Video: “Legitimate” rape? Update: Steelman blasts Akin

posted at 8:41 am on August 20, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Until yesterday, Todd Akin had a comfortable polling lead in Missouri over incumbent Senator Claire McCaskill in what had been the most vulnerable seat for Democrats this cycle.  Suddenly, one has to ask whether Akin has a, er, legitimate chance of beating McCaskill, or even a legitimate chance of avoiding a Torricelli maneuver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdisTOKom5I&feature=player_embedded

In the clip, Charles Jaco, of St. Louis Fox affiliate KTVI’s “Jaco Report,” asks Akin whether he thinks abortions ought to permissible in a situation where a woman is raped. While explaining his position, Akin claimed that pregnancy only rarely results from “legitimate rape.”

“Well you know, people always want to make it as one of those things where how do you slice this particularly tough, sort of ethical question,” he replied. “It seems to me first of all, from what I understand from doctors — that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But, let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work, or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”

Good grief.  First, pregnancy from rape isn’t all that uncommon, as Twitchy discovered with just a little research; it’s around 5%.  At least one researcher has found that conception rates for rape actually exceeds that of single instances of consensual sex. Second, what in Akin’s mind constitutes legitimate rape?  Was he trying to distinguish between forcible rape and statutory rape?  If so, that’s a pretty fine distinction, and one that’s really nonsensical even in the argument Akin was trying to make.  And if he wanted to suggest that some women would lie about being raped in order to secure an abortion, then he’s really setting up an argument that any woman who is pregnant couldn’t really have been raped … which as noted above is simply not the case.

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan distanced themselves from Akin’s argument at light speed:

A spokeswoman for Mitt Romney wrote late Sunday that the presumptive GOP presidential nominee and his running mate, U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, did not share Rep. Todd Akin’s sentiments on rape.

“Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,” Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg wrote.

Even Akin himself repudiated his earlier remarks:

“As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault.  In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year.  Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve.

“I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue.  But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action. I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election.

“But I also believe that this election is about a wide-range of very important issues, starting with the economy and the type of country we will be leaving our children and grandchildren.  We’ve had 42 straight months of unacceptably high unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, and Democratic leaders in Washington who are focused on growing government, instead of jobs.  That is my primary focus in this campaign and while there are those who want to distract from that, knowing they cannot defend the Democrats’ failed economic record of the last four years, that will continue to be my focus in the months ahead.”

“Those who want to distract from that” got a big boost from Akin himself.

Can Republicans replace Akin, if they so choose?  Apparently they can — but the deadline is tomorrow.  Of course, deadlines didn’t matter when Robert Torricelli became a political pariah in New Jersey, but there are a couple of differences.  First, it involved actual corruption, not a case of foot-in-mouth disease, and second, Torricelli was a Democrat.  If Republicans want Akin off the ticket, they’d have to act quickly, which means it won’t happen at all.

That means that Missouri will probably see a lot of debate over “legitimate,” and Republicans had better hope that Akin can legitimately change the subject soon.

Update: Chuck Todd hints that there may be more time than we think if Akin withdraws:

Well, the whole thing’s getting pretty complicated now, isn’t it?

Update II: Sarah Steelman, one of two challengers against Akin in the primary and Sarah Palin’s endorsed choice, blasted Akin this morning on Twitter:

On the other hand, poll analyst Sean Trende reminds us that politicians who say stupid things often don’t pay as much of a price as we’d think:

I’m not sure that this is a comforting thought.

Update III: Even less comforting — Clayton Williams actually lost that election in 1990 to Ann Richards.


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Can Republicans replace Akin, if they so choose? Apparently they can — but the deadline is tomorrow.

Chuck Todd tweeted: There is a SECOND deadline for Akin to withdraw, 9/25, but it’s complicated.

Jon0815 on August 20, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Sorry people… there is no way Republican women show up to vote for this clown. And the lib women will be quite motivated. So don’t kid yourself thinking he can STILL win. He’s cooked.

Sadly the MSM thought a skinny dipping R was the distraction of the day but then Akin shot his mouth off.

Bensonofben on August 20, 2012 at 8:45 AM

The best and brightest serving us everyday in D.C., yessir.

I don’t think these asshats are who the Founders had in mind when they imagined our representative government.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Fn idiot

SwabJockey on August 20, 2012 at 8:47 AM

The Huckabee preacher types strike again!

There is nothing more creepy than an old man professing his moral authority relative to a raped woman.

Palin wanted Steelman. Right again.

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 8:47 AM

The best and brightest serving us everyday in D.C., yessir.

I don’t think these aszhats are who the Founders had in mind when they imagined our representative government.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Get rid of this guy and do it quick!

GardenGnome on August 20, 2012 at 8:48 AM

The best thing is to get rid of him. The only question he will be asked about is abortion now and he will probably say something else idiotic.

mrscullen on August 20, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Defeat. Victory. Mouth of, seized from. Sigh.

If McCaskill didn’t believe in miracles before, she certainly must now.

bofh on August 20, 2012 at 8:48 AM

The GOP suicide gene reveals itself.

TedInATL on August 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Democrat says something stupid and lets it stand: No problem.
Republican says something stupid and walks it back: No dice.

swinia sutki on August 20, 2012 at 8:50 AM

First off, repeating what I said in the Headlines thread:

Three points:

1. His statement about the body having natural defense mechanisms against pregnancy from forcible rape is extremely ignorant and not defensible. However, that changes nothing about the legitimate debate over whether or not abortion should be permitted in cases of rape.

2. As pro-life activists have stated over and over and over again, the fact that forcible rape is such a heinous crime — which it most definitely is — does not change the fact that the baby in the mother’s womb is a human life and a completely innocent human life. The hideous acts of the rapist do not justify murdering an innocent human life.

3. This whole debate is a pointless distraction anyway. The left use the rape argument, which they know is extremely emotionally charged and on which people have very strong disagreements, to detract from other aspects of the abortion debate. The number of forcible rapes that result in pregnancies is extremely low, and the number of abortions that result from forcible rape is so low as to be statistically insignificant. And I can’t think of any pro-life activist, even ones who are opposed to abortion in cases of rape like myself, who wouldn’t gladly grant to the left, “fine, if you want to agree to restrict all abortions except in cases of rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother, we’ll write up that bill today.”

Second, Ed, although the statistics may in fact show that a relatively high percentage of people who are forcibly raped end up pregnant, it is still an insignificant number in the context of the abortion debate. Take how many people are forcibly raped each year, then how many of those actually become pregnant, then how many of those choose to seek an abortion. Then compare that number with the number of abortions every year that were simply to terminate an “unplanned” pregnancy. You’ll see that the issue of abortion in cases of rape is nothing but a red herring the left tries to use as a distraction — and we always oblige them.

Shump on August 20, 2012 at 8:50 AM

If so, that’s a pretty fine distinction, and one that’s really nonsensical even in the argument Akin was trying to make.

What? One is an assault, and one is consensual sex.

Axe on August 20, 2012 at 8:50 AM

So what happenes if he withdraws?

Another primary or the second place finisher gets the nod?

gumbyandpokey on August 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Well, I don’t live in Missouri, so not my choice. That said, if I did live there…I don’t think I could pull the lever for him. I know my wife couldn’t.

There are times to circle the wagons…and times to admit that we made a mistake. This is the latter.

neoavatara on August 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Chuck Todd tweeted: There is a SECOND deadline for Akin to withdraw, 9/25, but it’s complicated.

Jon0815 on August 20, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Remember that the Missouri Sec. of State is Robin Carnahan. Anybody feel even remotely secure in playing a complicated reverse backdoor over the head late September Torricelli maneuver with her having the final say on how the election is conducted? I’m not even necessarily comfortable that Brunner/whoever’s name would find its way onto the ballot if Akin withdraws and is replaced this morning.

Gingotts on August 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM

This guy is an idiot. Where the hell do people like him come from? Women don’t get pregnant unless they want to? Looks like ole Claire just got herself another term. Although if that is what they picked for a senator it is probably for the best.

paulrtaylor on August 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM

You guys just have to focus on social issues, which is not a LEGITIMATE function of government.

Dante on August 20, 2012 at 8:52 AM

This f***ing idiot needs to be removed immediately… If he does not step down on his own by today or tomorrow the Republican Party in Missouri should publically announces today or tomorrow that he does not represent the party and endorses one of the people who lost the primaries to him…

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Can the GOP replace him without his consent(no pun intended, I swear)? If so, they better announce within 5 minutes that he’s not gonna be on the ballot.

Doughboy on August 20, 2012 at 8:52 AM

The interesting thing is this was the Tea Party pick. I thought the TP was fiscally-centric.

How did we end up with Pat Robertson type weirdo?

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM

What’s the big deal.. ? there is alleged rape and legitimate rape. This is being blown all out of proportion for political reasons.

Axion on August 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Democrat says something stupid and lets it stand: No problem.
Republican says something stupid and walks it back: No dice.

swinia sutki on August 20, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Well it is was it is… This f*** needs to drop out today and if he does not the Republican Party in Missouri should disown him and endorses today or tomorrow one of the people who lost for him in the primaries…

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 8:55 AM

The interesting thing is this was the Tea Party pick. I thought the TP was fiscally-centric.

How did we end up with Pat Robertson type weirdo?

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM

You sure about that? I thought the Tea Party was mostly behind Steelman.

Doughboy on August 20, 2012 at 8:55 AM

You guys just have to focus on social issues, which is not a LEGITIMATE function of government.

Dante on August 20, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Of course not but the media has its memo now and will only be talking about abortion.

mrscullen on August 20, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Chuck Todd’s second deadline is actually part 2 of the statute Ed linked to above. If Akin agrees to pay the cost of reprinting the ballots, he can petition a circuit judge in the county he lives in to have his name removed from the ballot.

One slght problem – the Secretary of State, Robin Carnahan, can (and since she’s a ‘Rat, probably will) object.

Second slight problem; if Akin waits too long, at least some of the absentee ballots will have gone out with his name on them.

Steve Eggleston on August 20, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Second, what in Akin’s mind constitutes legitimate rape?

A man in a mask breaking into an apartment and raping woman.

Non-legitimate rape: “oh, come on, did you see how she was dressed? And that dinner wasn’t cheap!”

Tom_Shipley on August 20, 2012 at 8:57 AM

There were already 4 threads about the Akin debacle on HotAir since yesterday afternoon, and Ed is now exposing libfreeordie as the idiot he is.

Maybe the biggest evidence that Akin’s comments are toxic is the radio silence on Fox and that no story has shown up on Hot Air. They must really be wondering how to cover this….

libfreeordie on August 20, 2012 at 7:40 AM

bayview on August 20, 2012 at 8:57 AM

What’s he mean by legitimate rape, rape rape?

Akin must be a View fan. Whoopie Goldberg thinks there are different kinds of rape. Maybe he got it from her.

A “legitimate rape” might be where a woman is dragged into a van and raped. There are degrees of sexual assault, right.

A less legitimate rape, or charge of rape, would be the coed who decides a week later, after Chad turns out to be a dolt, that he actually raped her after the frat party, that it wasn’t all that consensual after all since she was drunk.

Whether a woman’s body is able to resist fertilization caused by rape is the only real issue here worth discussing.

…a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,” Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg wrote.

What about when there’s no police report or evidence of rape?

Akzed on August 20, 2012 at 8:57 AM

What’s the big deal.. ? there is alleged rape and legitimate rape. This is being blown all out of proportion for political reasons.

Axion on August 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM

His entire statement about a woman rarely getting pregnant if she was rape is stupid beyond belief. This man should step down or be removed immediately based on the STUPIDITY factor alone…

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM

He.Needs.To.GO.

djl130 on August 20, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Get rid of him today. Conservatives from coast-to-coast DESERVE better.

No one will be writing this clown checks now, and he cannot self-fund; McCaskill has millions to spend to destroy him.

About 99% of the American people support abortion in the case of rape. Akin’s position is hardly a winner. And it is stupid, too.

All Akin had to do was STFU and coast into this seat. He invited this self-inflicted disaster and he doesn’t have the chops to play on the national stage. Replace him with Steelman, a female is the perfect antidote to this mess.

Get rid of him. Now.

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Second, what in Akin’s mind constitutes legitimate rape?

I think what frosts women’s cookies about this, with the term “legitimate”, is it seems to put more pressure on their state of mind to determine if there really was a rape.

A big problem with what he said is there is more than one problem with what he said. It’s a tangled mess of nonsense mixed up with legitimate (if you’ll pardon the term) political issues. His apologies show what a mess it is. You really have to throw out what he originally said and start over. But that’s not what it means to be a Senator, a member of the world’s greatest deliberative body. What you say matters. Unless you’re Harry Reid or Joe Biden, of course.

Paul-Cincy on August 20, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Can Republicans replace Akin, if they so choose? Apparently they can — but the deadline is tomorrow.

Does it mean they can remove him without his approval? If so then he would be removed…

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 9:00 AM

All Akin had to do was STFU and coast into this seat. He invited this self-inflicted disaster and he doesn’t have the chops to play on the national stage. Replace him with Steelman, a female is the perfect antidote to this mess.

Get rid of him. Now.

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Yeah, if they do dump Akin, Steelman should be the one they go with. It counters any anti-woman narrative McCaskill and the Dems try to run with in this race.

Doughboy on August 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Todd Akin, step down now.

For the good of the party.

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM

-Pres. Blightbringer is OK with shelving babies to die on botched abortions, vote him into office…
-Joe Biden unleashes racial slandering, leave him in power and send him to timeout on his palatial estate for a weekend…

Sincerely,
The MSM Crickets

hillsoftx on August 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Not enough people vote in primaries, that is why we end up with these idiots who spend most of their time and energy focused on social issues…or skinny dipping. Both of these idiots should go.

bopbottle on August 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Palin was right and Huckabee was wrong, again

KBird on August 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM

There is one legitimate answer to abortion questions:

“The Supreme Court has determined that women have a constitutional right to abortion. I am opposed to abortion. Somewhere between those two realities is where the majority of the country lives.”

platypus on August 20, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Not all accusations of rape are actual instances of rape; hence “legitimate”.

Congratulations for playing by the political-left’s rules. It’s a sure way to win. Meanwhile, Democrats get to say all sorts of crazy things and get re-elected.

eforhan on August 20, 2012 at 9:02 AM

“Call out the circular firing squad! A Republican said something unclear!”

Akzed on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Do you guys need a couple more towels to throw in? Sale on them at WalMart.

Come on, the Donks get away with saying stupid crap all the time. If this man is going to be a better Senator for Conservatives than Claire, then get over it and support him.

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

For the good of the party.

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM

For the good of the nation. We MUST have this seat.

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Whoopi Goldberg is unavailable to comment on “rape” rape this time.

SouthernGent on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

He needs to go NOW. For a guy to even have thoughts like this rattling around in his head means he’s not capable of making good decision. He needs to be gone TODAY. We need to police our own.

hoosiermama on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Second, what in Akin’s mind constitutes legitimate rape? Was he trying to distinguish between forcible rape and statutory rape?

Seems like he is trying to express skepticism about rape claims. Totally inappropriate here.

This guy has to go. He’s not ready for primetime. We have another kooky Sharron Angle type.

Akin needs to take one for the team and remember that control of the senate has huge implications for the whole country. We can’t afford to throw away what should be an easy win in MO.

bluegill on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 8:59 AM

That number is exaggerated. It’s about 60%, which is still bad.

Also, if he is replaced it should be with Brunner. Better to have an individual with the better campaign organization and ability to self-fund than Steelman who always had trouble raising money despite statewide name recognition and a late Sarah Palin endorsement. Republicans always make the mistake of choosing replacement candidates based on ID politics. Never works well. Ask Jane Corwin.

Gingotts on August 20, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Come on, the Donks get away with saying stupid crap all the time. If this man is going to be a better Senator for Conservatives than Claire, then get over it and support him.

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

This is the third gaffe that Akin has made in a week. He must go.

He is destroying an easy pick up.

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 9:04 AM

The interesting thing is this was the Tea Party pick. I thought the TP was fiscally-centric.

How did we end up with Pat Robertson type weirdo?

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Um no. The tea party was split between Brunner and Steelman.

the_nile on August 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Well the thing about a woman’s body shutting down nonsense is stupid.
But there are a lot of stupid people out there saying dumber things than that & one is the POTUS.
But the rest of it I find a nonissue.
IDK who this guy is since I don’t live there.
I personally, as a rape victim myself, do not approve of aborting a child from rape.
But I wouldn’t force a woman to have it.
And there are women out there who lie about rape. I’ve known of a few.
I think a lot of people would probably be surprised as to how many women lie about rape.
My rape could have been avoided bcs I was STUPID & put myself in a situation where it happened. And I take my full responsibility for that.
How many women do we know who were in the moment & before it happens suddenly decided No?
The man should stop but you know, biology can be quite powerful.
So we women need to take responsibility for those situations.
So IDK what this guy was thinking when he talked of legitimate & illegitimate rape, but it’s what I was thinking: women putting themselves in situations where they shouldn’t have been.
And no, I’m not saying they deserve it.
But really there are far too many women these days crying rape from what I’ve seen that deflect any responsibility from their slu!!y actions & behavior by doing so.

Badger40 on August 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM

So what happenes if he withdraws?

Another primary or the second place finisher gets the nod?

gumbyandpokey on August 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Missouri law provides that the party (in this case, Republican) has a nominating committee fill the vacancy (Section 115.363 subsection 3.3).

Steve Eggleston on August 20, 2012 at 9:06 AM

The interesting thing is this was the Tea Party pick. I thought the TP was fiscally-centric.

How did we end up with Pat Robertson type weirdo?

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM
He was not the Tea party choice, it was a three way race where the Tea party and Palin backed a candidate, Rove and the establishment backed another, Aikin. IN the division just enough value voters put Akin in front with about 34% of the primary votes.

rob verdi on August 20, 2012 at 9:06 AM

So this is the guy who won the 3 way race with the other
2 being Bruner and Steeleman?

Me thinks Missouri voters chose wrong.

BTW, wasn’t this guy endorsed by Huckabee??

imagine for one second if Palin has endorsed this guy.

ToddPA on August 20, 2012 at 9:06 AM

The interesting thing is this was the Tea Party pick. I thought the TP was fiscally-centric.

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM

He was NOT the Tea Party pick. Stop spreading lies.

Fallon on August 20, 2012 at 9:06 AM

The Democrats have a Senator, right now, who is a known liar in reference to his service in Viet Nam. Do they care about their guys “misquoting”?

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

First, pregnancy from rape isn’t all that uncommon, as Twitchy discovered with just a little research; it’s around 5%.

5%? So then, it actually is pretty uncommon statistically, isn’t it?

A man in a mask breaking into an apartment and raping woman.

Non-legitimate rape: “oh, come on, did you see how she was dressed? And that dinner wasn’t cheap!”

Tom_Shipley

Woman goes out to a bar while her impotent husband is away for the weekend pulling National Guard Duty, and gets some one night stand action. 4 weeks later, she discovers she’s pregnant, and claims it happened when she was raped. Legitimate rape or non-legitimate rape?

xblade on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Can Republicans replace Akin, if they so choose? Apparently they can — but the deadline is tomorrow.
Does it mean they can remove him without his approval? If so then he would be removed…

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 9:00 AM

OK, I read the Missouri law linked by Ed and it seems that the Republican Party cannot remove him without his approval… However if they cannot remove him they need to disown him and sponsor one of the people who lost to him in the primaries to run as an independent…

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Chuck Todd’s second deadline is actually part 2 of the statute Ed linked to above. If Akin agrees to pay the cost of reprinting the ballots, he can petition a circuit judge in the county he lives in to have his name removed from the ballot.

One slght problem – the Secretary of State, Robin Carnahan, can (and since she’s a ‘Rat, probably will) object.

Steve Eggleston on August 20, 2012 at 8:56 AM

The statute says “except for good cause shown by the election authority in opposition thereto”. So I guess the courts would have to decide whether Carnahan’s objection was “for good cause”.

Jon0815 on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

But really there are far too many women these days crying rape from what I’ve seen that deflect any responsibility from their slu!!y actions & behavior by doing so.

Badger40 on August 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM

We all know there is a double standard for GOP candidates. But we aren’t going to fix that between now and November 6.

Akin must go.

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

The Huckabee preacher types strike again!

There is nothing more creepy than an old man professing his moral authority relative to a raped woman.

Palin wanted Steelman. Right again.

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 8:47 AM

I don’t believe Huckabee would ever stoop to Akin’s level.

I agree with you that guys like Akin…he ain’t alone in his thinking for sure…who profess moral authority over anyone else, and using such authority belief as a foundation of their views on secular laws are dangerous. Not to mention, they make good *facepalm* fodder.

These radical fundamentalists (note, I said “radical” and not “mainstream”), just like radical Islamists, keep trying to mix secular law with religious belief (their beliefs, of course) as if trying to mix oil and water. Eventually they will both go their separate ways, but leave a mess in their wake. Radical Islam and Fundamentalists both profess moral authority over everyone…even sounding like liberals in government with all the “we know what’s best for you” nonsense.

I’ve said this before, but for anyone to tell a woman who has been raped, resulting in pregnancy, that they have to carry that child to term and give birth…is the very definition of cruel punishment on a victim that didn’t have anything to do with getting pregnant in the first place. It was forced. I say that as a Catholic and an ardent pro-lifer. It’s a matter of weighing two evils, abortion and forcing a woman to carry her rapists child and give birth, and choosing the lesser evil of the two.

I’m really hoping and praying that this kind of stuff…using religious faith to build a political system around… will ebb on it’s own, sooner the better. Again, the radical Muslims are guilty of the same kind of thing. When we lose our compassion, and religious freedom per the Constitution, the nation and the entire world would surely suffer for it.

JetBoy on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

For the 93% of us who are horrified by the fact that this guy could ever state what he did…. a question. How on earth do candidates like this ever get the nomination? No Republicans in the state were better? Geesh….

pbundy on August 20, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Do you guys need a couple more towels to throw in? Sale on them at WalMart.

Come on, the Donks get away with saying stupid crap all the time. If this man is going to be a better Senator for Conservatives than Claire, then get over it and support him.

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I could care less about the Democrats or the politics, this guy is a fool.

rob verdi on August 20, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Does it mean they can remove him without his approval? If so then he would be removed…

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Nope. Akin has to agree to be removed.

There are three people rejoicing over Akin’s comments – Reid, McCaskill and McConnell.

Steve Eggleston on August 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM

First, pregnancy from rape isn’t all that uncommon, as Twitchy discovered with just a little research; it’s around 5%.
5%? So then, it actually is pretty uncommon statistically, isn’t it?

A man in a mask breaking into an apartment and raping woman.

Non-legitimate rape: “oh, come on, did you see how she was dressed? And that dinner wasn’t cheap!”

Tom_Shipley
Woman goes out to a bar while her impotent husband is away for the weekend pulling National Guard Duty, and gets some one night stand action. 4 weeks later, she discovers she’s pregnant, and claims it happened when she was raped. Legitimate rape or non-legitimate rape?

xblade on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Stop arguing like an idiot… Politically, what he said is going to make us lose the most assured Senate seat pickup….

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Illegitimate rape. Also known as a false accusation.

Akzed on August 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Palin was right and Huckabee was wrong, again

KBird on August 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM

+1

bofh on August 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Missouri law provides that the party (in this case, Republican) has a nominating committee fill the vacancy (Section 115.363 subsection 3.3).

Steve Eggleston on August 20, 2012 at 9:06 AM

The real question is what if he refuses to drop out? Can the party replace him anyway? Do they have a convention that officially nominates the candidate via delegates? If so, technically they’re allowed to change their mind and go with someone else, right?

Doughboy on August 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM

For the 93% of us who are horrified by the fact that this guy could ever state what he did…. a question. How on earth do candidates like this ever get the nomination? No Republicans in the state were better? Geesh….

pbundy on August 20, 2012 at 9:08 AM

McCaskill’s allies spent big $$$ tarring Akin’s competition while playing him up as the True Conservative second-coming of Reagan. It helped, he got the nod, and now he handed McCaskill another term.

Punchenko on August 20, 2012 at 9:10 AM

I think what frosts women’s cookies about this, with the term “legitimate”, is it seems to put more pressure on their state of mind to determine if there really was a rape.

Paul-Cincy on August 20, 2012 at 9:00 AM

The problem is that all claims of rape are not true. But, of course, that puts the woman “on trial.” Even if she is a lying manipulative shrew trying to get back at an ex-boyfriend, we simply cannot have that!

But the bottom line here is that this should not be a tough question for any candidate to answer because it is expected. Akin made a really stupid mistake by not sticking to one of the predictable stock answers to a stock question.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM

The statute says “except for good cause shown by the election authority in opposition thereto”. So I guess the courts would have to decide whether Carnahan’s objection was “for good cause”.

Jon0815 on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Depends on the luck of the draw in that case. If it’s a Lawgiver-In-Black (and this includes the Roberts stripe), Missouri would be stuck with Akin.

Steve Eggleston on August 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I really hate socons.
This one is so stupid he took a sure-fire win and handed the seat back to the Dems. Way to go.

DRayRaven on August 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM

This is downright silly and potentially damaging to the GOP pick.
FULLY 50% of ALL reported “rapes” are false. Yes, FALSE ALLEGATIONS.
I suspect that Todd Akin either knows that or is afraid to mention it.
Don’t believe me? Read the decades-long meta-analytical analyses. Do the research.
THIS, especially true in Missouruh (i can say that, i used to live there) is bound to inflame the usual suspects in the Leftist Kingdoms of San Louis, Springfield, K.C. and other urban and university population centers. The real people in the hinterlands know up from down.
Sadly, Akin will be pilloried. He could put THE FACTS “out there”, but what politician would dare to contradict Leftists, NOW, and the other pond scum on such a volatile issue?

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on August 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM

There seems to be a lot of questions on how this guy could win, here were the results:

U.S. Senate – GOP Primary
August 08, 2012 – 04:15PM ET
Missouri – 3424 of 3428 Precincts Reporting – 99%
Name Party Votes Vote %
Akin , Todd GOP 217,240 36%
Brunner , John GOP 180,678 30%
Steelman , Sarah GOP 176,082 29%
Beck , Jerry GOP 9,798 2%
Maldonado , Hector GOP 7,408 1%
Poole , Bob GOP 6,099 1%
Memoly , Mark GOP 3,205 1%
Lodes , Mark GOP 2,285 0%

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012-primary-results/?state=MO&eid=27409&site=KMOXAMELN

rob verdi on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

“Call out the circular firing squad! A Republican said something unclear!”

Akzed on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

There were zero votes to be mined by even engaging in this discussion, which demonstrates Akin’s incredibly poor judgement.

Anyone in MO voting on the life issue knows that Akin is pro-life and McCaskill is pro-choice. So there was no need to go there – at all.

Akin is a ticking time bomb. There will be many more gaffes.

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The Dems/LSM won’t let this go. His thinking on the subjuct is obviously not clear and this will sink him. Too bad because McCaskill really must go.

TerryW on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

“Do Women have a biological protection against rape?”

http://jezebel.com/5733755/do-women-have-a-biological-protection-against-rape

Jesse Bering (with whom we’ve tangled in the past) offers more evidence that women’s bodies naturally protect them against rape.

Research Digest: “A biological mechanism that protects women against rape?”
http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.com/2011/01/biological-defence-mechanism-against.html

Slate: “Darwin’s Rape Whistle”
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2011/01/darwins_rape_whistle.html

Given the enormity of this adaptive problem for ancestral women, it is plausible that human females would have evolved a set of counter-adaptations to protect them from being raped, and that these anti-rape adaptations would be activated, specifically, during the woman’s most fertile period, the periovulatory phase of her reproductive cycle. So with the foregoing theoretical sketch in mind, I now present to you an up-to-date list of four empirically validated “phase dependent female rape-avoidance mechanisms:”

All this outrage over some words some guy says. Meanwhile, we slaughter 1 million or more babies every year in the nation. Yep, right up until pregnancy, a mother can decide she “just doesn’t want another set of twins” and let the doctor rip them apart inside her womb and then empty her “contents’ into a trash can.

Tell me… which is really more offensive?

I know what this guy was trying to say. He just didn’t say it well. I’ve actually read this myself. That during rape, there is a mechanism doctors believe, within the woman’s body that shuts down certain functions.. sort of a “fight or flight” mode or a survival mode… which protects the woman from being pregnant. Pregnancy in rapes are very rare.

But this guy uses the wrong words and all this outrage ensues. Meanwhile, behind the curtain on stage left, the conveyer belt of death continues to carry babies by the thousands to the waiting butcher. And yet, this guy’s words are what inflames us all.

What a joke.

JellyToast on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The statute says “except for good cause shown by the election authority in opposition thereto”. So I guess the courts would have to decide whether Carnahan’s objection was “for good cause”.

Jon0815 on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Missouri State Supreme Court has 4 Dem appointees (3 Holden, 1 Nixon) and 3 GOP nominees (1 Ashcroft, 2 Blunt). Doesn’t even matter, actually. All she needs is to find one lib that would stall until it’s too late and “Akin” ballots out there past the point of no return.

Gingotts on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Come on, the Donks get away with saying stupid crap all the time.

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Shouldn’t we be better than that, though? We expect the left to hold themselves accountable for stupid or despicable comments… why don’t we do the same with our candidates.

If Sarah Palin has any guts, she would come out now with a statement calling for Akin to step aside. She has a big megaphone to conservatives. Who cares if she endorsed Steelman… this MO election is a big deal and has national implications. Is she afraid of the reaction she’ll get from some hardcore, “no apology ever!” people who care more about being stubborn (i.e., the donks get away with the same thing, so why should we apologize) than winning?

Many prominent conservatives should speak up loudly, clearly and soon.

bluegill on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The interesting thing is this was the Tea Party pick. I thought the TP was fiscally-centric.

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM

He was NOT the Tea Party pick. Stop spreading lies.

Fallon on August 20, 2012 at 9:06 AM

You are correct. My bad.

FreedomWorks supported Brunner. Tea Party Express (Palin) supported Steelman. Aikin was supported by the Christian bloc including Huckabee and Bachmann.

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 9:13 AM

The War on Women continues begins.

platypus on August 20, 2012 at 9:14 AM

There are three people rejoicing over Akin’s comments – Reid, McCaskill and McConnell.

Steve Eggleston on August 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM

You can be sure McConnell is livid, not happy.

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I’m really hoping and praying that this kind of stuff…using religious faith to build a political system around… JetBoy on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Off topic, but since you brought it up:

“The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it.” -John Marshall, in a letter to Jasper Adams, May 9, 1833, JSAC, p. 139. Marshall was Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court from 1801-1835.

“The real object of the [First] Amendment was not to countenance, much less advance, Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects.” -Joseph Story, Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court 1811-1845, founder of Harvard Law School, Commentaries on the Constitution, Vol. II, 1871 (1833).

“Christianity becomes not merely an auxiliary, but a guide, to the law of nature; establishing its conclusions, removing its doubts, and evaluating its precepts.” -Joseph Story, “The Value and Importance of Legal Studies,” a lecture delivered August 25, 1829 at his inauguration as Dane Professor of Law in Harvard University, cited in James McClellan, Joseph Story and the American Constitution (Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma, 1971), p. 66.

Akzed on August 20, 2012 at 9:14 AM

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I could care less about the Democrats or the politics, this guy is a fool.

rob verdi on August 20, 2012 at 9:08 AM

What’s the remedy then, Rob? Are we really willing to give up the seat? Does Missouri even allow a party to switch a candidate because they don’t feel he’s doing or polling well?

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:15 AM

I’m not sure this guy is any dumber than every other incumbent in the Senate.

CorporatePiggy on August 20, 2012 at 9:15 AM

You guys just have to focus on social issues, which is not a LEGITIMATE function of government.

Dante on August 20, 2012 at 8:52 AM

First, protecting the life of citizens is a perfectly legitimate function of government, even the federal government. Since the Constitution already explicitly says that no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law, and an unborn baby is clearly a human life, I don’t think any additional Constitutional authorization is required for the government to prohibit abortion. However, since our Supreme Court, in its wisdom, invented a right to abortion in the Constitution, that leaves us with…

Second, anything can become a perfectly legitimate function of the federal government if a Constitutional amendment is passed delegating that power to the federal government, which is the solution I favor at this point, given the unfortunate intrusion of the Supreme Court into this issue with their activist approach to creating “rights” mentioned nowhere in the Constitution.

Shump on August 20, 2012 at 9:15 AM

So basically the two Tea Party candidates (Brunner and Steelman) split 60% of the vote and this weirdo snuck in with 36%.

Good job!

kevinkristy on August 20, 2012 at 9:16 AM

The good news is we get Claire Mcatkiller for another term.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 9:16 AM

bluegill on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

How many times, in how many languages, does Palin’s position have to be explained to you, you idiot?

kingsjester on August 20, 2012 at 9:16 AM

The Democrats have a Senator, right now, who is a known liar in reference to his service in Viet Nam. Do they care about their guys “misquoting”?

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

I don’t think the storm is about that. Reading the commentary, it looks like it’s about this:

I’ve said this before, but for anyone to tell a woman who has been raped, resulting in pregnancy, that they have to carry that child to term and give birth…is the very definition of cruel punishment on a victim that didn’t have anything to do with getting pregnant in the first place. It was forced. I say that as a Catholic and an ardent pro-lifer. It’s a matter of weighing two evils, abortion and forcing a woman to carry her rapists child and give birth, and choosing the lesser evil of the two.

JetBoy on August 20, 2012 at 9:07 AM

It’s the view, not choosing “cases of legitimate rape” over “legitimate cases of rape” or something. And I say that as someone who disagrees with him.

Axe on August 20, 2012 at 9:16 AM

If Sarah Palin has any guts, she would come out now with a statement calling for Akin to step aside. bluegill on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

If you had any brains you wouldn’t say such a thing.

Akzed on August 20, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I think he needs to go, and the quickly. We should win this race, but we can’t with some moron who decides to opine about ‘legitimate rape’. Wtf?

changer1701 on August 20, 2012 at 9:17 AM

If Sarah Palin has any guts, she would come out now with a statement calling for Akin to step aside.

bluegill on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Who the hell cares what Palin thinks.

Go RBNY on August 20, 2012 at 9:18 AM

The Dem’s attack on Akin will pick up after Tuesday, the deadline for withdrawal. The attacks will extend the link to Ryan, and will be full blown to take the limelight from the GOP Convention. What a frack up this moron Akin is.

bayview on August 20, 2012 at 9:18 AM

You can be sure McConnell is livid, not happy.

matthew8787 on August 20, 2012 at 9:14 AM

You assume McConnell WANTS to lead. I don’t.

Steve Eggleston on August 20, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Shouldn’t we be better than that, though? We expect the left to hold themselves accountable for stupid or despicable comments… why don’t we do the same with our candidates.

If Sarah Palin has any guts, she would come out now with a statement calling for Akin to step aside. She has a big megaphone to conservatives. Who cares if she endorsed Steelman… this MO election is a big deal and has national implications. Is she afraid of the reaction she’ll get from some hardcore, “no apology ever!” people who care more about being stubborn (i.e., the donks get away with the same thing, so why should we apologize) than winning?

Many prominent conservatives should speak up loudly, clearly and soon.

bluegill on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The problem is we seem to be overplaying our hand. Unless the GOP establishment can replace Akin against his will and unless they intend to do so, there’s a pretty good chance this is our nominee and we’re stuck with him. If a bunch of prominent Republicans(not to mention the entire conservative base) come out and all but publicly endorse McCaskill for another term by throwing Akin under the bus, then we’re handing this seat to the Dems. I don’t like what he said, but let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We need this seat. That’s the #1 priority. If Akin is our only option instead of McCaskill, tough crap. Pull the lever for the dude and hold your nose for the next 6 years.

Doughboy on August 20, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Akin could claim it was just a joke. Hey, it worked for Franken.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Shouldn’t we be better than that, though?
bluegill on August 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Your party is already better. And a bad week of comments on this candidates part doesn’t make you worse unless you feel you’re worse.

Unless you act like you’re worse. Unless you concede there’s some intrinsic evil to what this man said.

hawkdriver on August 20, 2012 at 9:19 AM

His entire statement about a woman rarely getting pregnant if she was rape is stupid beyond belief. This man should step down or be removed immediately based on the STUPIDITY factor alone…

mnjg on August 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Tell it to gaff a minute Biden.

Axion on August 20, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Taking NOTHING away from the raw stupidity of what this guy was trying to say, the legitimacy of rape IS an issue. Anyone working around an emergency room often enough can tell you of cases of claimed ‘rape’ where the accuser walks out arm-in-arm with the accused.

The is NOT to minimize REAL rape. But rape IS claimed in disputes with boyfriends, or when caught in affairs. If it becomes the ONLY way that you can get an abortion, it will be claimed a LOT more.

michaelo on August 20, 2012 at 9:20 AM

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