+6. Are we really going to swing that a full eight points this time? I can see Romney winning the state, but not necessarily with a two-point spread for Republicans at the polls. Two: Behold the saddest of all demographic splits, my friends.

Senior citizens and near-seniors, who’ve already paid in and depend on their benefits being there right now, are actually pretty chill about The End Of Medicare As We Know It. Young adults, though, who’ll be sucked into a fiscal black hole if this program isn’t reformed in the near term? Total basket case. If ever you doubted the astounding influence of liberal orthodoxy on college students and recent grads, look at those numbers and let your doubts melt away.

Meanwhile, across the border in Michigan:

In the Foster McCollum White Baydoun poll for Fox 2 News Detroit of Michigan most likely voters in June, President Obama had a slight lead of 1.14 points (46.89% to 45.48%), within the margin of error. In the past seven weeks, not only has Mitt Romney stayed close, but now he has vaulted to the lead in Michigan. Our poll finding suggests that the naming of Paul Ryan as his running mate has given him the spark he needed. Romney now leads in Michigan by 3.8 points, a net gain of 5.21 points from June (Romney 47.68% to Obama 43.88%)…

In spite of national criticism of the Ryan selection and budget plan, our findings suggest that Michigan voters are viewing both as positives for Romney. 36.11% of Michigan voters are more likely to vote for Romney because of the Paul Ryan selection while only 27.90% are less likely to vote for Romney.

The good news? The sample here was big and well targeted: 1,733 respondents, all of whom identified as likely voters. Unfortunately, there’s no partisan split provided so it’s hard to tell who’s been oversampled. But this seems promising, even if the results in the “strongly support/oppose” columns aren’t:

The one hitch here is that, over the past two months, there’s been just one other poll showing Romney in the lead in Michigan, and that poll — Mitchell Reports, conducted on July 23 — showed him up by a single point. The most recent poll from Mitchell was conducted on August 13, two days after Ryan’s introduction as VP. That one showed Romney … suddenly trailing in Michigan by five points. Assuming that one’s accurate and the one quoted above is the outlier, I wonder what caused Mitt to dip. It’s probably not Ryan; Mediscare or no, a VP pick’s not going to weigh on the ticket that heavily that soon. It must be the Bain/tax attacks. Flag these two results now, as the next Michigan poll will settle the issue of who’s right.


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Yep, and they will take OH and IN too.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

And FL, because of The Villages.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

And eight more states that were added after the first 50.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:04 PM

This Akin thing, is a huge diversion, and both sides of the political spectrum are playing right into it, including Hot Gas.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I have predicted before and I’ll do it again:

obama will not get 40,000,000 votes.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Shame on all of you so called right wing sources for playing right into the Akin scam. It is a non issue.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I think it would be funny to have the dems doing a victory dance over MO and have us take MI and WI.

gophergirl on August 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Does anyone know if the campaign is actively going after both WI and MI?

changer1701 on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Romney/Ryan campaign is just starting and Barry had been campaigning nonstop, so I’ll take those numbers, even if they had overstated the edge a little bit.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

How many people are left in Detroilet, a few hundred? But you can bet TFGRP will be there eventually, touting his “saving” of GM and the coming return of the Motor City’s heyday.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Shame on all of you so called right wing sources for playing right into the Akin scam. It is a non issue.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Who’s Akin?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Rule of thumb: never trust a public poll that reports results with decimal places.

joana on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Its good news, not perfect, but good.

rob verdi on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Who’s Akin?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

I don’t know about akin, but Fluke is hurtin’ for a squritin’.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Full Spead Ahead,and D*mn the Political Torpedos!
(sarc)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Does anyone know if the campaign is actively going after both WI and MI?

changer1701 on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Since Ryan is from WI and Romney was born in MI – I would think they would want both those states.

gophergirl on August 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

This Akin thing, is a huge diversion, and both sides of the political spectrum are playing right into it, including Hot Gas.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Akin will be irrelevant come Election Day. However, states like WI and MI might very well go Republican. That is the important thing.

Even with MacCaskill probably winning, the Republicans will still win 51 votes, will win the Presidency, and will get rid of Obamacare.

milcus on August 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

What is TFGRP?

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Ugh,thats Speed,not(Spead)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Ugh,thats Speed,not(Spead)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Yes, we ain’t stupid here. We got it, canop4.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Who’s Akin?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Wasn’t he Sheriff Lobo ;)

gophergirl on August 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Yee Haw!

Pork-Chop on August 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I don’t know about akin, but Fluke is hurtin’ for a squritin’.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Lanceman:

I you sure she can afford it,she might need a Tax Payer
stimulus!!
(sarc).

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:11 PM

This Akin thing, is a huge diversion, and both sides of the political spectrum are playing right into it, including Hot Gas.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Every week is a diversion from Obama’s corruption and failed economy. It’s not by accident.

The media gets their marching orders for weekly distractions and happily comply.

BruthaMan on August 21, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I fear the MI poll is an outlier. Supposedly it lacks cell phone users(= young) and the “most likely voters” are also older. The Florida results from this outfit were even more incredible. Nevertheless, within 5 in Michigan by Mitchell with the convention and debates to go would be OK with me. I think Romney has more upside potential than BHO. Wisconsin being that much in play for Romney is huge. He can lose either Virginia or Ohio and still win if he gets Wisconsin. Those Badgers have been very encouraging lately.

KW64 on August 21, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I don’t know about akin, but Fluke is hurtin’ for a squritin’.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

LOL…
I think….

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Who’s Akin?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

…it’s missing a
t‘ between the A and the k…but I think it’s a Doctor guy that had a diet plan or something.

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

How many people are left in Detroilet, a few hundred? But you can bet TFGRP will be there eventually, touting his “saving” of GM and the coming return of the Motor City’s heyday.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Do you mean, how many rational voters are left in Detroilet? Not many, if any, is my guess.

On the other hand, those barryBots are still around. They’ve been waiting for nearly 4 years for some of ‘dat Obama stash, aka taxpayer money. If he shows up, he’d better have some bills to toss around, a few cigs or some blow. They’ve been waiting a loooooooooooong time.

Cody1991 on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Probably 1/4 of the entire country doesn’t even know that Romney is even running.

1/5 of the country doesn’t care if Satan were in office (oh wait).

1/2 of the country doesn’t even know who Paul Ryan is, much less know what his “plan” is.

More than 1/2 of the country hasn’t even tuned in yet.

and lastly 1/10th of the country probably can’t name the President of the United States.

we’re still on track…..

TEANAMI 2 baby!
Washing Obama and his ilk FORWARD, out to sea on November 6th

PappyD61 on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Michigan back to “toss up” on Real Clear Politics.

SouthernGent on August 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Who’s Akin?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

He is not the Obama – guy who trolls rest stops to Sandusky young boys he picks up online .

burrata on August 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

‘t‘ between the A and the k…but I think it’s a Doctor guy that had a diet plan or something.

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I tried that..
It worked..
Then I quit…
Oh well.

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Michigan back to “toss up” on Real Clear Politics.

SouthernGent on August 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM

And I’M back to throw up concerning the fine ‘rat bitches such as Halfbright and Hillary Rotten Clinton.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Told you Ryan would deliver Wesconsin and Betty will deliver Florida.

Sparty on August 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Not worried! If in the worst case scenario Missouri turns LEFTIST in Presidential and Senate races thanks now to Todd “Legit Rape” Akin,
Michigan can offset that and 50 votes instead of 51 is still enough…Paul Ryan is #51 in a tie.

Varchild on August 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

burrata on August 21, 2012 at 8:18 PM

I need to stop at Taco Bell and pick up a coupla burratas…

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

PPP also has a new poll out for VA showing Obama up 5, but the sample was 37% Dem, 30% Rep, and 33% Indy.

changer1701 on August 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Shame on all of you so called right wing sources for playing right into the Akin scam. It is a non issue.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Akin’s stupidity would not have shown up in this poll…however, to be honest, I do not think that Akin has to be a problem on the national level. The Democrats are already trying to tie Akin to Ryan, but it might not work.

However, Missouri has been moved to likely Democrat because of Akin and we need that Senate seat and those electoral votes.

In any event, he certainly is not helping.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Full Spead Ahead,and D*mn the Political Torpedos!
(sarc)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

yepper. Keep your hand on your throttle, ahem, the throttle to the submarine. *clink*

SparkPlug on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Ugh,I’m on a roll,thats Are you sure,not (I you sure)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Senior citizens and near-seniors, who’ve already paid in and depend on their benefits being there right now, are actually pretty chill about The End Of Medicare As We Know It. Young adults, though, who’ll be sucked into a fiscal black hole if this program isn’t reformed in the near term? Total basket case. If ever you doubted the astounding influence of liberal orthodoxy on college students and recent grads, look at those numbers and let your doubts melt away.

Yes and well said. The media isn’t Leftwing for no casual reason and people who are not Leftwing are ruined by Leftmedia for no casual reason.

The country’s biggest socio-political liability is a Leftmedia that exploits the inherent gullibility in youth.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Sparty on August 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Hi Sparty.

SparkPlug on August 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Every week is a diversion from Obama’s corruption and failed economy. It’s not by accident.

The media gets their marching orders for weekly distractions and happily comply.

BruthaMan on August 21, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Akin was more than willing to do his part to add to the mayhem.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

We need some good news.

Why? The RINOs have already given up, and are predicting doom, because the Dems are saying mean things about us.

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

What is TFGRP?

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

The First Gun Running President

Bitter Clinger on August 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Yes and well said. The media isn’t Leftwing for no casual reason and people who are not Leftwing are ruined by Leftmedia for no casual reason.

The country’s biggest socio-political liability is a Leftmedia that exploits the inherent gullibility in youth.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

This is so true.. I hope they like this policy, because chances are they will spend most of their lives paying for..the little idiots.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Amazon’s Election Heat Map is a new fun indicator that has more good news for the Romney Ryan Team.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap

Liberal books are only being read in a few states in the North East.

The rest of the country is reading right-leaning political books.

It is also interesting to look at the list of Political books that Amazon classifies as red vs. blue.

Take a look at Amazon’s map at the link above. It is amazing to see how red the map is!

wren on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

However, Missouri has been moved to likely Democrat because of Akin and we need that Senate seat and those electoral votes.

In any event, he certainly is not helping.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Claire McCaskill’s horrid, smearing statement about Republicans (“Republican bigwigs” I think she called us/them/herboogeyman) in pretense of defending Akin was a moment capturing the worst character aspects about her.

My impression is Akin has been a useful tool for the Left, certainly for the likes of McCaskill and the DNC in Missouri. I wish more on the Right would wake-up to this tactic by the Left of “encouraging support for” “Republican” candidates in primaries such that they set up a domination by the Democrats, or, at least, of Leftwing socio-political views regardless of who wins.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

I need to stop at Taco Bell and pick up a coupla burratas…

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Taco Bell doesn’t have it, try Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods .

burrata on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/akin-tells-hannity-that-romney-exploited-rape-statement-controversy-for-political-gain/

Akin is likely a Mormon hating religious bigot as well.

And I am extremely glad the moron knocks Romney: it puts distance between that cretin and Romney.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

The First Gun Running President

Bitter Clinger on August 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Oh. Thanks Klinger.

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

We need some good news.

Why? The RINOs have already given up, and are predicting doom, because the Dems are saying mean things about us.

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Oh stop it. Hannity, Limbaugh, Malkin, Coulter, Mark Levin, along with the majority of the commenters on this blog are not all Rinos. They just think Akin is a selfish delusional screw up.

Tell me, what does calling rape victims liars have to do with conservatism? There is a reason the Democrats wanted him to win..we see it now..well some of us do anyway.

And do not tell me he apologized and so that makes it all okay. It does not. It was not just in bad tasted…it was absurd.

You know what they say…you can not fix stupid.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

And I am extremely glad the moron knocks Romney: it puts distance between that cretin and Romney.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Exactly

gophergirl on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

wren on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

In fairness though you don’t actually read leftwing books, rather you connect the dots to make shapes and then follow the color code with your crayons.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

My impression is Akin has been a useful tool for the Left, certainly for the likes of McCaskill and the DNC in Missouri. I wish more on the Right would wake-up to this tactic by the Left of “encouraging support for” “Republican” candidates in primaries such that they set up a domination by the Democrats, or, at least, of Leftwing socio-political views regardless of who wins.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Oh yeah. There is a reason the Democrats ran all those ads during the Republican primary calling Akin too conservative. I am just surprised that more people could not see they were being played. Claire is not a popular lady in Missouri, the only way she can win is if she runs against someone who is even less popular than she is. Obviously.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Hi sparkplug

Romney/Ryan 2012

Sparty on August 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:08 PM

yepper. Keep your hand on your throttle, ahem, the throttle to the submarine. *clink*

SparkPlug on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

SparkPlug:

ClinkaRoo Back at ya,Pssst,*looks around*,where fight’n now!:)
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GOP will respond tenfold
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“I’m a big believer in:

if they punch us, we put on the brass knuckles and punch back,”
***************************************************************
he added.

Reince Priebus ‏@Reince

CRUMB AND GET IT @JoeBiden http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/rnc-chair-bring-on-biden

https://twitter.com/Reince

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Yes and well said. The media isn’t Leftwing for no casual reason and people who are not Leftwing are ruined by Leftmedia for no casual reason.

The country’s biggest socio-political liability is a Leftmedia that exploits the inherent gullibility in youth.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

This is so true.. I hope they like this policy, because chances are they will spend most of their lives paying for..the little idiots.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I wouldn’t call youth “little idiots” but I agree with you otherwise. Unfortunately, the Left drives home this false and wretched negative stereotype about Conservatives/Republicans over and over again: “they don’t want you to have any fun, they will withhold all fun things from you, they’ll punish you for having fun, they’ll steal your lunch money and bump you out of line…”

The Left EXPLOITS the inherent gullibility of youth (we’ve all been there, it’s an aspect of growing up — and the human brain actually is still “growing” until about the early twenties, so the fitfulness and intemperance of many a youth, particularly in the teens, is influenced by neurological conditions of the age and growth process).

The Left exploits that “fitfulness” and tendency to rage when resources are limited or perceived to be being withheld. They exploit that growth process in youth to seal their fears and doubts and angry moodiness with a seal of “rightness when it’s against Conservatives”…

…thus all the false, negative stereotypes of the “bad guy” being Conservative, Republican, etc.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:36 PM

But I thought Akin just guaranteed that Romney will lose! He made Missouri a toss-up! He’ll destroy the GOP up and down ticket! Ten deadly plagues will be unleashed! IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!

Gotta love the Mittwits. Mitt’s screwed because of the damn SoCons… until we can find polls showing him leading just a little bit later. Then he’ll win in a romp!

Stoic Patriot on August 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:36 PM

It’s also “classic Communist” tactics to seize control of youth’s attention and redirect it away from parental control and influence and onto The Party or State (Communism). Look at China. Look at the Lenin takeover of Russia, etc.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I’ve been preaching for more than a year that MI could go GOP.
Don’t usually trust polls, but if we can minimize democrat voter fraud, RnR have got a shot in MI.

RedCrow on August 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM

It’s also “classic Communist” tactics to seize control of youth’s attention and redirect it away from parental control and influence and onto The Party or State (Communism). Look at China. Look at the Lenin takeover of Russia, etc.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

We also saw this in the leftist influence in the anti war movement clear back to Viet Nam. The Soviets were bad at a lot of things, but they were good at propaganda. And they knew how to con the young.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Claire is not a popular lady in Missouri, the only way she can win is if she runs against someone who is even less popular than she is. Obviously.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Claire is not a popular lady in Missouri,

…that’s good to know ^^. I’m not from Missouri but I’ve always found McCaskill to be creepy. She makes outrageous statements of distortion and outright falsehoods while maintaining that sick smile of hers and steady gaze into the camera: it’s very creepy.

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

No worries, Missouri. Michigan will prevail. We will put Romney in the red for electoral votes and we will work very hard to bounce democrat Debbie “Spenditnow” Stabenow out of the Senate. SO if that idiot in MO gets re-elected, we can mitigate it by an unexpected GOP win in MI.

Detroit no longer has the clout in this state. As that part of the state died with the auto industry jobs that vanished, the more conservative part of Michigan (everywhere else but the Detroit area)has gained in influence and clout.

karenhasfreedom on August 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I guess this is some cold comfort on the day you officially lost any hope of taking the white house or the senate.

Surprisingly, no on here want to whine about the “crosstabs”. this is a 32d/34r poll, with Barry leading the indies. Completely unrealistic, an outlier.

But I guess you will need at least something to ease the pain of the amazing synergy of Akin, King, the Akin Plank and a dismissed order from your Cmdr in Chief pvt. rMoney 1st class.

Bam is up at least 4 national and your convention is going to be a Leave it to Beaver puke fest with a main course of over-stuffed Jersey turkey. Bon apetit!

tommyhawk on August 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Were these polls taken before of after Obama’s gift from Allah, the Mohammedan Todd Akin as a block of cement he can wrap around Romney’s and Ryan’s necks?

VorDaj on August 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

In fairness though you don’t actually read leftwing books, rather you connect the dots to make shapes and then follow the color code with your crayons.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Alas, you are right about those leftwing books, Bishop! :-)

I am having great fun clicking on each state on the Amazon map to see which political books are most popular in each state.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap

I am very happy to see how many states have The Amateur by Edward Klein on the top of their lists!

Now we just need to hope that all those liberals who don’t like to read, go to see the movie 2016: Obama’s America.

wren on August 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

But I thought Akin just guaranteed that Romney will lose! He made Missouri a toss-up! He’ll destroy the GOP up and down ticket! Ten deadly plagues will be unleashed! IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!

Gotta love the Mittwits. Mitt’s screwed because of the damn SoCons… until we can find polls showing him leading just a little bit later. Then he’ll win in a romp!

Stoic Patriot on August 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Well for one thing, it will take some time to really know the impact of Akin’s ridiculous comments. For another thing, most people were not worried about Akin’s effects in Michigan and Wisconsin, they were worried about Missouri and its Senate seat and electoral votes.

For another thing, it was not the socalled Mittwitts that had a problem with Akin, so much as it was virtually the entire Republican party and most of the right wing punditry, including a lot of people who never even liked Mitt Romney.

For another thing, many of the people who had a problem with Akin were social conservatives themselves and they resented the fact that Akin muddled their message so completely that he made them all look bad.

So maybe you should get your facts straight before you start yakking about mittwits.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM

We also saw this in the leftist influence in the anti war movement clear back to Viet Nam. The Soviets were bad at a lot of things, but they were good at propaganda. And they knew how to con the young.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Yes, I remember that. I used to really complain against parental denouncements and cautions about “communist” influence on the college campuses at that time and then only later — much, much later — found out that those “SDS” folksy-singing-happy people on campus actually WERE communists and still are.

THEN the Left transitted that outing of the Communist operations into one of “well, what’s WRONG with Communism?” defense/offense. That’s still going on — complaining about their socio-political operations and grotesque ideology tends to draw critical attention if not condemnation on those who complain, unfortunately, today.

Which shows the effects of Leftmedia doing their bidding.

Remember Walter Cronkite? Everyone sat around in the evenings and listened to his broadcasts on CBS as if he was Grandpappy In Chief. He was later revealed to be both Communist and recorded as lauding Satan, of all things (actually caught on tape saying he was ‘proud to sit at the righthand of satan’).

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Now we just need to hope that all those liberals who don’t like to read, go to see the movie 2016: Obama’s America.

wren on August 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

The write ups are pretty favorable, even here in Blue Minnesota there are leftonians who have said the movie is fair in how it lays out what we DON’T know about Bark.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Stoic Patriot on August 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Do you want Romney to win?

thebrokenrattle on August 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Bam is up at least 4 national and your convention is going to be a Leave it to Beaver puke fest with a main course of over-stuffed Jersey turkey. Bon apetit!

tommyhawk on August 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Gallup and Rasmussen have Romney ahead.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I am having great fun clicking on each state on the Amazon map to see which political books are most popular in each state.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap

wren on August 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Florida… Crazy Sh*t Old People Say … oh wait

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

TEANAMI 2 baby!
Washing Obama and his ilk FORWARD, out to sea on November 6th

PappyD61 on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

PappyD61:Tue Dat…..the…”Great Marianas Turkey Shoot” !:)

canopfor on August 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

And I am extremely glad the moron knocks Romney: it puts distance between that cretin and Romney.

bayview on August 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Exactly

gophergirl on August 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Right…nice silver-lining there! Glass is half-full from Romney and pro-Romney perspective!

Lourdes on August 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

No worries, Missouri. Michigan will prevail. We will put Romney in the red for electoral votes and we will work very hard to bounce democrat Debbie “Spenditnow” Stabenow out of the Senate. SO if that idiot in MO gets re-elected, we can mitigate it by an unexpected GOP win in MI.

Detroit no longer has the clout in this state. As that part of the state died with the auto industry jobs that vanished, the more conservative part of Michigan (everywhere else but the Detroit area)has gained in influence and clout.

karenhasfreedom on August 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

That would be nice.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Washing Obama and his ilk FORWARD, out to sea on November 6th

PappyD61 on August 21, 2012 at 8:16 PM

20% Immigrants who are taught we are a Democracy and thus you should vote for the Democrats because Republicans are not for Democracy. I kid you not an Indian I know was taught that. He could not understand why I was a Republican in America.

Good analysis here. Doubt these polls mean much.

Rasmmsen has Obama sinking slowly overall. This pick has forced the truth to come out about Obama looting Medicare and that 25% of Seniors will lose Medicare Advantage while the rest will pay more for it. That Medicare will soon go broke.

Thus I would predict a lot of movement in polls between now and election day. If Romney would stick and build on the Medicare Plan and explain what he would replace Obama Care with he could win. I just doubt Romney will do that as I believe his plan would not get support.

I detest Obama with a passion. He is a “Forward” Communist right in our faces. This is the same slogan Hitler, Stalin and Mao used along with Chaves and many other Communist it is just like announcing Communism is what I want. But Romney has Communist roots as well. At least Obama is more honest about that.

Just the worst candidate in each party. The most far left in each party. That is our miserable choice. It stinks to high heaven.

Steveangell on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Lo. Romney campaign is reaching when they tout these polls nobody heard off whereas all the national polls shows Ryan pick is a dud.

promachus on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Lo. Romney campaign is reaching when they tout these polls nobody heard off whereas all the national polls shows Ryan pick is a dud.

promachus on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Gallup shows Romney ahead, so does Rasmussen.

Polls also show Obama does crappy on the economy among other things a majority do not approve of his policies.

Obama..the dud.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Detroit no longer has the clout in this state. As that part of the state died with the auto industry jobs that vanished, the more conservative part of Michigan (everywhere else but the Detroit area)has gained in influence and clout.

karenhasfreedom on August 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Well, don’t forget Ann Arbor, Grand Rapids, and much of Lansing.
(I’m with ya, though.)

RedCrow on August 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

And FL, because of The Villages.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Never saw a crowd size estimate/report/aerial picture for that speech. Anyone?

Del Dolemonte on August 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

New aesthetic
Ohio is in the bag………

angrymike on August 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Who’s Akin?

Electrongod on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

…it’s missing a
‘t‘ between the A and the k…but I think it’s a Doctor guy that had a diet plan or something.

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Just be sure to leave Chet Atkins out of this discussion!

Del Dolemonte on August 21, 2012 at 9:05 PM

What is TFGRP?

Lanceman on August 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

The First Gay and Randy President.

TXUS on August 21, 2012 at 9:07 PM

20% Immigrants who are taught we are a Democracy and thus you should vote for the Democrats because Republicans are not for Democracy. I kid you not an Indian I know was taught that. He could not understand why I was a Republican in America.

Steveangell on August 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM

A friend from Russia told me exactly the same thing. And while volunteering at ceremonies for immigrants who were becoming American citizens, I heard similar comments over and over again.

I wish Republicans would do a better job of explaining what a Republic is and what Republicans believe.

This is expecially important in communities with large populations of people for whom English is a second language!

wren on August 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Florida… Crazy Sh*t Old People Say … oh wait

faraway on August 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Those retirees at The Villages must be buying a lot of books from Amazon!

wren on August 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Gallup shows Romney ahead, so does Rasmussen.

Polls also show Obama does crappy on the economy among other things a majority do not approve of his policies.

Obama..the dud.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Rasmussen: Today by a point but Obama was ahead for over a week sometimes by his biggest margin in some time. But this is just noise. Overall Obama is trending down as is Romney actually but it bodes well for Romney as Obama is well known and trending down. Romney is unknown to a lot of Americans who have not tuned in yet.

At least use polls correctly to support your contentions.

Steveangell on August 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM

The write ups are pretty favorable, even here in Blue Minnesota there are leftonians who have said the movie is fair in how it lays out what we DON’T know about Bark.

Bishop on August 21, 2012 at 8:49 PM

If the movie 2016: Obama’s America can just get some of those leftonians to start asking some basic questions about Obama’s background, it will have done a great service for our country!

wren on August 21, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I interviewed Eric Foster about the Michigan poll this afternoon, which I wrote about here.

What I learned is that President Obama is in worse shape in Michigan than the horserace numbers indicate.

LFRGary on August 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

This is expecially important in communities with large populations of people for whom English is a second language!

wren on August 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Here is the biggest lie.

Democracy is Communism world wide. Peoples Democratic Republic of…

Every Communist country holds elections. They all have constitutions guaranteeing them all kinds of rights they never know.

This same immigrant was worried America would become a Communist Republic.

Steveangell on August 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

If the movie 2016: Obama’s America can just get some of those leftonians to start asking some basic questions about Obama’s background, it will have done a great service for our country!

wren on August 21, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Romney as well. http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/photo-exclusive-when-george-romney-met-saul-alins He actually knew and praised Saul Alinsky and North Vietnam.

Steveangell on August 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Does anyone know if the campaign is actively going after both WI and MI?
changer1701 on August 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM

I remember reading that they have been quietly converting the Walker sites from the recall election to Romney centers.

Lord of the Wings on August 21, 2012 at 9:22 PM

This Akin thing, is a huge diversion, and both sides of the political spectrum are playing right into it, including Hot Gas.

the new aesthetic on August 21, 2012 at 8:04 PM

All this Akin crap is going to be forgotten by a majority of voters in few days no matter how much liberals and their media try to keep it alive. Abortion is not going to be an important issue with the vast majority of voters, not even close. This elections is about the economy, jobs, debt, deficit, and Obamacare… and of course about Obama utterly failed record… no amount of distractions and made up issues is going to change this fact… When the voters go to vote on November 6 2012 the majority of them are going to ask the simplest but most important question: “Do we want four more years of this crap?” and their answer would be “No, hell No”…

Also I strongly believe that Republicans would mount a “write-in” campaign in Missouri Senate race and our “write-in” candidate is going to win the Senate seat in Missouri despite Akin staying in the race…

mnjg on August 21, 2012 at 9:22 PM

All this Akin crap is going to be forgotten by a majority of voters in few days no matter how much liberals and their media try to keep it alive. Abortion is not going to be an important issue with the vast majority of voters, not even close.

mnjg on August 21, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I’ve yet to write a single comment on this “Akin crap” because I tend to agree with your label. And, while I’d agree that abortion as an issue certainly takes a back seat to the economy, I think it’s obvious that the guy will be brutalized amongst women voters.

What a moronic thing to say.

RedCrow on August 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM

These new poll numbers are CHANGE that I can believe in!!!

Khun Joe on August 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM

However, Missouri has been moved to likely Democrat because of Akin and we need that Senate seat and those electoral votes.

In any event, he certainly is not helping.

Terrye on August 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM

They moved “likely democrat” for Senate not for Presidential elections. Anyway I am confident that a “write-in” campaign by Republican would give us this Senate seat despite Akin the fool being there who would not even get 5% of the vote… I am not worry at all that Missouri is going to go Obama because he could not even win Missouri in 2008 at the height of his power….

mnjg on August 21, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Meanwhile, across the border in Michigan:

Allah, that should be “state line” not border. Michigan is a state, just like Wisconsin, not another country—-except maybe for da UP.

DrStock on August 21, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Detroit no longer has the clout in this state. As that part of the state died with the auto industry jobs that vanished, the more conservative part of Michigan (everywhere else but the Detroit area)has gained in influence and clout.

karenhasfreedom on August 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Yep, I live in a white very blue collar town in SE MI and I cannot find one Obamugabe voter. I always engage people at the gas station and throw out the “under my administration energy prices will necessarily skyrocket” quote. I haven’t found an Obot yet.

8 weight on August 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

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